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The crash that killed a 29-year-old bicyclist, whose address was listed in the 1400 block of West Lill Avenue, happened in the 4000 block of North Lincoln Avenue around 9:15 a.m. Sunday. The victim was part of a group of about 40 bicyclists, Chicago Police Officer JoAnn Taylor said. He was pronounced dead at 9:47 a.m. at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center.
"It looks like the bicyclist may have disregarded some traffic signals," said Taylor, adding that charges are not expected against the driver of the Chevrolet Suburban, which was eastbound on
And a 20 pound bicycle is gong to lose just about every time to a 3,000 pound SUV. Self righteousness isn't going to stop the laws of physics.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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First reports indicated the victim was a squatty fat man who was mumbling incessantly.
"that's silly, silly, just silly, silly"
But seriously, folks.
My prayers go out to the real bicyclist family.
Critical Mass..... you just got owned!!!
Prob. one of those loser, critical mass rejects. Maybe they will learn not to block the streets anymore.
Don't fuck with the laws of physics.
re runway ron
Is that you, buddy?
You still playing the tuba?
My prayers don't go out to the family.
The cycleist obviously valued his life very little.
The driver of the SUV gets my prayers.
I can be certain of the following statement: He'll nver do that again!
You can write a bicyclist a ticket for running a stop sign or red light. Hell, you can even 501 him too. The mayor loves bicycles though.
1400 Block of Lill, I haven't heard that address since Tac Officer Richie Clarke was murdered by the wacko who killed in landlord and took the woman next door hostage back in the mid 80's. RIP Rich, we still think of you.
"It looks like the bicyclist may have disregarded some traffic signals," said Taylor,
May have? Joanne you list yourself as a Police Officer that means you passed a State Test & should have knowledge of IVC.
Try going out on a limb, if no citations were issued THEN IT'S OBVIOUS THE CYCLIST WAS THE TRAFFIC VIOLATOR.
If that's too difficult to say then fill out the PAR Form drop it off @ personnel & resume your duties as a CIVILIAN!!
THAT WHY I RIDE MY BIKE ON THE TRAILS AT TOUHY AND CALDWELL. GO EDISON PARK, ALSO I SPOKE TO SEISER YESTERDAY, HE STATED THAT WILL BE WRITING BICYLISTS TICKETS. GO SEISER , YOU ARE THE MAN.
I guess my question here is what young democrat and/or future cartage thief was driving the Suburban?
I ride a bike almost everyday until the snow falls and a I see so many cyclist who disregard the traffic rules, it's scary.
Wake up people, a cyclist has to obey the rules of the road just as if you were driving a car...which means stop at lights, ride WITH the flow of traffic on the right side of the street, etc.
doh!!! bad yuppy
Would a 3000 pound Suv lose against a 300 pound 9th District bike cop?
Damn, I wish it was Daley riding his bicycle between 1200-2000 n. Milwaukee where bikes and cars cannot fit together. Just a matter of time before another bicyclist gets killed.
It is sad I suppose that this person died but many of the bicyclist's around the city seem to think that the traffic laws to not apply to them. I see them running stop signs, red lights, weaving in and out of traffic. Guess what all of you on two wheels? The traffic laws DO apply to you and I for one take some pleasure in seeing a bicyclist put in box 1...I'm not happy that someone died but the bicycle community really needs to start following the rules of the road!
The average cyclist demands that you obey every traffic law and yield to them but I constantly, constantly, see stop signs and red lights blown by them! Wake up cycle boys! You all a bunch of punks! Nice spandex!
and you oughta see the tools that ride to and from work on milwaukee ave/bucktown west loop nice to see the ladies but wtf they dont obey the traffic signals most r worse than loop messangers
It was bound to happen. Sad it took a death of a human being. Maybe bicyclist will now obey the same the traffic laws they are obligated to follow as motorists are obligated to follow. No more injuries and deaths and more respect.
Sam Bass
Maybe its time these bikers will wise up and stp thinking every vehicle will yeild for them, i freaking hate critical mass... but seriously folks, ive heard you can write a mover to a bicyclist the same way for a driver of a car...can someone please explain this to me im tired of these bikers on the north side screwing up traffic.
SCC, eyewitness accounts on a local cycling forum put the guy going against the red.
Also, he was taking part in a loosely organized race called the "Tour Da Chicago".
The report states that the bicyclist was riding in a large and aggressive group that was disregarding all traffic signals. Whoops!
A lot of these cyclist are not only crazy but just plan stupid. I commend your choice to ride your bike but don't forget that this is a city with a lot of traffic and many of those motorist are unlicensed and have very poor driving skills. Your ego's cannot block an oncoming vehicle.
I betcha the officer who handled that incident was ordered to cite the driver for failure to yield etc. Even though it's evident that the biker was in the wrong.
You know? To cover the supervising Sgt's ass for some reason.
They do it all the time when pedestrians jay walk or run into the street and get hit by a car.
As for this biker? R.I.P.
Hey Daley was it captured on the red light cameras??? Come on how many illegals with DLs does it take before our families are in danger? DLs for illegals is all about votes. They first get the DL no questions asked and then they get to register to vote no questions asked. What a Banna Republic of a State and city. Thanks for the safe haven
Make that a 6,000 pound SUV, a Chevy Suburban. A Hispanic driver with valid IL license, valid insurance from a top company, a job, a family and he blew a .000 BAC voluntarily and was not charged with anything.
The deceased bike rider was box one, at fault.
These riders are part of an underground sort of group that stages rides/races through the streets and purposefully disobeys all traffic laws and signals.
From what I learned they are part of a group known as "alleycats" and the ride is the "Tour da Chicago" which is an illegal bike ride held in the city at various times and locations.
They were observed by several beat cars riding like complete maniacs SE on Lincoln Ave from Lawrence Ave to the accident scene at Lincoln/Irving. They stopped for NO redlights and NO stop signs and bulled their way into the intersection at Lincoln/Irving against the red light and then ...WHAM!!
The Suburban had the green light and right-of-way and swerved to avoid hitting several more bikes. He only struck one which was miraculous.
Anyone working north side districts, watch out for these groups on weekends etc. They are not part of Critical Mass and seem to not be political in nature. They all ride expensive racing bikes and just dare people to hit them, they ride in large packs and disobey all traffic laws.
If you see them put it on the air to cover your ass.
Anyone working north side districts, watch out for these groups on weekends etc. They are not part of Critical Mass and seem to not be political in nature. They all ride expensive racing bikes and just dare people to hit them, they ride in large packs and disobey all traffic laws.
2/25/2008 02:27:00 PM
Well, hopefully this leveled their asses.
I saw some guy riding down the slushy parking lane on North Avenue the other week as cars sloshed by him. What a self-righteous asshole!
Just paraphrasing the general trend here. From one guy running a red light and getting killed to all bike riders deserve it. It is the kind of full-of-yourselves shit I expect from cops, but still, it's priceless to see it expressed so succinctly. What a bunch of dicks. Can't wait for the next round of "why oh why do the citizens hate us." They should issue you guys mirrors, so you could answer that question.
It is very sad that someone died, but cyclist do not follow the rules of the road. It is a shame that they would jeapardize their own safety with such disregard for the rules of the road. They place themselves in peril all the time. They do not belong on main streets that do not have designated bicycle lanes. Those critical mass people are exactly that, they not only cause horrible traffic jams. use up valuable manpower to do traffic control but they also ride without reagard for their own personal safety. Dont get me wrong some of the riders are well behaved but the majority are reckless.
If the Suburban driver blew 0.00 on the breathalizer couldn't it be extrapolated back that sometime in his life he had a beer and that he is in the wrong. And mark my words there is probably video tape evidence somewhere. Where is felony review when you need them?
Anyone working north side districts, watch out for these groups on weekends etc. They are not part of Critical Mass and seem to not be political in nature. They all ride expensive racing bikes and just dare people to hit them, they ride in large packs and disobey all traffic laws.
If you see them put it on the air to cover your ass.
2/25/2008 02:27:00 PM
Then ask your SGT to put you in for a D/C...
North Side Rangers ROCK!!
anonymous said...
I betcha the officer who handled that incident was ordered to cite the driver for failure to yield etc. Even though it's evident that the biker was in the wrong.
You know? To cover the supervising Sgt's ass for some reason.
They do it all the time when pedestrians jay walk or run into the street and get hit by a car.
As for this biker? R.I.P.
2/25/2008 01:34:00 PM
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No, he wasn't ordered to cite the guy. No citations were indicated except for the victim and his group of bicyclists. Under the circumstances no one would come forward to be complainant against the cyclists. It would have gone on an ANOV anyway, returnable to Dept. of Revenue.
Major Accidents was out there and asked the guy if he would blow the breath test. He did. voluntarily as there was no probable cause. He passed, blew .000
He doesn't drink. At all. He was very upset and thanked the police for the professional treatment he was afforded. As was the victim and victim's family at the hospital. A beat car was there within 30 seconds of the accident and a CFD engine and ambulance responded in less than 5 minutes.
The riders with the guy refused to give the name of their group or any other info. Half gave their names and phone numbers. None gave statements.
What they were doing is called an alleycat race, an informal, dangerous, mostly ilegal form of city bicycle race. Look "alleycat races" up in Wikipedia or Google..
The actual "race" is the Tour da Chicago, a wild street race that is done by packs of bike riders who "race" from point to point, run all red lights etc.
There is a site out there with route maps, schedule etc. of upcoming races: http://tour.chicago.il.us/
These folks like to cheat death and sometimes they lose. Now the guy's family is in a world of hurt. All for a screwy extreme city street bicycle race.
I ride my bike all the time when the weather is nice. The only ticket I'll ever get is for "riding on the sidewalk!"
That's the safest place to ride. The streets are much to dangerous.
"...ride WITH the flow of traffic on the right side of the street, etc.
2/25/2008 10:18:00 AM"
I ride against the flow, so I can see what's coming in my direction and on my chosen side of the road.
I rarely, if ever, ride on the main streets, way too much traffic; I stick to the side streets and avoid traffic whenever possible, which is usually most of the time.
I understand, intimately, the laws of physics and I value keeping my body free from injury.
One major source of peril that we can thank mayor mumbles for is those asinine bike lanes placed along the major arteries; they're suicide paths. Only idiots would even think of using them when there's traffic, and they're a shitty ride even when there isn't.
You want to ride a bicycle from point A to point B, familiarize yourself with the neighborhoods, the side streets and the street surface conditions, and avoid being funneled into the death trap that these 'designated bike paths' are.
Only the feeble-minded would put themselves into a path stream with lines of parked cars on one side and a steady stream of moving vehicles on the other, barely 4 feet wide, no room to avoid potholes, debris or that sudden opening of a parked car's driver's door, etc....
Nope, all you rocket scientists on bikes riding the 'safe bike paths' can roll those dice, I'll stick to the side streets, riding in the opposite direction, able to see what's coming at me and not at all in a hurry to get where I'm going, which, don't you know, is why I always get there in one piece.
Bicycles will never be competitive, travel time wise, with motor vehicles.
They're not meant to be.
Leave earlier and arrive safe and on time, if you choose to use a bicycle as your means of travel.
Any other thinking will put you, and others, at unnecessary risk.
RE: 1400 block of Lill - that nutcase also killed some dogs and through them out the window.
Instead of seatbelt missions, "wild bike" missions.
"1400 Block of Lill, I haven't heard that address since Tac Officer Richie Clarke was murdered by the wacko who killed in landlord and took the woman next door hostage back in the mid 80's. RIP Rich, we still think of you.
2/25/2008 07:55:00 AM"
I remember that.
What a tragic cluster fuck.
As well handled as it could have been, but really sad.
And a lesson in how quickly shit can happen, no matter how on your toes you are.
I ride against the flow, so I can see what's coming in my direction and on my chosen side of the road.
Cool, time to rewrite the traffic laws for you. Fuck everyone else out there. When you encounter a bicyclist going the right direction, do you both get out your tube steaks and joust?
Only the feeble-minded would put themselves into a path stream with lines of parked cars on one side and a steady stream of moving vehicles on the other, barely 4 feet wide, no room to avoid potholes, debris or that sudden opening of a parked car's driver's door, etc....
Only the feeble minded obey traffic laws? You must be one of those selfless road warriors who also decides when it's convenient for you to obey traffic signals and stop signs. Do the rest of us cyclists a favor and take the bus.
Nope, all you rocket scientists on bikes riding the 'safe bike paths' can roll those dice, I'll stick to the side streets, riding in the opposite direction, able to see what's coming at me and not at all in a hurry to get where I'm going, which, don't you know, is why I always get there in one piece.
Great logic. So, when an SUV stops and pulls out from a T-alley onto your chosen side street, and you're going the wrong way, and the SUV doesn't see you until the last second because of a parked moving van, and you're flattened into a pancake, will the Tribune run a two column obit for your arrogant ass?
"Everything he did, he jumped in with both feet," Luke Manger-Lynch said. Yep, including his casket.
YES YOU CAN DUI A BICYLIST, ITS CALLED OPERATING WHILE INTOXICATED. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THERE IS NO IMPLIED CONSENT BECAUSE HE WAS NOT OPERATING A MOTORIZED VEHICLE. AND YES HE CAN TAKE THE BREATHOLIZER TEST. ALSO YOU CAN DUI A HORSERIDER TOO. DID NOT LEARN THIS AT THE ACADEMY BUT AT THE NEMERT CLASS. EXCELLENT INSTRUCTORS AND YES THEY DO NOT HAVE CLOUT.
"I ride against the flow, so I can see what's coming in my direction and on my chosen side of the road."
Darwin loves you, asshat.
How about those bike f*cks who ride the opposite way on the bike paths? Oblivious to the the arrows and the flow of traffic facing them at 30 miles an hour.
"Darwin loves you, asshat.
2/26/2008 12:35:00 PM"
Yes, he does.
That's why I'm still here, after 50+ years of doing things 'my way'.
Feel free to think of yourself, while riding your bicycle, as no different than when you're driving your car, with 3 rear view mirrors, your ass sitting comfortably and several thousand pounds of steel between you and every other object in and around your path of travel.
Do that funny thing you do, when you spin your head like the chic in the Exorcist, trying to see that possibly drunken driver coming up rapidly behind you, and, at the same time, trying not to run into what's in front of your direction of travel.
Don't think for yourself, just 'obey' even the most asinine rules, because, God forbid you'd ever dare to figure things out for yourself.
In case you are still confused, I've been run over by a drunk driver, who drove right onto my rear tire, while I was riding with the flow of traffic, and I only survived by diving off into a ditch, as my bicycle disappeared under the striking vehicle.
So, I'll keep doing what I know will keep me alive, and you keep following the rules, free from intelligent thought and secure in the knowledge that the makers of said rules know everything worth knowing.
Oh, and if you're concerned about my chosen path coming in conflict with cyclist's following the rules, I can also see them coming a block away and I yield the 'right of way' to their stupidity.
Because, if you also hadn't noticed, while motor vehicles and bicycles have much in common, they are not the same thing.
"How about those bike f*cks who ride the opposite way on the bike paths? Oblivious to the the arrows and the flow of traffic facing them at 30 miles an hour.
2/26/2008 07:15:00 PM"
Anyone who uses those 'designated' bike paths is an idiot, whatever direction they choose to travel.
When traveling on roadways shared with motor vehicles, riding against the designated flow of traffic and where there is little to no traffic is the safest way to go.
Within a city/urban environment, side streets fit the criteria more often than not.
Those 'designated' bike routes are suicide funnels and a con job only the feeble minded utilize.
Anyone who's born and raised in an urban environment knows how to survive biking in same.
It's those who haven't been blessed with being city boys and girls who buy into the illusion of safety these painted lines are meant to get you to believe in.
There are no guarantees that when you step out of your home and into the world that you'll be returning safely to same.
Use the brains God gave you and don't depend upon someone else, certainly not the makers of laws, to tell you how to stay alive, especially the makers of laws commonly known as our city government officials.
It wasn't Critical Mass, but some pack of bike racing enthusiasts. And the guy that was killed had just recently accused a 019 Dist copper of drinking on the job. The copper doesn't even drink. Imagine that.
Hey CPD, why not actually police traffic on the streets so it's safer for pedestrians, kids, bicyclists, whatever.
Why does CPD allow 50mph drivers on Clark Street or Western Avenue? Are they too afraid to pull people over these days?
Hmm, must be.
Start selling these bike people License plate/city stickers at $90 a pop and register every bike in the city, or face it being impounded. Make them pay user fees for using the streets that we must pay for also.
It will make Daley Rich$
"Start selling these bike people License plate/city stickers at $90 a pop and register every bike in the city, or face it being impounded. Make them pay user fees for using the streets that we must pay for also.
It will make Daley Rich$
2/27/2008 11:54:00 PM"
Don't forget to tax pedestrians.
Shoes put a lot of wear and tear on the sidewalks.
And those rude folks who own and walk their dogs, with all those claws scrapping at the pavement... don't get me started.....
'So, I'll keep doing what I know will keep me alive, and you keep following the rules, free from intelligent thought and secure in the knowledge that the makers of said rules know everything worth knowing.'
Sounds vaguely familiar...ain't that what Teddy Kaczynski used to say back in the day? I'm proud as pie to be unencumbered by the thought process then.
'Use the brains God gave you and don't depend upon someone else, certainly not the makers of laws, to tell you how to stay alive, especially the makers of laws commonly known as our city government officials.'
Me thinks me got it now. All government sucks, laws bad, self-reliance is good, guns for everyone, Thomas Jefferson rules, motor vehicles and bicycles have wheels and can be driven by idiots. Trust in the God of your choice, because in the end anarchy is the only salvation for Darwin's chosen peeps. Very old testament, but if it works for you by all means keep shoveling it. Montana done sound like a good fit four you, two, Melvin.
"Darwin loves you, asshat.
2/26/2008 12:35:00 PM"
Yes, he does.
That's why I'm still here, after 50+ years of doing things 'my way'.
Another bit of evidence that God does love the fools....
Do that funny thing you do, when you spin your head like the chic in the Exorcist, trying to see that possibly drunken driver coming up rapidly behind you, and, at the same time, trying not to run into what's in front of your direction of travel.
Ever heard of using a side mirror, dumbass?
"Anyone who's born and raised in an urban environment knows how to survive biking insane."
What does that mean, Yoda?
anonymous said...
Why does CPD allow 50mph drivers on Clark Street or Western Avenue? Are they too afraid to pull people over these days?
Hmm, must be.
2/27/2008 06:40:00 PM
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Do you mean the Western Ave Interstate? I am out there regularly with a laser device. I got a guy the other day for going 65mph in a 30 and 10 more were right behind him. It isn't a priority for the traffic unit and is left to districts. Until someone is killed then it will be a priority.
Unless you citizens start writing letters of outrage and get Mayor Stupid to buy more than ONE laser gun for each district. Yup, we all have only one per district. 25 for the city. Better yet, ask the Mayor to come up with some TIF funds to make the streets safer and assign more traffic cars per district.
Let me know how it works out for you. I think I already know.
"Me thinks me got it now. All government sucks, laws bad, self-reliance is good, guns for everyone, Thomas Jefferson rules, motor vehicles and bicycles have wheels and can be driven by idiots. Trust in the God of your choice, because in the end anarchy is the only salvation for Darwin's chosen peeps. Very old testament, but if it works for you by all means keep shoveling it. Montana done sound like a good fit four you, two, Melvin.
2/28/2008 12:14:00 PM"
Why do you feel the need to prove your essential dishonesty so repeatedly?
You're like that character Jon Lovitz played, the 'Yeah, that's the ticket' compulsive, serial liar, always willing to spout blanket generalizations, bereft of truth, whenever it suits your agenda.
(Oh, wait, that more accurately describes the majority of our 'elected' representatives.....)
The fact that many citizens, and non-citizens, don't have their own, internal rules that they choose to follow, and only act in a civilized and intelligent manner when they are compelled by law, and law enforcement, to do so, doesn't mean that all laws are intelligent and civilized, doesn't mean that all those who make law are intelligent and civilized and doesn't mean that there are no citizens who don't need laws to define what is intelligent and civilized.
Are you sure you're a cop?
Because real cops know the difference between zombie obedience to idiotic laws and intelligent and civilized use of discretion.
Real cops know that their job is much more than mechanically imposing rules onto citizens, bereft of any personal morality of judgment.
Real cops know that they are the primary defenders of the freedoms our Democracy purports to assure us of enjoying.
Real cops are not government flunkies.
Real cops respect, honor and uphold the principles, and spirit, enumerated in our Federal and State Constitutions and our Bill of Rights.
Real cops give a fuck about people, not about their 'careers', their own personal gain or any infantile need to fuck over others without great and unavoidable necessity.
So, are you sure you're the 'real deal'?
Why do you feel the need to prove your essential dishonesty so repeatedly?
Not sure...mostly as a counterpoint to the essential dishonesty of your self-aggrandizing diarrhea diatribes. Someone needs to expose your manifesto mumblings for what they really are, over-blown bullshit. That's just the job I do. Well, that, school, and working at the Target Cafeteria on 95th and Pulaski.
Are you sure you're a cop?
Not yet...my dad is though. He says the CPD is swirling down the toilet, and I should go to college after I finish high school. He thinks you're an idiot too. If you're a cop, then I definitely know I don't want to be one.
Real cops are not government flunkies.
So if government flunkies aren't real cops, you aren't a real cop (obviously).
So, are you sure you're the 'real deal'?
Not sure...I'm only 17, so I've got a way to go yet. You, on the other hand, appear to be stuck wallowing in the manure of your own mind, unfortunately. But I am very sure you're an asshat.
SCC rules!
So, are you sure you're the 'real deal'?
2/29/2008 12:56:00 AM
Why are you so angry? Does ranting like a baby make you feel better? There, there, little boo-boo, take another suck from mama's tit, all is better now...
"2/29/2008 12:06:00 PM + 2/29/2008 04:38:00 PM"
Now that you've parsed and reacted to the parts of my comments you disagree with and don't like, how about parsing the rest of my comments, point by point, just to see if you can.
As for ".....I'm only 17, so I've got a way to go yet." & "But I am very sure you're an asshat." & "Why are you so angry?" & "Not yet...my dad is though." & "Someone needs to expose your manifesto mumblings for what they really are, over-blown bullshit." & "SCC rules!", (to quote a few of your thoughtfully produced comments), let's examine them with a bit more scrutiny:
".....I'm only 17, so I've got a way to go yet."
This may be true or it may not. Since your posts were at 12:06pm and 04:38pm, it's plausible that you are, indeed, a high school student.
If true, it explains a lot about your perspectives, along with "Not yet...my dad is though." and "Someone needs to expose your manifesto mumblings for what they really are, over-blown bullshit.".
Because, it's understandably difficult to learn to think for yourself, when experiencing, 24/7, both the constant imposition of authority, (school, work, cop father) and the many examples of the misuse and abuse of personal freedom, both observed and related, that life in the big titty can be.
"SCC rules!"
In case you really hadn't noticed, many cops have brains and use them.
They post comments of much greater variety and substance and thoughtfulness than merely parroting the party line.
They think thoughts far beyond the thoughts of the makers of the laws they are sworn to enforce.
Some actually think about the nature and constitutional validity of those laws, and the impacts and effects their enforcement of same have upon those citizens they deal with, whether victims of criminal acts, alleged criminal acts or the perpetrators or alleged perpetrators of same.
Some cops go so far as to actually try to be the best human beings that they can be.
That would be, if you can understand it, the best reason for you to become a cop.
And, as for "Why are you so angry?", that's an interesting assumption you've made, in many ways and for many reasons, albeit you may consider it as a valid observation, which it is not.
Back to you, Chumly.
(And thank you, SCC, for your obvious generosity concerning this, and any future, exchange of comments between visitors to your planet.)
2/29/2008 12:56:00 AM:
You definitely are a reel cop, nothing more and a lot less. Your need to demonstrate you are real and have all the answers is missing the point by a mile. Humility is a word you have no concept of.
"Your need to demonstrate you are real and have all the answers is missing the point by a mile. Humility is a word you have no concept of.
3/01/2008 11:12:00 AM"
So, I suggest that one specific rule isn't written in stone, that blindly following that rule won't always achieve the benefits the rule is purported to have been written for, ie., to assure a greater potential for a specific segment of the public's safety, said segment being those citizens who choose to ride bicycles on the public roads, said roads also utilized by motor vehicles of many types and sizes, and you choose to extrapolate and exaggerate.
Humility.
What is your understanding of this word's meaning?
Is it that those who make laws are all humble men and women, all working together to make only those laws that, when obeyed, truly are solely and totally in the best interests of all citizens and for the citizens benefit only?
Is it that those who enforce said laws are all humble men and women who impose said laws upon all citizens equally, fully confident in the 'perfection' of said laws and their imposition's beneficial effects on said citizens?
Is it that those who interpret said laws are all humble men and women, whose sole and sincere interest is for the benefit and welfare of said citizens?
Is it that those who adjudicate said laws are all humble men and women, whose judgments are as perfect as the laws they adjudicate?
Is it that any citizen who may, from time to time, question the blanket assumptions that all laws are created equal, (and, presumably, by lawmakers who are all equally capable and committed to the publics best interest), that all laws are totally beneficial, that the imposition of said laws on everyone is most likely to result in a safer society, that the interpretation and adjudication of said laws is always fair, honest and sincerely intended for the benefit of all citizens, is, by your definition, evidence of a lack of humility?
And is your point that everyone, without exception, must obey every rule, law, regulation, ordinance, etc., without exception, and that this absolute obedience to same will ensure, without exception, the safety of all citizens in compliance with same?
Is that your point?
And is your point that everyone, without exception, must obey every rule, law, regulation, ordinance, etc., without exception, and that this absolute obedience to same will ensure, without exception, the safety of all citizens in compliance with same?
Is that your point?
3/02/2008 01:34:00 AM
Nope, thems your brainchild. What was your question again?
"Nope, thems your brainchild. What was your question again?
3/02/2008 12:28:00 PM"
Now, why am I not surprised at your being non-responsive?
To 3/02/2008 05:41:00 PM:
Humility...hmmm...
Humility has to do with one not being so self-absorbed and reckless in one's actions so as to make one's worth appear greater in relation to that of other human beings.
The comment of 2/25/2008 10:08:00 PM is a shining example of a real lack of humility. Here the poster advocates the disregard of traffic laws to suit himself, the most darwin-esque of all bicyclists. Never mind the other cyclists, motorists, rocket scientists and pedestrians out there trying to navigate the minefields of Chicago traffic and "blindly" follow the "rules of the road", this poster knows better even if the other folks out there don't know he does. Which is the problem. When a bicyclist like 2/25/2008 10:08:00 PM decides to create and follow his own set of the "rules of the road", he forces others (cyclists, motorists, rocket scientists and pedestrians) to adapt to his special "rules of the road" at the spur-of-the-moment they come in contact, he places these unsuspecting folks in harms way unnecessarily. That ain't humility, that's arrogance.
Words of wisdom from 2/26/2008 11:35:00 PM: "Oh, and if you're concerned about my chosen path coming in conflict with cyclist's following the rules, I can also see them coming a block away and I yield the 'right of way' to their stupidity."
That ain't humility, that's arrogance. It ain't just cyclists you have to look out for but then 2/26/2008 11:35:00 PM knew that already. So did Matthew Manger-Lynch.
It's dangerous enough out there riding on Chicago's streets, we don't need any more kamikaze cyclists inventing their own rules of engagement adding to the mix.
Blah, blah, blah...
Is it that any citizen who may, from time to time, question the blanket assumptions that all laws are created equal, (and, presumably, by lawmakers who are all equally capable and committed to the publics best interest), that all laws are totally beneficial, that the imposition of said laws on everyone is most likely to result in a safer society, that the interpretation and adjudication of said laws is always fair, honest and sincerely intended for the benefit of all citizens, is, by your definition, evidence of a lack of humility?
And is your point that everyone, without exception, must obey every rule, law, regulation, ordinance, etc., without exception, and that this absolute obedience to same will ensure, without exception, the safety of all citizens in compliance with same?
Is that your point?
3/02/2008 01:34:00 AM
Your point seems to be to pound your rabid hatred of all laws (rational or not, don't matter none) and your luv of free-wheelin' self-determination into the discussion of the demise of Mr. Matthew Manger-Lynch. Logic and common sense be darned, you'll ride the WRONG way down the street without side mirrors no matter what. Nice job. Yawn.
Why are you so angry? Relax, live a little. Have a beer enima, you deserve it. Watch some on-line porn, gamble, and try to put some of that self-righteousness away for a rainy day. The end of the world will be here soon enough.
Is you computer broken? You need to find a way to translate from your native bullshit into english. Yikes...
"....Your point seems to be to pound your rabid hatred of all laws (rational or not, don't matter none)....
3/03/2008 01:18:00 PM"
You should consider getting into politics, you've got the being a liar and dishonest exaggeration down pat.
Check in with your local precinct captain, the politicians are always looking for new flunkies.
You should consider getting into politics, you've got the being a liar and dishonest exaggeration down pat.
Check in with your local precinct captain, the politicians are always looking for new flunkies.
3/03/2008 10:49:00 PM
Embrace the self-righteousness, it fits you like a condom.
3/03/2008 10:49:00 PM:
You're retiring then? Godspeed.
"Embrace the self-righteousness, it fits you like a condom.
3/04/2008 10:21:00 AM"
Embrace your self-righteousness, it fits you like a condom.
Unlike a condom, though, self-righteousness is usually much less effective as a prophylactic.
Better to just say no to self-righteousness and just say yes to using your beaner, rather than assigning the thinking part of living to others, elected, appointed, employed or otherwise presenting themselves as surrogate thinkers thinking for you.
Try thinking about it, it only hurts a little, at first, until you build up those mental muscles you've avoided exercising so far.
Try thinking about it, it only hurts a little, at first, until you build up those mental muscles you've avoided exercising so far.
3/05/2008 04:39:00 PM
Like when you poop out words of wisdumb? Indeed.
Better to just say no to self-righteousness and just say yes to using your beaner, rather than assigning the thinking part of living to others, elected, appointed, employed or otherwise presenting themselves as surrogate thinkers thinking for you.
3/05/2008 04:39:00 PM
Yes, but I don't have a beaner. Will a Texican or Guatemalan due? Praise be to the God of your choice.
"Yes, but I don't have a beaner. Will a Texican or Guatemalan due? Praise be to the God of your choice.
3/06/2008 12:59:00 PM"
Our future generation speaks.
"Humility has to do with one not being so self-absorbed and reckless in one's actions so as to make one's worth appear greater in relation to that of other human beings.
3/03/2008 12:37:00 PM"
So, none of the people who make the laws ever consider themselves of greater worth than those whom said laws are imposed upon?
So, none of the people who interpret and adjudicate said laws ever consider themselves to be of greater worth than those upon whom their interpretations and adjudications are imposed?
So, none of the people who enforce said laws ever consider themselves of greater worth than those whom they force to comply with said laws?
So, everyone who chooses to base their actions on their own, personal assessment of the circumstances in any given situation, determining which course of action is the most likely to cause no harm, to themselves or to others, but contrary to any given law, is, by definition, devoid of humility, as defined by you?
How humble of you, to assert that everyone's worth is no greater than anyone else's and, at the same time, call yourself 'duh reel poleeze', insist that the makers of law, and the laws they make, are all perfect and accuse anyone who questions a specific law's value of being arrogant.
You're just a bundle of irony, aren't you?
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