Not Really Accountability
From the Comments (can anyone confirm?):
- Intresting word from the LT'S class in the academy . ADS kirby, and other came in and really shook things up. It looks as if the recent audits of search warrants will result in CR#s being filed on all members on the warrant including LT. Any officer who has three court absences in a period will be investigated as rogue, even if the absesces are excused. The rational is that the officer must be avoiding the court case. Any officer who recovers 12 guns or more in a period without at least 4 search warrants being executed, will be investigated, because statastics show 4 warrants must be executed to get 12 guns. If you make an arrest, but the offender agrees to show you places of intrest before you bring him into the station, this is considered kidnapping because your holding the person against thier will. Any officers who get an offender to turn in a weapon is guilty of cooersion, and will be investigated, and last but not least, an IAD LT stated that they will continue to investigate CR#'S regardless if a sworn affidavit was obtained or not
Kirby doesn't have much room to stand in judgment seeing as how her people missed a number of large scandals for years and signed off on a huge number of investigations that abetted the cover up. And the statistical bean counting shows a propensity to rush to judgment based on a computer reading rather than, oh we don't know, an actual INVESTIGATION maybe?
The last sentence seems like a contract violation (and a violation of State Law) of rather large proportions and anyone with knowledge of there being investigations of themselves or other officers without a sworn affidavit should bring evidence of such to the FOP for action (the exception being investigations criminal in nature derived from evidence collected by IAD which do not require an affidavit).
The last sentence seems like a contract violation (and a violation of State Law) of rather large proportions and anyone with knowledge of there being investigations of themselves or other officers without a sworn affidavit should bring evidence of such to the FOP for action (the exception being investigations criminal in nature derived from evidence collected by IAD which do not require an affidavit).
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
111 Comments:
12 guns in a month hugh? This City will be lucky if I recover 12 guns in the next 8 years. 50 years old with 26 years is enough for me. The more work you do the more they they mess with you. How many times do you have to get hit in the head with a brick before you learn.
If this is true, all I can say is WOW. They must REALLY not want any work out of any officer anywhere in the city.
If you're still proactive, you need to get your head examined.
Wasn't she the leader of IAD during the SOS scandals....oh now she is taking this all seriously...how many more of her drinking buddies is she going to put in IAD without any investigative experience????
Party on Debbie....you are not fooling anyone!
When the whole world was watching all of our scandals in the last few years, dont you think they were asking "Who is in charge of their IAD"....and "that person should have fired for falling asleep at the wheel!"
IAD is at fault for letting all this shit go on for so long.
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now I can get the TOP GUN ribbon/award for most guns recovered in one period and also be investigated by IAD at the same time.
If anybody that is not a CPD officer is reading this please send help......some strange force has taken over the CPD and are plotting to burn the city down........SOS this is not a joke!!!!!
To you REAL police: GET A CLUE!!! This job is a joke! It is a paycheck! My father (who was a lowly patrolman) once told me "its a paycheck son". And about 7 years ago I got all bent out of shape at that comment. Today, we toast to it. I work in 019... Did the ghetto stint, housing, TRU for a while and then saw the light! GET OUT! Atleast make the city work for you! Dont put yourselves in the bullseye! Get your check, work for REAL citizens, and make this city pay for the shit they have bestowed upon us! You get what you ask for! YOU CALLED FOR THE THUNDER, CHICAGO, WELL HERE WE ARE! AN UNPOLICED CITY! LET IT HAPPEN! Put that on a tee shirt! YOU CALLED FOR THE THUNDER! HERE WE ARE! and show suchokis face on the back! fuck this... 1st and 16th baby!
If you make an arrest, but the offender agrees to show you places of intrest before you bring him into the station, this is considered kidnapping because your holding the person against thier will. ......
What the #&*% is that, 99% of all arrests are the person being held against their will. The exception being they turn themselves in.
SCC,
Either you are pointing it out or you are asleep:
The last sentence seems like a contract violation (and a violation of State Law) of rather large proportions and anyone with knowledge of there being investigations of themselves or other officers without a sworn affidavit should bring evidence of such to the FOP for action (the exception being investigations criminal in nature derived from evidence collected by IAD which do not require an affidavit).
(the exception being investigations criminal in nature derived from evidence collected by IAD which do not require an affidavit).
Anything in the "GRAY AREA" can be construed as criminal.
IE. PO Smith detained me without reasonable cause for a "Ticket Like Card" Contact Card,for those not familiar with our illustrious police spokeswoman,Monique Bond. Depending upon the "Made Up" circumstances of the beef. IE. Length of time,handcuffed,in the back of a cage car,restricted movement,unfree to leave,etc.
IE. Officer Jones punched me while arresting me for no reason. Battery
IE. Officer Martinez threatened to lock me up with drugs if I keep standing on the corner by my house at Hamlin and Lawndale.
Official Misconduct,etc.
IE. Officer Flaherty squeezed my genitals while frisking me and asked me how do you like that.
Sexual Abuse
IE. Officer Rubinsky gave me a ticket for speeding on LSD and insinuated that a policeman can ge treal hungry at lunchtime.
Bribery
IE. Officer Oslowski just falsely arrested me for walking down the street minding my own business and charged me with reckless conduct.
Official Misconduct
Read the writing on the wall people.
Wakeup,FOP is and will NOT (CAN NOT) do shit to stop this WITCH HUNT. This campaign will destroy and has destroyed many officers lives,families,careers and sanity. You can bet that if you look closely enough you will see what I am conveying...
BEWARE!!!!!
yes, do this, then many officers should be fired. Unless they bring in seat belt violaters, EL checks and curfews instead of being the police.
Weapon turn in, is now a problem?
Fuck this, let crime double triple, they want cash cow cops, not the police, thanks everyone for hating the police, hope they rob you with a gun and then get a CR on great cops and they get fired. While lazy do nothing one TVB a night and a paper job while they cruise to retirement, thanks folks at 35th for making this the best job in the world to the worst in 10 years.
Well I am oficially done being the working police.
I wish they knew how many working PO's they have driven to lay down.
What about cmdr. LS? they going to make him a sgt after they look at all the area 4 bs?
Sorry but I was there in class, NOT TRUE. Some of the conduct mentioned by officers might warrant a second look by supervision, but not a full blown IAD investigation.
Once again, any Police Officer that goes and does any Police work will be cast in a suspicion of light and judged guilty until proven innocent!
Debra Kirby does NOT know a fucking thing about police work but must have read this garbage out of a book about corrupt cops 101 at Depaul University.
Again the best thing for all Police Officers to do is NOTHING!
Let the offenders run rampampt! Remember folks we don't have to live in these shit neighborhoods where all of the crime and drugs are!
We are already presumed "guilty until proven innocent" by IAD, IPR, storefront Reverends, Jesse Jackson, and loud mouth thief Al Sharpton!
So why do any proactive Police work?
I sleep real good knowing that the 1st and 16th will always come around and drop off my gift just for showing up!
Panic and fear have set in at the exempt rank level!
Common sense has disappeared!
Where the hell is the FOP and the other unions?
12.5 million awarded in another lawsuit. If IAD and OPS had done their work properly it might not of happened.
Then Cline gets involved and diminishes the punishment recommended and meritoriously promotes the fellow. No wonder the public wonders what the hell is going on.
Maybe the Feds should put the Department into receivership!
Hey MEDIA investigate Kirby!!!
No more work!! Let these bosses then account for all the crime. They are in charge. U remember she was the IAD LEADER during the SOS scandal.The pot calling the kettle!!!The next rule is is that if you have over 2 awards your a sux ass.
this job is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most IAD investigations are based on annonymous tips.
ring ring....
ring ring....
RAT A -"IAD, Ofc. Lugnuts"
RAT B -"Hi, I want to file a complaint"
RAT A -"For what"
RAT B -"I know a cop who sells drugs"
RAT A -"OK, what's his name"?
RAT B -"Ofc. Joe Law"
RAT A - "Is there anything else he is doing"?
RAT B -" Yep, he likes to beat his wife, watch little boys pee, shoot innocent people, steal, help terrorists, plant drugs on people, smoke crack, and oh yea... he once shopped on duty with the city
vehicle"
RAT A -"Do you want to give your name"?
RAT B -"No"
RAT A -"Fine, goodbye"
RAT B - click, "ha ha ha"
RAT A - (in their secret location on Monroe) " Boys, listen up...we got a live one. Ofc.Joe Law was seen shopping on duty using the city owned car. Let's roll. We'll need to GPS the car, track his phone, take photos, video, search the car, a wiretap, call the papers, we're gonna get this rogue cop"
How many clowns in IAD say -
"I've helped more cops than I've hurt" ? ? ?
Hurt?
HURT?
If you ever hurt a cop you should quit.
Those phony do-gooders should do a reality check.
When you make Sgt. and go to IAD, cuz the mon-fri, 9-5 is perfect for your sports team, think about the P.O. you might screw. And his/her family.
If he/she is robbing,killing people? Fine. Get them.
Cops are people, too.
Just like everyone else.
Knock the other goofy shit off.
It goes on all day every day.
Goofy BS cases.
Who keeps tabs on IAD?
Another bullshit scare tactic at worst...at best just another SCC rumor. Don't get all your panties in a bunch. You are still the police.
the best way to get in trouble is to do proactive police work......the easyist way to lose this job is to do this job.
squad, give me an event number for the first and the sixteenth !
Great job debbie have another drink! When the new boss takes over your "gone" retire join AA! WTF! You fucked-up years ago, don't try to change the rules now baby! I do no work and now will do even less! Thanks for really making a bad dept worse! To all the college kids another reason us "old timers" tell you to leave and get on a real dept!
Criminals go nuts. The city hates the police and love when you rob, rape and steal.
Here is a question for you armchair lawyers.
Say I get called in for an interview regarding a beef, and I bring in my FOP appointed attorney. According to state LAW, the beef that is being investigated is REQUIRED to have a sworn/signed affadavit from the supposed victim. Are they required to show me or my rep a copy of the affadavit? Am I required to file a freedom of information request and will that cover it?
Now, lets say that the "investigator" assigned says that there is no sworn affadavit, that the complaintant is anonymous. Do I have any right to arrest the "investigator", as I am a PO, who is on duty and who has just observed a crime? If not can I file a civil suit against the department, and if so, What would I allege?
The story is untrue. It would be so nice to have a police department where supervisors actually knew what each department actually does and not just put there becuase of their race or gender. I really am beginning to wonder if we will be allowed to carry guns in the future.
I think it's hilarious to see the same people bitching about IAD letting scandals happen are the same people bitching about and not cooperating with IAD during ANY investigations.
Can't have it both ways. At some point, you start to sound like the fake revs, crying about how high crime is, but also crying about anything done to clean it up.
And while I wasn't in that LT class and I couldn't testify to anything said there, I would bet a pay check that an IAD LT did not say to investigate things without an affidavit. There is a bypass protocol in place when there is enough evidence on the face of the complaint ( like existing video ) to warrant continuing the investigation without a complainant. That doesn't mean if your neighbor says you called him a dick, then refuses to cooperate that they are still going to bypass an affidavit.
I've never seen such IAD induced paranoia in my 21 years on this job. The problem with it is that it doesn't stop the real criminals on this job ( and we can all agree that there a FEW ), it only stops the workers because they are afraid they'll get lumped in with the criminals.
Round and round we go...
IAD should investigate themselves, for putting the case on workink PO's, falsifying documents and questionable investigations!
So far, nobody here has confirmed it.
So . . . Like if you are a dog and don't really bust your ass you will not get a CR number, STILL get a paycheck and retire with a full pension after 29 years and a day?
No problem.
I think I know what to do
Would this be same Debbie Kirby that was a Domestic Violence Sgt., never worked the street, hid away downtown in an office, has no idea what handcuffs are for, whose Mommy was a miserable PO on the job, and now thinks that she has ARRIVED! Let The Rude Awakening Begin!!!
MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD ASK KIRBY....
1. How she "ADMINISTRATIVELY UNFOUNDED" ALL CR investigations originated and connected to a certain SON of a HIGHEST RANKING Exempt in NAGIS EVERY TIME a CR# was generated... Yes THIS IS FACT!!!!!
Suckers! If you do any work now IAD is going after you. Unbelieveable!!!
I could give a shit about accountability, us in TRU are going to do what we do best! Locking up fools for whatever we can.
I can't wait for New Years, TRU is going to be in full effect. Wolfpack missions, gun arrests, all of you bad guys in Area 2, 1 and 4 get ready for us cause here we come! I love this job and I love Targeted Response Unit! This is the best night of the year for the working P.O.
Hahahahahah. So will you "working police" wake up and realize that the city doesnt want you! I will continue to do nothing and feel great about it. I read the paper, surf the web, watch TV and listen to the radio and its all done on company time. I wont even respond to a call if the caller is anonymous. So dog it up cause I wont lift a finger to do any work on this job again. I check off with 2 event numbers, and 20 minutes of foot patrol. There isnt a thing anyone can do to me. Woof Woof Woof
"12.5 million awarded in another lawsuit. If IAD and OPS had done their work properly it might not of happened.
Then Cline gets involved and diminishes the punishment recommended and meritoriously promotes the fellow. No wonder the public wonders what the hell is going on.
Maybe the Feds should put the Department into receivership!"
Exactly. And it wasn't until they got the CTA videotape that the truth came out. Before that, the officer, Cline, and the City all backed the phony version of the incident in the report.
With the Abbate incident, it wasn't until the Commander put the squeeze on the media at the courthouse that Cline got fired.
Like every other organization, the CPD has problems. That doesn't surprise anyone, and shouldn't. Nobody holds that against you, at least not anyone with a brain, and without some other agenda.
But the refusal to admit that some police officers do screw up, or do bad things or, worse, covering up things like that, casts doubt on everything every police officer says.
Most of us want to believe the police. Most of the time, we can. But, when we see, time and time again, good officers covering for the bad ones, we have to wonder.
It wouldn't have been a $12 million verdict if the officer had just told the truth, if IAD and OPS had done their jobs, if Cline hadn't stuck up for the officer. The guy that officer killed didn't have $12 million wortht of life in him. But, as it was with Nixon, it aint the crime that gets you -- it's the cover-up.
As a citizen, I genuinely worry about how many bad guys are going to get off now because nobody wants to believe the police. And I genuinely worry about how many good police officers are going to get screwed because nobody wants to believe them.
I still believe, mostly, because it is, mostly, the truth. But you can't blame people for wondering when stuff like this goes down.
I am in one of the teams whose search warrants were audited. Twice now in the last 6 months. There have been NO Cr#'s on anyone generated as a result of the audit, and only suggestions made as how to better document the search warrant process to ensure compliance with the new order. That's it. No witch hunt, just an audit conducted in a reasonable fashion. Sorry to disappoint...
No more work outta me.Gonna be a Dog-ass now.That is the unspoken message that the CPD exempts and the politicians are putting out.I have recovered 30-35 guns from traffic stops and street stops.I have over 200 arrests in 2 years.I do not work in a specialized unit.I work in the patrol division.Only parkers and contact cards from now on.Fuck them!
I would hope that the Feds indict Cline and the puppets he had working in IAD, which include Karen Rowan and Debi Kirby. They have really messed up the disciplinary system.
If this nonsense is true then they can kiss my ass.Where is the room to work a criminal in this for information?Just how are we supposed to gather intelligence?Are we supposed to leave it up to the good will of a criminal who suddenly finds he has a conscience and wants to blab about an operation,thats just not going to happen.This department had better decide what kind of police they want.Maybe they have, maybe I'm wrong and they don't want us going after criminals at all.Maybe they just want good little ticket writers that generate cash and nothing more.That's not the kind of police officer I want to be and I didn't join for that but the way it's going I have to agree with the "Do nothing" crowd.I'm pretty disgusted with the whole thing.
To: 12/14/2007 07:02:00 AM
>>12.5 million awarded in another lawsuit. If IAD and OPS had done their work properly it might not of happened.
Then Cline gets involved and diminishes the punishment recommended and meritoriously promotes the fellow. No wonder the public wonders what the hell is going on.
Maybe the Feds should put the Department into receivership!<<
How could IAD or OPS prevented the lawsuit after the guy is killed? Tell us that oh smart one.
Well I know lots are saying "stop working" and no to be proactive.
All o f this doesn't scare me one bit from trying to lock up somebody. As cheesy as it sounds, i took an oath, and take pride in wearing a badge and uniform. Abide by the rules, then nothing to worry about. They can look me up and down all they want
I went to review my cr file a couple of weeks ago. Turns out I discovered that the Dept. had in my file two Log #'s. from last year. A log # is a complaint called in but with no affidavit signed. In addition the dept. is using those numbers just like Cr#'s to justify placement into the "programs". By her own admission a Sgt. who is in charge of the programs agrees that this is a violation of the contract and the G.O. I filed a grievance immediately and am waiting to hear from F.O.P. I advise all members to do the same, make an appointment with records of IAD Sgt. Muzapappa and view your file. If you have log#'s in your file, you should file a grievance.
Per our contract which can be found under appendix L paragraph 10, it states the following: No officer will be required to answer any allegation
of misconduct unless it is supported by an
appropriate affidavit, except as specified in paragraphs
one through five above. In the event that
no affidavit is received within a reasonable time,
the investigation will be terminated and no record
of the complaint or investigation will appear
on the officer’s Disciplinary History make an appointment with records of IAD Sgt. Muzapappa and view your file.
If you have log#'s in your file, you should file a grievance.
In the FOP newsletter this month this subject is also discussed. Here's what supposed to happen to those tracking/log#'s:
Tracking Number
When a citizen’s complaint
against an officer is received,
IPRA issues a tracking number.
The tracking number can
be investigated up to the point
where the officer is to be interviewed
or required to write a
report. At this time an affidavit
is required for the investigation
to go any further. If an
affidavit is not obtained the
tracking number is deleted and
the complaint goes into cyber
space. If an affidavit is obtained
then the tracking number
becomes the C.R. number.
"bring evidence of such to the FOP for action"
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For what? See thats the flaw in your logic right there
Ask Lt. O'sullivan in 001 how she is going to make things much better on this Department.
this lady is going places!!!
IAD with or without Kirby will always be what it is: If you got the clout then you can commit even murder and get away with it,if you are just the average working copper then any little thing will get you time or fired. Big question is will Jody go after this and change this bullshit or will it all remain the same?
As for search warrants for guns. I know for a fact that certain Area gun teams are producing warrants based on lies and ficticious CI's. The ASA's office knows this also but being true to their lawyer profession they have no qualms about putting people through trials based on lies, hoping the person will plea out because they can not afford to continue the fight. Now no honest copper likes thieves on the job but...I would rather tolerate a thief than a group of coppers who execute search warrants against gun owners based on lies and non existent CIs. A thief is just that but a copper who will sandbag innocent people and lie on search warrants to recover guns and get heads is a dirty rotten piece of shit who has no business being on the job. That also goes for any white shirt who condones these actions. Speaking of white shirts why is Roti always interviewed concerning these gun pinches and gun issues? You gotta ask yourself how these coppers doing these bullshit warrants live with themselves knowing their lies put people in jail. The ASA's being low life lawyers I am sure have no problem sleeping at night. How about it Kirby and IAD what are you gonna do to these gun teams????????
A little bit of what was written was eluded to in class. She never said that any of those things would start an official investigation,however. A lot of that shit is just plain bs and never mentioned by ANYONE in the Lieutenant's training.
This makes me wonder about your sources SCC and your accuracy concerning other subjects on the blog...... Yes, I was there for the aforementioned training.
Debbie Kirby might begin her investigations with any officer/s assigned to 1st watch D/unit.
She might want to investigate those officers / detectives who ignore their assigned jobs because they are too busy studying for grad school. She might want to investigate those officers / detectives who claim they need sleep to attend their day classes and only work a portion of their shifts.
Ummmm????
maybe she won't, I wonder why.
Hey Deb, did you pick up the mail yet?
Beware of the bosses who have zero tolerance...
I was in that class. I can only say that if THAT is what you heard, what you understood, then I have no doubt you are one of the people that will be a commander in no time and probably also a merit pick. A lot of liberties taken with the truth there a lot of "color" added to the story.
There was some heated debate regarding the "Rule 14" violations, but other than that, I thought that Kirby and Lt. Nailway were both pretty damn informative and up front.
12 guns in a period? Well Biggane is safe. At her current pace , she would need to be on the CPD for roughly three hundred years for her to collect twelve guns----including her own.
Don't worry about Kirby.
She has no clue about what real police work is. She'll never know what great police work is or average police work is.
She only knows what's in her imagination. Kirby's in wonderland.
Hillard spawned this "Duddley Doolette", an exempt without credentials.
Now Jody is stuck with her and her ilk, God help and protect the working police officers who still believe in protecting the oppressed.
Stay safe you honorable few.
Hey Kirby:
remember on midnites how you used to hide out in the 022nd district behind buildings reading youre law books. You are nothing but a patronage hack just like your uncle who never did a days work in his life. Big city property crimes detective never once got a job when working the first watch..
the real question: has carothers' brother finally shown up to lt school? inquiring minds want to know. i heard he wasn't there mon or tues. has he been there the rest of the week?
Anonymous said...
AWESOME
Now I can get the TOP GUN ribbon/award for most guns recovered in one period and also be investigated by IAD at the same time.
12/14/2007 12:34:00 AM
Not really, with LEGIT awards taking over two and one half years to be given to the recipient, it will be mailed to you in jail or simply canceled. Another 27 cents saved by Shit-Cough-Go - the cost of the ribbon. No more lemonaid [Kool aid in disguise?] and cookies in the general purpose room at HQ during the award ceremony - it was no longer considered economically viable...
Has anyone notified the union of this?
#1. the question was posed rather heatedly that why when a complainant refuses to sign an affidavit do we still have to attempt to identify the accused? IAD was told that if sgt's had as little info as a car# or beat# from the PCAD then we had to identify the person responsible for that car or beat as an accused. IAD said that is not the policy, and it took a few minutes for the sgt/lt to get it into the dept advocates head that the commanders and deputy chiefs, at least in area 1 and 2 are kicking back cr#s and forcing us to identify these officers. the sgt/lt simply asked them to either add a new form or change the classification from accused to "on the scene" or something to that effect. IAD said they would look into the policy and attempt to rectify the situation.
As far as continuing to investigate after a cr affadavit was refused to be signed, IAD said they still go through steps to identify the officer, as the order states, but if all they can come up with is a car# from PCAD then he would never name an officer. can u see the confusion, IAD does it as the order states and we do it as the c/o's and d/c's say, all due to this bullshit accountability that only applies to the working police officer.
so officers be assured that there are some of us in this class that are less worried or afraid as to being sent to a southside district on midnights as we are and hopefully always be looking out for the p/o. now the naysayers can say what they wish but those of us know who we are and so do the people who have worked for us in the past.
#2. Kirby did mention that if an officer comes in with say 12 weapon turn ins inside a week that would be a red flag as to how they are getting them. it was just a message to the new lt's that accountability is starting to work its way to field lt's and sgt's and they are going to be called to the carpet as to what their officers are doing. the one thing kirby didn't understand that in patrol, sgt's and p/o's are in such demand that there is no possible way to keep track of what every one is doing at any given time. IAD wasn't looking to trash coppers this time, they are just so wrapped up in the bullshit at 35th st they just forgot about the backbone of this dept. or "the red headed step children as we are referred to".
#3 tony carothers made it in wed., but he is not the first person promoted who was out of town while a promotion was announced. u know the city does the promotion on friday and expects us to be ready to change our life in 2 days.
#4 and #5 it is interesting how 2 sgts/ lt's still have their company car. maybe they just haven't had a chance to return them due to the incredible pressure they are under in class.
The last sentence seems like a contract violation (and a violation of State Law) of rather large proportions and anyone with knowledge of there being investigations of themselves or other officers without a sworn affidavit should bring evidence of such to the FOP for action (the exception being investigations criminal in nature derived from evidence collected by IAD which do not require an affidavit).
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This will be a good test for all the money grubbing civil rights lawyers! Are they for the inalienable rights for ALL, or part of a larger tax payer pilfering scandal? Will they take a law suit against the City FOR A WRONGED POLICE OFFICER, or are they really "The Enemy"??
Only time will tell....
Listen! Do you hear that?! It sounds like 13,500 (give or take alot) peace officers are slamming on their brakes and screaching to a hault.
600+ homicide/ year here we come (again)!
Anonymous said...
Here is a question for you armchair lawyers.
Say I get called in for an interview regarding a beef, and I bring in my FOP appointed attorney. According to state LAW, the beef that is being investigated is REQUIRED to have a sworn/signed affadavit from the supposed victim. Are they required to show me or my rep a copy of the affadavit? Am I required to file a freedom of information request and will that cover it?
Now, lets say that the "investigator" assigned says that there is no sworn affadavit, that the complaintant is anonymous. Do I have any right to arrest the "investigator", as I am a PO, who is on duty and who has just observed a crime? If not can I file a civil suit against the department, and if so, What would I allege?
12/14/2007 09:32:00 AM
GOOD QUESTION(S)!
It wouldn't have been a $12 million verdict if the officer had just told the truth, if IAD and OPS had done their jobs
--
WRONG!
That sh!tbag never worked a day in his life. How can anyone claim he is worth even 1 dollar??!! Nobaody knows because he never applied himself.
If I work for 30 years at +/- $70,000 a year I would only make $2.1 Million. So some dipshit jury believes this no-job-having, Link-card-swiping, SSI-getting, Section 8-living. oxygen-wasting violent moron is worth more than 5 coppers put together???????
Anonymous said...
I am in one of the teams whose search warrants were audited. Twice now in the last 6 months. There have been NO Cr#'s on anyone generated as a result of the audit, and only suggestions made as how to better document the search warrant process to ensure compliance with the new order. That's it. No witch hunt, just an audit conducted in a reasonable fashion. Sorry to disappoint...
12/14/2007 01:44:00 PM
if you speak the truth they most certainly gave you some confidential CR#s.
POD= PARTY ON DEBBIE
Kirby inherited all the scandal cases when she took over IAD in July 2004. That shit was happening way before she took over IAD. Like everything else someone got the message she was trying to convey to the new lieutenants and twisted it to start all this bull-shit. You can still go out there and be proactive and lock up the bad guys. You just have to do it right without cutting any corners.
...If an affidavit is not obtained the tracking number is deleted and
the complaint goes into cyber
space...
It NEVER goes away completely.
the real question: has carothers' brother finally shown up to lt school? inquiring minds want to know. i heard he wasn't there mon or tues. has he been there the rest of the week?
He is here now but gets a company car. Why does he get a company car? Inquiring minds want to know. CO spot in 3 months.
Hey MEDIA investigate Kirby!!!
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Good Luck, No Dirt There
if you speak the truth they most certainly gave you some confidential CR#s.
12/14/2007 10:16:00 PM
Why? Especially why "most certainly"? Our teams were picked for the audits because of our numbers of warrants, the type of team, and because of individuals who USED to be on the team. I doubt an audit which found no wrongdoing would cause a confidential to be generated. Sometimes, it just is what it is, no more no less...
"IE. Officer Martinez threatened to lock me up with drugs if I keep standing on the corner by my house at Hamlin and Lawndale.
Official Misconduct,etc."
Hamlin and Lawndale are both north/south streets, thus, do not intersect to form a corner.
Hopefully, this statement is just the result of a brain fart, not a lack of familiarity with your beat.
I AM BEING INVESTIGATED BY IAD AND WHATEVER IS SUCKS BUT DO YOUR JOB AND PROVE ME INNOCENT!!! THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY HURT ME WAS THE FACT THAT MY BEST FRIEND WORKED IN IAD IN THE CONFIDENTIAL SECTION, AND WHEN THE BEEF CAME DOWN OR I WAS UNDER THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THE INVESTIGATION HE TOLD ME DONT CALL OR COME BY THE HOUSE! AND WHEN I SAY GOOD FRIEND, I MEAN IT HE WAS LIKE A BROTHER TO ME, AND I WAS SHIT ON BY HIM. IT MADE ME ASK MYSELF? IS THIS WHAT IAD IS LOOKING FOR IN AN AGENT/INVESTIGATOR? I HOPE NOT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY THIS IS BEHIDE ME AND I WILL HIM WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE YOU CARED ABOUT SHIT ON YOU. I US ALL THE BEST OF LUCK AND ALWAYS KEEP SAFE.
THE POLICE BOARD NEVER SEES THE ENTIRE FILES OF OFFICERS ACCUSED OF SERIOUS MISCONDUCT.
THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY HURT ME WAS THE FACT THAT MY BEST FRIEND WORKED IN IAD IN THE CONFIDENTIAL SECTION, AND WHEN THE BEEF CAME DOWN OR I WAS UNDER THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THE INVESTIGATION HE TOLD ME DONT CALL OR COME BY THE HOUSE!
****This person is not a friend. But with a confidential, they are tracking you so he doesn't want to be associated with you while you're under investigation. As I said, he's not a friend, he's a puss*.
I could give a shit about accountability, us in TRU are going to do what we do best! Locking up fools for whatever we can.
I can't wait for New Years, TRU is going to be in full effect. Wolfpack missions,....
12/14/2007 12:48:00 PM
TRU doesn't do wolf pack missions
Get a life TROLL
It must be difficult to have such a meaningless existence that you find it necessary to bait some of the more weak minded readers of this site. The intelligent ones see what you are doing. Keep the morale low so that you feel less of a failure.
Once again we have a policy maker, Kirby, making decisions that govern the actions of working police officers. And therein lies the flaw of this entire department. Kirby has done about as much police work as the janitors who empty our waste baskets. Yet here she is making decisions. As Eric Cartman would say, "Bitch, get in the kitchen and make me some pie!"
Until this department promotes people who have actually been police officers the nonsense will never stop. After twenty-one years I have seen so many "clowns" wearing gold stars I sometimes think I work for Ringling Brothers. These so-called leaders within our department are embarrassing and incompetent losers. Throughout all the recent scandals not one of these spineless, gutless "leaders" has stepped up to defend the honest and decent cops who go out every day and do this impossible job with integrity. Like the true cowards they are they hid, afraid to speak up to these porkchop preachers and so-called community activists and speak the truth. The truth that the very people these reverends purport to represent are the same people who drain our society of every available resource.
The response from our "leaders" because of a few goofball cops was to paint all of us with the same brush and all of us are now subjected to scrutiny and our integrity is now questioned.
I've often heard the truth will set you free, but here in Chicago no one wants the truth unless it's self-serving.
Again - Our FOP IS USELESS
They sure do throw a good party though.
And Damn good golfers too!
Anonymous said...
the real question: has carothers' brother finally shown up to lt school? inquiring minds want to know. i heard he wasn't there mon or tues. has he been there the rest of the week?
He is here now but gets a company car. Why does he get a company car? Inquiring minds want to know. CO spot in 3 months.
12/15/2007 12:43:00 AM
He's not the only one in their class with a company car. Word is #1 has one too! Its a wonder why this city has a budget crisis.
I AM BEING INVESTIGATED BY IAD AND WHATEVER IS SUCKS BUT DO YOUR JOB AND PROVE ME INNOCENT!!! THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY HURT ME WAS THE FACT THAT MY BEST FRIEND WORKED IN IAD IN THE CONFIDENTIAL SECTION, AND WHEN THE BEEF CAME DOWN OR I WAS UNDER THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THE INVESTIGATION HE TOLD ME DONT CALL OR COME BY THE HOUSE! AND WHEN I SAY GOOD FRIEND, I MEAN IT HE WAS LIKE A BROTHER TO ME, AND I WAS SHIT ON BY HIM. IT MADE ME ASK MYSELF? IS THIS WHAT IAD IS LOOKING FOR IN AN AGENT/INVESTIGATOR? I HOPE NOT. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY THIS IS BEHIDE ME AND I WILL HIM WHAT IT FELT LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE YOU CARED ABOUT SHIT ON YOU. I US ALL THE BEST OF LUCK AND ALWAYS KEEP SAFE.
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I'd say this.
"you where never my friend" "just a shell of a person" "Fuck off, and I hope you never need anyones help in need"
Basically, he loves his status of knowing secrets.
Sorry about your friend being a rat. To know what matter he does he's always going to be a RAT.
my guess is that most posters on this site stopped working years ago. The original post for this thread is grossly innaccurate.
Anonymous said...
I am in one of the teams whose search warrants were audited. Twice now in the last 6 months. There have been NO Cr#'s on anyone generated as a result of the audit, and only suggestions made as how to better document the search warrant process to ensure compliance with the new order. That's it. No witch hunt, just an audit conducted in a reasonable fashion. Sorry to disappoint...
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Hey Dumb Ass! Havent you ever heard of Confidential CR#s?
I can sum up this dept.
Clout rules.
Working POs are being forced to stop.
Lazy officers are smart.
Criminals run the show.
I think I'll keep on working. I never worry about these things.
I am not afraid of being investigated. It's a pain in the ass, but I do my job the right way.
That means I probably miss some stuff that's out there, but it'll be there tomorrow. So, I never lose sleep over B.S. CR#'s. They will also be there tomorrow.
Chin up, lads...It's time to go to work.
kirby is a cop hated and gets off sticking it to coppers. What a witch. Naleway is a nice guy but she has turned him into a bit of a yes man even tho he knows shes a goof.
Don't believe nothing unless you read it on PAPER!! They can "scare" you any way they wish...that's why we have General Orders...If it aint in ink....it's probably bullshit or not gonna fly...stop being afraid!
"No more work outta me.Gonna be a Dog-ass now.That is the unspoken message that the CPD exempts and the politicians are putting out.I have recovered 30-35 guns from traffic stops and street stops.I have over 200 arrests in 2 years.I do not work in a specialized unit.I work in the patrol division.Only parkers and contact cards from now on.Fuck them!"
Slow down there Francis!
"....I have recovered 30-35 guns from traffic stops and street stops.I have over 200 arrests in 2 years.I do not work in a specialized unit.I work in the patrol division.Only parkers and contact cards from now on.Fuck them!"
Everyone, I'd like you to meet Joe-Joe Tough Guy.
Almost on a monthly basis, we've been hounded by our incompetent area chief that our tact/gang teams were not doing enough search warrants. WHY put you careers in jeopardy for this half-ass operation? A head a day keeps the boss away!
All this b.s. going on and people wonder why the po-lice go out for a few pops after work........."the cause of and solution to all of life's problems." homer simpson for president / governor / mayor / superintendent. this place is such a joke why not have a cartoon character run it????????
Wow, all I can say is NO Arrests.
and after the shooting, wasn't Weems merit promoted to dic? Unf#ckinbelievable!
This city, this department, SUCKS! We need new leadership...starting with that control-freak, king-pin, pin-head Daley.
Now talk about BS rumor, this is it. This never happened don’t believe it. No Boss can violate the State Law on Affidavits, if it’s unsigned can’t proceed, unless it is criminal behavior, that is the Law. Grow up and get answers before you hang up your shooting irons. Have some Kool-Aid and touch up your gel.
All of you arogant pricks should be thankful that the bosses were killing numbers down at IAD. Phil was the best boss the CPD ever had. he took care of everybody and tried to kill all this bs. Now he's gone and the ship is sinking.
All of you arogant pricks should be thankful that the bosses were killing numbers down at IAD. Phil was the best boss the CPD ever had. he took care of everybody and tried to kill all this bs. Now he's gone and the ship is sinking.
The reason the ship is sinking is because he ran it into an iceberg moron.
All Kirby had to do was receive a phone call from exempts and the complaints were not sustained or unfounded. No clout sustained!
She is definitely guilty when it comes to Finnegan, she had some cases unfounded or not sustained against him, and once he was arrested she immediately had the findings changed to sustained! Remember the lady that Finnegan struck with the unmarked car, cursed out and left the scene.....DK said UNFOUNDED until Finnegan got arrested. After his arrest it was hurry up change this change that sustain,the case......This is 100% TRUE!
"Phil was the best"_ ??
Give some more money to the Memorial Fund so he can add to his pension.
Kirby should ask teh mayor why he want to crack down on gun i think she should pass then out to her boys.
This testosterone soaked half-wit addressed a sergeants pre-service earlier this year. She talks a good one (though I've heard much better-McNulty come's to mind); however, this Cline appointee is full of shit. Just like Cline, Kirby's rules will only be applied to the rest of us and not the connected Irish. Thanks again, Powers, Finnegan and Kirby!
To 12/16/2007 01:03:00 AM
Thank you for your thoughts Chief Hanhardt. I didn't realize the prison laundry in Oxford, WI was WiFi enabled! Now get busy and fold the rest of the striped uniforms you outfit sellout.
Phil was the best boss the CPD ever had. he took care of everybody and tried to kill all this bs. Now he's gone and the ship is sinking.
12/15/2007 10:51:00 PM
He took care of clout. Only clout. P.O.'s without clout were punished. Cline started this mess and left us with a huge problem. Now he is taking money from memorial fund to subsidize his pension. Kirby followed his orders, same with other exempts. He knew the ship was sinking and left.
"Kirby should ask teh mayor why he want to crack down on gun i think she should pass then out to her boys."
Whoa!
Public school graduate or just really drunk?
Anonymous said...
and after the shooting, wasn't Weems merit promoted to dic? Unf#ckinbelievable!
12/15/2007 06:33:00 PM
Goes to show you again and again if you have clout you get away with "MURDER"! Then the idiot weems states "he thought shooting the offender was wrong", and weems gets promoted anyone else he would of been immediately fired! Another merit hack getting away! Who is his clout?
I could give a shit about accountability, us in TRU are going to do what we do best! Locking up fools for whatever we can.
I can't wait for New Years, TRU is going to be in full effect. Wolfpack missions, gun arrests, all of you bad guys in Area 2, 1 and 4 get ready for us cause here we come! I love this job and I love Targeted Response Unit! This is the best night of the year for the working P.O.
Not from TRU, quit the bs will ya, we have enough problems on this job without that shit.
"All of you arogant pricks should be thankful that the bosses were killing numbers down at IAD. Phil was the best boss the CPD ever had. he took care of everybody and tried to kill all this bs. Now he's gone and the ship is sinking.
12/15/2007 10:51:00 PM"
SIGNED,LT. JOHN GARRIDO. YOU KNOW THE AREA 5 SGT. THAT MF'D & CALLED YOU ALL JAGS FOR NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE CLINE FUND, I MEAN MEMORIAL FUND. GUESS I GOT THE LAST LAFF, NOW I CAN REALLY START STRONG ARMING.., THE BEST& THE BRIGHTEST, I'M TESTAMENT TO THAT...
The guy crying about his "friend" in IAD was a hair away from being charged with Agg Crim Sex Assault and only wasn't because the "victim" was a nut.
Enjoy civilian life, lying scumbag.
If a PO is a proactive PO, then he has nothing to worry about. Everything will be ok. Keep doing your job and keep recovering guns, drugs, etc... off the streets.
Debby is not the problem - her bosses are.
Panic? you say panic? Damn well know it pal. you shit slinging political exempt dogs are in for a rude awakening. But don't fret; you can always get a job with the county.
Common sense? Hell no! we have General Orders.
12 guns a month? don't fall for this crap. it's the bosses again looking to put your well being on the line in order to please their suck-ass bosses through the gratuitous use of statistics.
as for our unions: that's a good one! tell me another joke.
pretty sweet biggane has broken more nails than she has guns recovered.
The super cop in 002 could recover 12 guns if he stayed off the IOD.
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