SWAT Tryouts
Someone wanted a thread on it. Here's the info we have:
- 300 applied
- around 200 or so filled out the paperwork properly
- under 50 passed the physical/firearms test
Someone said a boss or bosses attempted to find out who had passed and who had failed the shooting portion of the test for some reason or another, but it sounds like a tall tale.
Make of it what you will.
Make of it what you will.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
130 Comments:
actual numbers were:
394 applied
213 tested
46 passed both firearms/physical
Inspectors and a representative from personnel were at every firearms and physical session.
Those numbers are only slightly better than the FTO application numbers. Does anybody on this job care anymore? Looks like most coppers want to do their 8 hours and go home.
Someone want to explan what's the advantage of being assigned to SWAT? You have to buy your own gear which can cost $3k. Use your own car AND gas to travel to the burbs for training. Since you're "on call" alot of the time you can't go to the cottage in Wisconson or Indiana or Michican during the summer.
And finally, no D2 pay. WTF is the point?
what's this about an "accidental discharge" at the academy during SWAT tryouts? anyone know the real story? (happened last week)
It's all legit.
Can anyone tell us what the physical portion of the test entailed.
Who cares?
Greetings SCC!
It looks like in the CPD things are shaping up already in anticipation of the arrival of Uber Leader FBI SPecial Agent in Charge (SAC) Jody Weiss. Sounds like the SWAT tryouts were a success. They were fair and transparent and a lot folks stepped up but only a few prevailed, as it should be. Look at your recent shootings. No more protests from the Reverends, no media canard. Perhaps even Pat Hill and Rev. Jackson have been silenced as a result of knowing that finally the CPD has a Superintendant in the mold of former FBI Director Louis Freeh. Strong, Silent, Ethical, and prepared to take on crime and corruption wherever it may exist. The political tongs in Beverly and the Northwest Side will also be put in check and neutered. I think the good ship CPD is turning around right in front of our eyes. It brings a tear to this former P.O. from the deuce. I think the younger guys and hopefully new PPO's will be part of a CPD that will lead the city into the 21 st Century.
Why join SWAT? Maybe it is an urge to serve the citizenry. Maybe you want to see if you really have what its takes. If you are the man or woman you believe you are. When I have seen an Operator emerge from a criminal or terrorist stronghold with a child or other innocent who has been rescued I have an immense respect for that Operator who went the distance and more. When the question is asked "Who shall go? Whom Shall I send? It is the Operator who says "Send Me" !!!!!! The dogass says f*** dat I gotta go to my part time job at Kmart so I can pay for my beamer, my mistress or some lame private school for his/her similarly lazy and unmotivated child!
Take care guys and gals of the CPD
Former CPD All the Two's (Straight 2nd Watch)/ Working FED
....at least there's a test for it ....
I GUESS HEADQUARTERS DIDNT PASS OUT SAMPLE TEST.
FUNNY ON SOME TEST YOU CANT GET HALF THE PEOPLE TO PASS AND OTHER THE SAME PEOPLE SCORE PERFECTLY. WHAT ARE THE ODDS?
IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE A TEST 4 A SPOT YOU SHOULD GET AN UPGRADE IN PAY MAYBE NOT D2 PAY. THE CITY CAN MAKE NEW GRADES SAY D 1.5 PAY.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF KNOW ONE APPLIED? WOULD DANA JUMP IN HIS RIDE AND HANDLE TERRORIST HIMSELF WITH GRAU AS BACK UP.
REMINDS ME OF THAT ET TEST A WHILE BACK. THE CITY CHANGED THE SCORES TO GET THE CLOUT PEOPLE IN BY SAYING THE ARE GETTING RID OF 4 QUESTION BECAUSE THEY WERE UNFAIR.
CHANGING THE LIST ORDER DRASTICALLY. THE FOP DIDNT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT EITHER.
good thing they dumped 16 guys from swat 2 weeks before they held try outs. then they bring 4 guys back. so theres still 12 guys that were on the team but a funny new rule comes out, that if you have more than 9 cr's in the last five years you cant be on the team??? and this comes out after the guys, the city, and homeland security dumps thousands of dollars into each guy on training & equipment! oh and of course Dana needed to know the "make up" of the team right before he dumped everyone!!! it will never be a legit team or program!
Ray "I can do it ALL" Edwards failed yet again...Keep telling us you're better Ray Ray....Maybe someday we'll be senile...and believe you Squidboy!
-SWAT guy
Do you really think all the guys who were dumped a few mos.back are gonna be passed over? city spent bookoo $'s training them and lt.wants them back,to all who tried out "thanks for coming"
Can anyone tell us what the physical portion of the test entailed.
12/29/2007 06:14:00 AM
yes...like all the other specialized units...that is picking up your phone and calling your clout.
d2a pay for swat will be in the next contract we have more training than the k 9 ets mobile unit , mounted unit etc
Who really gives a shit?
This is legit boys! Can't whine and hide behind your keyboard now. Did you pass? Did you take the test?
Anonymous said...
It's all legit.
12/29/2007 05:40:00 AM
Swat tryouts are legit...you can't hide now.
46 passed?? All these super men and 46 passed?
How many on the job...10,000+/- ?
and 46 passed. The way these he-men talk on this blog..you'd think over 9000 would pass.
Or do they just talk?
Guys who had a good shot at passing, a LOT of guys who had a good shot at passing didn't even test. And no, it wasn't because of the lack of 'perks," or even because the test wasn't legit, it was because the department is going to fuck up SWAT with their bullshit political agendas. SWAT had a chance at being the real deal, wasn't there yet but it was on it's way, but the writing's already on the wall...
Someone want to explan what's the advantage of being assigned to SWAT? You have to buy your own gear which can cost $3k. Use your own car AND gas to travel to the burbs for training. Since you're "on call" alot of the time you can't go to the cottage in Wisconson or Indiana or Michican during the summer.
And finally, no D2 pay. WTF is the point?
12/29/2007 03:01:00 AM
When i get up in the morning and put on my SWAT gear and look in the mirror "I LOOK MARVALOUS"
o can't forget the hair gel and body lotion
actual numbers were:
394 applied
213 tested
46 passed both firearms/physical
Inspectors and a representative from personnel were at every firearms and physical session.
12/28/2007 11:18:00 PM
Can we get a brake down of white and black of the applied,tested and passed ?
The powers that be are getting worried, because it appears that a lot of officers might actually make this team with-out clout or a phone call. That's not the CPD way!! BY the way, congrats to clout heavy Sgt. W.C. from 005 who already has been moved up to Det. Sgt.!! Man I wish I had clout like that guy.
Can anyone tell us what the physical portion of the test entailed.
12/29/2007 06:14:00 AM
40 push ups in a minute or less
40 sit ups in a minute or less
1.5 mile run 13 minutes or less
Carry a swat shield and a bag for a half block and grab a dummy and drag it for another block or half block (I don't rememeber the time)
If you did over the 40 or the faster you ran for the run and the dummy drag, you got more points.
the physical portion was 40 sit ups in a min, 40 push-ups in a min, and mile and a half run in under 12 mins.
Do you really think Israel will send their athletes here if we had the old HBT team guys??
Do you believe the Olympic Committee will approve Chicago with the retards we have now??
You dont think that foriegn countries intelligence services are not laughing at CPD SWAT??
CPD needs a REAL SWAT team if they want the Olypmics here.
Juice babies,political hacks please save your phone calls til after the Olympics.
"Someone want to explan what's the advantage of being assigned to SWAT?"
Chicks dig it at Dougans.
under 50 passed the physical/firearms test
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That's it??!! In a department of 13,500 less than 50 can pass the SWAT run/shoot?? ek.
As many pushups as one can do in one minutes- minimum 40. Situps in a minute- minimum 40 (I believe) - and the mile and a half as fast as you can-- more points for each second shorter than the minumum- not sure what that was.
I was one of the guys that applied but stopped.The reason I stopped the process was the cost. I don't have three grand to spend on equipment.I thought I might have to spend a little on uniforms, but three grand is way too much.The department should have to pay for this equipment not the guys, I have a mortgage that is more important for crying out loud!
MY FRIEND FROM THE AIR FORCE AND IS A P.O. FOR SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA. HE IS ASSIGNED TO THEIR SWAT TEAM, HE RECEIVES MORE MONEY, EXCELLENT TRAINING AND THE SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA POLICE PAID FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT. AND YES NO POLITICS.
Good luck to all that passed
rumor is d2 pay in the next contract
AND DON'T FORGET ABOUT BEING DUMPED AT ANYTIME FOR ANY REASON
ASK ALL THE NEWLY DUMPED SWAT GUYS WHO PAID FOR ALL THE GEAR TO HAVE THE ASSHOLE COMMANDER GREEN DUMP
THEM. IF SWAT WAS D-2 THEN YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO BE DUMPED FOR CAUSE.
SOS GUY
The physical was 40 sit-ups in 60 seconds, 40 push-ups in 60 seconds and a mile and half run in under 13 minutes. The more you did beyond the minimum requirement, the more points you accumulated towards overall scoring in comparison to everyone else.
Everyone went individually-except for the run. You had a spotter for positive count and a spotter for negitive count as well as an inspector, the other participants and the SWAT guys themselves. If at any point you failed to meet the minimum requirement you were finished and asked to leave right then and there. No bullshit, no phone calls, no where to hide.
If you didn't shoot the 80% or better you were done. If you shot well but couldn't knock out the push-ups, sit-ups and run you were done. It was not only a legit process but a mentally challenging one as well.
After meeting those expectations, each memeber was then invited to a board style interview with the commander, the SWAT coordinator and an FBI agent. The interview was recorded and your answers were timed-exactly 3 minutes per answer.
I hope they incorporate this type of selections for other positions on this job. It was all about ability, remaining cool under pressure and desire. Who would of thought of such a process?
The physical test consisted of being able to do 40 push-ups in 60 seconds or less, 40 sit-ups also in 60 seconds or less, and running a mile and a half in 13 minutes or less.
Those numbers are only slightly better than the FTO application numbers. Does anybody on this job care anymore? Looks like most coppers want to do their 8 hours and go home.
12/29/2007 12:41:00 AM
NO SHIT! Why would you want to "go above and beyond" anymore? To get sold out by the Dept/City? Bust your ass doing police work so your boss can look good and take credit for what you have done? God forbid if something goes wrong, that same boss is the first to hang you out to dry! Arrest = $! ie. the more arrests, the more court time, the more overtime, which means the more chance to catch a few deviations, and god forbid CR's! Morale is in the shitter, and the list goes on and on...
Those numbers are only slightly better than the FTO application numbers. Does anybody on this job care anymore? Looks like most coppers want to do their 8 hours and go home.
Days are going, look at cops getting pulled from the streets to work the desk...FTO name 10 good FTO's in the city....Go ahead
yeah try out and you'll see
I heard some things:
At the interview the G seems to be the only responsive people in the room. Meaning Commander Green seems bothered he is there and has to do this. Professional? Not!
Heard you have to buy your own AMMO for the test 300 plus rounds or something......seems if you really want SWAT and god bless ya.....you have to invest in a lot of stuff besides the ammo.
It seems SWAT needs to be done RIGHT, but nobody seems to agree on how much $ or time to allow the proper personnel the training. (don't want to cut into the POD budget now do we!)
If it becomes a real SWEET spot (Training working out take home cars D2 etc) then the politics come ionto play again. People want the power and the $ as well as the prestige. Whether one guy is better than another......... Who's to say? Tobias? Green? J.P? Some Alderman or Reverend? Daley?
Its funny how SWAT is a microcosm of how goofy and messed up this whole police department is with politics and issues of experience and qualifications or even maturity. Every unit and SWEET spot or inside gig seems to have "never did nothings, screwballs, unqualified and political people" not to mention the fat and out of shape grumpy ones, running them. Did someonme say RESUMES?
"You have to buy your own gear which can cost $3k. Use your own car AND gas to travel to the burbs for training. Since you're "on call" alot of the time you can't go to the cottage in Wisconson or Indiana or Michican during the summer.
And finally, no D2 pay. WTF is the point?
12/29/2007 03:01:00 AM"
But Brother, it's the opportunity to be clicked-on & fully rigged out.
You don't know how fully charged your loins can get while decked out as an armored-plated mutant ninja turtle.
Man, that's what being CPD SWAT is all About!! HUT,HUT HUT...
"Can anyone tell us what the physical portion of the test entailed.
12/29/2007 06:14:00 AM"
How long you can stay crouched underneath a desk w/o out the use of kneepads...
Are these tryouts just a front to get "clouted" people in anyway?? Is this actually going to be 100% "no clout" legit? Hmmm. Guess we'll have to wait and see. I appreciate why the unit is there but I just can't see it NOT being "clout" related even with all of this b.s. that's been going on.
Say what you want about the CPD, for years it has been THE law enforcement agency in the State. Forget about the suburban departments, the ISP, the CCSP or anybody else. If you wanted to be known as the "real deal", the you had to join the CPD. Lately however, I've noticed the new Sheriff , this Dart fella, on tv more and more. I've also noticed more retired CPD bosses on the CCSP. Is it possible that the CCSP is about to upstage the CPD and become THE new premier L/E agency in the State of Illinois? Is it possible that these same bosses recognize a sinking ship when they see one and are abandoning ship or is it just me being delusional again?
"Someone want to explan what's the advantage of being assigned to SWAT? You have to buy your own gear which can cost $3k. Use your own car AND gas to travel to the burbs for training. Since you're "on call" alot of the time you can't go to the cottage in Wisconson or Indiana or Michican during the summer.
And finally, no D2 pay. WTF is the point?"
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1) Pride in one's work,
2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
3) Going to the cottage has never made anyone better at their job.
Piss off man, do your own thing but don't ever try to take away from officers that go above what is expected of them.
Hope that answers your question.
Seems to me that 03:01AM is totally right. Plus, it seems that this type of I'd be willing to buy and do all this stuff myself to be a SWAT guy would only bring out the true "Cop Fan" Cops among us. The kind of personnel who are young, inexperienced, and all too easily impressed with the title of "I'm SWAT". Who needs it? Gimmie some crusty old veterans with .357 Magnums, .45's and Shotguns, with lots of experience working rough neighborhoods any day, as opposed to young whizz-kids who are dumb enough to fall for the B.S. politics of this place again. If I'm in deep doo-doo, send me some real, pre-90's, before P.C; Vets who know what the fuck to do when the sh*t hits the fan.
"physical portion of da swat test" entails seeing how far you can pull your pud
"100 men will test today, but.."
Oooops, thats a different outfit!!
i know that jedry from 008 tried out and made it so far. best shooter in the city.
I forgot to bring hair gel and designer jeans so they sent me packing.
The physical consisted of a minimum 40 push-ups in a minute, 40sit-ups in a minute and a mile and a half run in 13:00 minutes or less. Candidates received a 1/2 point for every sit-up and push-up over 40 and 1 point for every 20 seconds under 13:00 minutes.
That score was added to the firearms qualification in which candidates received 5 points for every round over the minimum 80% to qualify. Candidates were then ranked in order based on their score.
Anyone have the names of who passed?
Who the hell wants to spend the extra cash to be called SWAT?!?!?!
WTF!!!!!!!
An instructor had an accidental discharge in his pants while in the academy washrooms after seeing Seiser's Gun!
First of all to clear any building rumors. The test was remarkably legit! Watched by everyone from inspectors, Lt's and Sgt.'s to a civilian testing coordinator and numerous p.o's. The test was conducted in an open forum with all details published weeks ahead of time. Both shooting and physical expectations were spelled out and readily obtainable for those interested in preparing. Congrats to those who passed and thank you to those who tried. I hope those who were there can attest to the tests legitimacy. As far as who would want to do the job.....
Quite frankly you're right! The job has little for benefits in a lot of ways. All your points were true which leads me to believe that the reason is because that's the work these officers enjoy. It's not for everyone for many reasons and you sure can't be in it for all the perks so hopefully people will see that this isn't some good ol boys club for phone call cops. It's sorta nice to see a group of officers who earn the right to be somewhere that isn't even that great to be.
The A.D. was true. It occurred on the last line of the last day at the academy and was actually accidental. The officer was holstering his weapon and snagged the trigger on the thumb break. No harm no foul; at least no one was hurt.
The physical as spelled out in the Department Notice went as follows. Minimum of 40 push-ups in a minute. Minimum of 40 sit-ups in a minute.
Mile an a half run in 13 min or better. Again this portion was witnessed by Lt.'s, Sgt.', Inspectors, civilian test coordinator and numerous p.o's.
Say what you want about the CPD, for years it has been THE law enforcement agency in the State. Forget about the suburban departments, the ISP, the CCSP or anybody else. If you wanted to be known as the "real deal", the you had to join the CPD. Lately however, I've noticed the new Sheriff , this Dart fella, on tv more and more. I've also noticed more retired CPD bosses on the CCSP. Is it possible that the CCSP is about to upstage the CPD and become THE new premier L/E agency in the State of Illinois? Is it possible that these same bosses recognize a sinking ship when they see one and are abandoning ship or is it just me being delusional again?
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your delusional.. ive worked for sherrifs police and the best thing about the sherrifs police is dart. all of the towns are starting to take in land and the county jurisdiction is limited to mostly forest prserves in the south except for a trailor park here and there in justice and nice homes in lemont. the north has nothing but big unincorperated apartment complexes with wanna be gangbangers.. the gang teams for the county are nick named the warrant confirmers because all they use to do was run there name on the air and get a warrant and then high five eachother for 10 minutes. many fantastic guys and very friendly coppers for the county... but definitly not the real police.
d2a pay for swat will be in the next contract we have more training than the k 9 ets mobile unit , mounted unit etc
12/29/2007 10:33:00 AM
slow the fuck down cowboy, put another dvd in and fuck yourself in the ass. cl
"2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
3) Going to the cottage has never made anyone better at their job.
Piss off man, do your own thing but don't ever try to take away from officers that go above what is expected of them"
You keep telling yourself that Officer Delusional.
You think running around w/a Ballistic Shield& a mini-14 somehow makes better than the P.O. pushing a beat car& putting it on the line each day?
I applaud the Officer w/the Cottage. He/She has things in perspective& knows his priorities in Life.
This is a Job,nothing more.
"That score was added to the firearms qualification in which candidates received 5 points for every round over the minimum 80% to qualify. Candidates were then ranked in order based on their score."
BUT WHAT WAS THE RACIAL MAKEUP OF THOSE WHO PASSED? Then we'll see if politics comes into play or not....
Maybe a re-test?
""d2a pay for swat will be in the next contract we have more training than the k 9 ets mobile unit , mounted unit etc""
More $$$ for everyone but those who go out and handle all the jobs day in and day out. Great. Just Great.
Anonymous said...
"Someone want to explan what's the advantage of being assigned to SWAT? You have to buy your own gear which can cost $3k. Use your own car AND gas to travel to the burbs for training. Since you're "on call" alot of the time you can't go to the cottage in Wisconson or Indiana or Michican during the summer.
And finally, no D2 pay. WTF is the point?"
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1) Pride in one's work,
2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
3) Going to the cottage has never made anyone better at their job.
Piss off man, do your own thing but don't ever try to take away from officers that go above what is expected of them.
Hope that answers your question.
12/29/2007 04:18:00 PM
Ok tough guy go get em! WTF! Your as dumb as the day is long! I would rather give that money to my kids for college,so they get good grades,take the proper courses and do not turn out joining the cpd where dummies in college end up!
Anonymous said...
d2a pay for swat will be in the next contract we have more training than the k 9 ets mobile unit , mounted unit etc
12/29/2007 10:33:00 AM
Wow! your my hero cowboy! keep swat and anything else that pays the same! What kind of idiot would shell out 3K+ for nothing? Yea graet we are the first into dangerous situations, yea that is really a cool job! Asswipe!
THAT KOOL AIDE MUST BE STRONG D2 PAY FOR SWAT.
NEXT TIME YOU SWAT AGENTS NEED TO GO TO FOP MEETINGS AND BE HEARD.
EVERYONE ELSE CONSIDERS YOU PEOPLE A TACT TEAM THAT DOESNT MAKE ARREST.
THE FTO'S DESERVE THE PAY BUMP YOU GUYS CAN WEAR THE FATIGUES AND PRETEND YOU REALLY ARE GOING TO SHOOT SOMEONE WITH A BEAN BAG GUN.
FOP DOESNT KNOW SWAT EXIST!
Oh yea 9pm?
Remember when Robie Bechwel(?) said
WOOOOOO!! during his broadcast last week? Ch 7 spread a rumor that a car crashed thru that stupid glass they installed so the idiot public can gawk at the newscasters.
Actually SEISER walked by in a sleeveless t-shirt in the cold a Robie got a look at his triceps!!
Message to "working Fed:" Your FBI "SWAT TEAM" abandoned one of our own, Joseph Airhart, several years ago, bailing out of a South Loop apt., only to "re-emerge" as a "SWAT TEAM" and "rescue" Joe. All they had to do was finish the bastard that nailed Joe in the head, but they tucked tail and ran out of the apt. while Joe was lying on the floor for over 2 hrs. with a head wound, something no CPD officer would EVER do to a wounded comrade. I don't hate you for jumping ship, "working Fed," IF it works for you. But don't for a second believe that the "Fed Way" is always the "Best Way." If you truly believe that, you need to go have a conversation with the Airhart family.
Anonymous said...
This is legit boys! Can't whine and hide behind your keyboard now. Did you pass? Did you take the test?
12/29/2007 10:39:00 AM
Couldn't test too many CR#'s!
The dogass says f*** dat I gotta go to my part time job at Kmart so I can pay for my beamer, my mistress or some lame private school for his/her similarly lazy and unmotivated child!
Take care guys and gals of the CPD
Former CPD All the Two's (Straight 2nd Watch)/ Working FED
12/29/2007 08:04:00 AM
I've never had a problem with your pontificating and using the title of "former" CPD and "Working" Fed, but you can go fuck yourself if you believe this diarrhea that ran out of your brain and onto the keyboard. I'm a dogass if I work a side job to cover my kids school instead of try to be an "operator"? There are people that are suited for that position and I'm straight up not one of them. I am however, very suited for other spots and above all, I love being the police. I don't need some bullshit "working" or "real" qualifier on my title.
with fucking idiot walter green,
and his stooge ball having anything to do with it i feel real sorry for the current group of swat guys. msybe the new guy in town after he launches starks will do the favor of lauching green and ball so long assholes i hope you enjoyed it now suck my balls
a swat guy
Here's the million dollar question:
If you pass the tests and are assigned to the unit is it still considered a management spot? Can they dump you just because they don't like you or you have a disagreement with a boss or is it like passing the detective test and being assigned as a detective?
I sure wouldn't like to spend all that time and money only to be dumped for no apparent reason a month later, kinda like the other guys.
1) Pride in one's work,
2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
Etc..................
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YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO LEARN MY FRIEND. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS JOB IS ABOUT. CHECK BACK IN IN ABOUT 8 YEARS......
If you pass the tests and are assigned to the unit is it still considered a management spot? Can they dump you just because they don't like you or you have a disagreement with a boss ...
12/30/2007 02:00:00 AM
ummm..yes and when they do..you will join us ELITE members in patrol.
Was the test legit?
If so, where are the results?
Only when the Department starts publicly posting the results of its testing process will there be any integrity to the process.
Now that we have a Fed running the Department there will be a new test added to the SWAT tryouts.
Scenario:
You have entered a room and one of your fellow Operators has been shot in the head by the bad guy.
How fast can you bust ass out of that room while leaving your fellow Operator to bleed to death?
Additional points will be given for knocking over any fellow operators on your way out of the room.
Detective Airhart will not be forgotten.
"Your FBI "SWAT TEAM" abandoned one of our own, Joseph Airhart, several years ago, bailing out of a South Loop apt., only to "re-emerge" as a "SWAT TEAM" and "rescue" Joe."
Nice try Bitch, Airhart was left to die by none other than SUPT. TERRY HILLARD. HIS FINEST MOMENT AS MAN MARINE& HUMAN BEING CAME ON THE DAY HE LEFT JOE IN THAT APARTMENT BLEEDING TO DEATH.
YOU NEED TO CHECK YOURSELF& YOUR FACTS IN A HURRY, PUNK!!
STILL WAITING FOR JOE'S BENEFIT TERRY, PUT ME DOWN FOR 10 TIX.
1) Pride in one's work,
2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
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actually, it only puts you better than the top 1% of the 250 who took the test. there are plenty of people around here who could qualify and didn't take the test.
Nothing wrong at all for anyone trying out for the SWAT team. Good on the resume. Great training, so I hear. My message is to the SWAT guys, and it's a simple one. DON'T FORGET WHERE YOU COME FROM. Yes, you're "SWAT" and not everyone can do what you do as a team, but never forget that your brothers in patrol handle many potential SWAT incidents in those marked patrol cars, EVERY DAY. For every barricaded or potential terrorist incident you are actually REQUIRED to suit up for, dozens more across the city have been professionally dealt with by patrol units and Bomb & Arson. Many of us are proud of what you do, and are glad you're there, AS A BACKUP, because in the end, that is what you are.
Signed,
The FIRST responders
Can we get a brake down of white and black of the applied,tested and passed ?
12/29/2007 11:23:00 AM
Why the fuck would you want a break down of the ethnicity of the people that took the test? You lettered in DoucheBaggery in High School I bet.
How many on the job...10,000+/- ?
and 46 passed. The way these he-men talk on this blog..you'd think over 9000 would pass.
Or do they just talk?
12/29/2007 10:43:00 AM
You gotta be an F'in IDIOT!! To get a true number, look at how many showed up for the process and how many passed. There may be 10,000 on this department, but you are assuming EVERYONE applied??? The way I look at it, 213 tested and 46 passed both parts. Get your head outta your ass!!
Good Luck To All!!
BE SAFE!
"Why join SWAT? Maybe it is an urge to serve the citizenry."
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Maybe its an urge to stand around some b.s. domestic "standoff" with one person in a house threatening himself with a knife and 46 heavily armed P.O.'s standing around a command post for 50 hours until the fool gets so damn hungry he just comes out.
Maybe its an urge to think you're a hero when you don't do anything.
" It was not only a legit process but a mentally challenging one as well."
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You're mentally challenged.
I forgot to bring hair gel and designer jeans so they sent me packing.
12/29/2007 05:47:00 PM
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I did too! But I tapered my levi's really quick and stencilled "PINK" across the ass and I got in.
we won't be getting dumped once we receive our d2 pay in the next contract we receive a uniform allowance and don't mind spending it to be part of the SWAT team
remember when you need help we'll be there for you
That's it,40 push-ups and 40 sit-ups, and a short run? You have got to be joking. It should be 100 pushups & situps and a 5 mile run in full equipment, on a hot day. About as military a requirement as the 3 Stooges.
To the swat guy asking how come 2,000 p.o.'s didnt take the swat tryout, maybe because when swat was an clout position only(not open testing) and guys qualified to be in swat didnt have a phone call to be in the unit and are now pass their prime or in a different position within the department and have no interest in swat now.
I am still willing to bet that those officer who passed the tryouts will be asked who their phone call is and will be assigned to the unit on the weight of said phone call. I interviewed for special unit several years ago, and during the interview with the commanding officer of the unit he said I was as good as in, but I needed a phone call to be in the unit. A lt. straight out in my face told me I needed a phone call yo be in the unit. So do I believe the swat process will be in the up and up, not in a hundred years.
Anonymous said...
under 50 passed the physical/firearms test
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That's it??!! In a department of 13,500 less than 50 can pass the SWAT run/shoot?? ek.
Unless 13,500 took the test your math is as relavant as crime stats
Message to the "working fed". The day Det Airhart was shot, you guys pissed your pants. Face it, you boys are scared of your own shadow. You broke the number 1 rule of going into battle. Never ever leave a man on the battlefield. You left our Detective lying on the floor for 2 hours. Had this been a CPD only event. I am positive the outcome would have been much different. Unlike you wimps, We(CPD) don't flee a shooting and run to get our ballistic shields and rifles. So don't think you are top gun just beacuse you are fbi.
Bring back the "Old Swat Team" Two pissed off wagon guys that are tired of waiting!!!
I don't hate you for jumping ship, "working Fed," IF it works for you. But don't for a second believe that the "Fed Way" is always the "Best Way."
REPSONSE!
Guy/Gal as much a you don't hate me for jumping ship, I respect you for your service to the citizenry. You would never read me saying that the FED way is so great. Honestly you would be surprised by the amount of law suits federal agencies get hit with for unfair employment practices. Federal agents (except FEEB and US Secret Service Agents) were awarded damages as part of a Fair Labor Standards Act lawsuit for the time they were not compensated when working overtime. SO no the FED way is not some great path to Kharma and Nirvana. I went FED because of three issues: More Pay, No Residency, and because I didn't have the juice to make Detective. If I could have made what I make now I wouldn't have left the job. I have a ton of respect for the working coppers of the CPD. I abhor the political nonsense that the various interest groups and political tongs impose on working CPD coppers. By the way the new Homeland Security Supremo is a former State and Local Officer. I believe his entry into DHS will result in more common sense leadership and effective enforcement of immigration laws. I wasn't there during the Airhart shooting, so I can't comment on that. When I was on the job from 1985 until 1992, I saw a lot of gruesome stuff coppers did to each other, so lets not cast stones Papi/Mamita. And trust me the FBI SWAT Team was not involved in coppers damaging other coppers.
Guys/Gals take it easy and stay safe.
Former CPD All the Two's Beat Car Driver/ Working FED
i was considering on giving it a whirl but when i found out that i could not get away with going my whole tour without wearing my shoes i said to myself i will just finish my 37 years in the park car and listen to all the backlogs. the day i spend $3000.oo on uniforms is the day i answer two jobs during my tour. so when i see the swat vehicle fly by me lights and siren while in my cruiser i will give a thumbs up and say go get'em D1 -$3,000.00 cowboys.
To 12/29/2007 12:38:00 PM
How about you use "Christmas tree lights" as your blog nickname------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------because you really aren't very bright.
To all of you guys who are busting the feds over Joe Airhardt, remember one thing. We too left him bleeding in that aparment. He was our guy in our city. Our guys were on the scene as well as the FBI. You can call it a federal operation all you want but the bottom line is that we also could have done something and we didn't. I don't kow if our failure to act was an act of cowardice on the part of the exempts on the scene or their complete lack of faith in HBT but whatever it was we are just as responsible as the FBI for what happened to Joe. BTW, I'm not placing ANY blame on HBT or any blue shirt out there. The blame belongs on Hillard and Co.!
there were alot more cpd on scene than fbi...how come cpd didn't go get JA if the fbi is a bunch of sissy's....and dont say..we NEVER got the order to rescue!!! A MAN WAS DOWN!!!!!!
This "working FED" guy is a working tool, you worked the deuce on days....big f-ing deal. You are where you belong. If you look throught the last twenty or so years, the FEDs have screwed up more than the CPD. Their ineptness has also led to many unnecessary deaths. So please, take your pompous rear and leave us alone.
Still 20% management, right?????????
That's why Bosse never opened it up to testing, he hand picked his guys.
Word is that EDWARDS is going to be waived in because he can shoot better than ALL current SWAT members? Also heard in SFG is that his favorite USMC former TRU Sgt FH is going to be waived in too. Neither passed the physical, but BOTH are USMC. SWAT needs Marine snipers. These two fit Green's bill.
Say what you want Army pukes, but in the END the Marines always come out on top!!! You don't know who you're dealing with? HOO RAH Marines!!!
"don't mind spending it to be part of the SWAT team
remember when you need help we'll be there for you
12/30/2007 01:51:00 PM"
As will we when it comes to doing the paper, transporting your arrestee to the Lock-up or the Hospital & sitting on him day& night if need be.
Forget about the suburban departments, the ISP, the CCSP or anybody else. If you wanted to be known as the "real deal", the you had to join the CPD.
I laugh everytime I hear someone say this..."The Real Deal" "The Real Police". So if your not CPD your not the "Real Police"? CCSP who deal with all the B.S. in the jails UNARMED, are not "Real Police"? Suburban coppers are not the "real police"? C'mon the uniform you wear does not make you "The Real Police" its your mind set and how you do the job that makes you the Police.If you do not walk around with Police t- shirts all the time making sure everyone knows who you are, bragging about about how many dope and gun pinches you have made to anyone who will listen, and bad mouth P.O.'s who are not as "busy" as you, but instead go to work,do the job the way it's supposed to be done and go home ,those are the "Real Police". With that said..... be safe
Still 20% management, right?????????
That's why Bosse never opened it up to testing, he hand picked his guys.
12/30/2007 10:47:00 PM
Bosses gone and there is no 20%. So get your sweats on and show what you got.
Couldn't test too many CR#'s!
12/30/2007 12:36:00 AM
That's fair...I could see that!
That's it??!! In a department of 13,500 less than 50 can pass the SWAT run/shoot?? ek.
Unless 13,500 took the test your math is as relavant as crime stats
12/30/2007 03:51:00 PM
Don't know how many tested. But there are thousands that whine on this blog. The 46 that passed aren't whining. Something finally is legit..like passing the test. Now what...find something else to whine about? Again, the 46 that passed aren't whining.
There are so many unqualified on the job...it's mind boggling.
Anyone who was on the scene when Joe Airhart was shot would know that many, many CPD officers were on the scene, including SOS, but were ordered to stand down, as the whole op was an FBI Task Force investigation into numerous bank robberies committed by the offender. Because the FBI was the lead investigative unit, Hillard allowed them to control it to the end. I don't think such an incident would happen today, with our own SWAT Team, and (hopefully) tact & gang teams that are now ballistic shield trained, and (again, hopefully) have the shields on the street, in their cars.
ohh! ooh! Mr Green can I be a swat guy! please! Can i get d-1 pay and train hard and buy all my own equipment? can I be first one in on dangerous scenes? WTF! Are you idiots goofy? Same pay what is the incentive? NONE! The 1st and the 16th is all that counts the hero shit in this city what are you smoking?
There was two major problems with Airharts shooting.1. The "sniper" did not know who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. He did NOT know airhart and did not have a clear enough view of either guy bleeding and sitting on the floor. 2. When Hillard asked E.Fred Bosse if the sniper bullet could pass through the bad guys head, E. Fred said, "yes boss and through the wall, and possiblily through the ballistic blankets used to shield the awaiting CPD HBT teams. Once Hilliard heard that, it was over. Bottom line, NEVER work with the FEDS. They brought you Ruby Ridge and Waco.
1) Pride in one's work,
2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
You are retarded. Congrats on passing the test, but you are not better then 99% of the force. If only 213 tested you are only better then those who tested. Just because you can shoot 80% and meet very mediocre physical requirements
doesn't mean your a 1percenter. Dude get over yourself, I haven't heard that something that arrogant since my academy gym teacher told us he was 1percenter(tatics,skill,etc), but failed to make me feel pain when demonstrating pain compliance techniques on me. Sweet.
Wondering what that $3k is for in training equipment??
http://video.aol.com/video-category/swat/102952
I say fuck these "ABC, SWAT, TRU" teams!!!!!!!
Bring back the ole TASK FORCE...now that was the way to go
per the order 20% can be merit but they have to come from the top 25 qualifiers anyways. its still BS but at least they will be able to shot and are fit.
I was present during of the fit testing and was very impressed with most of the 46 who passed.
As for why do swat? its not for everyone and those of us who really want it, it is a very gratifying assignment. For the record most guys on swat have the highest regard for working police because most of us were at one time. We are no better than anyone working a beet car but we do recieve more training and have better equipment. If you look across the country we are finally cathing up with the rest of the tactical community. I was HBT and will be the first admit that is was a joke. We have come along way in the last 3 years and will continue to improve because its somthing we enjoy and take pride in. City-wide tryouts was a great step forward and was welcomed by the current swat guys.
for the guys currently on swat whose heart isnt in it get out because we dont want you.
Its getting pretty disheartening to see all the negativity and insults being thrown in every direction. Arent we all on the same team here? Can a major police department truly function efficiently without not only the 'dog ass' beat cops as well as the 'hair gel green pajama' SWAT operators? I dont want to process a crime scene for prints so the ET's do it. We're bordered by a lake so we absolutely need a marine unit as well. If someone planted a bomb somewhere, would you want to try to disarm it? Of course not, not unless you're a bomb tech and it isnt like we can say '911 center, whats your emergency? a bomb you say? yeah, that sounds dangerous.. I dont think we're gonna handle that one.'
Im sure this is either going to fall on deaf ears, or I'll get the smart ass comments, which is fine as well, but we need to remember that we are all on the same team here, and its a team that needs all of its members to realize that no one is better than anyone else just because theyre assigned differently or even because they hold a higher rank. After all, a Commander cant command if he's got no patrolmen.
Back to the SWAT tryouts. I thought it was great that so many people tried out and I wish there were more. To those that passed, be proud of yourselves, it wasnt the easy testing that people thought it'd be based on the requirements. To those that didnt, dont let that stop you from training and trying out again when the give the testing again. The first two parts (shooting and physical fitness) were very legit as far as I could tell.. unless they had some secret tryouts that people were specifically scheduled for aside from everyone else, I dont see how anyone got a leg up on anyone else based on who they knew. I dont see that happening with the inspectors that were there and the fact that they were inventorying every target shot and keeping a copy of every result written down (as well as giving you your duplicate copy).
Now there is also the 'oral interview' which will be graded and added to your score. I hope its as legit as the first two parts but being subjective, there will be room for a bit of argument.
Now for whoever wants to know the racial makeup of those that passed the test so far:
46 passed
12 black
14 white
17 hispanic
2 asain
9 jewish
22 belonged to HAPA
16 married
28 divorced (5 twice, 1 three times)
45 male
1 female
46 liked women
but seriously... who really cares? (oh, and I made every one of those numbers up, for the record) If every single one was black or hispanic or white, or green for that matter, what difference would it make if the testing process was all above board. Im all for diversity on the department but when it comes to specialized units, dont you want the most qualified person handling the situation when the shit hits the fan? Why say 'theres too many hispanics on the SWAT team, we need more whites' or 'Its all men, lets put a woman on the team'? If you justify diversity for diversity's sake you inherently take a racist standpoint. It the equivalent of saying, "this less qualified individual is getting this positon because of the color of his skin". That is simply not acceptable when public safety is concerned.
back to this lack of team attitude on the job nowadays..
I dont fault the guy thats been fed up with the BS on the dept and is fine with just pushing a beat car until his 29 and a day is up. I would say to him that if you dont like doing your job, find another one. Thats the same advice I'd give anyone in any occupation. Why would you want to sit for 8 hours a day (thats a third of your day, 6 days a week) doing something you dont like doing? And if there's someone that actually enjoys doing the job, why would you try to dissuade him from doing it or enjoying it? Is he stupid for enjoying police work or is the jaded old timer stupid for staying in a job that he doesnt want to do?
The 'dog ass' wants to make fun of the 'hair gel police', the 'hard working beat cop' has a problem with the 'elite SWAT operator' and by and large, everyone has problems with the supervisors. We give the media and the general public so much ammunition, not only here on this site but in the countless occasions that we 'step on our dicks' and then when they use this ammunition against us, we not only get pissed off about it but we sell out our brothers and sisters in blue. If any of you has fathers and mothers that were on the job, ask them if things were any different back in their day. You might be surprised at their take on the subject.
Enough rambling though, no one is going to find any answers here. I want to leave everyone with a simple, "Happy New Year" and most importantly, whether you're out there chasing gangbangers or you're writing your movers and parkers, or you're so fed up you're not doing either, Be Safe and go home to your loved ones!
God Bless.
This "working FED" guy is a working tool, you worked the deuce on days....big f-ing deal. You are where you belong. If you look throught the last twenty or so years, the FEDs have screwed up more than the CPD. Their ineptness has also led to many unnecessary deaths. So please, take your pompous rear and leave us alone.
12/30/2007 10:25:00 PM
Amen Brother! I'm tired of this washed up, sell out, fed preaching tool-if I may borrow your description-telling us how great the fed is. Eat dick loser! The fed has all the same politics of this department, pathetic loser, dog asses and sniveling fleebs as anywhere else. What makes him special? He likes to pretend he's agent Starling stalking Buffalo Bill. Hey 222, it puts the lotion in the basket...TOOL!!!
WTF? Sgt Hughes wasn't able to qualify?...I thought he was a Marine sniper?
-swat operator
Anonymous said...
"don't mind spending it to be part of the SWAT team
remember when you need help we'll be there for you
12/30/2007 01:51:00 PM
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15 YEARS IN GHETTO DISTRICTS. HAVN'T NEEDED YOUR HELP YET. HANDLED IT ON SCENE. IN A TIMELY MANNER...WE HAVE GUNS TOO YOU KNOW.
name 10 good FTO's in the city....Go ahead
12/29/2007 03:27:00
015 tierny
015 stefonec
015 santiago
024 caraballo
012 leblick
007 ski
u can name some more but theres at least a few up there who do the job everyday and are worth three stripes that the'll never see !!!
Swat doesn't deserve D2 pay. They're not used very often and most of the time they get to work out and get paid their regular salary. I am a detective who spends more than half my life in court and the remainder at work. I work out on my own time when I can. The department doesn't pay me to work out, they pay me to put people in jail. If SWAT wants to D2 pay then they should only receive it when they're actually doing their SWAT stuff, which is standing around for hours on end at a scene that has already been secured by patrol division personnel waiting for the MOE to get tired or hungry and then surrender...do us a favor a be a police officer instead a Ninja turtle standing in a circle with the rest of the Ninja Turtles crying about not getting paid more money for doing less than a beat officer.
ONCE AGAIN RAY E QUITS AND CAN"T HACK IT. Once a quitter always a quitter. How you live with yourself is beyond me. Go change your tampon and I don't ever wanna hear about you being a Marine. You couldn't hack it there so you left. And you can't even hack it as a P.O.. I ever hear you say anything about the Marines again in my presence you will be getting a code red for sure. You don't even deserve to be in ones presence. Just once again proves the weak can be easily weeded out. Have fun pushing your beat car wannabe. Keep talking your bs and pretending.
Swat? Wow! Is that like a soldier? No! Do you get more pay? No! hmm but you get to spend more of your money for shit equipment that would better be used to help your family in this overtaxed city correct! You go into major scenes first! Yea that is incentive in itself! You get the girls with your bullshit war stories? Priceless! Another city jagball unit without any incentive yea I wanna be Swat! Not!
I am a detective who spends more than half my life in court and the remainder at work.
Hey, Serpico, you forgot your 3 hour lunches, OTB adventures and other aimless meandering on company time. Why don't you go back to the street in a beat car and change your pad...bleeder!
name 10 good FTO's in the city....Go ahead
12/29/2007 03:27:00
015 tierny
015 stefonec
015 santiago
024 caraballo
012 leblick
007 ski
u can name some more but theres at least a few up there who do the job everyday and are worth three stripes that the'll never see !!!
YOU ARE RIGHT ALL GOOD. 025 needs Tom Baker back. He and Rix were th eonly good ones but Tird watch had ZERO
Cmdr Green doesn't know the first thing about SWAT and his mini-me shadow Ray ED&@^%s can't shoot that well; with an 80% score he is the lowest passing grade ! That should not read as 80% hits, it should read 1 out of 5 times he can't shoot whats in front of him. And having been in the same building as SWAT he knew the coutse of fire and could have practice it at A4 with assistance ! But this one time "Marine" CAN"T DO IT !
Having GREEN in his corner doesn't help, R.E. would have to pass the pistol course 4x a year and pass the Physical 4x a year. No other unit has these requirements ! None.
The Marine unit doesn't, K9 doesn't (Have you seen some of those specimens!?), B&A certainly has no fitness requirements other than smoking Cigars in the Homan Sq. garage, and the mounted unit most of all justifies there D-2 value ...... how hard is it to hop on triggers back and wave to kids at carnivals. If you believe SWAT shouldn't work out, then go and challenge their testing and qualifications. IN fact lets go back to Bosse's era of HBT where 400 lb snipers couldn't shoot prone unless there were four men nearby to roll him back into the upright position. Come on !
Hey the Department has two helicopters that we never see flying around or are available on certain hours only, k-9 gets requested at a scene, take their time getting there and when the arrive they bitch about working,E.T.'s say it's not like CSI on TV when you ask them to do something. SWAT, who knows we'll just have to wait and see. Anyone ever watch Dallas SWAT or Kansas City SWAT on A&E? Now that's real SWAT.
did a detective actually start bitching about SWAT getting D2 pay when they spend most of their time figuring out how theyre going to either A) say, "kid, you dont have nothin 'dere. I wouldnt even call da state on dis one, B) have you bring in the head, then write you off the paper, or C) milk it into overtime and then take all the court on it because they offer some sort of magical testimony to the case. C'mon. I'd rather hear someone thats out there taking jobs day in and day out bitch about something. WTF?!
actually, it only puts you better than the top 1% of the 250 who took the test. there are plenty of people around here who could qualify and didn't take the test.
12/30/2007 10:12:00 AM
Ummm... well, if you dont take the test, and its available to everyone, then you didnt pass the test. That would essentially put the guys that make it in the highest percentile in that category. Logic says, if you dont take a test thats offered to everyone, you just scored yourself a 0% on it.
8:50pm
Ray Edwards CAN shoot...96% is pretty damn good! You are right about him not being able to pass the physical. He has a bum knee which keeps him from passing...2X now....
He can shoot though....give the ex-Marine credit where it's due.
SEMPER FI
TO: 4:36
you say....
Ray Edwards CAN shoot...96% is pretty damn good!
Listen Pal, you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG . On 20Dec07 Ray E. shot his pistol qualification. He Shot an 80% . Read that again, EIGHTY PERCENT ! Don't let him tell you otherwise.
Anyone that wants to see their targets or their score, the targets are photographed and bagged up for future reference. Come to Homan SQ. and ask. Hell, one of the guys has it all photographed,stored on computer and disks; no funny business, no bonus points for the phone ringing in the background. All scoring was counted in front of the shooter and signed for; thats legit, unlike tests where a firm has the answers for months before you get them. Your buddy Ray E. didn't get a 96%, only 80% !
Adeste Fideles and Carpe Scortum.
Whatever.
Guys guys guys..the fact that officer Edwards was Greens guy and still didn't get on is proof positive that there is some legitimacy to this whole thing. Further more one of the SWAT guys dumped 3 months ago passed the shoot but failed the physical and is out. There's another example of legitimacy. Put SWAT down all you want for the potential arrogance but give credit where credit is due. As a city it is good to know that we have a group of people that for whatever reason are willing to stand and face whatever comes our way. Not that many others in patrol wouldn't as I've seen many a brace heart out there but they just aren't prepared the same. We're all needed for one reason or another so lets move on and fight the media or something...by the way did you all see that b.s. surveillance tape of coppers drinking in bars etc... There's the real enemy!
To the clown who replied to my earlier post who stated something about "magical testimony": The reason the ASAs want detectives in court is because most of you "super cops" don't know the first thing about testifying in court. All you worry about is getting to the bar and telling everyone about the great pinch you made without ever worrying about the outcome in court. You see Super Cop you have to have vision, look down the road so to speak. Come and talk to me when you know how to put a case together that is actually going to get a conviction. Then again those one bag dope arrests don't amount to a hill of beans. My magical testifying made me over $120,000 this year Super Cop...
A) say, "kid, you dont have nothin 'dere. I wouldnt even call da state on dis one, B) have you bring in the head, then write you off the paper, or C) milk it into overtime and then take all the court on it because they offer some sort of magical testimony to the case. C'mon. I'd rather hear someone thats out there taking jobs day in and day out bitch about something. WTF?!
No one in the detective division cares about your fucking CB number. Your arrest isn't that important in court. The investigation, which most of you "Gel Heads" can't do properly, is what matters. You think once your cuffs on someone that's it, game over. On the contrary, that's just the beginning when we're talking about a real felony, not some westside 011 District bullshit. I've seen enough police reports and arrest reports written by Super Cops from the westside to know that many of you have not a clue of what goes in court regarding motions, probable cause, and what is needed to obtain a conviction. So before you start claiming that someone "wrote you off the paper" maybe you should learn how to write a report and spend some time on the witness stand. The last murder trial I had I was on the stand for over three hours, which probably more time than you have had in your entire career.
Is this the same Edwards who CLAIMS he now is a Navy HRT operator who trains with the Navy Seals at Great Lakes?
Green knows this...that's why he there in SFG! Is it true though?
80%? Are you sure? Edwards is the guy who shot almost a perfect score the first go-around. What gives now?
His knee is a bad thing. Too bad so sad.
-former swat guy
Super Dick with his "3 hour visits to the stand",
Actually, Ive been on the stand for stretches of 40 min to an hour at a time on some of the cases I've testified to and your arrogance and mere mention of the $120k you milked the city for only proves the point, Super Dick. Like I said before and I'd say again, bitching about guys that go and train for the job, proactively, off duty, and most importantly, ON THEIR OWN DIME, shows dedication to duty that you probably never had. These guys that want the SWAT gig are doing this to better themselves and better the department and to bitch about them possibly recieving D2 pay is ignorant, arrogant, and near sighted, Super Dick.
He was/is a sniper. You mean Ray E, the guy who is so buff he can't put his arms down while he walks, did not MAX the shoot test?
The guy was a Marine sniper who trained Navy Seals on how to shoot. He must have been feeling sick if he couldn't shoot better than 80%?
Word is he is so massively huge in his upper torso that his knee cannot take the weight. That's why he keeps failing the run.
I went through the test with a pretty huge former marine and Im not sure of his name but it just may be the Ray that people keep mentioning here. I have no idea what he shot but I do know this: While we were all getting ready to get started he didnt have the slightest air of arrogance, he was there while everyone was doing their pushups and situps and was cheering each one on, including myself... a lowly 1st watch beat cop that he didnt know from adam.
He seemed like a solid guy and when he had to drop out of the run due to his knee injury I truly felt bad for him. I guess his knee was so swollen that someone had to help him back inside after finishing 3 out of the 4 laps I believe.
when we all came inside he congratulated everybody on finishing the run in time and wished us all luck afterwards. SWAT or not, he seems like a guy I'd want to work with.
Anonymous said...
He was/is a sniper. You mean Ray E, the guy who is so buff he can't put his arms down while he walks, did not MAX the shoot test?
The guy was a Marine sniper who trained Navy Seals on how to shoot. He must have been feeling sick if he couldn't shoot better than 80%?
Word is he is so massively huge in his upper torso that his knee cannot take the weight. That's why he keeps failing the run.
1/04/2008 10:02:00 AM
Marines don't train SEALS! If he stated this he lied!
Whats with all the bashing of ray E? I was there when he took his fit test and will agree with ist watch beat guy. Ray seems like a pretty solid guy who has some obvious knee problems. Give the guy credit for trying and if you are a current swat guy you make us look like a bunch of arragant pricks with all of the bashing.
24 of the top 25 qualifiers are still in the top twenty five and will move on to swat school. It appears that we may have a legit test here. Hopefully we end up with the best of the 25 getting on the team.
Seems to me that 03:01AM is totally right. Plus, it seems that this type of I'd be willing to buy and do all this stuff myself to be a SWAT guy would only bring out the true "Cop Fan" Cops among us. The kind of personnel who are young, inexperienced, and all too easily impressed with the title of "I'm SWAT". Who needs it? Gimmie some crusty old veterans with .357 Magnums, .45's and Shotguns, with lots of experience working rough neighborhoods any day, as opposed to young whizz-kids who are dumb enough to fall for the B.S. politics of this place again. If I'm in deep doo-doo, send me some real, pre-90's, before P.C; Vets who know what the fuck to do when the sh*t hits the fan.
12/29/2007 04:48:00 PM
AMEN
) Pride in one's work,
2) Knowing you are better than 79% of the applicants (which are something like 3% of the total force). Given the self selected nature, getting on SWAT puts you in like better than the top 1% of the force.
3) Going to the cottage has never made anyone better at their job.
Piss off man, do your own thing but don't ever try to take away from officers that go above what is expected of them.
Hope that answers your question.
12/29/2007 04:18:00 PM
Ok tough guy go get em! WTF! Your as dumb as the day is long! I would rather give that money to my kids for college,so they get good grades,take the proper courses and do not turn out joining the cpd where dummies in college end up!
12/29/2007 11:30:00 PM
WHAT ARE YOU-- I MEAN I GUESS YOU ARE NUTS
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