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Surprise surprise surprise. The media hasn't covered this one again for obvious reasons. The Omaha mall shooting which claimed 8 innocents and the perpetrator? A "gun-free zone."
FoxNews noted that of the thousands of news articles printed, not one mentions that although the State of Nebraska allows concealed carry for its citizens, property owners are permitted to ban guns if they so choose.
Instapundit speculates that this could possibly open up private property owners to liability claims. The argument that by removing the ability for citizens to protect themselves AND failing to provide adequate security to replace the personal firearms carried by otherwise law abiding citizens bears close watching, especially in light of the case about to be heard by the US Supreme Court.
FoxNews noted that of the thousands of news articles printed, not one mentions that although the State of Nebraska allows concealed carry for its citizens, property owners are permitted to ban guns if they so choose.
Instapundit speculates that this could possibly open up private property owners to liability claims. The argument that by removing the ability for citizens to protect themselves AND failing to provide adequate security to replace the personal firearms carried by otherwise law abiding citizens bears close watching, especially in light of the case about to be heard by the US Supreme Court.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
103 Comments:
They aren't really highlighting that the volunteer 'security guard' is not much more than a civilian parishoner with a concealed handgun license.
SCC,
Nothing about the Herman verdict?
WHen this happend I overheard an officer say "what? there were no off duty cops in ther? Shit, if I were there this wouldnt have gone down... I ALWAYS carry my piece" She then lifted her shirt and showed a snub nose .38 special...
Lets say this wasnt a gun free zone and 200 people had the same .38 special...
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANY NUMBER OF .38 SPECIALS WOULD HAVE THWARTED THIS CRAZED LUNATICS PLOT BEING HE WAS ARMED WITH AN AK47???
PLEASE WITH YOUR GUN NUTTERY!!! The only thing that would have happened is the loser would have turned his DEATH DEVICE against you!
Now, lets say gun laws prohibited his father from owning the AK47 in the first place, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! He would not have had access to this assault rifle, a gun in which your people claim the 2nd amendment protects your right to have. See his father IS a law abiding citizen. He IS whos rights are being infringed by gun laws according to you gun nuts.
If federal laws were in place against this type of gun being allowed in the average household this LAW ABIDING DAD WOULD NOT BE IN THE POSITION HE IS IN NOW! He most likely would not have had an AK in his house (because he is law abiding) his GUN NUT son would not have had access, and the worst case would have been the loser walks in with a shotgun, sprays a shot or two, at which point the .38 special carried by LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY could have neutralized him.
but no, THIS BLOOD IS ON YOU, GUN NUTS! Nice try, SCC... Bottom line, gun laws save lives... If they save even 1 they are worthwhile... and it seems if they were in place, atleast they could have saved 9 shame on you gunnuts shame on you!
Where was mall security?
Posing on Santa's lap of course.
Clean up aisle 4...
NEED TO VENT-
Something to look into: Supposedly Jesse Jacksons "guy" who enjoyed his 5 minutes of fame in front of the cameras you know the guy who said that the police harassed him. Dont remember his name.
Well turns out that last week the same guy gave a Sgt from 001 a fore arm or elbow to the eye. Multiple fractures and nerve damage to his eye. May loose sight in that eye. Offender was arrested with Heroin.
Where is the media coverage now? Nobody covered this- I didnt see it anywhere. Mope-rah Dope-rah scum-times trib 2-5-7-9??? Where are you for this?
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Vent #2
Oprah & Obama!
Covert Racism to me!
He used words like "WE" "OUR" "Its our Time" in his address to a South Carolina audience. What I want to know who is "we"? Who was he refering to when he said it "our time"? Why hasnt Oprah came out behind Hillary? The audience was predominatly 1's so after watching it on several web sites who showed the same thing I was able to come to the same conclusion. That conclusion is It a black thing. OK flame away, prove me wrong. Race issues are ok if used in a self-serving way by 1's.
Matthew Murray, the shooter in the Colorado Springs church shootings, was shot and killed by an armed, female security guard, Jeanne Assam, at the church. As the gunman was carrying a couple of pistols and a rifle, one can only guess how many lives she saved that day.
People need to understand that "gun free zones" are soft targets for criminals and terrorists. Let the law abiding citizens carry concealed so they can protect themselves from lunatics like this and save other lives.
Off topic yet good news:
A panel of former federal, state and local law-enforcement officials has been named by Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon to devise a way to enable Phoenix police officers to question and detain illegal aliens and notify federal immigration officials that they did so.
The panel's creation comes in the wake of an announcement last week by Mr. Gordon that he has changed his mind concerning the city's status as a "sanctuary city," a policy that prevents officers from enforcing immigration laws.
Mr. Gordon told reporters during a press conference he could no longer support the city's 15-year-old sanctuary policy, saying that although "it was right for local law enforcement and our community" when written, circumstances are now different.
"It was written in another time — and it was based on the premise that the federal government would fulfill all its responsibilities regarding enforcement," he said. "Obviously, that has changed."
The owners of the WestWoods Mall have blood on their hands.
All it would have taken is one pistol packing citizen. How many lives could have been saved?
I don't know how liberals sleep at night.
Let's all thank former CPD and current Alderman Ed Burke for this gem!
When I saw him at a CPD funeral wearing his star across his neck, I wanted to puke.
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Aldermen push to test Chicago cops for alcohol after police shootings
Aldermen propose stricter review after shootings by cops
By Gary Washburn and Mickey Ciokajlo | Tribune staff reporters
11:20 PM CST, December 10, 2007
With a troubling backdrop of questionable shootings by Chicago police, two influential aldermen introduced a measure Monday that would require officers involved in shootings to submit to tests for alcohol.
If Ald. Edward Burke (14th) and Ald. Isaac Carothers (29th) are successful in pushing their legislation, the measure may pre-empt a similar proposal being sought by the city in contract negotiations with the Fraternal Order of Police.
Maybe the "NO GUNS" signs at the mall should have been bigger. That would have stopped him!
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14817480/detail.html
God bless her to bad they did not have a weapon in Omaha!
Off Topic:
This is scary.
Eureka, CA
The commanding officers on the scene of an HBT that ended in the offender being killed by the police after she points a flare gun at them, get indicted for involuntary manslaughter.
[url]http://www.times-standard.com/ci_7686187[/url]
The idiot loser shooter had an AK -47. If someone had the balls the try and sek cover and shoot at the retard, an Ak round will penetrate almost anything If someone did have a hand gun, like a snub, how inacurate after 25 feet are they/ You want to get that close to an a-hole with an AK. How many innocent bystanders might be accidentily shot by someone who buys a gun and never practices, like about 85% of CPD. Remember what happened in LA when the LA P.D. went up againsttwo a holes armed with assault rifles. Unless there was someone there armed with a .45 cal. or 40 cal. automatic, with some kind of military training, I don't know. Not saying I agree or disagree with your premise, but this might not be a good example to prove your theory,
Pallidin
SGT HERMAN got screwed. 20 plus years of crackhead rapes and none I repeat none rated even a review by asa unless there were extreme exigent circumstances.. What a crock. Are crackheads valuable as human beings or not ? Why is it only when a P.O. is involved they are suddenly valued as human beings ? Why is it that the City and State throw the drug addicted women to the dogs all other times. This is an outrage, either crackheads are victims or their not. What reporter has a set of balls big enough to investigate how many crackhead women are raped and then able to pursue their day in court.
CCW saves lives.
The more gun control,the higher the crime rate.
Gun control kills people.Gun ownership preserves life.
Gun's dont kill people. Chuck Norris kills people. Chuck Norris for Mayor!
Read the statements from the judge in the Sgt Herman case, talk about a police hater!!
I don't know what lawyer advised this moron of a Sgt to take a bench trial over a jury trial.
Better start filing your appeal and hope they give you some sort of protective custody downstate!!
Lets say this wasnt a gun free zone and 200 people had the same .38 special...
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANY NUMBER OF .38 SPECIALS WOULD HAVE THWARTED THIS CRAZED LUNATICS PLOT BEING HE WAS ARMED WITH AN AK47???
Um, yeah. Even one .38 would have stopped this rampage. Having an AK-47 doesn't suddenly make you invincible. This jagoff wasn't wearing armor, didn't have backup, was walking around in the open. One shot could have ended it all.
PLEASE WITH YOUR GUN NUTTERY!!! The only thing that would have happened is the loser would have turned his DEATH DEVICE against you!
And in doing so, we may have saved how many innocent lives? Let's face it, we are trained to face danger. Civilians with concealed carry are capable of facing danger. They aren't sheep led to the slaughter as you appear to be. "Death devices"? All gun are all bad we suppose. You're such a wuss.
Now, lets say gun laws prohibited his father from owning the AK47 in the first place, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED! He would not have had access to this assault rifle, a gun in which your people claim the 2nd amendment protects your right to have. See his father IS a law abiding citizen. He IS whos rights are being infringed by gun laws according to you gun nuts.
The kid stole the gun. We aren't going to sit and argue strawmen with you all day. Guns are a reality in this country and have been for over 230 years. We have this little thing called the Constitution that guarantees the right to own guns. It also protects people in the homes from unlawful seizure of those weapons. You want to play "what if..." all day, go somewhere else.
If federal laws were in place against this type of gun being allowed in the average household this LAW ABIDING DAD WOULD NOT BE IN THE POSITION HE IS IN NOW! He most likely would not have had an AK in his house (because he is law abiding) his GUN NUT son would not have had access, and the worst case would have been the loser walks in with a shotgun, sprays a shot or two, at which point the .38 special carried by LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY could have neutralized him.
Again, strawman arguments. The gun did exist. The gun was owned legally. The gun was stolen from it's legal owner. A shotgun? You ever see what a shotgun can do to people? Or deer? Or doors and walls? You obviously haven't shot a gun in your life. Law enforcement only? You're kidding. Law enforcement took over 5 minutes to get there. People are lucky this kid couldn't shoot worth a shit. Police CAN'T be everywhere and the illusion that they can is foolish at best. Have you ever been to Nebraska? You're miles from anywhere and backup is miles from you.
but no, THIS BLOOD IS ON YOU, GUN NUTS! Nice try, SCC... Bottom line, gun laws save lives... If they save even 1 they are worthwhile... and it seems if they were in place, atleast they could have saved 9 shame on you gunnuts shame on you
Yeah, that "gun free zone" sure saved a bunch of lives. Why, you can hardly see the caskets from here. You're a moron.
to 11:49
i think you should have written "gun nut" one more time to really make your argument. you talk about the weapons as if they are facing off with each other. it's not the weapon it's the person controlling it.
the father is allowed to have the gun because he is a law-abiding citizen. our society is not and cannot be governed by laws made just in case one person has the will to do something crazy. what does help our society is that there are people like the cop you met, who is willing to go in there with a snubnose and take care of business. YOU could watch through your fingers as you lie there in the fetal position crying.
but no, THIS BLOOD IS ON YOU, GUN NUTS! Nice try, SCC... Bottom line, gun laws save lives... If they save even 1 they are worthwhile... and it seems if they were in place, atleast they could have saved 9 shame on you gunnuts shame on you!
12/10/2007 11:49:00 PM
YOU ARE WRONG!
The facts speak for themselves. A single armed citizen ended the killers rampage.
You will continue to live in fantasy land, and those of us that live in realty will be prepared to protect you and your kind. No thanks is needed, that is what we do.
Pallidin
12/11/2007 07:51:00 AM
You sound like a big Pus**.
If you are the police I would hate to be your partner.
When all hell breaks loose I would not like seeing you run the other way.
Off topic: What ever happened to that a-1 Det.(R.D.) mentioned in a previous post that stated he has alot of juice? Word around the coffee pot is he has a large boat he keeps on Lake Mich., a big apartment building and a couple new cars. On D-2 pay? Anything to do with his brother's trucking company on with the city?HMMMMM
12/11/2007 12:01:00 AM
Did you notice how oprah changed her voice to appear more ghetto like? She is nothing more than a race baiting pos and if it was not for all the white suburban woman she would be selling streetwise! osama obama will not salute our flag, in being sworn in he refused the bible but swore on the koran another POS! Vote Republican 100%!!
A VERY IMPORTANT FEDERAL COURT RULING OUT OF FEDERAL COURT IN SAN FRANCISCO
A police uniform is not just a set of clothes, but an emblem of authority that conveys "special powers and deference in our society" - and that means the officer should be paid for the time needed to put it on and take it off, says a federal judge in San Francisco.
U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel ruled in favor of police in San Leandro who sued for about a half-hour per day of paid "donning and doffing" time - either as part of their shifts or as premium pay.
The ruling "ensures that officers get a fair day's pay for a fair day's work," said Alison Berry Wilkinson, a lawyer for the officers.
But Kathy Mount, San Leandro's lawyer, said Patel left room for the city to argue that the process takes so little time that it shouldn't be compensated. Mount said the city would try to persuade the judge that putting on and taking off uniforms and mandatory protective gear takes only 10 minutes. San Leandro officers have estimated that they need 25 to 35 minutes a day.
Patel's ruling also conflicts with an earlier decision by another judge in the same courthouse. U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer ruled in August that police in Richmond did not have to be paid for time spent putting on and removing their uniforms, but might be entitled to compensation for time needed to attach safety equipment such as guns, holsters, handcuffs and helmets. He said police must be paid if they have to put on that equipment at the station.
Putting on and taking off a uniform is not "integral and indispensable" to police work, the standard established by the Supreme Court in compensation cases, Breyer said.
In her ruling Friday, Patel said she disagreed with Breyer. A police uniform, along with safety gear, makes up an officer's survival suit, she said. It deters crime by letting everyone know the officer holds a law enforcement job, and it includes the equipment needed to catch criminals, she said.
She cited past rulings requiring employers to pay workers for the time they need to put on protective clothing in a battery plant and a silicon chip factory.
The suit was filed by Greg Lemmon, president of the San Leandro Police Officers Association, on behalf of the 54 patrol officers in the department.
Wilkinson said all police departments specify the type of uniform officers must wear and the equipment they must carry, but only a few pay for their time. Berkeley sets aside 20 minutes of each shift for uniform-related compensation, she said, and the California Highway Patrol pays uniformed officers a 3.5 percent premium.
She said an appeals court would probably have to decide the issue in light of the conflict with Breyer's ruling, and with a ruling by another federal judge last month in a suit by police in San Diego.
12/11/2007 01:05:00 AM
Burke wearing a star? Is that the bullshit star Laski got for all 50 aldermen? Or his fake 1 year on cpd star? He would not even be an alderman except his father joe Burke was a great man who died in office and eddie went right into those big shoes! Joe Burke loved the police eddie has dementia and over 3 million dollars cash that he discloses! http://www.elections.il.gov/CampaignDisclosure/D2Semi.aspx?id=349673
all this for a part time job also look at all the big donors!
I am not a gun lover, but if you want individuals to give up their gun rights then you will have to have members of the Democratic Party in Chicago stop their ties with Organized Crime figures the 70 percent of the Democratic politicians that support street gangs that has been editorlized by both major papers in Chicago and the Democratic Partys affiliation with domestic terroists Black Panthers, The Weathermen which seem to still have a large segment in the media and FALN to name a few. And let us not forget that the Democratic Party has let the FALN terroist go free after giving them a pardon and the members of the Democratic Party in Chicago that benefitted from self admitted terroist Libyas Momar Ghadafi 2 million dollar a year finacial package.
Question: Was Judge Claps, judge in the Sgt. Herman case, from juvenile court?
If so, he hated the police in juv court and gave every inch to the defendants.
If this is the same judge, Herman's attorney messed up and should have motioned to substitute the judge.
I have no knowledge of the case and do not want to dispute the facts, but for a Judge to grandstand regarding Sgt. Herman and the detectives testimony, seemed as if he was waiting for his movement to bash the police.
How many times have you witnessed a Judge calling a defendant's testimony "nothing short of perjury"?
SGT HERMAN got screwed. 20 plus years of crackhead rapes and none I repeat none rated even a review by asa unless there were extreme exigent circumstances.. What a crock. Are crackheads valuable as human beings or not ? Why is it only when a P.O. is involved they are suddenly valued as human beings ? Why is it that the City and State throw the drug addicted women to the dogs all other times. This is an outrage, either crackheads are victims or their not. What reporter has a set of balls big enough to investigate how many crackhead women are raped and then able to pursue their day in court.
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Well the city and court made its case. Headline "crack addicts have more credit in court then chicago police officers"
That's great, now on the list of people, crackheads have more life creditibilty. Fucking hire crack addicts personel dept, in this city it's an admirable trait.
Here it is, a respect list
5097. Homeless
5098. Murderes
5099. rapist
5100. crackheads
5101. police officers
Do fuking nothing. Why arrest anyone? The city enjoys criminals over its own police force.
Listen, if Herman is guilty, he got what he deserved.
But, why would an ASA make this comment, "It doesn't matter if you are addicted to crack. You don't get to be raped by a Chicago police officer"?
Are people allowed to be raped by everyone else other than a Chicago police officer.
Based on her own words, I would not trust Assistant State's Atty Kimellen Chamberlain. Obliviously, she has a hidden agenda.
What is wrong with, "It doesn't matter if you are addicted to crack. You don't get to be raped."
12/10/2007 11:49:00 PM
Hey dipshit.... yes, a .38 to the temple would have done the trick. And even if guns were illegal, it would make NO difference! Heroin is illegal. Its still available. Cocaine is illegal, weed, moonshine, lsd, ludes, meth etc are all ILLEGAL, but are still READILY available. And guess what, genius? HANDGUNS are ILLEGAL in Chicago, as are assault rifles....yet handgun violence in this city is off the chart...
And lets be honest, you cannot argue for shit. #1, the mall in question is GUN FREE! Meaning....yup....guns there are illegal, and look what happened anyway you moreon! #2 You rip into someone for carrying a .38 because any number wont help against a 'death device', then recommend that po's neutralize a nut with a shotgun by using a ....38? Leave the policework to us, and the thinking to someone sane, and when you are faced with a terrible situation, dial 911 as 'a few' folks are sprayed with shotgun pellets, and I bet you will be really wishing that you had a glock while you are hiding in the woman's clothing section....
Right on SCC. I LOVE your 9:29 response.
"If federal laws were in place against this type of gun being allowed in the average household this LAW ABIDING DAD WOULD NOT BE IN THE POSITION HE IS IN NOW! He most likely would not have had an AK in his house (because he is law abiding) his GUN NUT son would not have had access"
Just so you know,many of the high tech weapons from the 1920-30s gangster era were stolen from National Guard Amouries and Police Depts.
I personally know of plenty of stolen guns from PDs.If the bad guys wants the weapons they will get them no matter what.
Gun Free Zone=death and non-safety
Gun owner=citizen
Non-gun owner=victim
No ... the liberals are not firmly in charge of the print media ... what gave you that idea?
Now, lets say gun laws prohibited his father from owning the AK47 in the first place, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!
Ya ... because every bad guy would tremble and shake at the thought of disobeying that law... >>>
So I've dutifully registered 5 firearms now and one is coming up for renewal.
What I'm curious about is how this information is used. When officers are dispatched to a house are they advised that the owner has registered firearms?
If so, how does their approach to the situation differ based on that information? I'm just a civvy, but I'd think they'd approach each situation as if there were firearms present. I gotta imagine that for all the people like myself that comply, there are many that do not and hope to fly under the radar.
if it saves just 1 life it is worth giving up the freedom our forefathers fought and died for.........LIKE HELL !
sounds to me like you need to spend a little more time at the range w/ whatever gun you carry off duty and a little less time spewing stupidity on a blog.
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANY NUMBER OF .38 SPECIALS WOULD HAVE THWARTED THIS CRAZED LUNATICS PLOT BEING HE WAS ARMED WITH AN AK47???
Tell you what, you can have an AK against an unknown number of shoppers in a mall lets say 500 shoppers. Now, lets say 25 of those shoppers have a .38 and are not willing to let you slaughter them or their family. My guess is that you will be killed by a .38 IDIOT!
12/10/2007 11:49:00 PM
You Sir/Madam are an asshat. That is another example of the kind of brainless thinking that puts everyone at risk. 1. Had there been 200 CC permit holders in the mall, half would have run, the other half would have lit him up like a Christmas tree.
2. You think because he had no gun he wouldn't have been able to kill anyone? Think of an automobile, a parking lot with pedestrians, and put it together.
This poor kid lost his marbles who knows when, and decided to become a killing machine. Your gun laws may save one life, the freedom to own guns saves 100.
Go fuck yourself, and by the way, if you should have the misfortune of every coming across an armed offender, just jump in front of the muzzle. Asshat!
If they only did a seat belt misson at that mall and those churches.
Sgt Herman is facing a minimum of 24 yrs, he is 42 years old.
You want to have sex with a nasty crack head, even though we all know it was consensual, you pay the price. Now wait for the millions paid to this crack head for a on duty cop being criminally convicted of raping her.
This crack head struck gold!
Here is a little tip from your old Uncle Larry, No matter how hot she is, no matter if she is a crack hoe. Don't go to jail for some sex while working. Think before you do anything in life!
About John Herman. Yes, he got screwed. In fact, he took it dry in the ass. BUT,IAD sought charges from the CCSAO. AND the CCSAO approved felony charges. When in fact felony review never charges a single finger sex offense against a known prostitute. SO who is to blame? It seems both IAD and felony review. Don't forget Judge Claps who clearly was influenced by currect political winds. Not to out do himself but the judge then put the two dicks in the trick bag by calling their testimony next to perjury. John Herman does not belong on this job, but he does NOT belong on jail either.
Now, lets say gun laws prohibited his father from owning the AK47 in the first place, THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!
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So what you're saying is that if speedballs had been illegal, John Belushi would still be alive...?
If you were even SLIGHTLY smarter, you'd realize just how stupid you truly are...
Everyone should pack heat!
Citizens don't have to worry about stupid round tables and second guessing unlike Police Offcers!
I am all for carry and conceal in Illinois as long as one is properly licensed and trained!
The bad guys such as the Omaha shooter don't follow gun laws!
If someone did have a hand gun, like a snub, how inacurate after 25feet are they
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That's funny, I can keep all five shots from my Chief's special in the scoring rings of an NRA Timed/Rapid Fire target at FIFTY feet. Maybe you don't practice enough. Maybe you've never actually TOUCHED a REAL firearm.
The shooting never would have happened if the kid didn't have access to a gun in the first place.
More guns = more deaths. Easy equation.
As a citizen who has long resented the fact that he can't own a pistol in this town, the only thing which has kept me from getting active on this issue is that I am told regularly, by the media, by friends, by the politicians, and even by some police organizations, that police officers really prefer gun control. That's something I pay attention to. I mean, I can understand why police officers don't want pistols out there, since there's a pretty good chance the pistol will end up being pointed at the police officers.
Am I wrong? Do most police officers prefer a citizenry armed with pistols?
I don't know. I'm asking you. Should I bother my Aldercrook to repeal the handgun ban? I'm pretty sure I'd get a permit -- no rap sheet, no mental illness. I would really like to have a pistol. But not if it causes grief for you.
12/10/2007 11:49:00 PM <---you're an idiot
Dear SCC, when I buy my can of mixed nuts at Walgreens, I'll be picking through the can till I find you (gun nut).
How many times have you witnessed a Judge calling a defendant's testimony "nothing short of perjury"?
12/11/2007 11:46:00 AM
Unbelievable point. I didn't think of that!!
Also, it seems like Hickey is an average attorney at best.
The detectives that night did tell the lieutenant that the woman asked for money and yes they told the ASA that was there and the ASA decided to do nothing about it. I guess Devine cannot let the truth get in the way of good community relations at election time, eh?
I don't think 11:49 is even the Police. Probably a Rogers Park liberal.
John Herman is a complete moron. He is an immature a-hole who should have never worn the CPD uniform. He is immoral and an embarrassment. I've known him many years both on the job and off the job. Herman got screwed. He should be fired. He should not be in prison. The whole thing was a set up by some crackhead seeing a potential pay day. Yes she offered the detective a chance to make it go away for five grand and this was immediately documented by the detective. Can you imagine what would have been the immediate outcry by the media and the revs if the detective had placed the whore under arrest for attempted bribery?? But the judge thought that would have been the appropriate thing to do.
The detective in question is a great lady. She is a middle aged black woman about as far removed from the likes of John Herman as you could ever imagine. Why, oh why would she offer some crackhead whore $5,000 to drop the charges on Herman as the whore and the State's Atty allege. Unbelievable! It's sad and it hurts me the way that piece of shit judge and the state's atty office just kicked her under the bus. It's wrong. It's about time we woke up to what's happening around here. And don't say it can't happen to you...... Connie didn't do anything wrong and look what they've done to her. Fuck Herman......but he doesn't belong in prison. There's no doubt in my mind that the sex consensual. Damn.....what a jagoff.
Let's stand behind Connie....
This just in.
Six shot at Las Vegas bus stop. No further details at this time.
SCC WATCH IT HIS BLOOD IS ON YOU
GULP.....
WOW DO I WORK WITH THAT ANTI GUN NUT.
OH WELL, HAPPY HOLIDAYS I HAVE MY PIECE ON EARTH I HOPE YOU CARRY YOURS IN THESE TRYING TIMES OF SNATCH AND GRAB AND NUTTY TEENS WITH RILES IN THE MALL.
FLAH LA LALA FLAHH LALA.
Omaha is conservative community, who love their police, and like to carry guns. Too bad we live in a community where a person who shot the teenage crazy would have been sued up the ying yang for killing Mr. Crazy.
I just read on the net news that our heroine from Colorado was fired
from the Minneapolis PD for swearing at some guy on a bus. By those standards I should be in prison for life.
She likes guns, shoots bad guys, and swears at the bottom rung of society; anyone know if she's single?
how about the media fugging the weather reports last night and early this morning urging people not to go to work and to stay off the roads because of icey roads. if they would have gotten their heads out of their asses and stuck it out of the window - they would have saw that it was 34 degrees outside - not cold enough for freezing. tv and radio were still reporting freezing in the city at 9 AM. way to go geniuses.
John Herman doesn't belong on the job, he may not belong in jail, but we sure as fuck dont deserve to get stuck with the tab for him getting his rocks off before (yeah, right)work. My sympathies rest with his wife and his kids who have to read the papers and listen to the shit on television and radio because he was too fucking stupid to think of anything but filling a condom, which he was also too stupid to get rid of. How'd you like to be his kids knowing what an asshole they had for a father. Yeah John, fight it in court, let everyone who knows your family that you just had a sex friend..the whole think makes the rest of us look like assholes, and as stated before, this is gonna cost us big time, the most expensive piece of cheap ass in the city...way to go asshole.
but no, THIS BLOOD IS ON YOU, GUN NUTS! Nice try, SCC... Bottom line, gun laws save lives... If they save even 1 they are worthwhile... and it seems if they were in place, atleast they could have saved 9 shame on you gunnuts shame on you!
12/10/2007 11:49:00 PM
If you are the police, I would suggest you check out the article on Policeone.com about this subject. Can one person armed with a 5 shot revolver stop a man with a rifle? Yes, why? Because someones got to do it. Read the studies on the what happens when a lone gunman encounters armed resistance. Almost always he has to stop what he's doing, namely hurting innocent people, and address that armed person.
Can a person armed with a pistol kill a offender armed with a long gun at long distance? Look for the Air Force SP who shot and killed an offender (5murders) at over 75 yards. He fired 4 and hit twice. It's all mindset.
Now that Sgt. Herman is a convicted felon, we need to watch carefully and take note of the prison sentence he receives.
My guess is he will get more prison time for having an affair with a crack whore, than Bobby Rush's kid who was arrested for having sex with multiple female inmates while he was a jail guard.
Who's conduct is worse?
Anyone care to make a bet on who gets the more severe sentence?
Shit..I bet Rush's kid gets aquitted on all counts!
Regarding the comments by the Judge in the Sgt Herman Sex Case:
Judge Claps also ripped two detectives who testified on Herman's behalf, saying, "Their testimony is unbelievable and incredible, and I reject it."
One detective, Constance Besteda, testified the victim asked for $5,000 in exchange for dropping the charges against Herman. The woman, meanwhile, claimed the detective offered her a bribe.
"Any allegations regarding Detective Besteda's actions will be investigated by Internal Affairs," said police spokeswoman Monique Bond.
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First, the detectives were NOT testifying on behalf of HERMAN.
They were reporting what happened during their investigation. I was also present in Area 2 working on a different case as this case was in progress there.
The crack head little hoe victim was a lying piece of shit who was looking for $5,000.00 to male this "Go Away"
For the Judge to say publicly that these Detectives lied with no factual proof to his statement is slander against these officers.
If I was these two detectives, I would seek an attorney and sue. The Judge is not protected from slander while on the bench. His statements were without fact, untruthful and slanderous to these two hard working sex crimes detectives that I know well.
Ever consider the possibility that someone could have fired a "mere .38" and that puss-boy could have gotten scared, quit firing, and done himself in a lot sooner?
That could have saved some lives.
The person who put down the Colorado church shooter was a former Minneapolis LEO. Good on her!
She was fired from the MPD for lying in an investigation. Sounds like she was the scapegoat on some IAD bullsh*t.
Since the Mayor defended the $310,000 salary for Jody with "if you want the best, you pay for it" how about the FOP remind the Mayor of this during contract negotiations. With all the bullshit we put up with this job should earn us at least $150,000 base patrolman's pay
* COLT: The original Point and Click interface.
* The Second Ammendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
* When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
* Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
Apparently now you can't stop BK because he'll beef on you for racial discrimination. He must be mad because he did not make alderman.
SCC -
Let me get this straight - if you own a business open to the public in any state but Illinois and Wisconsin (the two states without concealed carry), you MUST allow guns in your business? Have you thought this through? Are the businesses going to have access to their state's version of LEADS and AFIS to screen all who enter? (Without that information, how do you know the gun packer coming in is or is not a criminal? Or should all customers entering be greeted with a drawn handgun?)
Allow guns in bars and pre-schools? Psychiatrists offices? Sites for court order mediation in a divorce / hand off of kids in a bitter divorce? Are you going to pass laws forbidding deep pockets in wrongful death lawsuits? ("Mary Ann with the shaky hands" in TJ Maxx at the mall shoots and kills an innocent bystander trying to take out the criminal - you going to ensure "Mary Ann," who did not have "shaky hands" 6 months ago, is the only party civilly liable?)
There is a lot here - step up to the plate and say EXACTLY what concealed carry entails ... in great detail ... besides people carrying handguns and the opportunity to try to protect oneself and others.
Holy crap. I absolutely do not believe this. There has to be more to this:
... (searched for clip... not up yet. news story about an off duty CPD who says he was stopped by CPD on the south side, showed his badge, and was roughed up, etc.)
I'm sure you probably will, but just in case, please do an entry on this story, I just saw this on Fox news at 9 and my jaw was on the floor.
if it saves just 1 life it is worth giving up the freedom our forefathers fought and died for.........LIKE HELL !
sounds to me like you need to spend a little more time at the range w/ whatever gun you carry off duty and a little less time spewing stupidity on a blog.
12/11/2007 01:24:00 PM
ok william wallace... Im not running into any mall/school/post office to risk my ass shooting a crazed killer so I can get sued later, be front and center at a Brookins round table and lose my lilvelihood to protect those who love to read the shit spewed against me everyday. Ill give them what they want... Ill secure the perimeter and call for SWAT. Fuck this job. Ill go home, say to my lovely wife and 2 kids "what a day, pass the potatoes" and sleep well at night. It aint worth it anymore... thank the media for that. Never again... maybe some innocents die, and for that Id be sorry. But the blood is on the media. Ill never second guess because Ill never put my wife in the situation of deciding what color casket to bury me in. Fuck you media, the blood will be yours, not mine.
GET RID OF ALL GUNS!!!
SCC just saw the 9 oclock fox news and there was a piece there where they show a p.o complaining and claiming racial profiling because he was stoped for no rason by a f/2 p.o. around 103rd/elizabeth overnught. he claims he was mistreated, cuffed and placed in back of squad car even after he i.d himself as a p.o. If this is true, thats pretty damn stupid of the f/2 p.o and of him (m/1 p.o ) for going to the news with it. He doesnt realize that we're all seen under the same light, no mater if you're white, black, mexican or anytung else.
We gotta stick together.
Please keep letting these anti constitution gungrabbers post here. It really makes them look stupid. The kid was no gun nut, just a plain nut. He didn't have an AK47, those are and have been illegal since the thirties. He had a AK style semi-auto rifle.
there is a big differance.
I don't go shopping without my .38 since it came out that our malls and places of commerce are targets to the terrorists here, and they are here. 5 in the head with my 640at 25 yards. I trust my skills, hit the range and practice. Or run and hide like the Dumbocrats want you to.
Was just watching CNN. They keep referring Drew Peterson as an Ex Chicago Cop. The City of Chicago should complain and get this changed. Like the Chicago Police Department doesn't catch enough heat!
Whomever the troll is comparing the US to Switzerland, you're an ass. In every single home in Switzerland is at least one high powered military rifle and a few hundred rounds of ammo. Can you guess why?
Same thing in most of the Nordic countries you name.
In Canada, rifles are commonplace. In fact, US citizens are allowed to travel back and forth over the border with any long gun they desire. Just not pistols.
If you read any crime statistics on the English situation, you'd realize that the moment they banned guns, violent crime became out of control because the criminals never surrendered their guns, only the law abiding. Burglaries and thefts skyrocketed because criminals knew that homeowners were unarmed. And the homeowners who did retain their guns and used them to defend themselves and their property were prosecuted more harshly than the criminals. The entire governmental structure was subverted to create more victims.
Sorry, but that isn't what the social contract provides for. And we're deleting your nonsense out of hand, same as the other crap you keep trying to get by us.
off duty CPD officer attempted to get CR# on 2 on duty Beat officers in 020 on 3rd watch the other nite for not responding to a traffic crash fast enough! Dont know the details but how pathetic that a fellow officer would get a CR# on another officer(s)!
Let's stand behind Connie....
12/11/2007 04:42:00 PM.............Connie B.has always been a decent person.A real class act.Of all the nonsense that makes up this stupid story,the saddest part is that she got dragged into this shit pile.
Who is the off duty that tried to get the CR? Names, dates, event numbers etc. Please, we gotta know.
11:34 - I believe in the 2nd as well, but for all of you that are trying to make this women out to be a regular Jane with a gun that just happened to be there, your wrong. She was a trained LEO and part of a security team.
Q: SCC's I.Q ?
A: .45 Caliber
GET RID OF ALL GUNS!!!
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Get rid of mine first.
I'll be waiting for you...
The shooting never would have happened if the kid didn't have access to a gun in the first place.
More guns = more deaths. Easy equation.
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Nobody'd die in falls if there were no gravity. One's as likely as the other.
You rapist enablers are losing. Eventually everybody will have the right to defend themselves and there's nothing you can do about it.
12/11/2007 09:26:00 PM said...well, a lot of things.
You, sir, are a stroke. I'm glad I don't work with you. If you want to be the police then be the police, even though you gotta go in but you don't necessarily have to come back out.
If that's a problem for you, then Dominick's is always looking for stockers.
Nothing that happens in a north side district surprises me.
Have you seen some of the P.O.s in 022? Nothing there surprises me. It seems like the only good coppers there are the ones that worked in 021 back in the day, when men were men and women were glad that they were.
Guns are pathetic and it's really unfortunate our society needs them to feel safe, or just to shoot each other with.
If you are referring to Judge Joe Claps . He is a drunk, just wait until he leaves one of his usual bars in elmwood park. Then crashes head-on into some victim.. A class 1 alcoholic.. Sun times and tribune are you reading this? If I were the two Detectives I would definitely sue his drunk ass.. Has a nice house in Elmwood Park.. Probably paid for too.. Would make for a nice $$$ settlement for Defamation of Character/slander lawsuit..
... (searched for clip... not up yet. news story about an off duty CPD who says he was stopped by CPD on the south side, showed his badge, and was roughed up, etc.)
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it's on the abc chicago site.
off duty CPD officer attempted to get CR# on 2 on duty Beat officers in 020 on 3rd watch the other nite for not responding to a traffic crash fast enough! Dont know the details but how pathetic that a fellow officer would get a CR# on another officer(s)!
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unless your a supervisor not possible. So whatever, he's an idiot for trying. Well, that fellow officer just blew a career. No back-up, no one will work with, no units.
An idiot commented "...the worst case would have been the loser walks in with a shotgun, sprays a shot or two..."
This guy obviously has had NO EXPERIENCE whatsoever with shotguns, no clue as to what 8 rounds of double aught buck can do, no clue as to the speed at which a pump shotgun, let alone a semi-auto shotgun, can be fired, no idea that there's any kind of shot other than birdshot, no understanding of spread patterns, and has never seen the kind of damage a single pellet can do to the human body.
Furthermore, this knucklehead hasn't a clue as to how even certifiably loco human beings will react to being fired upon, even with an AK in their hands.
This disturbed young man might have been distracted enough by being fired on, even by a single citizen, to cause him to no longer be focussed on hitting the many soft targets that the majority of those on scene were, from his point of view and in reality.
If you've had combat experience, you know what I'm talking about.
With or without training, some folks will inevitably react by doing nothing but cower, flee, or freeze up.
Others will instinctively move to the threat, hopefully with great care and common sense.
No matter how often or loudly the sheeple cry about 'if only there were no guns', the one thing they NEVER do is think about life as it is.
Every time one of these multiple assassinations occurs, always in 'gun-free zones', only the idiots don't wonder what might have happed, if only our 2nd Amendment Rights were not denied to some of us.
Keep making those sheep and rabbit noises, it helps the predators to pin down your locations.
http://www.nra.org/
"For the Judge to say publicly that these Detectives lied with no factual proof to his statement is slander against these officers."
12/11/2007 07:23:00 PM
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Ok guys here is a SHORT list of BULLSHIT JUDGES (past or present)either buying or bought into the liberal way of life (for votes?), are or were ON THE TAKE, or are just plain INSANE.
Whatever....... these are some SCREWBALLS that represent the most embarrassing county in the nation for prosecuting offenders.
Also,they are police or law enforcement hating moronic idiots that wear a black robe and think they are SOMETHING better than everyone because they opened a book and something went to their heads!
1. Leo Holt
2. Eugene Pincham
3. Rodney Jones
4. Morrissey (was in 26th rm 700)
5. James Epstien
6. Sharon Sullivan
7. Sutker-Durmer
8. Himmel (was at 26th)
9.Mary Thomas
10. Willie Wright
FEEL FREE TO ADD MORE!
By the way Chicago Citizens and anyone outside the police realm reading this ........The above aforementioned list of Cook County "HEROES" is probably one of the main reasons for the terrible crime rates/Homicide rates in the City of Chicago.
This is largely due to the fact that they "TOSSED" cases (good ones too) of REAL BAD /ROGUE and REPEAT OFFENDERS that are (and maybe were if deceased now) KILLING/MURDEROUS wastes of protoplasm and or gang members that were of rank and partook in some serious and heinous events of inhumanity in and around Chicago.
SO JUST LET THEM GO.........RIGHT LEO!
just read on the net news that our heroine from Colorado was fired
from the Minneapolis PD for swearing at some guy on a bus. By those standards I should be in prison for life.
She likes guns, shoots bad guys, and swears at the bottom rung of society; anyone know if she's single?
12/11/2007 05:38:00 PM
NOW THATS FUNNY
A proposal for a new bumper sticker....'Guns dont kill people, People kill people. SO LET'S KILL THE PEOPLE KILLING PEOPLE!' we can kill them with butter knives if it sits easier with the liberals....
GOOD! I hope the mall gets their asses sued!
Herman did what ever he did with the crack-head consensually! Fired for doing it on duty; Ok I’ll go with that. Prison; NOOOO FUCKING WAY! Judge Claps is and has been a fucking joke! “Ok, Lil boy, now write a essay on why you had the gun” The Lil Homies that were in and out of his calendar at juvy called him “sweet meat”. He has always been anti-police. “I don’t believe the officers testimony, there is no way this child (15YO gangbanger W/a rap sheet) committed this crime”. Fuck him!
WTF? Where do we find some of these people? What La-La land do they live in? Some Judges with absolutely no fucking clue of reality. A Jury that watches, and more importantly believes in, that Idiot box called a TV. A Media that is held unaccountable for whatever they decide to print. A City Government more corrupt than Rome. Mr. “Gun-Nuttery” and his rant (Dude, change the Tampon!). Can someone direct me to the revolution? Please?
10pm news had more crap about 'controlling guns', this time targeting the few remaining gun shops within a mile or so of the city borders.
And, once again, the talking heads focus on city residents being sold handguns when their FOID's show there home address to be within the city.
Now, who's to say a FOID card holder residing within the city limits isn't buying that handgun and storing it outside the city limits with a friend or relative blessed with not living in the city?
Of course, the simplest solutions to this inconvenience are, like the shop in Elmwood Park, for the gun dealer to refuse to sell handguns to FOID card holders with a city address and for these same customers to travel a bit farther and give their business to shops farther outside the city's borders.
Hell, all these 'too close to Chicago' shops have to do is relocate farther North, West or South.
Sure, we all know that city residents in great numbers ignore the city's 'moratorium' on accepting handgun registrations, but, what actual percentage of these 'unregistered' handguns are used in the actual commission of authentic criminal acts and what percentage are never seen or used?
Maybe, just maybe, the Supreme Court will render moot all these bullshit laws which deny the citizens their 2nd Amendment Right to Keep AND Bear Arms.
But I'm not holding my breath.
"Can someone direct me to the revolution? Please?"
Sointinly!!!
And it's EASY.
REGISTER TO VOTE
VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
Break the stranglehold the 'major' political parties have on our Democracy, give the many honest and sane citizens the sign that the rest of us actually WANT them to run for offices, be they Legislative, Executive or Judicial branch offices, and see what happens.
We've got little left to lose, so why not try something different?
1. Leo Holt
2. Eugene Pincham
3. Rodney Jones
4. Morrissey (was in 26th rm 700)
5. James Epstien
6. Sharon Sullivan
7. Sutker-Durmer
8. Himmel (was at 26th)
9.Mary Thomas
10. Willie Wright
FEEL FREE TO ADD MORE!
Epstein has been a serious police hater since i've been on this job. if I was a civilian who was on the hook for a serious charge in which the police were the only witnesses against me...I'd pray, beg, borrow, cheat, or steal (again ha ha ha) to get my case sent to his room. I've heard him say to an open court that the officer's testimony was "shaky at best." what a liberal asshole. I do like a few judges though...LoCallo comes to mind as one of the police friendly judges.
the older blonde female judge from br. 50 from a few years ago was also very police friendly.
To: 12/11/2007 11:09:00 AM
What's even greater is the Detective from Area 1 (R.D) is the son of a person who owns a body shop in 009. Guess which body shop repairs all CPD squad cars with body damage. You guessed it the same body shop owned by R.D's dad. Think how much money is being overcharged to the city for the shoddy work this body shop does on the squad cars. R.D. was always a little know it all bitch.
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