Overheard at the Social Club
We think we heard this also, because they were talking about it where we were at. It needed it's own post though:
- Cline's claim to fame was his ability to reduce the number of homicides. He sold Hillard that he was capable of performing miracles.
What really was going on was Cline, then Malloy and finally Maher were utilizing the two homicide review officers who work outside the office of the Chief of Detectives to reclassify homicides back to death investigations.
It made the CPD look like it was doing a tremendous job but is was all Bull Shit.
Pam Zekman had it right but "Fat Phil" lied to her and the citizens of Chicago to benefit himself and his gang.
Just another example of how devious he was and it will take years for CPD to recover.
We heard, third hand, that J-Fed is having the homicide numbers for the past three years reviewed for "classification errors" that may have hidden certain deaths from being counted.
Long time readers will recall this theory making a regular appearance in the comment sections and it being the subject of at least one Pam Zekman report that made a certain Deputy Chief look a bit uncomfortable during an interview.
We have a disturbing feeling the hits haven't stopped coming yet.
Long time readers will recall this theory making a regular appearance in the comment sections and it being the subject of at least one Pam Zekman report that made a certain Deputy Chief look a bit uncomfortable during an interview.
We have a disturbing feeling the hits haven't stopped coming yet.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
74 Comments:
oh shit....will I have to turn in my crime reduction award??
Does this mean that mattie and mikey murph will not make LT?
Who knows if Cline or others "played" with the numbers or not.
But J-Fed knows that he can't be the police supt getting $300,000.00+ a year and have murders increase at that pay.
So its simple math, enlarge the previously reported numbers so you don't have to take a hit on rising homicide numbers.
It's a well known fact that deputy sup SP did not like chief of dets MM. Got her dumped, thats fine, today her husband got dumped. It has never been the CPD way to go after a family member. SP, just lost all respect for you. Starting to believe all the people who say your "nuts".
3/21/2008 08:47:00 PM
Dont jump to conclusions. Kline is the one who initiated the OCD policy that said you can only be assigned to a task force for 3 years and must be rotated out. Lil Ricky is the only sgt who over stayed his 3 years by many.
Kline also had detectives assigned to hidta under Ricky to work dope related homicides. Not necessary. Woulnd't be shocked to see them all going back soon.
Cool your jets about the memo that JJ wrote on details. They are doing an inventory of manpower trying to find all the unaccounted bodies that pc and friends hid throughout the years. The focus is on uncovering those bullshit inside jobs that we all know about.
Hay j-fed, you got yourself in some real deeeeeep shit now... with no paddle. Just think, you thought the blue shirts were the problem in this department. HAAAAA
Id like to say one thing: NO SHIT, DICK TRACY! That's old news. That was talked about on this blog over a year ago.
How many burgalries were reclassifed as criminal damage to property to keep numbers down! We have little manpower but the jagballs at the top just kill crime guess the old boss may have a problem!
Does this mean that I have to return my Crime Reduction Ribbon? WHAT A FU@*ING JOKE!!!
Pam Zekman, Debra Kirby's identical twin, is and has always been a piece of shit, period!
Precisely why the feds have taken over. Incarcerate the bean counters and their bosses.
Police officers have been indicted in Florida for playing games with crime statistics to make the bosses look good.
Let us hope it does not happen here.
Man I hope the truth comes out!
You show yur ignorance once again. Maybe it was the guys at the airport who killed homicides. When Cline started there were 666 homicides a year. When he left, there we had somewhere around 446. And you attribute to cooking the books. Let it go. What did Cline do to you?....prevent you from going to the midway tac team.
Phat Phil's "legacy"will be that he was a lying,manipulative,and dishonorable piece of fecal matter.About 400 pounds of it.
SO what else is new? This Dept., and countless others, have been fudging statistics since stats have been kept and studied.
Even if Weis attempts to keep stats on the up and up, those under him will make efforts to bury some index crimes, if only to make the boss look good, thereby increasing the odds that the manipulator will receive a promotion. And so it goes....
So what you're saying is that repressive gun controls DON'T reduce crime?
FINALLY, EVERYONE IS SEEING THE TRUTH ABOUT FAT PHIL AND HIS RAMPANT CORRUPTION AND CLOUT ANTICS.
IS AN INDICTMENT IN THE NEAR FUTURE???
HOW CAN FAT PHIL RETIRE MAKING WELL OVER SIX FIGURES AND THEN TAKE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY IN A SALARY FOR HIS POLICE MEMORIAL FOUNDATION?
Your great conspiracy theory does not hold water, because homicides are classified by the assigned detective in the Area not by two people sitting outside the Chief of Detective's Office.
Learn something about this job before you publish this bullshit.
Old Homicide Detective
Anonymous said...
It's a well known fact that deputy sup SP did not like chief of dets MM. Got her dumped, thats fine, today her husband got dumped. It has never been the CPD way to go after a family member. SP, just lost all respect for you. Starting to believe all the people who say your "nuts".
3/21/2008 08:47:00 PM
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UUMMM, actually it was MM who despised SP and went out of her way to berate him and try to make him look like a fool. I laughed my A$$ off when he was announced as her new boss. As for her hubby he was in his spot because of who he was married to. SP has the right to pick people he can trust. Don't feel sorry for hubby, he always has her to look at when he goes home.
I wonder if it was the same saloon where I heard the details of the 017 District Tact stupidity. Greed is not good my freinds.
If Weis and Peterson have any sense they will indicate that the audit Grau ordered has been completed and the number of homicides have been corrected.
They should not point the finger at anyone.
If the media starts to ask questions then they should have Chasen respond to them.
It is much easier to reveal the bad news at the start of one's time in office than later on when one might have to assume some of the blame.
WOAH< This is fucking breaking news! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHA Crime up 5% and homicides up 15% just through february! I love it, its not even warm yet. Welcome to Chicago JFED! The blueshirts run the dept and u will look like a real fucking ass by july if you continue to fuck this dept up. NO ONE is doing shit and the #'s are starting to reflect it. By july the ghettos will be jumping and your ass will be nice and hot. Spend that salary well!!!!!!!!
Hey J-Fed, keep doing what your're doing. Clean house and also fix our merit system.
They can try and rip my CRIME REDUCTION AWARD from my cold dead hands. ...never..I earned it. It looks next to my American flag and Caps award.......ASSHAT>>>>
Anonymous said...
Does this mean that mattie and mikey murph will not make LT?
3/22/2008 11:35:00 PM
Mike Murphy, what a piece of work. Squeezed everyone for donations to memorial fund. Conned recruits to fill out deduction forms the first day. He lied and intimiated everyone to get every penny for his boss. Now he expects a promotion? Did he ever work the street as a sgt or went to a very special unit? He has absolutely no leadership experience. But does have clout.
I've been in the D division for 15 years. Never as a supervisor. The Mayor and Superintendent want the murder rate to go down. Nobody else cares. What do we care if the city has over 800, 900 murders. Me and other dicks are not going to "hide" murders to make Richie look good. There may be 1-4 deaths citywide each year where the department and the M.E. can not say for absolute certainty was a Suicide vs. Homicide. Maybe 1-4. The murder totals did not drop from the 900s in the late 1990s to the 400s in the mid 2000s because of any numbers games. It also had nothing to do with Cline and his DOC strategy etc, etc. It's because the public housing has been torn down, or the residents where moved out. Crime is skyrocketing in the southern suburbs and down in Chicago. Why? Many of the criminals have been moved out that way. Did we become a much better police department and the south suburban departments suddenly become less effective? Hell no. It's the residents stupid!
Does this mean the tools who proudly wear the Crime Reduction Award (The only Award to go with their 3 Honorable Mentions in their multi-year career) will have to take it off?
Other than their Bluetueff, how are they gonna looks cool?
from all accounts rick M.(the ex-chiefs husband) was excellent at his job. if he was dumped because the screaming skull(S.P.) didn't like his wife that s total bullshit. if it was his turn to move out of the unit, he needs to end up in narcotics or the d unit because of his knowledge and experience. I haven't seen the transfer order but if he did go back to a district, those officers will be lucky because he can pass on his knowledge to them...
jfed at his last exempt meeting called cline, maybe the best supt. this dept has ever seen..except he left a legacy of alcohol abusers behind him...this should give you an insight as to where jfed's brain is, cline was the best at patronage, promoting beyond the level of peoples' competence(to many to list), treating patrol like they are pieces of shit, listening to one person on a topic and claiming them to be experts(cronin), and so on and so on, etc...
Phat Phil's "legacy"will be that he was a lying,manipulative,and dishonorable piece of fecal matter.About 400 pounds of it!!
Best true Statement to date
Hope Phatty has a Quadruple bypass!
Oh ya, DEPT SUP SP is nuts and vindictive. Look at the new order. Pavone Gone from Area 1 VC He was Petersen's VC Lt. in area four given to him by MM Pavone is now in 6th District. Now two of Area 4's "best Sgts". LA and BC are going to Cold Case. When you are driving down Homan, watch for Det's jumping out the windows.
LT. JJ leaving 011 Tac to take VC Job in Area 2. When you are driving to court and hear a very loud celebration going on near Harrison and Kedzie, it will be the 011th Dist gang and tacs teams. JJ good ridence AND take your RED PEN with you. Homicides GOING UP SIR>>>>>>>>>
Ricky should of been chased because he was "Fat Phil's" close friend not because of his wife.
The next one to go should be "Carla the Hog" as she has been doing nothing for years except acting as Cline's #1 cheerleader.
Her big investigation is all nonsense.
Another item that should be responded too is the falsehood that Cline did not go after family members of those he disliked. He did mess with a relative of someone who stood in his way and that individual threatened to go to the Mayor and Cline backed down.
TO: "Anonymous" with the 3/20 posts near the bottom of the "Not Again?" thread.
I still await your response to my heartfelt apology. You have my eMail address. cpdfop7@yahoo.com
I desperately need your guidance in order that I may improve. Please help me.
s/"fuknutz" (the "moron")
P.S.: Happy Easter!
Homicide conspiracy? SCC, your recent illness apparently affected your brain. There is no second set of books. The numers are correct. Your hatred of Cline is no reason to publish such bullshit.
It's a well known fact that deputy sup SP did not like chief of dets MM. Got her dumped, thats fine, today her husband got dumped. It has never been the CPD way to go after a family member. SP, just lost all respect for you. Starting to believe all the people who say your "nuts".
3/21/2008 08:47:00 PM
Dont jump to conclusions. Kline is the one who initiated the OCD policy that said you can only be assigned to a task force for 3 years and must be rotated out. Lil Ricky is the only sgt who over stayed his 3 years by many.
Kline also had detectives assigned to hidta under Ricky to work dope related homicides. Not necessary. Woulnd't be shocked to see them all going back soon.
3/22/2008 11:46:00 PM
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The policy was 2 years. It just seems funny how the FBI task force Sgt.'s and their personnel were told by JFed that they can stay 5 years.
Peterson my friend you truly are nuts, you put a man back in a district who truly cares for the job, works his ass off and gives 9 hours for 8.
WTF ! Now you are using Pam Zekman to back your rather stupid argument regarding the murder stats?
Instead of the BS just ask a few Homicide Dets. their opinion. You will find that they laugh at the notion that murders have somehow been "hidden" by Cline or anyone else.
Dear Dep. Supt. Peterson,
I sure fell sorry for your son because when you are gone he is going to endure some severe work conditions. Even though you have no idea who I am and I am not crazy enough to tell you, I can tell you one thing he better pray I never make Commander.
But hey I am sure he paid his dues to be on the gun team with under 5 years on the job.
Just remember you can't stay for your son's whole career to protect him, and the way that you have been treating people, well buddy you have a lot of people pissed off at you.
Oh and by the way take Mr. Plastic face JFed out in the ghetto in the summer not during a snowstorm.
Signed Your friendly Neighborhood LT.
and remeber everyone if you really want to fuck j-fed and daley do every possible case report as possible and dont downplay anything like the poster said earlier making burglaries criminal damages...dont talk yourself out of paper just do it..i mean most simple case reports dont even take 10 minutes..dont you feel the crime rate is going up up up!!
Anonymous said...
Pam Zekman, Debra Kirby's identical twin, is and has always been a piece of shit, period!
3/23/2008 01:28:00 AM
She write the truth and is not affected by clout. The other reporters cannot investigate a story and write from the blog. Pam has a brain and talent to investigate. Do not compare Pam with Kirby. Pam earned her job.
3/23/2008 06:06:00am
Cline may be all those things as well as a "back door artist" etc., but stupid he isn't. No way that he's going to get burned with the "stat" issue. He copied New York and their tactics worked here too, simple as that.
What really was going on was Cline, then Malloy and finally Maher were utilizing the two homicide review officers who work outside the office of the Chief of Detectives to reclassify homicides back to death investigations.
King Daley knew damn well what was going on!
Who knows if Cline or others "played" with the numbers or not.
But J-Fed knows that he can't be the police supt getting $300,000.00+ a year and have murders increase at that pay.
So its simple math, enlarge the previously reported numbers so you don't have to take a hit on rising homicide numbers
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I couldn't agree more.If you back and change the numbers then this years numbers won't look as bad.
Anonymous said...
SO what else is new? This Dept., and countless others, have been fudging statistics since stats have been kept and studied.
Even if Weis attempts to keep stats on the up and up, those under him will make efforts to bury some index crimes, if only to make the boss look good, thereby increasing the odds that the manipulator will receive a promotion. And so it goes....
3/23/2008 06:12:00 AM
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If I can recall Mike Atkins 016 Commander was offered the "spot" of "Dep. Supe Statistical Fudger" initially and respectfully he turned it down and retired!
Smart man and Good Man!
Anonymous said...
I wonder if it was the same saloon where I heard the details of the 017 District Tact stupidity. Greed is not good my freinds.
3/23/2008 08:23:00 AM
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I dont think you have many (FREINDS) as you spell it Midnight wonders. Typing at 8:00-9:30 every morning to blast the tact teams in 017? Why not work with Beativc and kerneesshe they know what they are doing over there. They'll help you get merit with all their activity.
017 2nd Watch
Hey T.N.(lil'red headed tribesman) & D.K.(the disgruntled midget cops) of 017th 3rd watch stop trying to stir shit up. There is no scandal going on in 017 tact. Now where's me Lucky Charms?
Mike Murphy, what a piece of work. Squeezed everyone for donations to memorial fund. Conned recruits to fill out deduction forms the first day. He lied and intimiated everyone to get every penny for his boss. Now he expects a promotion? Did he ever work the street as a sgt or went to a very special unit? He has absolutely no leadership experience. But does have clout.
3/23/2008 10:09:00 AM
If your going to criticize someone by name post your own
COWARD!!
I've read it in old case reports, Agg Batt with a handgun and the dude was hot in the head and dead on scene, but in court charged with murder.
Your great conspiracy theory does not hold water, because homicides are classified by the assigned detective in the Area not by two people sitting outside the Chief of Detective's Office.
Learn something about this job before you publish this bullshit.
Old Homicide Detective
3/23/2008 08:11:00 AM
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You couldn't be more right.
Damn these posts show the sheer ignorance of the people on this job. They are just as susceptible to conspiracy-theory-garbage as the people they constantly complain about on street corners.
Hey officer, there is no cover-up just because you wrote a Hospitalization "Death Investigation" for a possible homicide.
The Medical Examiner makes the final determination on the cause of death. Cases are re-classified to reflect the ME's results. The police homicide numbers are easily checked with the ME's homicide numbers.
Hey SCC, I heard that a 1st watch car in the 8th District was kidnapped by aliens, and thats why they were red-lined last month. The kicker is the aliens are in cahoots with that beat Sergeant that hates their guts.
Use it SCC. Spread it. Spread more ignorance and misinformation.
Fact: The asian female docotr found dead in Lincoln Park stabbed in the chest several months ago is still a death invetigation, even though they tried to turn it into a suicide. That one is still not a murdeer.
Scc dude.......
What happened to my post about SP and MM?
Ya mean tht ole Pumkin Head himself, Ricardo Pavon finally caught his? Karmas a bitch ain't it. What goes around comes around. Treat people like shit Rickey and one day it all catches up with you. Hope ya like 006 Lt. Better hope the price of gas doesn't go much higher. Long ride from home to 006.
Pam Zekman, Debra Kirby's identical twin, is and has always been a piece of shit, period!
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I was a journalist before CPD ( Yes, I am ashamed of how I wasted my youth) and I believe Zeckman. She really works hard and has more integrity than most of the other pond scum. Give her a break. She was right to challenge the cooked numbers and she was spot on. She is a miserable person, but good at what she does.
That one is still not a murdeer.
3/23/2008 09:01:00 PM
I was wondering, is murdeer French for murder, or where you kill a whitetail without justification?
"If I can recall Mike Atkins 016 Commander was offered the "spot" of "Dep. Supe Statistical Fudger" initially and respectfully he turned it down and retired!
Smart man and Good Man!
3/23/2008 05:08:00 PM"
One of the Best!!
True Gentleman in every sense of the word...
The detectives that work outside the Chief of Detectives's office have what is called "super rights" for the CHRIS system. That gives them the power to override the classification that a detective in an Area decides an investigation should carry.
That is how Cline, then Malloy and then Maher kept the number of homicides down during their reigns.
It should be noted that the detectives that did this prior to Cline's arrival as Chief of Detectives retired shortly after his appointment to the post and he picked the replacements with this program in mind.
017th Tact.... Jeans/Carheart/and cup of starbucks in hand! your a joke and just because you worked in 15 or 11 at some point you now think you are the shit here! your not you look like a fool. Take alook at the Burg team...they may only have 2years on but they know that if you blow asshat your on the team.
WHAT'S WITH THE FN ASSIGNMENTS TO "BAS" ETC.
WOW.... MUST BE NICE TO STAY INSIDE!!!
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THESE OFFICERS WILL BE DOING???????
VERY CURIOUS MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!!!
LETS HERE IT FROM THE TOWER- WHO THEYRE KEEPING FROM HITTING THE STREETS ..................................................
It's a well known fact that deputy sup SP did not like chief of dets MM. Got her dumped, thats fine, today her husband got dumped. It has never been the CPD way to go after a family member. SP, just lost all respect for you. Starting to believe all the people who say your "nuts".
You must be a MM groupie!!!
MM gets bashed on this site often because she was a terrible boss. She would yell and scream at people. She was also a micro-manager.
I worked for her and could verify her unprofessional behavior.
She could probabaly compared to Clinton in personality, pleasant when it served her a bitch the next minute. If you stood up for yourself like many officers and detectives did, she used her husband and other people around her to go after you. She has put bricks on many good officers because they disagreed with her.
I doubt if SP is going after her husband for "revengful reasons" but, Karma is also a bitch.
I hope you don't think that fat phil reduced the crime rate through brain power. Matt Rodriguez did the same thing. This is all those scam artist who work for chief's office do, scam the rest of us, the public and media.
Rodriguez gave a count of the murder rate toward the end of the year. Two days later he again gave a total number of murders. By this time the number of murder count dropped by three. A triple ressurection on Chistmas. Matt, you old drunken asshole, you had you holidays mixed up. I guess you didn't have any outfit guys to do the math?
It's a well known fact that deputy sup SP did not like chief of dets MM. Got her dumped, thats fine, today her husband got dumped. It has never been the CPD way to go after a family member. SP, just lost all respect for you. Starting to believe all the people who say your "nuts".
3/21/2008 08:47:00 PM
Dont jump to conclusions. Kline is the one who initiated the OCD policy that said you can only be assigned to a task force for 3 years and must be rotated out. Lil Ricky is the only sgt who over stayed his 3 years by many.
Kline also had detectives assigned to hidta under Ricky to work dope related homicides. Not necessary. Woulnd't be shocked to see them all going back soon.
3/22/2008 11:46:00 PM
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The policy was 2 years. It just seems funny how the FBI task force Sgt.'s and their personnel were told by JFed that they can stay 5 years.
Peterson my friend you truly are nuts, you put a man back in a district who truly cares for the job, works his ass off and gives 9 hours for 8.
3/23/2008 01:39:00 PM
Lets start out by saying HITDA, Ricky & DEA Billy are a fucking joke. Put all the hard working detectives that are working dope there not homicides or agg batts back in the D unit were they belong. As KJ and HH the Sgts before him did their 2 years and out so should Ricky, oh HH didn’t do 2 years and was moved to get the spot for Ricky boy. Oh but he gets more time because of Cline not his little PR stooge of a wife. The people who think Ricky is some great copper “merit promotion by the way” any asshole can listen to wires and know where to rip the dope from. You should have stayed a Det and not taken the Sgt promotion and then you wouldn’t have this problem. And don’t cry for him as he should just retire and sit on the beach in Florida with Phil in one of his condos they own together and Maria can bring them fajitas and margaritas all day. Oh and I am sure SAS Cronin will be right with them. What a waste of our pension dollars Maria retired Chiefs pay, Cronin at DC and Ricky at Sgt. All getting more pension $ because Cline merit promotions.
Anonymous said...
I've been in the D division for 15 years. Never as a supervisor. The Mayor and Superintendent want the murder rate to go down. Nobody else cares. What do we care if the city has over 800, 900 murders. Me and other dicks are not going to "hide" murders to make Richie look good. There may be 1-4 deaths citywide each year where the department and the M.E. can not say for absolute certainty was a Suicide vs. Homicide. Maybe 1-4. The murder totals did not drop from the 900s in the late 1990s to the 400s in the mid 2000s because of any numbers games. It also had nothing to do with Cline and his DOC strategy etc, etc. It's because the public housing has been torn down, or the residents where moved out. Crime is skyrocketing in the southern suburbs and down in Chicago. Why? Many of the criminals have been moved out that way. Did we become a much better police department and the south suburban departments suddenly become less effective? Hell no. It's the residents stupid!
3/23/2008 10:14:00 AM
you are right on the money. as i have spoken to some northwest suburban coppers i know. the crime is up out there as well. its the public housing pushed out there by daley.
Oh hell yes this has everything to with gentrification and nothing to do with cooking the numbers or Cline's tactics used for fighting crime.
All you have to do is look at 002, 010, 011, 012, 014.
002, 010, 011 in the 80s and 90s had 80+ homicides each. In 2007? 002 had 16 homicides, 010 had 23 homicides, 011 had 36 homicides.
012 and 014 was out of control in the 80s and 90s and even the early 2000s with 30+ homicides yearly. In 2007 012 and 014 had 6 homicides a piece. Go to 012 and 014 now, all condos.
check out beats 1124, 1125, 1134, 1135. Where the projects used to be around. 1135s beat didn't have a shooting or homicide in 2007.
IT IS ALL GENTRIFICATION!
Anonymous said...
Mike Murphy, what a piece of work. Squeezed everyone for donations to memorial fund. Conned recruits to fill out deduction forms the first day. He lied and intimiated everyone to get every penny for his boss. Now he expects a promotion? Did he ever work the street as a sgt or went to a very special unit? He has absolutely no leadership experience. But does have clout.
3/23/2008 10:09:00 AM
If your going to criticize someone by name post your own
COWARD!!
3/23/2008 08:12:00 PM
Come Mike. He did not call you a thief.
I see the jag above calls himself "COWARD"
check out beats 1124, 1125, 1134, 1135. Where the projects used to be around. 1135s beat didn't have a shooting or homicide in 2007.
Except for that minor homicide in February of 2007 involving off duty Chicago Police Officer Jose Vasquez.
Good god are you a dumbfuck.
Where is Kolmen? We miss her.
COWARD!!
3/23/2008 08:12:00 PM
Come Mike. He did not call you a thief.
I see the jag above calls himself "COWARD"
3/24/2008 08:31:00 PM
Mike is not a thief or coward. He stepped on many people to advanced his cause. He hurt people and forced donations. Took credit for work done by others. Mike cares for Mike and memorial fund was a way to help himself. Now he is a sgt soon to be LT. He has the qualities to be a exempt. Be proud of your work, Mike.
All of the above and then some, yeah "they" cooked the books on some cases, especially at the end of the year when a "target" number of homicides for the year is announced. Gentrification helped too and tearing down the projects shifted crime to the suburbs - does anyone have any numbers for homicides in the metro areas outside of Chicago? How about those EMS folks and ER doc's - saved alot more lives than they used to - good for real victims and the todays victim/tommorows offender repeat ER visitors. Do you trust the Medical examiners office? Since it's so well run and non political? Do any of you feel safer in Chicago with all the supposed reduction in crime?
Then just out of curiousity, why do morons keep coming on here asking the mayor to lift the residency? So the 300,000.00 houses now worth 200,000.00 will be worth 85,000.00 or maybe even 65,000.00? That's what they were selling for in 1983 and what some financial experts expect the housing market to revert to during this recession.
I can't think of a single reason anyone not forced to buy in Chicago would do so.
Say what you want about Cline and his choices, but the new guy is no better. Take a look at his moves all have juice, and the Sgts that went into the Executive Class this week all are clout heavey. Its the same book with a different cover.
Poor little Ricky Maher, Him and that Goof Barney Graf made so much money in overtime that they should be looked at, anyway Rickys clout was Hanley from the Unions, Ricky would get Drunk and tell everyone how heavy he was, And Maria, when she came up to Gangs North they put her undercover buying dope in Humboldt Pk, But one problem, She didn't speakee Panish, If Ricky is back, too bad, He had his turn and when your guy is gone, its over, he is too young to retire so he has to wait to 50. he will survive, but Barney, no way, a jag off like him who burned so many bridges thinking the detail would never end, it's over, remember Barney paybacks are a Bitch, Love Kurt Hageman
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