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- Chicago police and school officials are hoping parents will take heed of a new curfew that goes into effect Saturday night and ensure that their children are home on time.
The new law requires that youths ages 17 and younger be home a half an hour earlier, at 11 p.m. on Fridays and Saturday and 10 p.m. the rest of the week.
All well and good. But we're so shorthanded, enforcing this new rule will be a feat of mind bending flexibility that we aren't sure is going to happen. And what about this?
- A 12-year-old girl was shot and wounded on the city's Southeast Side in what police described as a gang-related incident, officials said.
The shooting occurred about 9 p.m. in the 8900 block of South Houston Avenue, police said.
The girl was running away from the gunfire when she was struck by a bullet in her lower back
Why not 9pm curfews? 830pm curfews?
When do you stop drawing the line?
When do you stop drawing the line?
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posted by SCC at 6:49 AM
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No one on the street after 18oo hrs.Summary punishment-Tazed.
You are right about being short-handed. I cannot believe the public still believes the bullshit fed to them about us having 13,500 officers.
It is more like 9,000. Ask anyone in the finance section that cuts the checks.
Minus how many hundred for being exempts, how many thousands for being bosses/sergeants, how many thousands for pushing desks/lockups, how many hundreds for working in units thats don't see the streets (academy, headquarters, erps, courts, etc), how many hundreds for being detectives, ET's, etc.
I'd like to see the REAL number of PO's on the street, has to be closer to 5,000.
We are out-manned, out-gunned and the thugs know it. They can smell the blood in the water.
Get ready for a bloody spring/summer Chicago!
I can't stand my own teenagers. There's not a chance in hell I'm going out looking for more.
Useless
Kind of as a side note on the subject of shorthanded, is it interesting to note that if you look into the personnel tables in CLEARDW and pull all the employees who are P for police and A for active member, you'll see 13,498 people listed as working police personnel? I can recall a time a little over a year ago when if you did this you'd see just under 10000 names pulled. Seeing as how we've only lost more officers rather than add to the compliment, I wonder who's idea it was to corrupt the tables to support the fabricated number of 13,500? Maybe it was done so the media has no way of getting hold of the real count of active police officers so they can't force Daley to account for the tax money taken from the citizens to pay for 13,500 officers when the real number is closer to 9300? Maybe this list should be made available to all districts and units so they can subtract those they know to be on disability and retired to accurately reflect the number of paychecks cut on the 1st & 16th.
It looks like another one of Tobias' merit hockey boys is about to go down. Tact Sgt 017 is are latest buffoon unfortunately, he's taking others with.
GIVE ME THREE HOURS COURT TIME EACH TIME I WRITE A CURFEW AND SEISER AND I WILL CLEAN UP THE CITY.
i haven't written a curfew in about 3 years, don't plan on starting either. they made the forms longer and they always insist on making more nonsense paperwork for us,
But the parents don't care if their kid(s) are out on the streets! So you scoop them up, take them home and as soon as you're around the block the kids go back outside and mommy doesn't give a sh*t!
COPS KILL ME THEY LOVE MORE RESTRICTIVE LAWS ON PUBLIC AND THAN COMPLAIN THEY WANT A BREAK IF THEY MAKE A MISTAKE. DONT YOU GUYS NOTICE WE ARE MOVING TOWARD A MORE RESTRICTED SOCIETY ACROSS THE BOARD ? FEAR IS THE WORD OF THE DAY. WE FEAR LOSING OUR JOBS FOR ONE MISTAKE, THE PUBLIC IS OVER TAXED AND FINED , BUISNESS IS OVER REGULATED.CAMERAS AND BUGS KEEP TABS ON US AND EVEN IF THEY ARENT WE LIVE IN AN ALOMOST A SELF IMPOSED PARANOID STATE. THIS IS NOT AMERICA. I FOR ONE REFUSE TO LIVE MY LIFE LIKE A GREEN HAT WEARING SOCAILIST. SPEAK UP , COMPLAIN ROCK THE BOAT. THE FOUNDING FATHERS RISKED A HANGMENS NOOSE TO MAKE A BETTER LIFE, REMEMBER THEY WERE RICH.THEY JUST WANTED FREEDOM NO MAN CAN LIVE IN CONSTANT FEAR AND STRESS.I BELIEVE ON THIS JOB THERE IS A LEADER WHO WILL STAND UP AND AT LEAST BE A VOICE FOR US. THINK ABOUT THIS AGREE OR NOT 30 YEARS AGO DID YOU THINK GAY MARRIGE WOULD EVEN BE AN ISSUE. THE GAYS FOUGHT STUCK TOGETHER (LITERALLY) AND NOW LIKE THEM OR HATE THEM THEY HOLD POWER. WE CAN TOO.TO ALL YOU FOOLS WHO SAY JUST DO YOUR JOB , YOUR WORSE THAN ANY OUTSIDE FORCE.
Looks like that gun ban is working real well...............
When you the Mayor stop being deathly afraid of Black People, strap on a pair & tell them about personal accountability & responsibility.
Most of all, stop being overly reliant on Government intervention to solve all your problems...
what time did that shooting at crane happen???? how about marshall law???
twit wit, bea-bee was on the noon news what a disgrace, waitress-homewrecker-illegiate mommy to chief of patrol talking about parenting and curfews
All these "school" children being shot...has anyone noticed the common denominator????
Off topic....Now with the new legit command staff....Any sgt. or officer still in patrol....either wants to be there...has a poor resume....or cant pass promotional exam.......
a couple of things: 1) we hear some about the curfew "index" (i.e., some boss says, our curfews are "down"), a number based on some ratio of index crimes to (?); has anyone ever examined, in a rational and detailed fashion, this index to any other set of numbers/crimes, in an analysis that makes any sense? (in other words, what goof came up with this index, and can they justify it based on a rational mathematical analysis); 2) has the city ever published the total numbers of crime victims who are under curfew age, and whose incidents occurred during curfew hours, then compared those numbers to: a) total crimes during the time frame and victimization based on victim age; b) total numbers of the "underage" population of the city; 3) maybe the city can make a statement to the effect that, although it's important that parents take (or try to take) control of their children, we realize that in many situations, there is no family, so....we (the liberal establishment) will be your family; we will try and keep you alive, at least until you reach adulthood, where you will probably (no guarantees, though) will get locked up for something, or join the permanent underclass....
I rarely post on this blog. Enough is enough and I have had enough of the Tobias bashing. I know 1 tact Sgt in 017 who happens to play hockey. I won't mention his name or initials. He is a strange dude though.
That Sgt has no connection to Tobias!!!!!!!!!! If knowing somebodys name is a connection then hell, I have alot of connections. I play hockey for the CPD. I don't have a connection with Tobias other than him knowing my name. The CPD FOP Stars Hockey Club has 3 teams with over 60 police officers on the teams. I guess Tobias has so much clout that all 60 players are in Units or Merit promotions. That couldn't be further from the truth. Hell there are probably 40 former CPD FOP Stars Hockey Club members on the job. I guess all those guys are in merit/clout spots to.
Whoever wrote the comment about the 017th dist Tact Sgt is a typical crybaby on this job.
No facts all talk. The Sgt in 017 could have done something dumb, it wouldn't suprise me. That fact that he plays hockey is meaningless.
Speaking of Tobias I was at the game at the U C and let me tell you it s time Tobias did the right thing and pulled the plug. Hey Matt you dont have the skills to be on the ice unless you are driving the zambonie.
You are, have been, and always will be a big goof.
Mayor Daley's Gun control/grabbing ordinances are really working well !
I left a comment on the Trib. blog critical of J-Fraund and the shooting of the little girl at 89th/Houston last. Checked back 1hr later and it was gone. Keep reading them online. Trib reported they lost 69mil in the 1st quarter after the sale. Just say no to Suntimes/Trib. and J-Fraud.
To 3/21/2008 11:15:00 AM
Are you paying attention?
"Cops" don't want this more restrictive curfew or more restrictive gun control, and if you read other threads, continued narcotics enforcement.
Come on, do you actualy think that any of this shit (cerfew, dope baggies, impounds, anov, tickets...) has ANYTHING to do with stoping or solving any type of crime? The most of the police have been, or soon will be nothing but armed revenue collectors. The Mayor is crying "poor". The City is over budget. The price of EVERYTHING is going up (gas, county tax, the tickets we hand out, food...) and we are going to continue to pimp ourselves for a City Govt that could give a fuck less about us, to a public that is less than thankfull. But maby I'm wrong.
Way off topic,PO from TRU stripped today,was on the news he was stopped in Kentucky,they found a trap in his car,DEA is involved,sucks to be him and thanks for another black for the dept.
yeah, here, we doubled your pain in the ass factor with this new form and regulations now get busy topping the index from last year.
THESE ASSHOLES DON'T HAVE A CLUE !
oh yeah, your raise is still tied up......hizzoner wants more intrest money.....but you will get it eventually-along with the 40% tax.
not to be ignorant, but what is a trap???
Way off topic,PO from TRU stripped today,was on the news he was stopped in Kentucky,they found a trap in his car,DEA is involved,sucks to be him and thanks for another black for the dept.
3/21/2008 10:05:00 PM
I think (and hoping) you forgot to put "eye" in the last sentence.
3/21/2008 11:15:00 AM
YOU COULDN'T BE MORE RIGHT,WHAT A GREAT SYNOPSIS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SEE THE MOVIE- AMERICA,FREEDOM TO FASCISM
READ THE BOOKS-MORE GUNS,LESS CRIME AND LOST RIGHTS
THESE WILL SHOCK YOU OUT OF COMPLACENCY
Anonymous said...
Way off topic,PO from TRU stripped today,was on the news he was stopped in Kentucky,they found a trap in his car,DEA is involved,sucks to be him and thanks for another black for the dept.
3/21/2008 10:05:00 PM
Is this another Pete Ramon deal?
Anonymous said...
Saw ernie brown on the order back to lt, two street deputy spots now open.
Dana Alexander and Reyes Moran soon to be ADS
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
(read my comments and retorts to this poster)
I rarely post on this blog. Enough is enough (some is angry)and I have had enough of the Tobias bashing (OK Matt, we get the picture).
I know 1 tact Sgt in 017 who happens to play hockey. I won't mention his name or initials. He is a strange dude though.
(look who's talking shit now)
That Sgt has no connection to Tobias!!!!!!!!!! (OK, OK, Matt)
If knowing somebodys name is a connection then hell, I have alot of connections. I play hockey for the CPD. I don't have a connection with Tobias other than him knowing my name (and playing hockey).
The CPD FOP Stars Hockey Club has 3 teams with over 60 police officers on the teams. I guess Tobias has so much clout that all 60 players are in Units or Merit promotions. That couldn't be further from the truth. Hell there are probably 40 former CPD FOP Stars Hockey Club members on the job. I guess all those guys are in merit/clout spots to. (too)
Whoever wrote the comment about the 017th dist Tact Sgt is a typical crybaby on this job.
(look who's crying now)
No facts all talk. The Sgt in 017 could have done something dumb, it wouldn't suprise me. That fact that he plays hockey is meaningless. (is it now)
3/21/2008 06:19:00 PM
Anonymous said...
All these "school" children being shot...has anyone noticed the common denominator????
3/21/2008 02:26:00 PM
FIREARM, sherlock!
I led my district in curfews for three consecutive years.At least 125 a year. Haven't written another in three years. When they started with the "affadavit" for a curfew, I was done. When the paper work got complicated. I was done.
No shootings in Lake Bluff.What gives???
3/22/2008 12:59:00 AM
It is a device to kill/ capture rodents----build a better one and become a millionaire.
Making curfew 30 minutes earlier is really gonna cut into the crime rate!
Yeah Right!
Our leaders don't have a clue what's going on in our city.
I was also at the hockey game where the CPD STARS played against the cfd. You are 100% correct. I heard all these rumors on how tobias is a great hockey player. This is a big falsehood, this guy is like a old man on skates and no hockey skills whatsoever.
I must give props to that CPD player who whooped the shit out of that fireman on the ice during the game, THAT WAS PRICELESS!
Anonymous said...
not to be ignorant, but what is a trap???
3/22/2008 12:59:00 AM
A hidden compartment in your car to secure something. Against the law if used for illegal activity.
"Anonymous said...
All these "school" children being shot...has anyone noticed the common denominator????
3/21/2008 02:26:00 PM
FIREARM, sherlock!
3/22/2008 08:53:00 AM"
And what else?
The shooter never hits the intended target???
"Saw Ernie Brown on the order back to Lt., two street deputy spots now open. Dana Alexander and Reyes Moran soon to be ADS's."
What's up with Brown's apparent demotion? Anybody have the inside scoop on that? It seems to be pretty hush-hush, at least for now.
I'm hearing that J-Fed wants to phase out the ADS position completely, feels it's a waste of time & money when the Deputy Chiefs can be sent out to do essentially the same thing.
Anyone else hear anything about Alexander and Moran moving up?
I work at Headquarters and haven't heard that discussed at all.
Parenting not curfew.
3/21/2008 11:15:00 AM
YOU COULDN'T BE MORE RIGHT,WHAT A GREAT SYNOPSIS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SEE THE MOVIE- AMERICA,FREEDOM TO FASCISM
READ THE BOOKS-MORE GUNS,LESS CRIME AND LOST RIGHTS
THESE WILL SHOCK YOU OUT OF COMPLACENCY
3/22/2008 06:59:00 AM
I love it. He writes the post. Then compliments himself. Hint, the caps locks gave you away stoopid.
3/22/2008 07:18:00 PM
They all gangstahs.
From the perspective of a parent living next door to juvenile delinquents, I would welcome the extra work by police to enforce the curfew . . . did you ever think that by NOT doing your job, you are possibly screwing the family of a fellow officer? These jerks next door aren't out shooting up the neighborhood (yet) but they are a nuisance and driving me nuts and keeping my children up at night with their nonsense behavior. I know the department is understaffed, underpaid, and overworked, and under-appreciated . . . I feel for you all, I really do, your job sucks and I sure as hell couldn't ever do it. But each of you lives in this shithole of a city, and many of you have families . . . what effect does it have on them when the police decide not to enforce a law because it is too much of a pain? My significant other is on the job and because of that, I cannot complain about rude neighbors or call on the police to help settle neighborhood feuds. My significant other is too busy working to help out with these issues. I rely on my beat coppers to help me out, but it's not happening. What's a copper's family to do? Please think of who you MIGHT be helping when you do decide to enforce the "little" and "meaningless" and "pain-in-the-ass" rules we all SHOULD be living by without the help of the police. Like everything else that helps make the world a better place, parenting is not on the "cool" list of things to do. And that's a shame . . . that common decency and sense just seem to escape today's parents. Please don't let it be something that also escapes today's police. I am so thankful for all that each and everyone of you do . . . putting your life out there everyday for a bunch of people that don't appreciate it. You all are the real heroes. So, with that said, I implore you to not forget about the wives and husbands left at home . . . left to fight the same battle against stupidity, but without any of the resources available to you. Please stand up for us and do what you can to make life in this shithole of a city better. "Hey honey, how many more years until retirement?" hehehe Keep up the good work, guys, and stay safe!
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