Who Has Info?
We heard that tavern business is down across the state due to the smoking ban imposed upon various public venues.
If bar business is down, forgive us, but doesn't that mean that a large portion of sales tax revenues are also down? And excise taxes on liquor and spirits?
Anyone know where we can find totals, comparisons or statistics? And where oh where is the City, State and County going to make up these shortfalls?
If bar business is down, forgive us, but doesn't that mean that a large portion of sales tax revenues are also down? And excise taxes on liquor and spirits?
Anyone know where we can find totals, comparisons or statistics? And where oh where is the City, State and County going to make up these shortfalls?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
65 Comments:
i wouldn't be surprised if this has more to do with the crappy weather as opposed to the smoking ban.
Put those 2 footguys from 10 years ago back at Addison/Clark. The by-
stander element that gathers to watch the show will drink enough
to save the city.(hiccup)Since those 2 left(and sobered up);that area is suffering from a bad case of the "dullards"...........
Indiana is alive and well. When I retire in 02/09, I'll open a bar on Calumet ave. in Hammond.
I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
Off subject investment advice
Please buy stock in Walgreen's after the recent promotions several of Ginger Rugayss people are now on antidepressants.
First Ms. Rugaui stated that the new commander would be most likely capt webster(patronage ward worker), or capt spratte (real police) or capt maggs (real police).
Capt carrol was also floated but ginger wanted a female, hopefully these fine men wont have their names ruined because of any association to the Hitler woman of the 19th ward.
Thank you J/fed you made a great choice a non political guy.
Now the bets are on. there are three female merit Sgts. active in the campaign for the rugaui beast, who are now distraught that they will not make lt. because there clout cant produce... More details to follow, all assigned to cush jobs...
Walgreen's, Osco and Cvs have been over run by the 19th warders in shock, that they with the inside political knowledge didn't get their commander and the favorites may be out.
Hope so........
care for a light?
just like many of us suspected...im guessing that shortly the powers that be will be selling permits to smoke in taverns that can be purchased for what i guess will be a nice chunk of change
How about that the police can't drink anymore. People are boozing at home, cheaper, can smoke, and not drive.
The Keesing Bandit says---
"...coppers will drink free of course..."
You will be broke in a year.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Indiana is alive and well. When I retire in 02/09, I'll open a bar on Calumet ave. in Hammond.
I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
3/19/2008 12:22:00 AM
As was noted here before by a previous poster...."Tony's Not Inn"
THE WATERING HOLES I CONGREGATE AT ARE NOT RE-NEWING THEIR CIGARETTE PERMITS.
WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR I JUST DONT SEE BARS SELLING CIGS LEGIT ALLY.
I actually started going to bars again after the smoking ban. I can't believe the difference. I can breathe and I don't stink of cigarette smoke when I get home. The bars I have been in were packed and it was not a Friday or Saturday. I'm sure some bars are hurting especailly the hole in the wall places. Daley wants those places to close anyway. I don't think he cares what tax revenue they bring in.
Whatever revenue was lost, it will be back in some other form of spending. The smoking ban is statewide, not city or county. Unless you live by the border of Indiana, Wisconsin, etc, etc, your not going to drive to smoke. The way DUI enforcemnt has become, I don't leave the city limits to drink.
I say BS! My local watering holes are alive and well. The crowds seem to be the same, if not larger, then before the ban.
I'd will take at least a year to see the effect of the ban.
KMA 09 said...
Indiana is alive and well. When I retire in 02/09, I'll open a bar on Calumet ave. in Hammond.
I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
3/19/2008 12:22:00 AM
If you let coppers drink for free you will be out of business in 3 months.
SCREW THE 19TH WARD, I LIVE IN 41ST WARD EDISON PARK.
I heard that the state & city are losing $17,000,000.00 a month because of the smoking ban.
I'm not a smoker......but geez!!!
It's a freekin' bar!!!
I predict that a new "smoking permit" will be avail before long.
I'll be @ Ditka's smoking the biggest cigar I can, just because.
The day of the speakeasy will return.
I doubt if that's true. Although I don't go to bars that much anymore, the ones I have been to since the smoking ban started, were packed.
I've asked one of my friends who is a manager at a neighborhood spot about it. He told me that business has actually picked up.
Most of my non police friends say they go out a bit more because of the ban.
My guess is that the very small, out of the way places not in Chicago are the ones hit by the ban.
Long story short, it's nice to go out for a drink and not come home and have to leave your clothes on the porch to air out.
Even Better News come April 1st, Millers Distributer, is going up on all their products. Which include Heineken, Corona, Miller Products, and for our West Side Boys, the Olde English's and Steel Reserve 211's etc.
Budgets get tighter, and yet everything is going higher. I am def. contemplating, selling everything and moving to a small town and start there with my nice starter money. Sell my business and house. Have a nice portion saved up, and then all I need to do is get me a Satellite dish and wham all the sports I want. and Good Bye Chicago and your idiotic thinking in handling the Sham-cago budget.
Signed,
Fed Up With this Nonsense.
Go to in. when you need gas,smokes,beer!
Take a look at all the other states that imposed smoking bans. Many experienced an initial drop in business as the smoking clientele slowed, but then business recovered as the non-smokers found their way to places they never used to frequent because of the smoking.
Maybe it's time to open a speakeasy. Like during prohibition, with hidden exit doors. Smoke all you want. Password to get in like "Po Po".
Call it "Midget Ricks" ?
That coppers bar in Indiana will be called "SCC", what else.
Or;
Badge of Honor, The 7 Ups, Casino Royale, Star Wars, No Clout U, The Empty Holster (no wait we can carry retired), Guns of Navarone, Old Farts Palace, Bullitt?
Pick One Please!
I know of a few bars that are letting their patrons smoke. They have to kick a buck into the kitty and if they get a ticket it's paid for by the kitty. They are doing this because according to the owners business IS down.
Actually smoking in bars went underground.In the 20's we had speakeasies,now we have smokeasies,if you know where to go you can still sit at a bar and smoke,but the locations are all by word of mouth. No big thing,though my favorite saloon here in Chicago is crying the blues,because his business is down over 20%.The diehard gamblers I work with all go to the Indiana boats now.
I've heard that Minnesota is rescinding their no smoking laws to allow bars and pvt clubs (Vfw,Legion,etc)to smoke,guess the PC bullshit walks,and money talks!
Lower tax revenue will mean a reduction in social programs, right? Anyone?
A toilet paper tax would be fair to all.
Ashtray sales are also down. LOL LOL LOL ROFLMAO!
There are more butts laying on the ground outside my favorite tavern than Ronnie Luberman has ever seen!
This sounds like a Illinois Restaurant Association scare tactic to repeal the non-smoking state law. Won't happen. The entire states of California, New York, and dozen others have been for years. Lets not blame have clean air for once that is smoke free on the poor economy. If people want to drink, tell war stories, or dance their butt off.....not being allowed to smoke their cancer sticks won't keep them from going out. Next thing you know, these critics will allege that people will start swimming across the ocean to smoke and spend their money in European establishments. Well, you can skip Ireland because they be smoke-free too. Ha ha.
My guy is talking about throwing in the towel, Smokers running in and out to light up don't think its worth it es[ecially with this funny weather we are having........plus the customers that he has left are going to be hit with an increase to their favorite drink, because of the new sale taxes......."Viva Indiana"
cheaper gads....smoke or don't smoke, cheaper groceries,
Indiana is alive and well. When I retire in 02/09, I'll open a bar on Calumet ave. in Hammond.
I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
3/19/2008 12:22:00 AM
Call it out of business if you let coppers drink free. In two weeks about 400 TRU hairgels will show up in "rock the doc" t shirts and you'll be bankrupt.
Stay at home with friends and family.With what you piss away at bars you can build a real nice rec room.Your own bar,cheaper booze,52" tv,cable,home theater,and you can smoke if you so choose.
To: 12:43AM
Hands down, Rugia wanted Ruth Wedster. Mags clout is Tom Hynes. Hynes calls aren't returned anymore becasue of Mags medical abusse. Spratte and Carroll didn't want it. Spratte is getting ready to retire after the death of his wife an he has a very sucessful security agency career for 25 years and Carroll has a very successful real estate appriaser career for over the past 25 years. I know,I worked with Spratte and Caroll back in the'80's. That's why they dont work days... It would cost them too much $$$$$.
Congrats to Cmdr. Kupczyk and Cmdr. Graeber - both great guys and will be great bosses. Don't know Cmdr. Kummerth - but he seems capable and knowledgable.
Dont know Ruth Wedster, but wasn't it her sister - a police woman - who died in a terrible car crash after hitting a viaduct around 83rd & Western???? It was a off duty crash. Over 20 years ago? If so, I extend my belatted regrets to her.
Please buy stock in Walgreen's after the recent promotions several of Ginger Rugayss people are now on antidepressants.
________________________________
Bought a bunch while I was in the academy in late 90's about 2000 shares. On the advice of my Dr.
AHHHHH obtainment of Critical Mass
I know of a few bars that are letting their patrons smoke. They have to kick a buck into the kitty and if they get a ticket it's paid for by the kitty. They are doing this because according to the owners business IS down.
that is ridiculous...the fine is $500 the 1st time...goes up from there and multiple offenses could result in license revocation.
spring is coming, the weather will improve and the smokers will be comfortable outside!
SCREW THE 19TH WARD, I LIVE IN 41ST WARD EDISON PARK.
and that also has section 8, and all of northwest highway is going to shit.
5 years it will be like 13 shit will come in and we will allow it
why you may ask
because it has already started and we aren't doing anything to stop it
TRU
The Real Unit
Don't hate appreciate, and williams is the man.........
just cause you push a rapid car, you still are the police but the only difference is you work 8 hours hahaahahahahaha and have to work holidays
well smokers stink
Anonymous said...
The Keesing Bandit says---
"...coppers will drink free of course..."
You will be broke in a year.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
3/19/2008 07:19:00 AM
I didn't say I was in it for the profits.
I'll be retired ( I have $$)
I'm just looking to have fun and get laid.
Now this fool will keeeze you!
Anonymous said...
Indiana is alive and well. When I retire in 02/09, I'll open a bar on Calumet ave. in Hammond.
I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
3/19/2008 12:22:00 AM
Call it out of business if you let coppers drink free. In two weeks about 400 TRU hairgels will show up in "rock the doc" t shirts and you'll be bankrupt.
3/19/2008 06:45:00 PM
I'll have Hammond declare calumet Avenue "NO HAIR GEL" zone.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
35th street i observed two high ranking officers talking about "DECEPTION" in their conversation regarding the way a certain demoted commander J.g.C. hit the medical the same day he was sent to 021. almost sounds like a DAWG.
3/19/2008 12:33:00 PM
Look at his boy roy "Roy Roy" Buffo he put at the airport, just like carroll a dawg ass who does nothing but undermine the bosses over him!
3/19/2008 10:52:00 PM
If anybody else hit the medical. The fucking fat Jimmy would get one of his no balls LT to get a CR number. Jimmy does not have the balls to discipline anyone.
Rot u bitch!
Im all for the no smoking where i eat routine. All i want is a tavern where i can go to get the fuck out of the house to have a beer and smoke before i kill her!
Heads about to roll at airports for overtime abuse and double dipping.
Caroll and Kiss's last days at the airport were shreading records and deleting computer files.
Anonymous said...
Maybe it's time to open a speakeasy. Like during prohibition, with hidden exit doors. Smoke all you want. Password to get in like "Po Po".
3/19/2008 12:29:00 PM
The tunnels ares still there,mostly.Just need some spring cleaning and de-humidifier.
Indiana is alive and well. When I retire in 02/09, I'll open a bar on Calumet ave. in Hammond.
I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
3/19/2008 12:22:00 AM
Yeah and you'll be belly under in a month
Smoking ban may have been a little to late for one So.side bar owner died last week of some type of lung/respiratory problem, been around second hand smoke as a young guy helping his brother run the bar then became owner, may be just speculation but second hand smoke all those years ????
Smoking is ridiculous. I'm glad for the ban. Whoever thought that intentionally putting smoke in your lungs was a good thing?
"I'll call it....(suggestions please) and thank you. Coppers will drink free, of course.
3/19/2008 12:22:00 AM"
KMA TAVERN
Just think of the money lost at the gaming boats. People going outside and then figuring "Hey I've lost enough for one day" and then leaving.
Anonymous said...
Heads about to roll at airports for overtime abuse and double dipping.
3/20/2008 07:33:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Caroll and Kiss's last days at the airport were shreading records and deleting computer files.
3/20/2008 07:40:00 AM
Oh yeah, baby! The fun has just begun.
kennedy is fine tuning his voice.....he will be singing very soon as a grand jury near you.
How about "Mikes" over on Webster? Is that place still around? Talk about a speakeasy...it was a great copper bar.
If you look at the fiscal note on Bill status of SB 0500 on ilga.gov they predicted revunue would go down.(24 million to 60 million on cigarette tax) and (3.5-8.5 million retailers)before ban was passed. Sorry I don't know if business is up or down. Doesn't matter really. The numbers are hard to quantify state-to-state too-Illinois gets less-much, much less,back federally then we output. This is not true of other states. So even if the shortfalls are less than predictated it will still mean a tax hike in other areas-especially because Illinois is operating in the red. Even if business goes the opposite of what was predicated the taxes are not split in the same way-taxes somewhere need to be increased.
".....taxes somewhere need to be increased.
3/21/2008 11:22:00 PM"
No, they don't.
What needs to be done is to reduce wasteful and criminal misuse of our tax dollars.
What needs to be done is to remove the crooked thieves from the positions of authority that they use to fill their pockets with our hard earned dollars.
What needs to be done is for the approximately 50% of our fellow citizens who haven't bothered to register to vote to get their asses registered and to vote in every election.
What needs to be done is for the approximately 50% of our fellow citizens who are registered to vote, but who don't bother to vote, to get off their asses and vote in every election.
When the approximately 75% of those citizens who have, so far, not registered to vote or, being registered to vote, don't bother to vote, actually participate in the democratic process, then we'll see how long the tax crazy thieves will remain empowered to pick our pockets.
There are more than enough potential voters to rid ourselves of the meager minority that are abusing the trust and the authority granted them by the majority's failure to participate.
If you don't even attempt to stop the picking of your pockets, who do you have to blame for those pockets being picked?
REGISTER TO VOTE
VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
I agree with you about voting issues. But I disagree with your analysis that taxes won't have to be raised. Yes, if honest people were in office some problems would be eliminated. But the state, county and city's finances have been mismanaged for so long we are at a record deficit. Even if obvious corruption would be immediately eliminated taxes need to be raised. Of course, other pieces to the puzzle, like corporate taxes, need to be fixed also. But make no mistake-when the smoking ban was enacted our elected officials knew there would need to be an alternate revenue stream. I'm not trying to judge whether ban is good or not-some folks, I guess, will pay any amount to ensure clean air. But it will cost more. Just google around-look at state/federal tax structure, Illinois budget deficit etc.
3/22/2008 09:48:00 PM
What we're really talking about here is the deliberate lack of accurate and reliable information on the actual costs of the services provided by city, county and state governments, and an honest assessment on which services are necessary, the practical costs of same, and which 'services' are primarily motivated by political considerations, not practical and essential ones.
The range of misuses of our tax dollars is not limited to those dollars being literally stolen from the taxpayers, via bona fide fraudulent activities, but includes many expenditures of tax revenues whose primary purposes have their roots in political favoritism, over priced contracting deals and grossly over priced consulting/brokering arrangements, let alone the huge padding of the public payrolls with 'do little to nothing of value for the public' over paid employees.
Before trying to make a case for raising taxes, you should be honest enough to not neglect to be thorough in your admission of where and what our tax dollars are being wasted on.
The clearly criminal thefts of our tax dollars, mostly left undiscovered and, when discovered, under prosecuted, are the tip of a very extensive iceberg of waste and non-essential uses.
The 'belt-tightening' we are told WE must endure has yet to begin to be done by those consistently ready to pick further into our pockets.
Until EVERY public employee being paid, say, $50,000 per year or more takes a 30% cut in their paychecks, and every contractor seeking business from the city, county or state accepts an absolute and binding commitment to being paid no more than the winning bid price on every contract, regardless of the effect cost overruns may have on that contractor's bottom line, keep your pocket pickling hands from digging deeper into my pockets.
I work for every penny I earn and I know the same can rarely be said for most politically employed individuals.
Easy there, big fella. I'm not ADVOCATING a tax hike. Rather, Todd Stroger's election clarified for me that the Democratic Machine won't be stopped-even to it's ultimate detriment. I think I'm being very honest-I do not think Democrats are going to see the error of their ways and reform government-why should they? They will still get elected because of patronage and corruption. It's not MY hands in your pocket. Now, be honest, which do you think is going to happen-more taxes or much needed cuts and honest government? Don't blame me-I vote Republican. I am merely pointing out that the overtaxing of cigarettes and the smoking ban is going to cost the state money. What is going to happen-tell me-wipe the stars out of your eyes-more taxes or less corruption? Stroger is in office to 2010-does that bode well for your idyllic stance that government will see the errors of their ways? Tell me-do you really think that? Or are you pinning your hopes to the next Democrat you vote into office, that he (or she) will somehow, someway be different?
"Or are you pinning your hopes to the next Democrat you vote into office, that he (or she) will somehow, someway be different?
3/23/2008 11:05:00 PM"
Uh, by definition, anyone, be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, etc, who isn't the Incumbent Office Holder will be a different person.
It's the reelecting of the same people that enables the cohesive unity of corruption.
Break up the incestuous reelecting of Incumbents and you disrupt the cohesion.
Disrupt the cohesion and you begin to break the connections that enable the successes of the corrupted.
Are you really as apathetic as you seem, said apathy which you prefer to think of as being 'honest' and/or 'realistic', or are you one of the cohesive, incestuous corrupted?
As long as there are no drunken cops beatin' on civilians and female bartenders, I'll still go to bars.
03:19:00 07:21:00 Sounds like you really don't know anyone or much of anything. Ruth Wedster was just a kid when that happened to her sister but that was real nice of you to so graphically recall all of it for her and her siblings asshat.
Are you really as apathetic as you seem, said apathy which you prefer to think of as being 'honest' and/or 'realistic', or are you one of the cohesive, incestuous corrupted?
Yes and Yes, comrade Yoda.
I wish you'd have given me and your sweet sistah the 'heads up' before you opened your trap and let SCC know about our 'close' cohesive, incestuous, and corrupted relationship, now your 'mom' won't have us over for tea and krumpets anymore.
How different are John and Todd Stroger?
Uh, by definition, anyone, be they Democrat, Republican, Independent, Libertarian, etc, who isn't the Incumbent Office Holder will be a different person.
Uh, wrongo, smart ass. Little Todd aint no different a person than his thieving papa John Jr. was, and THEY are different people.
"Uh, wrongo, smart ass. Little Todd aint no different a person than his thieving papa John Jr. was, and THEY are different people.
3/28/2008 01:10:00 PM"
Congratulations.
You almost understood my comments.
Here are a few more hints:
1. Dishonesty is an all too common trait of the professional politician, regardless of whether said professional politician is a Democrat or a Republican. Since the definition of 'professional' is a person who engages in a specific activity for the primary purpose of profiting from same, and, since the definition of 'public service' is to selflessly serve the public interest, the inherent contradiction here is obvious.
2. To be successful at most every endeavor, especially those that require the cooperation and participation of others, one must strive to achieve consistency of effort, unity of purpose and the determination and persistence to see any given task to it's desired end goal. Professional politicians understand the value of 'networking' and establish reliable connections between themselves and those of like mind.
3. As in any conflict, disrupting the continuity of an opponent's efforts is generally very helpful in interfering with said opponents achieving their goals.
4. Reducing the number of opponents able to actively participate in opposing ones own goals and efforts is also generally very helpful.
5. Recognizing and identifying who your specific opponents are can be difficult, but is necessary to have a chance of deterring the activities of same.
6. Some of the strategies that have proven to be effective for your opponents can also be effective for you.
7. You can never know what results you might achieve if you don't try to achieve said results.
And, just in case you missed it, HONESTY and authentic, sincere dedication to the Golden Rule is essential to achieving anything of benefit to the citizens as a whole.
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