More Sneed Droppings
Sneed hears rumblings that the Justice Department was eyeing the possibility of seeking a consent decree to take over the administration of the Chicago Police Department months ago.
• • The idea stemmed from disclosures of police torture, wrongful convictions and police misconduct that grabbed national and international headlines and were an embarrassment to the hardworking men in blue.
Sneed part two:
Watch for Ald. Ed Burke and Ike Carothers, chairman of the City Council's Police Committee, to introduce an ordinance mandating that any Chicago cop who discharges his or her weapon on or off duty must submit to a Breathalyzer test within two hours.
• • To wit: This action stems from the reported number of police shootings over 10 years marked by continuing financial settlements the city pays out.
• • Upshot: It comes on the heels of a $20 million payout in the Jon Burge torture case which has members of the City Council agitated over the cost to taxpayers.
Second, we don't know where she gets that this action is in any way related to the number of police shootings and city payouts. This is an asinine comparison. Has there been any accusation in the past 10 years, let alone 20 years, that an officer was intoxicated and it somehow led to or affected a shooting? We aren't talking about when a drunk cop waves his gun around - that has happened and people have been fired for it. We're talking about actually shooting someone - we can't recall one off the tops of our heads. Anyone?
And of course, to tie it into Burge is stupid. The city is the one who refused to go to court and defend these allegations. A city run by someone who was the state's attorney at the time everything allegedly happened.
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posted by SCC at 12:08 AM
65 Comments:
I can think of one. Captain E.G. of 009...but then judging from the size, shape and color of his nose, he's been drunk his entire life. The man should be behind bars-not wearing them.
Make the asshole Burke and the Corp council take the test since they are the sorry asses paying out and agreeing to settle every single B.S. case.
I am beginning to think they are under the influence based on the poor judgement that they are always displaying!
Quick..2 hours!
Hey Ike Carothers,
I'm your long distant cousin. Can you please make me a LT too? I'll keep it secret so it don't look bad to the media.
Thanks
What does everyone expect? Look at the exempts- clout, friends of friends, etc.,etc.
Merit promotions put these clowns in positions to be the next "Leaders"- what a joke,
Well just remember that video they showed you when you had to qualify a few years back. All you are required to do is call 911 and if you know that you are going to be drinking consider not carrying your sidearm. My take would be protect you and your own if your life was in direct jeopardy, " better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." in all other instances call 911.
If it happens it is because of Daley.
He promoted Hillard who was the dumbest Superintendent of all time and then promoted Cline who was the most devious and who had utter contempt for the disciplinary system after beating the "G" during the Marquette 10.
Give the Media time!
If they can't find an incident.
Then the News Media will make one up!
They keep stirring that asshole Abate tape every chance they get as it is!
A city run by someone who was the state's attorney at the time everything allegedly happened.
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Even if you went to public school, you can put two and two together there...
How about this.....why don't they test the mutts that are shot....and how about test the city lawyers who have just settled with the mutts instead of fighting and proving that they (the Mutts) were at fault. People say it is cheaper to settle but if the folks see that the gravy train is closed maybe they won't be filing their B.S. accusations......Wait!!!!! did I just imply that the peoples think? Sorry....I think I need another drink
how much of that 20 million is daley and the machine getting in a kickback?
Does this mean that all the OFFENDERS who shoot at the police get a breathalyzer and urine test for alcohol/drugs? Or is it just a double standard? How about drug testing for Aldercreatures, States attorney's, State Reps, Da Mayer, Governor, Judges, and Public Defenders?..Oh wait a minute, I forgot the public defenders get their weed delivered to them by children.. Hey Burke.. Where do you really live? I rarely see you at your house on Campbell.. Or do you spend most of your time in Burr Ridge?
"The city is the one who refused to go to court and defend these allegations. A city run by someone who was the state's attorney at the time everything allegedly happened."
Correct, People tend to overlook States Attorney Daley& his underling Dickie chiselchin Devine.
All of their past sins are being brought to roost&we the taxpayer have to atone for their Malfeasance. This happened during the time the majority of you Urban Warriors were running around in your underroos, playing with your He-Man dolls.
"How about this.....why don't they test the mutts that are shot....and how about test the city lawyers"
Because they're not certified by the State to carry a firearm Moron!
Go have some eyetime with your Ghetto Skank, perhaps she'll appreciate your warped logic.
I HAVE AN IDEA.
OFF DUTY OFFICERS SEE A CRIME IN PROGRESS WE DO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES. WE PUT ARE HEADS DOWN AND ACT LIKE WE DIDNT SEE A THING.
IF AN OFFICERS IN A GIN MILL AND SOMEONE IS GETTING POUNDED BY A BOTTLE OF PABST BLUE RIBBON WE WALK OUT.
IF A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HAPPENS AND THE DRIVERS BLEEDING OUT HIS NECK LIKE A WATER HOSE WE JUST KEEP ON DRIVING.
REMEMBER EVEN IF YOU DONT SHOOT SOMEONE OFF DUTY EXPECT FOR THE WHITE SHIRT TO PUSH THIS AGENDA THRU WITH AN ORDER TO BLOW REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE DRIVING OR NOT.
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THIS IS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE THE GENERAL ORDER NOT THE LAW. THE FOP IS GOING TO HAVE TO CAVE ON THIS ONE AND HOPEFULLY GET US SOMETHING USEFUL LIKE A FEW DOLLAR ON THE UNIFORM ALLOWANCE?
Burke is still paying into our pension!!!! Hello FOP Why is he allowed to do that? Since being an aldercreature is a part time job Why isnt he at Roll Call in the 7th Dist? This job is BS.
I'm trying to understand this whole proposal. Does this mean that if you are involved in a shooting while drunk it is considered an automatic "bad" shoot? Don't mean to sound ignorant but let say your drinking at a bar, a fight breaks out and a guy takes a gun out and begins shooting several people inside. Your drunk and shoot the guy, protecting the lives of other patrons. But because your drunk your shoot is going to be a "bad" shoot.
Once again I ask...
why are we the "POLICE" again.
Believe me, coppers have shot people while intoxicated. And don't ask me to get into specifics because I won't.
To 12/10/2007 08:19:00A.M.
Burke hasn't lived on Campbell for several years. He now lives at 51 & Springfield. And yes he does spend time there along with his other houses.
Anonymous said...
Make the asshole Burke and the Corp council take the test since they are the sorry asses paying out and agreeing to settle every single B.S. case.
I am beginning to think they are under the influence based on the poor judgement that they are always displaying!
Quick..2 hours!
12/10/2007 01:51:00 AM
How about testing danny burke ed's little brother is he ever driving sober? Is he or ed ever sober? hey sneed maybe you just won another trip to your personal friend eddie burkes castle he owns in ireland! congrats sneed!
Anonymous said...
Rumor is the CPD is on the verge of Federal Consent Decree and Daley had no choice.
12/05/2007 11:46:00 PM
blow it out your ass.
and the world will end in 2012.
smoke another joint.
Sound familiar?
Blow it out my ass..huh, dumb fuck?
12/06/2007 09:55:00 AM
Off topic a tad; can we sue for anything? Anything? Sweat. I found a chicken head in my paycheck.
to introduce an ordinance mandating that any Chicago cop who discharges his or her weapon on or off duty must submit to a Breathalyzer test within two hours.
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All this will do will weaken the economy when all the coppers stop going to the bars to drink!
Boys, buy your beer in Dupage or Lake Co.'s! Give it to them in their pocket books! Drink at home.
My take would be protect you and your own if your life was in direct jeopardy, " better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6." in all other instances call 911.
12/10/2007 05:36:00 AM
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Can't even do THAT any more. They want us to be weak, scared, and unarmed just like all the sheeple that CHOOSE to reside in this Shity.
It's not against the law to buy or consume alcohol yet right? So why does it seem that it's now illegal for a cop to have a few beers then defend himself against a dangerous attacker. I bet most cops could pass the CPD pistol course with a few beers in them!
Be smart, but don't be scared.
A consent decree is just that- the city consents to federal oversight. The Feds cannot mandate it and no court can order it. It is a consent decree. The Feds use the threat of constant lawsuits against munincipalities to get these decrees.
LLet them sue. They can't win them all and the minute they lose one, they take their balls and bats and go home.
Quite honestly I am surprised that this topic (breath test after shooting) hasn' been brought up earlier. I am pretty sure that we are in the absolute minotiry of departments that DON'T require this. I know of an incident that occured in the suburbs where the investigating agency attempted to get the CPD members to submit because it was part of their policy. I for one say who cares, but I agree that those on the welfare rolls should be dropping too.....
Hey city if I had a couple of drinks and I'm walking to an El stop and see two known covicted felons waving a gun at you in your car and then start to pull you out or better yet, shoot you, Do you want to me to start shooting? NO.
Probably another lie probably fed to her/him by Phat Cline. Tommorow she/he will say that Starks is responsible for the feds wanting to take over. We all know how acccurate her/his columns are.
Anonymous said...
Does this mean that all the OFFENDERS who shoot at the police get a breathalyzer and urine test for alcohol/drugs?
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I'd rather not test them. That only giives tehm an excuse!
As a working copper who has never taken a dime on this job, maybe Federal oversight wouldn't be so bad. Perhaps things might even be somewhat legit for a change.
I shot a guy 20 years ago and was never tested. I am willing to take that test right now, hurry before I meet the guys after work tonight.
i do believe alderwhatever burke was along, as a statie, when fred hampton went toes up.
Take the alcohol testing one step further, and see how this plays out.
You are involved in a shooting, and blow on the breathalyser. Your reading comes up 0.01. This level, while not even close to being intoxicated, could lead some attorney to say that you were drinking, even if not true (if you just got done eating, I believe you can show that reading, mattering on the food). You are now sued civilly.
During the contract negotiations to come, you know the city will say that we only want it to catch drunk policemen, or people drinking at work. How it is used by others is another story.
Remember the 20 CR number list kept by the department? They said that it is only internal, but once you make a list of any kind in government, it is discoverable in court (ie. take a look at the lawyers filing suit to get the list of names).
One last point with alcohol testing: I thought Prohibition was repealed in 1933. Wouldn't that be class discrimination to essentially prohibit policemen from ever drinking? After all, we can be called in to work at any time. We can't drink if we are going to be working. The implication with this proposed law is that policemen should never drink. The department will argue what their intentions are, but intentions are not the same when viewed from the vantage of a lawyer looking for the deep pockets.
Ike Carothers? Is this the same Ike Carothers who, when up for re-election, call's himself, Ike "Sims" Carothers? So here's the deal: Back in the Sixties a black Westside powerhouse and Daley stalwart was State Representative Ike Sims. Today there is a large Section 8 building at the intersection of Washington Blvd. and Homan Ave. named after this fraud and known as the "Ike Sims Apartments"-another Daley giveaway to people who will not provide for themselves but can be counted on to vote for the Democrats, and a Daley-much like the Irish! Anyone other than John Northern remember the "Chicken Hawk Rooster"? That was the name of the policy wheel operated by organized crime through their front man, Ike Sims. State Representative William Dawson ran another one and the money spent by impoverished blacks filled the campaign coffers of Ike Sims and Richaed Daley. However the primary beneficiary was the Chicago Outfit. So this is the legacy of the Carothers-Sims family. Not unlike the dope dealers who pry the bottom dollar from a crack whore with four kids in a rat infested apartment in 011, 010, or the west end of 013. And to any of you half-wits who think organized crime is dead in Chicago-you're soft. They just made another merit lieutenant. So go iron you're kilts and keep voting for Daley, boys! You deserve what you get.
Let's all go to city hall and arrest Eddie Burke for felony
theft, kidnapping and scamming.
Sneed is 100% correct. CPD was about as near to a federal take over as Weiss is to being the new sup.
For all of you crying about wanting Federal take over you almost had your wish.
Watch for some new changes. Perjury clause? Get caught lying and your out. CPD officers have a credibility problem. Think paper is bad now? The Feds thrive on paperwork.
We have a form of Fed oversight now. THink about it. Former Feds in positions of CPD Sup, Head of OPS or what every they call it now, Inspector General is a former fed. WHY? How close were we to a fed takeover of CPD?
Years of Clout based Promotions, Years of Corruption, Thieving, Etc. Then apply the antics of City Hall, Aldermen ie. Silver Shovel, Hired Truck Scandle,and it just may be that the Feds are sick and tired and told King Ritchie its time to clean house? I speculate that the King of Chicago may have been told you made the mess clean it up or we will and if we have to your gonna end up in a Federal Pen with George Ryan and Blago may be next?
I know this is rampant speculation and theory, but that last LT promotions list just may be the last of the clout promotions.
Watch for the new Land-based casino to end up at Lake-side Center at McCormick Place... You heard it hear first
I am under the impression a Federal consent decree can instantly nullify any part of collective bargaining the Government chooses. Anyone have better info?
Do NOTHING!
Let this City burn to the ground!
Sometimes it is best to completely start over!
Ed Burke you got a lot of nerve.You and the wife who is a Judge (Ann Burke) The County along with the city covered up for your son who was drunk while driving a snowmobile and ran into a tree killing himself.all the while he was working for the County, He received full benefits. I got a though how about keep your mouth shut.
Why do the Feds give Richie Daley free passes all this time, if I did one thing wrong I'd be in Club Fed right now. I guess the Daley's and company are above the Laws set for you and me.
anyone who thinks the scandals are over here is dreaming, they are just beginning.
Murphy40Pct said...
I am under the impression a Federal consent decree can instantly nullify any part of collective bargaining the Government chooses. Anyone have better info?
12/10/2007 07:51:00 PM
100% correct!! Daley is trying to save the city and us ACTUALLY. WE don't want this to happen. But we're close...i.e. Abbate, Finnigan, Burge, etc..
The job blows, but this is now the way it is.
Believe me, coppers have shot people while intoxicated. And don't ask me to get into specifics because I won't.
12/10/2007 09:47:00 AM
Wow! Really?
Ed Burke's son was police officer. Mentioning his son is "inside baseball." Leave Ed Burke pertaining to this topic!
Anonymous said...
Let's all go to city hall and arrest Eddie Burke for felony
theft, kidnapping and scamming.
12/10/2007 06:54:00 PM
Have his detail guys arrest him! Why did he dump the 1 guy to 008 a few months ago with no reason! "Hi I am king eddie burke I admire loyalty", then he dumps the guy wtf! Why does he need 2 people all the time why not 1 driver? Why do they barely work? hello dana!
Lets examine the city's logic.
I shoot an offender and the city pays his family $80,000. I shoot an offender, I blow .01, and the city pays the offender's family 20 million. Why do they want this again? And don't say punitive damages by the officer cause the family doesn't care about the officer's money.
I'd rather get beaten by a bottle of Pabst Blue Ribbon than drink it.
Quick buzz report---
ICEHOUSE--Great if you don't have much money but need to get high right away.
KEYSTONE LIGHT--Coors product. Not as tasty, but gets the job done.
$2.99 a six-pack--WOO-HOO
"They can't win......"
12/10/2007 01:48:00 PM
You're talking about the feds. You dumb fuck!!
He learned extortion from the master...Rev. Jesse'
I honestly cannot understand how any educated person would listen to, follow, or agree with these idiots. They never pay for their mistakes on any level. They can promote racism but God forbid anyone else.
I guess there IS a sucker born everyday.
Bad Math said...
Lets examine the city's logic.
I shoot an offender and the city pays his family $80,000. I shoot an offender, I blow .01, and the city pays the offender's family 20 million. Why do they want this again? And don't say punitive damages by the officer cause the family doesn't care about the officer's money.
12/11/2007 07:30:00 AM
Good then it will come back to the sgt's,lt's & capts. sgts get 3/4 of a hour time for being there before roll call and to inspect the troops so they are ready. lts they dont do anything but still get the money but they are suppose to be there for roll call. capts give roll call so if you can't see the guy. and then sgt's are suppose to ride on po's jobs and log them so it looks like sgt's will be getting fucked
Anonymous said...
Ed Burke you got a lot of nerve.You and the wife who is a Judge (Ann Burke) The County along with the city covered up for your son who was drunk while driving a snowmobile and ran into a tree killing himself.all the while he was working for the County, He received full benefits. I got a though how about keep your mouth shut.
12/10/2007 09:56:00 PM
Whoever wrote this i understand your mad but this is off base! he was a copper for ccfp, leave it alone! Eddie burke himself is game on but not this keep this shit to yourself were you there? if not you have no idea what happened thank you!
I think it was less than 10 yrs but leaving out his name there was a copper while he was with his girlfriend who shot the homeless window washer and killed him under the el tracks the put hs gun in the trunk and drove away the gf testified at his trial and he went to prison. so there has been i proven case of shooting while drunk
GB. But he was never convicted of shooting while drunk, though he probably was. Another dumbshit know-it-all jagoff who wouldn't listen to anyone, figured he was above it all, and liked the dark skinned ladies while leaving his wife at home. Fuck him and Herman.
12/10/2007 06:16:00 PM
Now THAT'S what I'm tawkin' bout! Bust em out brother!
12/11/2007 11:44:00 AM
He was a drunk! Riding around in his own personal playground on a snowmobile. Stupid fuck.
12/11/2007 08:37:00 AM
Ha! Funny.
"Whoever wrote this i understand your mad but this is off base! he was a copper for ccfp, leave it alone! Eddie burke himself is game on but not this keep this shit to yourself were you there? if not you have no idea what happened thank you!
12/11/2007 11:44:00 AM"
We all understand you're a politico-hack towelboy. Fact remains Eddie should keep his piehole firmly shut when he has his own skeletons in the closet...
THIS POST IS BATHROOM WRITING AT ITS WORST EXTREME. AS FOR ED BURKE'S SON YOU ALL NEED TO LEAVE IT ALONE. HIS SON WAS ONE OF US A POLICEMAN! IT IS SAD THAT COPS HAVE TO RIP OTHER COPS. THIS IS SO LOW AND PATHETIC. YOU GUYS HAVE NO BALLS FOR YOU TO STEEP THAT LOW. PUT YOUR NAME ALONG THAT POST WHEN YOU SAY THAT SHIT ABOUT HIS SON. A TOTAL DISGRACE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THAT LOW ABOUT ANOTHER POLICEMAN. GO AHEAD BASH ALD. BURKE BUT LEAVE HIS SON OUT OF IT. VERY SAD PEOPLE.
To 12/11/2007 10:53:00 AM
WHAT????
Drink in the suburbs. They don't have stupid rules.
I HAVE AN IDEA.
OFF DUTY OFFICERS SEE A CRIME IN PROGRESS WE DO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES. WE PUT ARE HEADS DOWN AND ACT LIKE WE DIDNT SEE A THING.
IF AN OFFICERS IN A GIN MILL AND SOMEONE IS GETTING POUNDED BY A BOTTLE OF PABST BLUE RIBBON WE WALK OUT.
IF A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HAPPENS AND THE DRIVERS BLEEDING OUT HIS NECK LIKE A WATER HOSE WE JUST KEEP ON DRIVING.
REMEMBER EVEN IF YOU DONT SHOOT SOMEONE OFF DUTY EXPECT FOR THE WHITE SHIRT TO PUSH THIS AGENDA THRU WITH AN ORDER TO BLOW REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE DRIVING OR NOT.
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THIS IS ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE THE GENERAL ORDER NOT THE LAW. THE FOP IS GOING TO HAVE TO CAVE ON THIS ONE AND HOPEFULLY GET US SOMETHING USEFUL LIKE A FEW DOLLAR ON THE UNIFORM ALLOWANCE?
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with all the settlements, cop hating media, and other problems the public have with the police, great ideas, why be the police when no one wants them anymore.
As far as I know, Ed Burke was NEVER a street policeman, answered phones in the Youth Division, and was taken care of since day one on the job. It is a joke for him to even associate himself with being the real police. He is a politician, not a cop. BIG difference.
just leave the guns alone if drinking, and don't drive drunk.
Simple.
Listen you young kids on the job;
that old-timer with the big belly and the tired look has probably done everything you've done and more, 50 times over, and is still around. That will be you some day, if you keep your nose clean, and listen to advice from most of the been there, done that, straight up police. If you think you know better, be prepared for the pitfalls that await you.
The Feds should have taken this place over in 2002.
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