Clearance Rate
Chicago Police detectives solved 36 percent of murders committed in Chicago last year -- about the same percentage cleared in 2006.
Of 443 murders committed across the city, 162 -- or 36.6 percent -- were cleared. In 2006, 36.2 were solved.
In addition, detectives working cases from previous years cleared 102 cases, bringing the total number of Chicago murders solved to 264, according to department statistics.
The police cleared 42 percent of murders in 2005 and 47 percent the year before.
Chief Maher blames the "no snitching" culture. Anyone else want to chime in?
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
213 Comments:
Yeah blame it on some rap lyrics. No how about incompetent meritorious detectives.
I am a female officer with less than 2 years on the job. I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model. Can she share accounts of her most outstanding detective work, particularly on homicide cases?
Her highly successful career could provide inspiration to other officers. How did Chief Maher rise to the top of the Detective Division?
Does she have any advice for those of us that would like to follow in her footsteps?
2 to 1 odds you'll get away with murder in this town. Interesting.
How about her edict that the victims and witnesses can leave at any time and not cooperate.
Sorry...forgot about Area commanders placing clout babies in HGS as another possible reason
Ah, yes. "The deer in the headlights" wearing her deerstalker cap. LMAO!
My guess...
The refusal to pay overtime.
lets see
48 HOUR RULE
VIDEO IN ROOMS
WRITTEN NOTICE TO WITNESS THEY CAN LEAVE
SCREWING AROUND WITH LINE UP PROCEDURE
WAISTING DICKS TIME TYPING UP BUY BUST AND MAJOR REPORT THAT GO NO WHERE.
SENDING ONLY 2 DICK OUT TO GHETTO HOMICIDES.
ASA WANTING FLAT OUT CONFESSIONS WITH DNA AND VIDEO ALL WRAPPED UP IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
DORK AT HEADQUARTER WHO CANT PROCESS HARD DRIVE ON COMPUTERS FAST ENUFF FOR EVIDENCE.
CITY CAMERAS THAT ARE NEVER WORKING OR ARE POINTED AT WALLS.
OPS BOTHERING DICKS FOR EVIDENCE WHEN AN OFFICER IS INVOLVED.
BUT NO I CANT THINK OF ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
Blame most of the decline on the video taping of suspects and the States Attorneys Office. Also, the gang banger mentality. (We'll take care of it ourselves)
Whatever, "Chief".
Yeah, It's pretty tough to close a case when no one talks. Im a beat copper....I handled many where the victim is shot to shit and has a bleak outlook, and he says "I'll handle my shit, go away"....and thats the victim! ....witnesses are even worse. PLUS, add the videotaping, the fact that we have to call everyone 'sir', and there you are. This is the dept that liberals want, so this is the dept that liberals get. Enjoy. It's gonna be a looonng ride.
Gee could the drop in the clearence rate after 2005 be tied to the video taping and the 48 hour rule ya think???
I'm curious about people's take on the other violence article in the Sun-Times today -- on Christ Hospital paying for a CeaseFire counselor to more or less staff their emergency room.
The Hospital seems to think it's effective. What do cops think?
There's also a piece on CeaseFire in last week's Chicago Journal. I happened to pick them both up at dinner, and was surprised to see two CeaseFire articles.
The job blows. Why stick your neck out? No one will back you. The liberals will have fun now.
Detectives are watched constantly! I was in 008 the other night, great mustaches!
Everyone loves to disagree outwitt bosses but, Damn Chief Maher is correct. Even more difficult for a big boss to say that in a SCum-Times Mary Mitchel/sharpten culture.
they spend enough time making things into death investigations instead of solving the murders...i hope you enjoy prison chief maher..
the video camera. Do you want murderers on the street, liberals say "yes"
Funny Story...
I just got done watching Jesse Jackson on TV talking about the Democratic election. Honestly....i listened to him for over 3 minutes and have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT HE SAID. The most confusing speech I've ever heard. But he rhymed a lot of words. So SCC...should I vote democrat because I like rhymes? I'm thinking that's a good idea to vote for Obama. McCain can't rhyme like Jesse.
I blame merit appointments to Detective.
Ha! Send these boys and girls to McCarthy's Interview & Interrogation Seminars.
Did she do better when she was a dick?
Hi SCC,
I'm willing to bet that with more uniforms on the street and less coppers in CPD HQS or hidden in spots located in units, the violent crime rate in Chicago will fall. With less violent crimes the detectives will be able to accomplish far more as a result of concentrating on fewer cases. It would also help if a Chicago based rewards for justice program targeting cold cases that would be uniquely developed for affected areas in the city could be implemented. Trust me cold cash will trump any "Stop Snitching Campaign"! People compromise their family members for income tax violations and drug crimes for unbelievably small rewards. A pal of mine in the Federal Drug Enforcement Agency who I attended a Reid Interviewing course with once told me that in the early 90's in Chicago the DEA took down a Chicago based crew and seized over $8,000,000 in assets based on info from a snitch who was a bad guys girlfriend. She only received $250,000. My buddy told me that when the main bad guy was arrested he said "I know who you guys are. You guys are Drug Enforcement of America." If I had not had such bad eyesight maybe I would have became a federal narc. Those guys/gals do an important job and are awesome.
GOD Bless the CPD!
Proud Former CPD BT222 / Working FED
Maybe if the Det Unit had someone in charge that actually new what was going on there might be more clearances. Another case of placing someone in a position they are not unqualified for.
Sam Bass
I blame the Liberal lawyers and court system!
Offenders have more rights than any victim including murder victims!
The laws and the court systems need to change in favor of the victims rather than the Offenders!
Maher is a cancer! She and the rest of hillard/cline dynasty group should be DUMPED! These people are the best example of what’s wrong with micromanagement.
The "No Snitching Culture"????
HOW ABOUT THE NO BUSISNESS BEING CHIEF OF DETECTIVES CULTURE??? Or maybe the NO MICRO-MANAGING NO DETECTIVE EXPERIENCE CULTURE??? OR THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS PROMOTE UNQUALIFIED FEMALE CULTURE????
The clearance rate dropped every year she was the Chief. YOU PAYIN ATTENTION SUPERINTENDENT?????
off topic, but regarding the crack down in uniforms at roll call-
a lot of people think it's fine because a lot of coppers look like slobs. the only problem is, even the ones who look good are getting nailed for petty shit (we had an otherwise sharp looking officer get nailed for a notebook sticking out of his shirt pocket, another for having 2 mismatched pens). that is some stupid ass petty shit.
opportunistic no-sense murders ...
Maybe they actually need to be at work and do the job! More hair gel please! The old style policing solved more crimes the new kids are more worried about how not to work!
Ya mean I have a 2 out of 3 chance of getting away w/murder there?
Someone goggle me the directions to
Chicago!
Gee, I wonder why? Was on a Homicide job on the westside and I a lowly patrolman have to show stab wounds to the dets. that they missed. With all the stomping around I've seen on a crime scene its no wonder.
Shows you how stupid the 36% is,to
get caught...........
what would be even worse is what the conviction rate is for the few solved arrests. I bet is the clearup rate is around 36 percent 5 percent plead guilty and 10 percent go to trial and lose....the numbers look even worse when you consider cinviction rates which the CPD never looks at because we probably only convict 10 percent of ALL crimes we make arrests on across the board....what a joke!
Burge had about a 90% solved rate.Bring back JB
12:16 am, I have an idea or two of how you could limber up for a star studded career. Does the the name "monica" mean anything to you, and do you like to drink drink?
1/23/2008 12:16:00 AM
You've got to be kidding!
This was obviously written by a guy. A sarcastic guy, but a guy none the less.
Maybe Craig and I should have moved to Chicago First
Drew
How 'bout some historical perspective, SCC? I'd like to see someone post the CPD clearance stats for ALL index crimes for the past 20 years...would make some interesting readin'...
off topic, but regarding the crack down in uniforms at roll call-
a lot of people think it's fine because a lot of coppers look like slobs. the only problem is, even the ones who look good are getting nailed for petty shit (we had an otherwise sharp looking officer get nailed for a notebook sticking out of his shirt pocket, another for having 2 mismatched pens). that is some stupid ass petty shit.
1/23/2008 06:52:00 AM
Its a good thing that the order only requires ONE pen. Thats right it states " A black ink pen"...not penS.
Learn your orders and use them to your advantage.
That is all.
Any word on the condition of the copper in 015 who was run over by a hit and run driver last night?
Last I heard he was in "serious" condition.
Merit Promotions + Not Enough Diks = Result
"Commander Welch, here are your LT. bars, welcome to the 007th District."
To the Officer that considers Maria (Soto) Maher a role model, here are your keys to sucess:
1. Work the North End of 23 and write as many parking tickets as possible.
2. Work for a Sgt who comes to every job your assigned to and "supervises you".
3. Get yourself meritorously promoted for every rank.
4. Marry a friend of J-Fed so you can rise to exempt rank.
I blaime the cheaters. Daddy can't tell you who killed Pookie.
Yeah blame it on some rap lyrics. No how about incompetent meritorious detectives.
1/23/2008 12:10:00 AM
Easy fuck-nuts. Murders are either solveable or their not.
Bring your ass to the area and grab the runner that has no witnesses or evidence (you know, evidence that can actually be worked up. Not the crap from that CSI show you watch) and solve it Columbo.
Go grab your dime bag.
How about the fact that witnesses to murders are advised they can leave the Area after 2 hours. That helps solve the crime. And and by the way "clearded doesn't mean charged. Its more bullshit numbers the dept. plays. I bet less than 25% of murders get to court. Blame the state if you want but we should look in the mirror first.
It starts at the top. It starts with Chiefette. It follows with supervisors in the unit that have never been detectives trying to tell detectives what to do. Then there are those supervisors that had a cup of coffee in the bureau and act as if they are experienced and therefore can inject their opinions into your investigation. There are also the idiot merit guys...20% is way too high. Then there is the State's Attorney's Office, the 48 hour rule, witness advisory, etc. If I killed some motherfucker I'd just wait it out. Two days in a room ain't shit! Then there are the commanders who want to micromanage the troops. Stay the fuck out of the way you idiot fucks!
The video taping of the interviews might have a small effect on the clear up rate, but they have not been that great of an impediment. It's not as though we were beating confessions out of offenders before the taping began, as the media would have you believe. By far, the biggest problems have been the 48 hour rule and the witness advisory. Nobody will talk to the police anymore.... and there's nothing we can do about it. On top of that you have to take a look at the the culture of litigation and punitive damages. In today's world a cop can do everything correctly and because of scum bag lawyers and the culture of getting something for nothing he risks getting sued. He then risks having a jury, tainted by a constant stream of lies and slanted reporting from the media,
portraying the police as brutal thugs who will stop at nothing to get a conviction, even if it means sending an innocent man to prison. Today, juries are handing out punitive damages with every decision. My friends, punitive damages are your responsibility. The city is forbidden from paying punitive damages. Fortunately the city and the corp counsel have been looking out for us and attempting to settle cases where the scum bags are going after the officers punitively. Just take a look at the Riley Fox case in Will county. Those detectives did nothing wrong, yet they had million dollar judgments placed against THEM! Someone else's DNA present does not mean the father had nothing to do with her death. Would you confess to killing your daughter after 15 hours, even if the detective did yell at you? In today's climate it just isn't worth it anymore. The liberal pukes have finally achieved their goal. They have made police departments impotent. Are job is now to report crime....little else.
Give it a break....hell, in Chicago
1974 the reported homicides were 970, in 1992 it was 943. The City has been hovering around 400 homicides for the last couple of years. If you don't have stand up witnesses, forensic the chances of solving a crime is almost nil, that's just the facts. The Police can't be blame for those victims who are willing to die protecting some insane code of street silence and if their friend, neighbors and witnesses subcribed to the same belief.....19 Paul and move on. Screw the media, the ACLU and those liberals who want things both ways. Police Officers do what they can, with what they got. All this finger pointing will not increase or decrease the arrest percentage one way or another.
'm willing to bet that with more uniforms on the street and less coppers in CPD HQS or hidden in spots located in units, the violent crime rate in Chicago will fall"
More Crap from Former/working... With the "answer the calls only" attitude on the patrol side, the lack of top leadership in the Detective division, the down-turn in the economy, and all of the posted policy changes in the investigation process the only thing we've got going for us is that the victims are generally, not always, but usually, shit heads. And don't forget to factor in the fact that todays offender may be tomorrows victim. Also it's the Drug Enforcement ADMINISTRATION. They are not an agency, and yes it matters.
this just in: sgt. waaaah waaaah waaaah over at midway is having his end of the year clearance rate on ebay. also any p.o.s flying out of the airport can continue to purchase gun lock boxes from the good sgt. for a small fee. what a swell guy. just don't ask what sgt. l.v thinks of him :-(
Get away with murder in Chicago?
Hell, the Daleys have been doing that for years.
Perhaps putting an experienced Detective in chatge of the Detectives might help.
Naaaa, I forgot, this is Chicago. We must think diversity !!!
And , what the hell, the victims can't vote anymore. Ummmm, forget that last part.
Great bumper sticker:
DEAD FOR DALEY
36%?? I hear A/1 was at 15% for sometime...
Sorry, "working Fed," but money doesn't always loosen lips. When the U of C doctoral student was murdered, U of C put up over $10,000 in reward money. No nibbles. If a camera at Bernard Mitchell hadn't caught the offenders' car with the two red doors, the case would likely still be unsolved. Unfortunately, some of the lowlifes have a greater "wall of silence" than many Police agencies. THAT, and the unwillingness of the victims, along with their families, to assist in the investigations has definitely contributed to the low overall clearance rate on homicides. Saw one recently where a guy was shot down in front of his house. He had been shot about 3 weeks previously, but it took his family about 2 weeks after his death to point the troops where they needed to go. Strange culture existing out on the streets today, where vics and their friends/family actually protect killers.
Honor among thieves, sure; that is until you get someone's ass in the proverbial wringer! Working cases in this City used to be so easy. Talk to enough people and you'd find out what happened. The whole selection process as become so polluted.
I know people who made "D" meritoriously yet they could barely find thery're beat car in the parking when in patrol.
They need to change Detective back to an assignment (at D-2 rate) instead of as a service designation. Back in the day they used to dump the bottom 10% of Detectives performance wise to bring in new blood. They also used to judge activity by arrests, not clearances.
There's a big difference between arrests and clearances. With all the technology today such as ICAM and I-Clear why are the stats dropping. Back in the day we had to pull IR's, track down CB's (Off the yellow sheets) and request photos and prints from Graphic Arts and Ident. Now everything is at your fingertips but we're no better off.
What happened to the "Silver Tongued Bastards" who once made up Investigative Services? "No Snitch" mentality, right? The knuckle-heads on the street would sell their own Mother out if they thought it would help get ahead. Being a "Dic" is more than a snappy suit and desk.
But at a time where everyone wants to be something more than the Police what can we expect? Where have all the Real Police gone???
Anonymous said...
I am a female officer with less than 2 years on the job. I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model. Can she share accounts of her most outstanding detective work, particularly on homicide cases?
Her highly successful career could provide inspiration to other officers. How did Chief Maher rise to the top of the Detective Division?
Does she have any advice for those of us that would like to follow in her footsteps?
1/23/2008 12:16:00 AM
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha!!!!!!!! This is better than Zanies!!!!!!!!
It ain't the Stop Snitching movement........Thats been an unspoken rule in the "Hood" since FOREVER.Are the justified cop killings in these reports? I'm just in shock that there is a 60% chance a murder goes unsolved.
Hey...he's back again with a "New" name it now says "Proud" Former beat 222 / working FED...I'm even more impressed..this guy is a fucking tool..please delete any of his posts..like I said before...he has nothing relevant to contribute to OUR blog....he spews his FED nonsense here which is totally unrelated to what we are going through or talking about...Please SCC....Keep his comments...to a minimum...like NONE! Thank You
Maybe it's because a majority of the "vicitms" are gangbanging or drug dealing pieces of shit, and I don't really give a shit what or who did that to them.
Proud Former CPD BT222 / Working FED.
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Do you realize how GAY you are? Being a Fed is not the coolest thing ever, you nerd. I know a few Feds and they don't represent themselves at all like you, so my conclusion, you're a tool. You have no idea how a homicide investigation, from start to finish, is worked in the ghetto you clown. Tell your people to keep putting away 80 year old wiseguys you goof.
That's why it's critical that crimes of a heinous nature are solved in the first 48. Hell, they do it in Miami and Memphis all the damn time. Hey Det. Div! Turn on A&E and learn something.
Someone please post what Burge's clearance rates were in the 80's.
This is what happens when you have 4-5 year wonders who never made an arrest and testified in court as blue-shirts now handling homicides. Clout and incompetance rules this dept.
1/23/2008 06:52:00 AM
I call BULLSHIT on the "mismatched pens"!
Bring back Burge!
Holy cow someone actually updated the Cook County States Attorney Blog.
Anonymous said...
My guess...
The refusal to pay overtime.
1/23/2008 12:36:00 AM
Who are you kidding they make thousands in overtime! "More hair gel please", to much education no common sense, along with to much clout!
I'm curious about people's take on the other violence article in the Sun-Times today -- on Christ Hospital paying for a CeaseFire counselor to more or less staff their emergency room.
The Hospital seems to think it's effective. What do cops think?
There's also a piece on CeaseFire in last week's Chicago Journal. I happened to pick them both up at dinner, and was surprised to see two CeaseFire articles.
1/23/2008 12:56:00 AM
Cease fire is a joke. An absolute joke. "reformed" gangbangers getting federal money to make sure the gangs abide by treaties. 1.This should be a not for profit, grass roots NEIGHBORHOOD program. Federal money? Come on! 2.The mere fact that ceasefire negotioates with bangers leads a FALSE sense of legitimacy to the whole concept of gangs. Why make them feel even more important? Hell, it sounds like CAPS for gangbangers! Screw ceasefire....its a useless pr tool for the govt and a drain on federal funds. Thats why it was cut. (but refunded, due to politics).
12:10:00 AM You got issues. You sound like every other typical LaLa (lazy a** for those who dont know) on the street. Blame someone in the Police Department. Blame the communities full on LaLa's who do nothing to help stop or solve most of the problems that lead to these terrible crimes.
Cease Fire still has to many active gang members in there ranks and the bangers are receiving plenty of good info from the Police. How much worth while info are we receiving?. How many supervisors are giving info to Cease Fire for ther own political purposes?
Bratton Fan said...
I'm curious about people's take on the other violence article in the Sun-Times today -- on Christ Hospital paying for a CeaseFire counselor to more or less staff their emergency room.
The Hospital seems to think it's effective. What do cops think?
There's also a piece on CeaseFire in last week's Chicago Journal. I happened to pick them both up at dinner, and was surprised to see two CeaseFire articles.
1/23/2008 12:56:00 AM
You're kidding right?
CeaseFire is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on the taxpayer! MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars spent with absolutely NOTHING tangible to show for it. A bunch of CURRENT (not former) GANGBANGERS given taxpayer dollars to ocassionally march in the street. Refusing to fund this scam is the ONLY smart thing our Governor ever did. Liberals want to believe this is effective but never ask them to show even ONE example of actually preventing violence. They are simply rallying their efforts in an attempt to get the funding back! ROD WOULD BE WISE TO STAND TOUGH AND REFUSE THIS WASTE OF MONEY.
Is the 8th district mustache contest a joke or is this really going on? I find it totally hilarious and would bust out laughing if i were in thier roll call.
1/23/2008 12:16 AM
"Does she have any advice for those of us that would like to follow in her footsteps?"
Start with very small shoes
It difficult to get the ASA to charge someone. Had a guy on videotape, he gave a confession and ASA still wanted an independant 'witness' to corroborate his story. What the heck is that about???
Come to Crook County to commit your felonies and get away with it!
heard reports of a p.o. hit by a car in a hit and run on the west side. p.o. is in serious custody with nobody in custody. any details from anyone. hope the p.o gets better were prayin for you.
a huge hindrance to these det's is trying to convince the asa's who come out on these jobs. some are inexperienced and they try the case right at the area. they all want the slam dunk case.
Hey Former Bt 222 my buddy, you are a tool!
Maher's best pinch? When, where?She was an Area Four Youth Division sergeant thanks to Cline defernce to her Irish juice! The youth division was the hiding place for the most incompetant supervisors, bar none. As evidenced by the dismal clear-up rates the Detective Division reaps what it sows. Most of the sergeants and lieutenants are merit promotee's unqualified to pour a cup of coffee for their detectives.
Clearance rates have nothing to do with charging or convictions. The 48 hour rule, and witness notice forms suck, but a case can be cleared with an identification of an offender, whether the victim refuses to prosecute or not.
"I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model."
Quit now if that is the best role model you can find Sherry.
yeah 1/2 the blame goes on the "no snitch" bullshit from the ghetto communities, the other 1/2 rests on the sloth dog ass moronic deFectives on this department.
now if the case is solved, the offender stands a great chance of beating the case or serving little time for murder because of our broken judicial system here in cRook county.
I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model.
***Sarcasm at its best... I hope :)
2 mismatched pens *** OK I don't believe that we have to have matching pens. I believe recruits follow that rule while in the academy.
And... I hope those that are getting written up are requesting hearings and filing grievances no matter what. That'll drive them crazy!
Off Topic: Moe Griffin is winning 008 mustache contest.
1216 AM i hope your joking i really really hope your joking...like seriously hope your joking
Here's for 1/23/2008 12:16:00 AM:
I appreciate you have less than 2 years, but you need a better role model. She doesn't have any recounts of her most outstanding detective work because she never did any. She never worked in homicide. She was a Sgt but came out of the youth div. As to how she rose to the top of the detective division, it helps when you are actually Hispanic and a friend of Klein. If you want to follow in her footsteps, get a job a the bank at Madison & Halsted, bullshit with the bosses that bank there, make some friends then join lthe CPD. But since you're already on the job, learn to write a good report, talk with the real old timers, and just listed and watch, and maybe ask questions. Maria isn't the one to emulate here. good luck
I am a female officer with less than 2 years on the job. I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model. Can she share accounts of her most outstanding detective work, particularly on homicide cases?
Her highly successful career could provide inspiration to other officers. How did Chief Maher rise to the top of the Detective Division?
Does she have any advice for those of us that would like to follow in her footsteps?
SILLY YOU
In the old days you could go into an interview room and come out with a confession .... CLEARED CLOSED.
No More of that nowadays --- OPEN.
Now you need 3 priests and a nun as witnesses ... signed confession with no gramatical errors.
Maybe they actually need to be at work and do the job! More hair gel please! The old style policing solved more crimes the new kids are more worried about how not to work!
1/23/2008 07:14:00 AM
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Talk to the Detectives in Kane County who arrested a child murderer that confessed to killing his own child.
They're now $6 million in the hole for punitive damages.
Ask them how they like that old-time policing, like Eddie Shore, Eh!
"I blame the Liberal lawyers and court system!
Offenders have more rights than any victim including murder victims!
The laws and the court systems need to change in favor of the victims rather than the Offenders!"
A hearty thanks to the merit dick who posted this.
It's about time somebody accepts responsibility for their inactions.
Chief Mafia and her band of nitwits are to blame She is a clue less goof.
How many unsolved murders are there?
A lot more than 36 percent get caught, few are charged. I've been a det. for 30 plus years, I blame the inept Sgt. Lts. and the SAO, The 48 hr. rule is the CPDs rule. The video taping is no big problem once an admission is had but the ASAs want to twist it and negate it. All for the glory of politics.
Maybe they actually need to be at work and do the job! More hair gel please! The old style policing solved more crimes the new kids are more worried about how not to work!
1/23/2008 07:14:00 AM
Old style did work. Not everyone and their granny had a video camera pointed at you. Oh yeah, and the city looked the other way when 'you did what you had to do'...
So in the end, can you blame us for not wanting to be fired for wanting to do a job that the city really doesn't want us doing?
Wrap your noodle around that.
What a joke, you have to figure there's about (at least) 25 infant homicides a year. and the baby's momma's boyfriend is the offender 99.9% of the time. those account for about one sixth of the solved cases. It's a reflection of the useless crap that they're giving detective test answers to.
Do they count all the police shootings where the bad guy died last year in their stats?
1/23/2008 12:16:00 AM
"I am a female officer with less than 2 years on the job. I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model. Can she share accounts of her most outstanding detective work, particularly on homicide cases?
Her highly successful career could provide inspiration to other officers. How did Chief Maher rise to the top of the Detective Division?
Does she have any advice for those of us that would like to follow in her footsteps?"
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Very funy & nice try. I'm not fallin fer that though. Some here will, maybe lots. but not me.
I blame Oprah and her band of crazy suburbanite blonds. A dangerous crew. Oprah gets angry every time she finds Steadman in the sack with the burler and she can't watch. Bullets fly.
I wonder after reading all of this if Drew Peterson is wishing he had killed his third and fourth wife in Chicago. I am sure two would have been the limit he would have got away with.... well maybe not so sure...
....I handled many where the victim is shot to shit and has a bleak outlook, and he says "I'll handle my shit, go away"....and thats the victim! ....
Yup..had one of those too. Vict bled out. Oh well. Can't help those who won't help themselves. Oh, wait a minute. the Democrats can...
MORE CONVICTIONS= BBB, BRING BACK BURGE PEACE BABY
Does the term "overtime" mean anything to anyone out there? I think its funny that they're kicking 2 year old homicides back looking for a ton of work (with OT held at a minimum of course) because nothign has been done. they're crying for clear-ups now on everything so they can impress J-Fed with their leadership abilities.
Anonymous said...
Shows you how stupid the 36% is,to
get caught...........
1/23/2008 07:36:00 AM
That's f00king funny
6. Get a haircut, shave, no ear rings, braids, corn rows, and if ANYONE has excessive tattoo's on their arms, make them wear a long sleeve shirt year round!
1/22/2008 10:37:00 AM
sorry grandpa...weather and seasonal uniform rules apply here, not the amount of ink that someone has on their arms. if you don't like the tattoo's on someone's arm...don't look. I will agree with you on one point though, no vulgarities on the visible parts. otherwise, mind your business. maybe I'll go get a new tattoo on my forearm just for you !
12:15 AM
You are either delusional or sarcastic. Maher is pathetic. No one respects her.
p.o. from 008 committed suicide.good friend, terrible loss. RIP.
For the hit and run on the copper, looks like area 5 guys swooped up the offender late last night in the 24th district. Good Job on the fast police work
SCC,
Where is the story on Phil Cline's son suing the Chicago Transit Authority?
Some people can never get enough free money?
12:15
You are either delusional or sarcastic. Maher is pathetic. No one respects her.
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Thats the problem she has less than 2 years on the job. lets hope it was sarcasm!
Honor among thieves, sure; that is until you get............1/23/2008 10:51:00 AM
Where to begin, lets start with "Talk to enough people and you'd find out what happened."
This is true. The majority of Homicides the detectives know what happened. Mo-Mo or Pooki tell you what happened and why but now comes the fun part, trying to get them to do their civic duty and tell our wonderful ASA's the story. 9 times out of ten they say they live in the neighborhood and don't want no problems or go "F" your self. Ah, but the old timer in you would say the hell with that, bring them in and put them in the room, perhaps even 10 years ago but not now. Ever sit in a hand written? Question: How have you been treated by the police? Answer: I have been in a room for 4 days and have not talked to my family. Result: End of hand written, hello law suit and perhaps loss of freedom. But, being part of the old guard you would take the risk because the reward is so great....right. So lets just present these facts to the ASA's we learned from talking to people but no co-operating witness. There is a little known point of law called hearsay.
Hearsay is the legal term that describes statements made outside of court or other judicial proceedings. With few exceptions, hearsay is not allowed as evidence in the United States.
So much for that, better go pull those yellow sheets and IR photo's.
Another brilliant statement."They need to change Detective back to an assignment (at D-2 rate) instead of as a service designation. Back in the day they used to dump the bottom 10% of Detectives performance wise to bring in new blood. They also used to judge activity by arrests, not clearances."
This makes a hell of alot of sence.
Lets give something back to this city, that loves us so much. How about medical too. By the way what was your arrest rate? You never did mention if you were/are a Detective.
The real police are still out there
they are smarter and need to pick their battles in a hostile environment.
The game is afoot.
Former BT222/Working Fed......SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING TOOL!
As a citizen, I have to say that, with the murder rate way down, somebody must be doing something right, and that somebody has to include the police.
So you got the important number down, big time. The ones that remain are pretty much guaranteed to be mostly the tougher cases.
I'm not suprised, or disappointed, by the clearance rate.
I'm very grateful to you for bringing the murder rate down. You should be proud of your work.
That's why it's critical that crimes of a heinous nature are solved in the first 48. Hell, they do it in Miami and Memphis all the damn time. Hey Det. Div! Turn on A&E and learn something.
Patrolman turn off TV and do some work
SENDING ONLY 2 DICK OUT TO GHETTO
HOMICIDES.
HEY DICKHEAD, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I WENT 99 AND STILL SOLVED THE CASE YOU WANNABE.
DORK AT HEADQUARTER WHO CANT PROCESS HARD DRIVE ON COMPUTERS FAST ENUFF FOR EVIDENCE.
THERE ARE THREE GUYS DOING THE WORK OF WHAT SHOULD BE MORE THAN TRIPLE THE MANPOWER, DOING MORE WITH LESS EQUALS LESS!
GET A FRIGGIN CLUE YOU BELLYACHING PRICK, YOUR OBVIOUSLY ONLY A DICK IN NAME.
1/23/2008 12:40:00 AM
Did she do better when she was a dick?
1/23/2008 05:49:00 AM
WHAT, FOR TWO PERIODS?
Maher is a cancer! She and the rest of hillard/cline dynasty group should be DUMPED! These people are the best example of what’s wrong with micromanagement.
1/23/2008 06:35:00 AM
REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE FEDS TAKE OVER.
Burge had about a 90% solved rate.Bring back JB
1/23/2008 08:29:00 AM
YEAH YOU DUMBASS, WHILE WERE AT IT WHY NOT RAISE PROPERTY TAXES TO COVER THE COSTS OF THE PENDING LAWSUITS.
a huge hindrance to these det's is trying to convince the asa's who come out on these jobs. some are inexperienced and they try the case right at the area. they all want the slam dunk case.
1/23/2008 12:45:00 PM
this is all in part to the head of felony review!!! D.O., he is the biggest liberal ever!!!! he claims that the ASA's office doesn't keep stats, but he new his off the top of his head.. he came out and said that any possible witness has to be evaluated, even if there is no way to id the witness... it is all about clearances and cases they can win, it doesnt matter if the law is broken, only if they can succesfully prosecute the offedner. when asked about the way felony review critiques the victims background before charging, he claimed it went to the substance of the case, but when asked about the "victim" in the herman case, he somewhat back peddled, and made a reference to dna evidence pretty much played dumb.... come on you are the head of felony review you know every aspect of that case.. what it came down to was political pressure by the whore media.. I didnt know herman, heard he was a goof, but to get more time than some murderers for allegedly raping a crack whore, come on. supt Weis how about re investigating that with the same vigor that you are going after cozzi with?
Good luck Supt Weis, u have a tuff road ahead, 13,000 policeman to deal with, to many alderman, the mayor, 3,000,000 plus citizens, and of course the people who seem to be running the police dept., the reverends and media.
Strange culture existing out on the streets today, where vics and their friends/family actually protect killers.
1/23/2008 10:47:00 AM
YOUR OBVIOUSLY LESS SEASONED. NOTHING NEW TO THE GAME IT STILL REMAINS THE SAME....25+ YEARS EXPERIENCE.
They need to change Detective back to an assignment (at D-2 rate) instead of as a service designation. Back in the day they used to dump the bottom 10% of Detectives performance wise to bring in new blood. They also used to judge activity by arrests, not clearances.
1/23/2008 10:51:00 AM
And you have all of...o let me guess less than 12 years on the job. Allow me to edjumacate you, back in the 80's we were assigned to the Detective Division, if you did not have a phone call the amount of activity you brought in meant nothing if you were targeted for whatever various reasons that had nothing to do with the lack of performance. I'm not trying to lambaste you, I realize that you were probably in grammer or high school back then but I was there and saw the politics of the postition. A mere suggestion, before you parrot whatever is spewed from the pickled brain of your daddy, know the facts.
Magnum P.I. said...
That's why it's critical that crimes of a heinous nature are solved in the first 48. Hell, they do it in Miami and Memphis all the damn time. Hey Det. Div! Turn on A&E and learn something.
1/23/2008 11:25:00 AM
While your at it why not tune into CSI and learn ins and outs....NUMBNUTS!!!
Do they count all the police shootings where the bad guy died last year in their stats?
1/23/2008 03:27:00 PM
Keep pushing that beat car!!!
Has anyone considered that Cline is accountable for the people that have been promoted or placed into key postions such as Maher? Wait and see the housecleaning that is going to take place. Kline fucked up this Dept. more than where it was. A storm is coming, hopefully that will mean the expungement of the likes of calluris, maher, limon, tobias, ect.ect.
weather and seasonal uniform rules apply here, not the amount of ink that someone has on their arms. if you don't like the tattoo's on someone's arm...don't look.
***Don't be surpised if you see that rule change. The Mayor doesn't like it and one of the suggestions was to PO's wear long sleeved shirts.
Everyone asking for the "great" Jon Burge remember he was the start of this downward spiral. The mentality that if he did not do this one he did another bull shit is over. I say solve the ones you can, and let the "people" workout the other ones.
Come to my neighborhood and help me, let the "no snitchers" rot in their filth, and the stench of decomposing bodies.
Anonymous said...
To the Officer that considers Maria (Soto) Maher a role model, here are your keys to sucess:
1. Work the North End of 23 and write as many parking tickets as possible.
2. Work for a Sgt who comes to every job your assigned to and "supervises you".
3. Get yourself meritorously promoted for every rank.
4. Marry a friend of J-Fed so you can rise to exempt rank.
1/23/2008 09:31:00 AM
Blame it on the Bossa Nova...
Shape of things to come:
CPD attached to DEA Task force team.
Effect arrest, bad guy, M/Mx, resists.
Bad guy has gun. Bad guys gets punched, arrested.
DEA agent, also M/Mx files complaint againt CPD guy.
CPS shits all over itself and strips officer.
Do any CPD guys still work with this DEA snitch/rat?
In Homicide cases, it's the victim's unwillingness to cooperate.
Could someone please tell me the significance of the "Just Cause" or is it just another line item on the arrest report?
1/22/2008 10:37:00 AM
sorry grandpa...weather and seasonal uniform rules apply here, not the amount of ink that someone has on their arms. if you don't like the tattoo's on someone's arm...don't look. I will agree with you on one point though, no vulgarities on the visible parts. otherwise, mind your business. maybe I'll go get a new tattoo on my forearm just for you !
1/23/2008 04:51:00 PM
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I agree, this is not a CEO job were the police!
An open plea to "the working fed",
Please try and reduce your comments on this blog, or at least the length of those comments. At minimum, the content.
As your fraternal "federal" brother from another top 10 office (and also ex-cpd), I thought I might be able to appeal to your sense of reason.
I enjoy checking the blog from time to time, but I find more and more comments that you have posted that do nothing but insert blatant self-serving law enforcement "pop culture-esque" references that make you come off looking....kind of like a tool.
For example, your reference to your meeting your "DEA buddy" at the John Reid interviewing conference. Nobody cares where you met him, and that is hardly relevant to the point of your story. It just comes off as a not-so-subtle way to say you've attended the Reid school. Thats great, but nobody cares.
You do make some decent points, sometimes. Sometimes. But more times than not, you say things that make you look either like a "Fed" impostor, or someone that has completely lost touch with reality and has been drinking the federal kool-aid for too long.
Yes, being able to pay money to infomants is good. But unlimited amounts of money is not the antidote to the stop snitching culture. And CPD doesn't have money like we do. So to say "just throw money at them and they will talk", still doesn't really help homicide witnesses get into court to testify. Everything isn't a 5k.
Yes DEA agents do a good job, but I still don't see the parallel between a federal infomant getting a percentage of seized funds, and how that relates to realistically reducing the level of violence for the average beat cop.
And nobody cares about your eyesight, as long as you can qualify 4x per year.
"Working fed", its just the cumulative tone of your posts...I remember a long time ago reading a pissing match that you had on the blog here, where you gloated about your sweet drive from Naperville and your many starbucks runs.
One fed to another, I plead with you:
1. Please get to work. I hope you have as many quality 515s in your file, as you do empty starbucks cups in the back seat of your federal car.
Seriously, I'm so busy I hardly have time to iron my 5.11 tactical pants, find items to put in all the pockets, or zip up my North Face fleece, let alone post stuff on this blog.
2. I know allegedly all the agents live in Naperville, but wtf? I'd kill myself if I had to drive to-from Naperville every day. No neighborhood is worth that commute, even if you leave at 4am.
Go to the RA, save Uncle Sam some gas money.
3. Once we leave the cpd, our ability to interject and opine as to what the cpd should do with itself becomes moot. I know this is an open blog, and I love freedom of speech as much as the next guy, but nobody cares what we think.
Once you fix the bureau, then focus on the cpd. I'll check on your progress in about 100 years.
And most importantly, don't ever forget the cardinal truth of law enforcement, be it federal, state or local.
10% of the people do 90% of the work.
Here's to all out there that are part of the 10%, you know who you are.
God Bless,
"Another" former CPD
I personally hope that the homicide rates blows the roof off of 35th street. Than we will let the beady eyed new Stuperintendent deal with it. I'm praying for well over 600 this year.
Signed,
A/1 HGS
GOD BLESS JON BURGE!
off topic, GOD BLESS D.C. of 008. i wish he would have sought help. GREAT GUY. God Bless him and his family.
The key to being a great detective is how many snitches you have!
If solving a murder was as easy as getting breast implants, I and the Molloy Merit Angels would have a 100 percent clear up! Really!
AND YES WHEN, A P.O. OR SGT. OR GANG TEAM OFFICER OR TACT OFFICER OR CITY WIDE OFFICER CLEAR AN ARREST THE DET.. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO PUT YOU ON THE PAPER...NOT ALL JUST SOME THANK YOU A/5
Who gives a fuck?
As long as it's not a p.o. or,
p.o.'s family.
Let the peoplez call the reporters and professors to find the bad guys.
Better yet, the revs.
Keep yourself and your family safe!
Anonymous said...
I am a female officer with less than 2 years on the job. I consider Chief Maria Maher a role model. Can she share accounts of her most outstanding detective work, particularly on homicide cases?
Her highly successful career could provide inspiration to other officers. How did Chief Maher rise to the top of the Detective Division?
Does she have any advice for those of us that would like to follow in her footsteps?
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Why don't you call her and ask her? Surely since she is such a good role model she would take the time to talk to you. Please. Are you a suburban officer? Or are you a community service officer?
Paul Huebl has a story up on Crimefile about a new investigation opening on Ald. Ed Burke and his wife. Great stuff!
Retired Big Belly MOLLOY made about 20 meritorius detectives. All were big time Molloy ass kissers or babes he wanted. When you have do nothing, know nothing, hand picked asshats in the detective field, that is 20 less detectives that would do high quality work and NOT EXPECT to just sit there on MOLLOY's coat tails to look pretty or semi-pretty ... well some were damn right bar trampng looking skanks.
Chief Maher maybe nuts but very easy on the eyes! WOOOO HOOOOO!
sorry grandpa...weather and seasonal uniform rules apply here, not the amount of ink that someone has on their arms. if you don't like the tattoo's on someone's arm...don't look. I will agree with you on one point though, no vulgarities on the visible parts. otherwise, mind your business. maybe I'll go get a new tattoo on my forearm just for you !
1/23/2008 04:51:00 PM
Ok college idiot have you repaid mommy and daddy for the college loans becuase your a failure and ended up here! "party on hair gel"! Keep paying into our pensions it is nice your donating to us old timers jagoff!
To the troll re: the Cease Fire Scam. If you really want a story, check out who is receiving "babysitting checks" from the state and check out their rap sheets. That would be an eye opener and should be front page news
To the people who are responding the the "2 year female officer" looking up to Maria. I think that was written tongue in cheek.
This will only work with real management.
How is this for a proposal. This make bring up the percentage by 20 percent.
1. Have detectives work eight hours.
2. Have detectives begin work when the tour starts.
3. Investigate crimes before overtime.
4. Erase computer games from their computers/servers.
Juice heavy dicks who have never been the police along with the brain drain. Make another meritorious detective just because they worked at the dock. This dept sucks. Those that do can, those that can't suck ass.
How about her edict that the victims and witnesses can leave at any time and not cooperate.
WHY NOT! Jon Burge You want to fuck them up so they can lie and confess, all the while the real killers are free.
No, me thinks you can no longer jamb up the wrong guy.
What's this? 150 posts and noone has blamed FOP yet? Well, let me tell you, it's all FOP's fault. Lazy Trustee Bob Podgorny couldn't even make it into the office 60 days out of his final year when he was V.P. Now he's retired and wants you to elect him trustee. Bullshit! Bob's new buddy, Harold Brown, well we've all heard the stories of this recent retiree's miraculous recovery from the ranks of the duty disabled once he hit age 63. Harold wants to be a trustee and take your money too. These guys have served as do-nothing (jelly) roll models for officers all over the city for decades. Their work ethic is clearly at fault for the disgraceful closure rate on murders.
SCC, can you just say who the hell this former "Driver 222?" Now Working FED is???? Please????
Dont worry help is on the way Det R. Anderson will clear up all the murders. Even though she has missed 75% of the Det training and hasnt worked a full 8 hours in a day in over 4 years.
Until I hear differently, "Former Bt 222, now a FED" is NOT A COP. Remember when he used to identify himself as "former DRIVER Bt.222" We all know we have no assigned drivers. This is just some asshole. So IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE.
Hey two-year wonder! pick another role model.
To "Hater" you forgot about the over paid forensic jags?
I cannot believe this ridiculous excuse for a department.
Now taking over 300 coppers, again out of the districts, for another "new program".
Did J-Fed have a hand in developing this idea?
The High-crime Area Intensive Repeat-offender Gang Elimination Liason unit.
This is coming, another unit...who the hell dreamed this one up?
I was at sgt's waaah, waaaah, waaaah's year-end sale. Nothing but used stuff and junk that got separated from midway passengers.
Retired Big Belly MOLLOY made about 20 meritorius detectives. All were big time Molloy ass kissers or babes he wanted.
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Where did MOLLOY's prego merit dick end up? she came out about a year ago... se's gotta be inside already
Is that correct or a typo? A snitch received $250,000? Sign me up.
Notice how that clearance rate doesnt include the SOS guy gunned down at his own home. Since when do we run an investigation out of HQ?
The red flags are flying to me.
I just dont buy that BS story about they know who did it, and where he is at. If indeed he fled to Puerto Rico why hasnt he been brought back to Chicago to stand trial? Let me guess Puerto Rico is a santuary island.
Possibly because the Mastermind of the whole terrible event is sitting in the MCC? Who knows. Who cares? Well I care. How long are we gonna have to wait till closed cleared/prosecution is put on that file?
the way I see it, if it aint one of us, or our family, who cares??? Who realy cares if "homie" got killed? "julio" gets blasted somewhere? One less our tax dollars go to! I sleep like a baby every time I hear about / see one of them dead. Some innocent, ligit person, that's diffrent, but some gangbanger, they get what they deserve!
BTW: to 222/working on our last nerve, please shut the fuck up. You felt the need to blast us who work a 2nd job to provide better for our family, send our kids to a private school vs. some public shithole? GO FUCK YOURSELF! Go suck off Williams you clueless punk.
Proud Former CPD BT222 / Working FED=ASSHAT
BURGE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!
Proud Former CPD BT222 / Working FED - That is some funny shiznitz. And I know who u are - a tool.
6. Get a haircut, shave, no ear rings, braids, corn rows, and if ANYONE has excessive tattoo's on their arms, make them wear a long sleeve shirt year round!
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worry about what you look like. not everyone else. You ugly zit, hole scar, face filth monster.
WOW! just so many dorky geeky POlice out there
Be honest now! Isn't it a fact that when you see a person with a "sleeve" of tatoos, police or civilian, your firt thought is that they are mentally deficient? And after your get to know them a little better you realize that your first evaluation was correct?
"GOOD OLE AREA 5 said...
AND YES WHEN, A P.O. OR SGT. OR GANG TEAM OFFICER OR TACT OFFICER OR CITY WIDE OFFICER CLEAR AN ARREST THE DET.. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO PUT YOU ON THE PAPER...NOT ALL JUST SOME THANK YOU A/5
1/23/2008 09:45:00 PM"
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I have to ask about this. If you are the arresting officer, why aren't you in box one?
Just so you know, we get court no matter who makes the arrest. Our clearance rate matters not arrests.
There is no motive in "stealing" an arrest from you.
I think you are full of it!
If the Detectives actually worked the amount of time they get paid for instead of working off of their cell phones and then padding OT slips for hours of ghost payrolling, the clearance rate might be higher.
Blame the supervision in the D division.
Maher is not alone. She is but one of the shameless thieves that will ultimately bankrupt our pension fund. May her and her incompetent parasite ilk burn in hell.
Shape of things to come:
CPD attached to DEA Task force team.
Effect arrest, bad guy, M/Mx, resists.
Bad guy has gun. Bad guys gets punched, arrested.
DEA agent, also M/Mx files complaint againt CPD guy.
CPS shits all over itself and strips officer.
Do any CPD guys still work with this DEA snitch/rat?
1/23/2008 08:31:00 PM
You my friend need to get your facts straight. The DEA agent you are probably referring to is a goof no doubt and he is their GS with a last name that starts with a V. However he did not rat anyone out, there was nothing to rat out he was not beat or anything. The M/4 who was arrested beefed at the MCC intake and he was examined by a doctor who made the beef to DEA's OPR which is their IAD. They in turn investigated it and found NO wrong doing, but they contacted our IPRA whoo shit on themselves and stripped C.S. which is pure bullsh*t.
Why people work now days is beyond me, it's just not worth it anymore. And for the younger guys on the job trust me nobody cares how many pinches you make, just be careful because this new guy is going to try to make examples.
10% of the people do 90% of the work.
Here's to all out there that are part of the 10%, you know who you are.
I'll bet former bt. 222 was in the 90% catagory.
Ok college idiot have you repaid mommy and daddy for the college loans becuase your a failure and ended up here! "party on hair gel"! Keep paying into our pensions it is nice your donating to us old timers jagoff!
1/23/2008 10:47:00 PM
fucking loser.
In Homicide cases, it's the victim's unwillingness to cooperate.
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just part of the dont snitch culture! I kept asking my homicide victim who did, and he wouldnt tell me,,, F-Him!
I am the female officer that posted at 12:10 am. I don't get all the negative postings about me on here. I've worked hard my whole career, have a master's degree, and am assigned to a high crime, northside District (I led my sector with anovs and parkers last period).I expect to make Lt. within 10 years and would love to be assigned to the Detective Division and oversee homicide and sex investigations. I know this would not go unnoticed by the administration and believe I can be an exempt within 12 years. BTW, I'm of mixed-race (Mexican and Black), so I see how the Department is perceived by these groups better than most.
Clearance rates have nothing to do with SAO. Video taping, 48 hour rule, witness advisories or any of that. All you need is a name of a suspect. Once the name is listed you just cleared (exceptionally) the case. Regardless of putting anyone in cuffs etc.
Speaking of completely overpromoted embarrassments to the badge....I heard the Commander of 13 got her company car towed while shopping down on Michigan avenue. Evidently, she then proceeded to make a complete fool out of herself at the auto pound, demanding that they release her car. How long do you thing that past her prime Cline groupie is gonna last in the new regime?
Hay folks, wake up. Who ever posted the shit about Maher was very clever. You rattled the troops up a little, including myself. I'll bet you a pay check the story about a female with two years on the job and Maher as a role model was created by a detective who can't her stupid shit.
O.K. laughs are over, back to work now.
SCC,
Where is the story on Phil Cline's son suing the Chicago Transit Authority?
Some people can never get enough free money?
1/23/2008 05:48:00 PM
Is daddy named in the lawsuit for not protecting him?
If Maria Maher has any shame and seeks redemption from her complicity in fraud, she has the option of returning all monies in excess of patrol officer's salary to city coffers.
Upon prompt retirement, she should then forfeit all pension benefits accrued in excess of those for a patrol officer.
Issue a written public apology to the taxpayers begging for their forgiveness.
Provide federal prosecutors with all information on other principals who knowingly abetted in furtherance of the conspiracy and fraud in her promotions to the rank of sergeant and above.
Consult a clergyman and make a sincere act of contrition.
I like wearing hair gel, P.S. "you got nothing kid"
Garbage in Garbage out.
Now you need 3 priests and a nun as witnesses ... signed confession with no gramatical errors.
1/23/2008 02:24:00 PM
I don't know if the priests would give your story that much credibility nowadays!!! (you know, that whole child molestation thing going on). Are there any nuns anymore?
1/23/2008 12:04:00 PM
100% agree. No different than the Panthers breakfast programs in the 60's. Stop wasting my tax money!
Looks like "1/23/2008 06:10:00 PM" is off his meds again.
if it's banger killing banger....who cares if it gets solved. RIP.
They need to change Detective back to an assignment (at D-2 rate) instead of as a service designation. Back in the day they used to dump the bottom 10% of Detectives performance wise to bring in new blood. They also used to judge activity by arrests, not clearances.
1/23/2008 10:51:00 AM
And you have all of...o let me guess less than 12 years on the job. Allow me to edjumacate you, back in the 80's we were assigned to the Detective Division, if you did not have a phone call the amount of activity you brought in meant nothing if you were targeted for whatever various reasons that had nothing to do with the lack of performance. I'm not trying to lambaste you, I realize that you were probably in grammer or high school back then but I was there and saw the politics of the postition. A mere suggestion, before you parrot whatever is spewed from the pickled brain of your daddy, know the facts.
1/23/2008 07:17:00 PM
1/23/2008 07:17:00 PM you are 100% correct.
Old A3 Homicide Lt Joe Curtin dumped several Homicide Dets in the late 70’s for political reasons. He heard them blasphemy, speaking against Ald Burke and States Att Daley, OR saying something good about Mayor Jane Byrne. Activity, arrest or clearences ment nothing. After the Homicide & Robbery merger Jan 1980, Curtin, became the VC Lt. He then targeted the old Robbery guys who he hated for the same political reason: speaking against Burke or Daley or praising Byrne. Activity such as, processing district arrests, clear ups, Det physical arrests, etc didn’t matter. Political sponsorship ruled. I got out on my own power.
Before 1980 there was no contract: just several clubs cutting each others throats to become #1: COP (Confederation of Police who had the most members and the best court COP vs City lawsuit successes), Teamsters (the most radical / confrontational, promised to “shut down the city, no truck in, no truck out, without a good police contract), Combined Countries (the most political from downstate IL), Local 1975 (the only “real union” affiliated with the wallpaper hangers union [this is not a joke or BS] who also had challenged the Dept in Court and won several times), maybe another club or two, I don’t remember, and of course FOP (totally a “fraternal club” in Chicago. No history of labor challenges or lawsuits in Chicago.)
FOP winning the election was a shock. COP had overwhelming membership. FOP was a club centered in the A4 D Unit, others can supply the A4 Det info. I suspect it was the “Chicago way”: ensure the least offensive problem is in “power.” That’s why we have FOP and not a strong Union. I don’t blame Byrne for ensuring the weakest club getting in power, that was the job of any sitting mayor. Byrne GAVE us the first contract with extras not expected, she liked the police. I blame FOP for not becoming the powerhouse it should have become. What did I do? I went to many FOP meetings at Mayfield and spoke up. The beer was warm and the talk was BS. What do I do now? I support you young guys to pick up the flag. It's your battle now.
If true, why hasn't this detective trainee, R. Anderson been launched out of training back to a beat car? Clout maybee? With a going in attitude like that, I'm sure the trainee Dick will be a GREAT help to the Detective Division in the future. But it only matters whats politically correct here, not whats ethically right. Remember, it's Shit-cago.
maybe if all the Detectives detailed out of the Det. Div. to outside agencies, but still carried on paper as working in the Areas they are assigned to for manpower padding purposes,, more Chicago crimes might get solved. Maybe if more Detectives were assigned to the busiest Areas, not up on the Gold Coast cruising the 18th District, more crimes would get solved.
Maybe if the good Dicks didn't get burned out from doing their work plus the work of incompetent useless screw-up merit Dicks, more crimes would be solved.
P.S.
Maybe if Dets. got out of Det. training and actually went out into the field to do Detective work, instead of going right into the office to answer phones, and file papers, like the old guy dicks used to do after decades on the street, more crimes would get solved.
Anonymous said...
Off Topic: Moe Griffin is winning 008 mustache contest.
1/23/2008 01:40:00 PM
grrrr...moe griffin (homer simpson voice)
Your just jealous of R.Anderson because she won't sleep with you.
lose 30 pounds, do some sit ups and maybe a goodlooking woman will look at you troll. leave the broad alone already. No one cares what the fuck shes doing in the detective division or anywhere else.
let it go dufus.
anonymous said...
I am the female officer that posted at 12:10 am...
WOW!!! Led your sector in parkers and ANOVS! That's impressive.
Your troll model... err role model has single handedly fucked up the entire detective division. If you doubt this seek out some kick ass detective who knows his/her shit. Then ask him/her what impact they feel Maher has really had on the detective division.
No doubt that you'll make boss in 12 years. And no doubt you will be incompetent, hated, and lost, just like your role model. Do yourself a favor... 1)pick out a real boss as a role model 2) transfer to a real district and do something other than parkers and ANOVS. 3) Don't ever again mention your race, education, or gender period.
I HOPE YOU REALLY DON'T EXIST and those posts were made by somebody being funny. But something tells me you are real.... and if so, GOD HELP US!
"GOOD OLE AREA 5 said...
AND YES WHEN, A P.O. OR SGT. OR GANG TEAM OFFICER OR TACT OFFICER OR CITY WIDE OFFICER CLEAR AN ARREST THE DET.. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO PUT YOU ON THE PAPER...NOT ALL JUST SOME THANK YOU A/5
1/23/2008 09:45:00 PM"
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What language is that? THat language you are trying to write .... WTF is it ?.... you dumb motherfucker
AND YES WHEN, A P.O. OR SGT. OR GANG TEAM OFFICER OR TACT OFFICER OR CITY WIDE OFFICER CLEAR AN ARREST THE DET.. DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO PUT YOU ON THE PAPER...NOT ALL JUST SOME THANK YOU A/5
1/23/2008 09:45:00 PM
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Clear an arrest? How do you clear and arrest?
Anonymous said...
I am the female officer that posted at 12:10 am. I don't get all the negative postings about me on here. I've worked hard my whole career, have a master's degree, and am assigned to a high crime, northside District (I led my sector with anovs and parkers last period).I expect to make Lt. within 10 years and would love to be assigned to the Detective Division and oversee homicide and sex investigations. I know this would not go unnoticed by the administration and believe I can be an exempt within 12 years. BTW, I'm of mixed-race (Mexican and Black), so I see how the Department is perceived by these groups better than most.
1/24/2008 12:14:00 PM
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Maam, Don't take this the wrong way but you accidentally sat on your head and it is lodged in your fatty pants. I'll look for you in 020 so I can pay homage to you and your shooting star career.
Maria Maher is the quintessential political hack. A truly incompetent suckhole if there ever was one.
Whats the flap about the murder at Harrison and Denvir? I, and we, have been informed that as unlikely as it may seem this was a straight up robbery by M/1 offenders? Has this changed? Is someone running interference and impeding 640's investigation? I would hate to think that you can murder a policeman and get away with it if your heavy enough, but after all, this is Chicago. If this is the case none of us, or our families, are safe. Say it ain't so. Whats with the "fled to Puerto Rico angle"? First time I'm hearing this. SCC,this deserves a thread of it's own, and I hope it's nonsense.
Chief Maher maybe nuts but very easy on the eyes! WOOOO HOOOOO!
1/23/2008 10:34:00 PM
Greg, get serious.
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