Saturday, December 22, 2007

Disturbing Study

Thanks to whomever sent this in. Highlights:
  • The latest round of experiments in the Force Science Research Center's on-going "hit probability" study has produced preliminary findings with surprising and unnerving implications for LEOs. Among the new discoveries:

    --even "naive shooters," untrained and unpracticed with handguns, are amazingly accurate in making head shots at close range, and tend to shoot for the head instinctively;

    --shots intended for an officer's vested area often end up in unprotected vital parts of the body because of a suspect's poor gun control;

    --the speed with which an officer can be put behind the reactionary curve, even by assailants who have no expertise with firearms, is startling.
That's not the worst of it:
  • To Avery's surprise, many initial rounds, especially when the gun was brought from behind the back, tended to go to the right of the target (from the shooter's perspective). This contradicts conventional wisdom, he said, which holds that shots from a right-handed shooter often end up going to the left. If this apparent discrepancy is sustained in further testing, officers who are taught to move to their left in hopes of avoiding early rounds may, in fact, be stepping into a field of fire.
So a bunch of the training we've heard, received or experienced is completely contrary to the conventional wisdom. Go read the entire article. It might change the way you think of a gunfight.

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60 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

the bad guys are pretty good at close distance point shooting.

12/22/2007 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous mrs robinson said...

4500 posts a day??? where have they gone Mr. SCC? Where have all the posts gone to today??? Jesus loves you more than you could know.... OH OH OH

12/22/2007 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous det. shoot them dead Bruce said...

Ever investigate a police street shooting? 24 Cars shot dead, 12 Houses shot dead, 2 Trees wounded and the bad guy winged. The EPA usually has to come out to de a lead clean up and the detectives make about $6.00 in selling the expended bass to the recycling joint.

12/22/2007 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read the Dept. of Justice website.

Percentage of shots fired vs. offender hit:

Male Officers: 42%

Female Officers: 03%

Hope your partner is male.... no matter if your male or female.

12/22/2007 03:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats more disturbing is the attitude cops take when it involves their shooting expertise.Cops can't shoot! Proven fact. Chicago's Current shooting standards suck. Our departments range personel are always on the rag. You may have to spend a few dollars to buy ammo a real shocker buy ammo. So for about $30 amonth you can aleast see if your weapon works.

12/22/2007 06:36:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

4500 posts a day???

You're drunk again mrs robinson...it said 4,500 visits a day.

Here's $100. Go take one of those remedial reading courses and come back to see if you can't overcome that short bus education.

12/22/2007 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Percentage of shots fired vs. offender hit:

Male Officers: 42%

Female Officers: 03%

Hope your partner is male.... no matter if your male or female.

12/22/2007 03:27:00 AM"

Considering it's male dominated profession it stands to reason the percentage would be higher among males. 2008 & a ignoramus like you still spewing sexist venom.
Your Mother would be proud...

12/22/2007 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago Police Training is a complete joke. Have you ever watched the show "ACADEMY" about the County Sheriffs Academy in California. It made me jelous to watch the real comraderie of the instructors and how they all as a unit work to mold each Officer.

Unlike CPD who makes you moldy and useless. God help us if anything ever happends in this shithole of a city.

12/22/2007 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where the fuch did youever learn to move to the left. that is the dummest thing I've ever heard. Are you new to the job?

12/22/2007 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a horseshit department, they want me to buy my own ammo to practice and qualify. Or I can go back to my six shot revolver.

Anyone know if the army or marines force their troops to go buy their own ammo and spend their own money on decent training?

Is it any wonder there are so many knucklehead idiots who make the papers on a regular basis and cost the city millions in judgements?

What the city saves on training it pays out again ten-fold in settlements of lawsuits resulting from that lack of training.

12/22/2007 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rules of Gunfighting,

1. Have a gun. Preferably, have at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

3. Bring ammo, the right ammo, Lots of it.

4. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

5. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

6. Proximity negates skill. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)

7. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun... and a friend with a long gun.

8. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading and running.

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works every time. "All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly."

12. Have a plan. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.

13. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.

14. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect your own flank.

15.Don't drop your guard.

16. Always perform a tactical reload and then threat scan 360 degrees.

17. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them.)

18. Decide to be aggressive enough, quickly enough.

19. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

20. Be polite. Be professional. But... have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

21. Be courteous to everyone. Friendly to no one.

22. Your number one option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

23. Do not attend a gun fight with a handgun whose caliber does not start with a "4."

24. Nothing handheld is a reliable stopper.

25 Carry the same gun in the same place all the time.

12/22/2007 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened in 019 yesterday on days? 911 got a call of 2 civilian dress officers fighting, with each other, on the street.

12/22/2007 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous I want to be a Rock Star said...

As a firearms instructor I always taught to move to the right. But in addition I also went against conventional wisdom and taught to attack / charge your target, not retreat. Move right and forward.

This tactic is catching on across the country. Studies show the assailant is thrown into a state of shock and doesn't know how to react to an attacker. If you retreat there is no threat to the assailant and he has the advantage to attack / charge / chase whatever you want to call it.

In training programs this was tested and most officers were shot while seeking cover, few were shot charging their assailant.

Research this for yourselves.

Stay thirsty my friends!!!

12/22/2007 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4500 posts a day??? where have they gone Mr. SCC? Where have all the posts gone to today??? Jesus loves you more than you could know.... OH OH OH

12/22/2007 03:07:00 AM

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I am sure it is visits not posts.

12/22/2007 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cops just don't practice, they would rather use the uniform and duty availability checks to gamble away in Vegas, then on supplies or training.

12/22/2007 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Training, training, training.
Do it on your own. Harping for the dept. to increase training is futile.
Never trust that your partner, male or female, is gonna be quicker on the draw.
Or, even knows or can see that your offender is going for, or has a pistol on their person.
If you have time to shout it, they(offender) have time to shoot it.
Point being, just shoot and shoot to kill.
If you can't, then distance, cover, shielding.

12/22/2007 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Whats more disturbing is the attitude cops take when it involves their shooting expertise.Cops can't shoot! <<<

They can't fucking drive either! To whoever was driving M162076 at 10am at 103rd & Western this morning, you're a lazy jagoff. Was it really necessary to hit your Mars lights just because you missed the green turn signal you asshole? Three cars slammed on their brakes because you had to get to Dunkin Donuts. We watched you drive down Western after your fake manuever. That's the kind of bullshit that makes people ignore squads and ambulances.

12/22/2007 01:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know which range is the best to go to? Area 1,2,3,4,5? Or the academy? I tend to go out to Midwest Sporting goods in Lyons Township, but they alway give me a hrad time about my ammo and likely being CPD. They're a bunch of hillbillies anyhow. Besides shooting aint cheap.

So what range is best to go to? What range personel is better to deal with?

12/22/2007 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deputy Sheriff Vu Nguyen
Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
California
End of Watch: Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Biographical Info
Age: 37
Tour of Duty: 7 years
Badge Number: 1427

Incident Details
Cause of Death: Gunfire
Date of Incident: Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Weapon Used: Gun; Unknown type
Suspect Info: Apprehended

Deputy Sheriff Vu Nguyen was shot while chasing a suspect.

At 1400 hours, Deputy Nguyen and his partner, both assigned to gang duties, were patrolling in plain clothes when they made an unscheduled stop at a known gang house in the area of 47th Avenue and Martin Luther King Boulevard. There, they saw a man who they have never seen before. When they attempted to make contact with the man, he fled on foot and led officers on a chase through yards of nearby residences. During the foot pursuit, the suspect opened fire, striking Deputy Nguyen in the neck, killing him.

A 16-year-old suspect was later arrested and charged with the murder of Deputy Nguyen.

Deputy Nguyen served with Sacramento County Sheriff's Department for 7 years. He is survived by his wife.

Agency Contact Information
Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
711 G Street
Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: (916) 874-5021

12/22/2007 02:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police Officer Christopher Nicholson
Smithsburg Police Department
Maryland
End of Watch: Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Biographical Info
Age: 25
Tour of Duty: 1 year, 5 months
Badge Number: 592

Incident Details
Cause of Death: Gunfire
Date of Incident: Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Weapon Used: Rifle
Suspect Info: Shot and wounded

Officer Christopher Nicholson was shot and killed while responding to assist members of the Washington County Sheriff's Office at a call involving reports that a man had just murdered his girlfriend during a domestic disturbance.

The officer parked his patrol car a short distance away from the home to wait for additional units to arrive. As he waited, the suspect drove towards his patrol car and then opened fire as he pulled even to the officer's door. A rifled slug struck Officer Nicholson in the chest, penetrating his vest.

The suspect fled into a nearby cemetery, where he engaged members of the Special Response Team in a shootout. The man was wounded and taken into custody.

Officer Nicholson was flown to a local hospital where he succumbed to his wounds.

Officer Nicholson had served with the Smithsburg Police Department for just over 1 year and had previously served with the Maryland Division of Correction. He is survived by his mother and girlfriend.

Agency Contact Information
Smithsburg Police Department
21 West Water Street
Smithsburg, MD 21783

12/22/2007 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently illegal immigration CAN be stopped, if your elected officials have the spine required for it. A success story from Arizona:

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PHOENIX, Arizona (AP) -- Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.

For months, immigrants have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward the state's new employer-sanctions law, which takes effect January 1. The voter-approved legislation is an attempt to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants in Arizona, the busiest crossing point along the U.S.-Mexico border.

And by all appearances, it's starting to work.

"People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors -- they're moving back to Mexico," said Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."

Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker who lives in Camp Verde, 70 miles north of Phoenix, said he is planning to return to Mexico as soon as he ties up loose ends after living here for four years.

"I don't want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment," he said. "I'll be better in my country."

There's no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holiday visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it's happening.

Under the employer sanctions law, businesses found to have knowingly hired illegal workers will be subject to sanctions from probation to a 10-day suspension of their business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license.

Nancy-Jo Merritt, an immigration lawyer who primarily represents employers, said her clients already have started to fire workers who can't prove they are in the country legally.

"Workers are being fired, of course," she said. "Nobody wants to find out later on that they've got somebody working for them who's not here legally."

When immigrants don't have jobs, they don't stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.

Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.

"We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."

He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.

"It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."

12/22/2007 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Secretary Michael Chertoff said...

To All The First Responders Of Chicago, the police, the firefighters, the paramedics and their love ones and family:

May your holiday be merry and your New Years full of love, happiness and health.

Without each and everyone of you, many in the great City of Chicago wouldn't experience the quality of life and safety they do.

My express wishes for every first responder to remain safe and prepared.

Sincerely,

Secretary Michael Chertoff
Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security

12/22/2007 03:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it wasn't SCC saying that, it was in the study narrative, or don't you understand the italics?

geez SCC, how do you manage to read through all these short bus comments? its like a Harej convention in here.

12/22/2007 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I predict that Commander Flair WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO along with his tact and gang teams WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO will be out on the east end of 008 right near midnight on new years eve. Good luck guys this guy is a goof. Please stay safe.

12/22/2007 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Cops just don't practice, they would rather use the uniform and duty availability checks to gamble away in Vegas, then on supplies or training.

12/22/2007 09:55:00 AM"

Your wife enjoyed the trip to Bellagio, what you beefing about?

12/22/2007 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I predict that Commander Flair WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO along with his tact and gang teams WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO will be out on the east end of 008 right near midnight on new years eve. Good luck guys this guy is a goof. Please stay safe.

12/22/2007 05:03:00 PM

How did he ever escape the jefferson park tap incident! All for 1 and leo is for himself what a goof!

12/22/2007 05:43:00 PM  
Anonymous 019 ranger said...

to 9:28am

Coppers fighting? Im glad to hear someone in 019 was taking action against somebody........

12/22/2007 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Whatever Dude said...

It's shielding,distance and movement you moron. I thought that percentage would have went up because two chicks in 009 fired three rounds. Offender dead with three rounds in him. A good day to have a female partner.Then again the Department of Justice has never been in 009 because we have our shit together.

12/22/2007 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Where the fuch did youever learn to move to the left. that is the dummest thing I've ever heard. Are you new to the job?

12/22/2007 08:46:00 AM

SCC must be showing his age. Manfre at the range about 28 years ago taught to take a side step to the left, crouch and fire. That was their logic back then; the offenders first shot will go over your right shoulder. Better kill him before he takes a second shot.

12/22/2007 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maxon's in Des Plaines is a good gun range.Avoid Illinois Gun Works.

12/22/2007 06:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

after 12 years of long gang team hours , i going back to the watch to do nothing ....cant wait .....10-1 thats all im going on the rest of the bull shit can wait ...he he

12/22/2007 07:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A huge scar that in encripted upon our academy officer candidates is the time-shielding-distance garbage. The shooting event is over soo fast time is not an issue. Taking cover makes you lose sight of your target which in turn gives your assailant a chance to come around your cover and surprise you. NEVER RETREAT AROUND A CORNER ! Distance ! you want more distance?! lets say run to 25 yards and then shoot ?! Here's what the bad guy would hate--- you closing the distance hard and fast while puring lead down his throat ! Not for everyone, read: Not for the sheep, just the lions .

12/22/2007 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Have a gun. Preferably, have at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns.
_________________________________

Words to live by:

It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

Clarence Worley---True Romance
(1993)

12/22/2007 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Looks like that clown Blago is in some deep shit. Gotta love it.

12/22/2007 08:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kudos to the Fire Commish, during a news conference at the fire memorial, he not only spoke of the dangers faced and the good job the CFD does but he also mentioned the CPD..hell we can't get that from our own brass.....

12/22/2007 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
12/22/2007 08:46:00 AM
.....................................
then you haven't been to last year's
training. that is what range guys were teaching in the tactical shooting class.

12/22/2007 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous 29& a day retiree said...

to 08:25

What exactly is your point about police work being a male dominated profession?

The statistics only show the number of shots versus the number of hits by each gender.

And women fought to enter this male dominated profession saying that they are just as proficeint as men and deserve the same pay

They also demanded preference in hiring snd promotions which they got, at the expense of males.

So assuming the the statistics are accurate whats your point?

You sound like that whiny girl who wanted to go to VMI and then pouted when she was told that she would have to submit to a military style haircut

You cant have your cake and eat it too

12/22/2007 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Deputy Sheriff Vu Nguyen
Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
California
End of Watch: Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Biographical Info
Age: 37
Tour of Duty: 7 years
Badge Number: 1427

Incident Details
Cause of Death: Gunfire
Date of Incident: Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Weapon Used: Gun; Unknown type
Suspect Info: Apprehended

Deputy Sheriff Vu Nguyen was shot while chasing a suspect.

At 1400 hours, Deputy Nguyen and his partner, both assigned to gang duties, were patrolling in plain clothes when they made an unscheduled stop at a known gang house in the area of 47th Avenue and Martin Luther King Boulevard. There, they saw a man who they have never seen before. When they attempted to make contact with the man, he fled on foot and led officers on a chase through yards of nearby residences. During the foot pursuit, the suspect opened fire, striking Deputy Nguyen in the neck, killing him.

A 16-year-old suspect was later arrested and charged with the murder of Deputy Nguyen.

Deputy Nguyen served with Sacramento County Sheriff's Department for 7 years. He is survived by his wife.

Agency Contact Information
Sacramento County Sheriff's Department
711 G Street
Sacramento, CA 95814

Phone: (916) 874-5021



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My sincere condolences to the family of the officer and to his friends and fellow officers. Unfortunatly, this case proves the point what we have been saying all along. just because someone is running doesnt mean you cant shoot them. I wish that the west side reverends and citizens could read that story and realize how easy it is to shoot and kill someone while running. rest in peace brother.

12/22/2007 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but FYI, not a direct hit to this site but for anybody who wants to know who can't recall the website address to SCC when on a remote portal, google Second City Asshat. One of the top three most returns will link you here.

12/22/2007 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oppos...sorry too much eggnog...a google of SCC gets you there too.

12/22/2007 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Kudos to the Fire Commish, during a news conference at the fire memorial, he not only spoke of the dangers faced and the good job the CFD does but he also mentioned the CPD..hell we can't get that from our own brass.....

12/22/2007 09:39:00 PM

aT LEAST HE IS A TRUE LEADER OUR IDIOTS CANNOT EVEN SPEAK UP FOR US! Gode Bless Orozco got anyone to speak for police?

12/22/2007 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A huge scar that in encripted upon our academy officer candidates is the time-shielding-distance garbage.

Lay off the whiskey, Thats what is taught in the radiation and hazmat class. The time is for minimizing exposure. I have been through several academies and although ours needs some time management changes, the material isn't out of line. If yo uthink there is a weakness, tell me/us what you think is the solution. Hows that for a thread SCC? Problems with...and a legitimate solution.

12/23/2007 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous DB Unit 051 said...

Re:
Considering it's male dominated profession it stands to reason the percentage would be higher among males. 2008 & a ignoramus like you still spewing sexist venom.
Your Mother would be proud...

12/22/2007 08:25:00 AM

_________________________________

Hey asswipe. I love when a person can't defend a stat then resorts to the old race or sex card!

That post could of been by a female as well as a male. Maybe a female saw that stat and posted in the hopes that females can raise the percentage of their shots.

Your the typical asshole who believes if you hide a problem it doesn't exist.

Well you must be some insecure male with your small tiny manhood to post such a posting, SEE ASSWIPE that doesn't make sense for me to say that because it has nothing to do with the point being expressed. Maybe next time address the problem or stat being discuss instead of using the bullshit you used.

Sorry if the female partner your working with may have gotten offended by the post and now won't date you, but I feel that the real reason is that your an ASSWIPE and ASSHAT!

12/23/2007 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Your the typical asshole who believes if you hide a problem it doesn't exist."

Thanks for validating my point. You rose to the occasion & came through with shining colors.
Heres a stat your can wrap around your Alcohol soaked pea brain around.
98% of lying thieving Police Officers who are engaged in criminal behavior are Male. Handhardt, Miedzianowski,Harmon for example.

You should hope for a female partner to keep you ass from getting indicted which is more probable than you being shot.

12/23/2007 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And women fought to enter this male dominated profession saying that they are just as proficeint as men and deserve the same pay

They also demanded preference in hiring snd promotions which they got, at the expense of males.

You sexist ass. I'm a female been on this job for 25 years I can tell you juice is juice the birth right doesn't care. Insofar as this job I have been in patrol all those years in a fast dist never had an inside job, yet I see numerous males with no time on, or who did not pay their dues sitting inside scared of the street. and yes I have worked with many of them cowards male and female,I'm leaving in a couple of months can't wait to leave cowards such as you along with this clout heavy (no police dept) who will fuck over you male or female. Don't paint all officers with the same brush you moron.

12/23/2007 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry if the female partner your working with may have gotten offended by the post and now won't date you, but I feel that the real reason is that your an ASSWIPE and ASSHAT!


Have another cocktail. Well boys and girls this guy is the new police and I feel sorry for the rest of the real police officers that would have to work with someone like this. I have been retired a couple of months yet I must say I did see it coming. Stay away from this goof and have a safe day.

12/23/2007 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason the bad guys get lucky is that they don't ever think, not for one moment, or care, about hitting unintended objects.

They shoot purely on instinct, that instinct being fear of what they're shooting at.

The good guys have to think about not hitting anything other than their intended target, for many reasons, both moral and legal, thus, cannot shoot with the same total abandonment of all else but fear.

When time slows down, every thought takes time and multiple thoughts add up.

Bad guys don't have multiple thoughts, just one, kill whatever they fear.

It's a handicap, having morals, giving a shit about doing the right thing and not doing the wrong thing.

In the long run, if the good guys can avoid being caught off guard, their ability to think will carry the day.

12/23/2007 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Asshat Phase 2 said...

asshat



A close cousin of the Ass-clown, typically identified by a jovial expression and an outward misunderstanding of how he/she is perceived, combined with a generally misguided conception of what is sociably acceptable amongst his/her fellow peers. asswipe



An idiot or seemingly stupid individual. or someone who is just being an asshole.

12/23/2007 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You want to talk about leadership, try this one on. A few months ago Orzoco (the Fire Chief) invited all the spouses of fireman over to his office for a little luncheon in honor of those who are serving overseas. Can you imagine the brass on our side doing that? Not in a million years. And here's the kicker. One of the females who works in our district is married to a Marine who was in Iraq at the time. Our W/C made her take time on the day of the luncheon so that she could attend!

12/23/2007 04:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Junk Science

12/23/2007 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the PO that wants to know which range to go to, this is a no brainer, Area3,days,talk to John!

He's the best, a true gentleman.

If you want training, Spartan Tactical Training group.

If you have a technical question, Ted, Area 3 afternoons.

There are several excellent range guys who aren't on the range staff anymore, but really know their shit; N P 024 , J P 009 , M K 016 , K J 020, M S 020, T P 630

12/23/2007 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

remember the girl in 024 who stole the DOA's credit card and was buying furniture for herself??

12/23/2007 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a retired Marine and now a Chicago Police Officer. I've been all over the world and have seen a few things in my time. IMHO Mike Keefe is one of the BEST range officers I've ever seen and that includes the ones I saw in the Corp. Why they dumped this guy is beyond me. I'd like to find out who the genuis is and tar and feather him/her. What a waste of talent and knowlege. But I guess thats typical for the CPD. Find a guy who has a talent or specialty and put him in a place where he can't use it.

12/23/2007 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12/22/07 0925am:

USMC Rules for Gunfighting: very common sense and have valid application to l.e.o's who place primary importance on survival and being alive to be judged by 12 even though the mayor, alderwhores, the bowel rag liberal press & media and their agents along with the self congratulating so called reverends would rather howl and rejoice when an officer is carried by six... especially that rat fat hypocrite the mayor... you bastards mumble about "brave sacrifice and eternal gratitude" and wipe false tears for bright lights... get it straight, police officers lives are VIOLENTLY TAKEN... so go choke on your gratitude.

Brothers & Sisters, be careful this Holiday season, study and live by these rules for gunfighting and be particularly mindful of rules #12, #17, #20 and #21

12/23/2007 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't know much about Orozco, but he would've gotten my vote for Sup..(bout as qualified as the FBI guy anyway)

12/23/2007 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike quit pretending your a retired marine.

12/24/2007 05:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coppers without clout get dumped.

12/24/2007 05:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They don't want us to shoot! They don't want us to work! So I listen the 1st and 16th, back other coppers up and help their families anything else is optional! The citizenry has been bullshitted by the liars in the press and this the police force you get simple as that!

12/24/2007 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Mike Keefe, firearms specialist said...

Thank you for the nice comments. I do pride myself in the education of firearms as well as the most up to date information about their usage. Merry Christmas.

12/24/2007 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Male or female is irrelevant. The writer is simply a moron. The statistic means that 42% of the shots fired by males hit the offender, and 3% of those fired by females hit the offender. Thus, males are more accurate shooters. The sample size is irrelevant. For goodness sake, take a math class.

12/24/2007 06:30:00 PM  

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