Good News or Not?
Rumor has it that Skahill and IAD are going to take the investigation of Complaint Register numbers out of the hands of District supervisors.
On one hand, this sounds like a good idea. It removes someone who is way to close to the investigations from having their personal relationships and feelings get in the way (team supervisors investigating their picks, field sergeants investigating the people they work with daily).
On the other hand, it's going to mean a larger IAD presence. We heard they were interviewing a number of detectives to work at IAD. As they are trained to investigate, this might be a good thing, but it will mean a lot more thorough investigations, which could mean something completely different for anyone caught playing outside the lines.
On one hand, this sounds like a good idea. It removes someone who is way to close to the investigations from having their personal relationships and feelings get in the way (team supervisors investigating their picks, field sergeants investigating the people they work with daily).
On the other hand, it's going to mean a larger IAD presence. We heard they were interviewing a number of detectives to work at IAD. As they are trained to investigate, this might be a good thing, but it will mean a lot more thorough investigations, which could mean something completely different for anyone caught playing outside the lines.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
70 Comments:
Your other hand sounds like as good an idea as your one hand.
Good all around. A little less favoritism, and better investigations finding people who are fucking up.
WHY WOULD A DICK TAKE THAT JOB?
I CAN SEE INVESTIGATION HANDLED BY DICK BUT YOU DONT RECEIVE A PAY BUMP ONLY THOSE SPECIAL PATROL OFFICERS GET THAT.
I CAN SEE BEING PESTERED BY THE WHITE SHIRT TRYING TO GET INFO ON HI PROFILE CASES.
I COULD SEE PRESSURE FOR CERTAIN OUTCOME ON HI PROFILE CASES.
THE ONLY REASON A DICK WOULD TAKE THE JOB IS THE PROMISE OF THAT WONDERFUL PROMOTION TO SGT.
Will "The 48 Hour Rule" apply to us too??
not a rumor it's true a fax message came out Tuesday night
im saying bad...these rats will be out to sustain every CR and who is going to watch these rat fucks from putting words into the complainints mouth just to fuck over the working police on some bullshit beef
Ya figured this was gonna happen. And what kinda jag off dic would go to iad? Remember people, if it's on paper, it happened. Stick to your reports and demand proof of anything otherwise.
Because I am not a Police Officer I am somewhat handicapped in reading some comments that are posted on SCC. Would someone please explain the title 'Police Agent' to me?
Dont give the Dics to much credit. A Majority of them are Clout babies who never were the police.
Not worried have you seen our homicide clearance rate?
CPD det's couldnt solve a crime if it happened in front of them.....
But the shure can find a good restraunt downtown or 25 miles away.
Don't even thinksome detective will get that position. This is just another attempt to civilianize the police department. District managers are already side stepping district commanders and now some political hacks kid or lover who has a college degree and can't get a job is going to be named an investigator at 80,000 a year with better benefits than you telling you that you weren't empathetic enough when you told the jag bag to go screw him/herself.
THE ANSWER PLEASE. DOING NOTHING JUST GOT A WHOLE LOT EASIER, WHEN YOU CHOOSE "ORBITZ" YEAHHH BABY
If jp is telling us we need to be in shape and eat healthy, then he needs to look at his command staff to set an example. Lets start with tina "TINY" skahill one of our fearless deputy's. I want to be there when she gets ready for the bench press and needs a bigger bench. And then comes the sit ups, ok so lets skip those and go the the next test. The 1 1/2 mile run is next and should be a great laugh. Wait just a minute the national geological service is alerting us to a 6.0 earthquake centered around 35th and michigan.. the only test hse will be able is the sit and reach test. why you ask? We placed super sized big mac in front of her.. Remember she is not our friend and neither is kirby. Do only what youhave to and nothing else. Let the homicide and agg batts go thru the roof this year. How will jp splain that to da mayer!
Expect JFED to hire every retired FBI agent within 100 miles to take these spots. Hell also convince all his friends at the FBI who are active to retire to come to CPD for a second pension.
From what I hear, a ton of SERGEANTS are going to be recruited to work in IAD.
Better for a supervisor to
work up the complaint than
someone who is of equal rank
(usually) to the person who
is receiving it. IAD is
definitely going to be
restocked with more carp!
To 3/20/2008 12:07:00 AM
Yes, that's the amount of time that we will have to report to Alternate Response Unit.
Where was IAD when Caroll and his flunkies were stealing overtime?
TO 05:49 just got done working the late rapid in 016 hugh?
And some of us actually studied for the test and passed it. We also learned, working in districts like 007,010,011 that an agg assault is a misdemeanor. Ya, when your victim claims that they had a gun pointed at them, it is agg assault, which is a misdemeanor. Look it up. And when you come up and you demand to get agg bat to P.O because you are in uniform and were slapped by your arreste...and have no visible injuries..when you ask for burglary charges because you saw a guy ruuning down the alley with the proceeds, but youe were unable to identify him as the same person you saw runnning out of the burglarized building, shal i continue. Pick up ILCS statute book and read it before you take the next Dics test it will help you tremendously. Keep up the good work in 016 and keep talking tough in the neighborhood bars.
Because I am not a Police Officer I am somewhat handicapped in reading some comments that are posted on SCC. Would someone please explain the title 'Police Agent' to me?
3/20/2008 05:21:00 AM
Where did you see the term "Police Agent" used? Get off the internet at IAD and back to working your cases.
Can a Dic order you to say or do something to them. Aren't they still the same rank as a PO?
This is long overdue, but it will bring the disciplinary process to a grinding halt unless the system is dramatically overhauled. Even with a huge increase in manpower, there's no way the IAD can fully investigate all of these silly beefs. This will force the Dept to institute some type of summary investigation process.
By the way, look for huge numbers of people to bail out of IAD. Currently, an individual IAD "investigator" handles about the same number of beefs per month as a sergeant in a busy district.
Why would a dick take the job?
1. NO court- you won't make the same number of arrests that you would in the area. Which means less or no court cases. Which means less overtime and less pay.
2. Less overtime to work cases- Are you really expecting a heater CR for a PO calling a blind arrestee "Stevie Wonder" to produce 24hrs of overtime for three days. Less overtime means less pay.
3. The political minefield- If you sustain a CR on any PO connected to the alderman, state senator or any bosses. Expect to get grief( this is still Chicago)
WHY WOULD A DICK TAKE THIS JOB?
This is going to be the new place to stick jag off Dicks who can't detect their own ass in a room full of mirrors.
HATER said...
WHY WOULD A DICK TAKE THAT JOB?
I CAN SEE INVESTIGATION HANDLED BY DICK BUT YOU DONT RECEIVE A PAY BUMP ONLY THOSE SPECIAL PATROL OFFICERS GET THAT.
I CAN SEE BEING PESTERED BY THE WHITE SHIRT TRYING TO GET INFO ON HI PROFILE CASES.
I COULD SEE PRESSURE FOR CERTAIN OUTCOME ON HI PROFILE CASES.
THE ONLY REASON A DICK WOULD TAKE THE JOB IS THE PROMISE OF THAT WONDERFUL PROMOTION TO SGT.
3/20/2008 12:01:00 AM
I am a Det and there is no way I would go to IAD. As for a promise to make Sgt why would I want a demotion to Sgt?
Dont give the Dics to much credit. A Majority of them are Clout babies who never were the police.
3/20/2008 05:49:00 AM
amen brother.
they only solve less then 30% of homicide's now
Another reason why working doesn't pay in this city.
As a sergeant, you never get any "Real" beefs anyway. IAD and OPS pick the ones that have at least a small chance of being sustained and give the rest to the Sergeants. It also helps for conflicts ( 1 Sergenat on the watch handling a P.O.'s CR when it was initiated on the P.O. by another Sergeant.)As far as Detectives going to IAD, I figure they will just take Sergenats that have detective experience. They took a total of about 15 people directly from the Sergenat's classes over thelast couple promotions. Nothing you can do if you have no phone call either, have to wait until bids come out when they promote again and seniority is based on promotion date, so it will be a couple of years. I would rather have a Detective working my case than some idiot P.O. who was the desk bitch and a hater....At least the Detective (giving the benefit of the doubt here) would be able to do a thorough investigation and be able to interview most of the idiots who beef and not get suckered.
One last thing, IAD does serve a function. There are some REAL FUCKING CRMINALS on this job. They need tobe investigated and prosecuted. A lot of their jobs are bullshit (V.O.O.P. when the accused lives down the block) etc... but so are ours... Not the job I would ever take, but a lot of people like 9-5, M-F, with a take home car, and would sell their mother to get it....
Spoke with skahill directly and she spoke very intelligently about what she planned on doing. She said that she wanted things to go alot faster and that if officers were going to take days that it should happen quickley and not a year later. Also, she stated that a new classification would be implemented in which a sustained C.R. would not require any disciplinary action just noted.She summed up by saying bullshit would be called bullshit and move on.Criminal behavior would be thoroughly investigated.
Watch for Skahill to start a small unit dedicated to integrity checks.
Oh my god! You mean we are actually going to be expected to follow the rules? Does that mean we are expected to follow the law too? Don't they realize this star means I can do anything I want to?! How dare they expect professionalism?! Could this mean the end of john doe warrants...however will I keep my spot on the gun team?
And if a beef is unsustained will we go after the goof who keeps dropping CR's in an effort to save him some face. No one stands up for us unless we do it for ourselves. Stick together and lock up these bangers.
The majority of dicks are clout babies? That would mean 51%. I doubt that. But congrats to you on your crybaby b.s. "THE POLICE" my ass.
it doesn't matter either way. most supervisors will get a CR# on you anyways. they go nowhere. they're bullshit, and they will stay that way.
The only way a fax message got out was if someone removed the box of doughnuts covering tina "tiny/slims" skahills fax machine..
Not So Fast.....
A new E-Mail to the District Commanders states cr's will still be assigned to the districts but some may be assigned to administrative units
A police agent is a Plice Officer assigned to investigate other Police Officers but is not a supervisor.
Here's a hint from the city!
Don't do anything!
I live for just the 1st and 16th and that's it! No Arrests! No Tickets! I have plenty of time of this job and can't get into trouble! Put that in your fucking IAD report!
The teletype came out and said administrative units will handle CR numbers, but didn't specify which ones. Let's see which ones will handle CR's and which ones will not, and the quality of the investigations.
Also, from what I have been told, it will be a beefed up IAD in the near future, with detectives and Sergeants taking on investigations.
I'm all for it, never made sense to have district supervisors investigate those anyway. Hopefully, more of them will be investigated completely and thoroughly and start weeding out some of the idiots before they get out of hand. So many people have been wondering why the bad apples are allowed to go about their business without any monitoring. Well, hopefully that will change now. As the saying goes, be careful what you ask for, this is a prime example. Good luck, you're going to need it and you know who you are.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, one the way out and thrilled it's almost over!
Where do I sign up? I have a ton of investigative and street experience. I know how coppers try to cover up and hide what they do. I would bring the hammer down on those who break the rules. With my knowledge and expertise I alone will make a difference in bringing professionalism back to this department.
Where was IAD when Caroll and his flunkies were stealing overtime?
3/20/2008 08:56:00 AM
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He's gone already ,let it go. Get a life.
Watch for Skahill to start a small unit dedicated to integrity checks.
3/20/2008 02:20:00 PM
I don't doubt it. FBI is big on integrity checks, for yrs. w/ the CPD. Be careful.
Question? If they are going to ship the cr#s to supervisors in administrative units, isn't that saying that they have to many supervisors with nothing to do in these units? It would be better off to leave the cr#s in the district and ship the administrative supervisors back to the districts....
Better off to streamline the process....the Commanders and Deputy chiefs make supervisors jump thru hoops with these obvious bullshit cr's. These people want to file bullshit complaints but don't want to cooperate with the investigation, but you still have to part the red sea before you can unfound a cr# because you can't contact a complainant...Once the certified letter comes back unsigned, unfound it, if IAD doesn't believe it let them do integrity checks and then ship some of the cr's to others....
Police Agent is the rank between p/o and sgt. they are in IAD and assigned to the mayors bodyguard detail. it is set up so they can give p/os, det's., e.t.'s etc.. orders if need be...
That will never happen. 1) The IAD workload would easily double. IAD already takes forever (years) to investigate even the most mundane of CR's. 2) The Department will in no way, shape or form fund extra people in IAD when they don't have enough people on the street. 3) No detective in their right mind would want the job. Remember, you heard it here first.
anonymous said...
Because I am not a Police Officer I am somewhat handicapped in reading some comments that are posted on SCC. Would someone please explain the title 'Police Agent' to me?
3/20/ 2008 05:21:00 AM
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Police Agent is an investigator working for IAD, a police officer who presumably has been training as an investigator but is not a detective. Police Agents only work in IAD, it is one pay grade higher than police officer, D2 pay grade, but a bit lower than detective.
It is supposedly a position gained after some time in IAD and appointed after passing a test.
In most major cities the IAD units are staffed by Detectives. Chicago, has a mixture of
Detectives, Police Agents, and Police Officers all doing the same level of work but getting paid differently. The rank of Police Agent is being phased out via retirement promotions, and people leaving the unit. It is a D2 position created by the City in regards to a lawsuit several years back.
To the jerk who wrote: If jp is telling us we need to be in shape and eat healthy, then he needs to look at his command staff to set an example.
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I have a feeling you're not to popular because you must be a real goof to say such mean spirited things about one of the nicest people on this job. And she's a lot more fit then you may think. Sorry we can't all be muscle magazine cover models like you.
Where did you see the term "Police Agent" used? Get off the internet at IAD and back to working your cases.
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Geez dude, if you're going to get snippy at least know what you're talking about. To the person asking the question about police agent, first sorry we have some real ignorant people here. To answer your question, police agent is a position in IAD which a patrol officer can try for if they are not already detective. It's based on our pay scale and the get paid one step above police officer.
Holy FAX ME UP Batman!!!
Just when you thought they left to go to Florida for Spring break...
A new policy has sprung. Any implications if administrative supervisors investigating CR’s for Patrol? Findings and recommendations remain the same. Lieutenants might get very pissed off wiping up someone else’s asshat. Anything else? Oh, yeah! Overtime for those accused, complainants and witnesses not available during normal work hours. How about access to a Department vehicle? Or do supervisors use their personal vehicle to conduct company business?
How about that report the boss wants at 4 o’clock on Friday? What about a psychological disconnect between street supervisors and their officers by holding them accountable? Isn’t it better to have their supervisors investigate accusations alleged against their subordinates? Or are they much too bias? Can administrative supervisors provide problem officers with the necessary guidance, corrective action, evaluate and monitor them daily? Perhaps your right. Maybe it is better that a complete stranger simple stop by the district and collect a To-From and never to be seen again by the accused? I wonder if they thought this one out. Sounds like some rooky supervisor who doesn’t want to earn their pay submitted an email suggestion to the First.
Ah....More Drunken Madness...on/off intoxication. Sounds like an old rule violation. Lock the doors boys and girls and pour me another round of Gentleman Jack. My favorite stone drunk movie is the Bad Lieutenant?
3/20/2008 02:28:00 AM
I worked in IAD and I didn't fuck over anyone. Most of the people I've known who also worked there didn't fuck any one over either. You sound like a fucking idiot, no, you sound like the reverends when one of their future doctors/lawyers/teachers __________, gets lit up for pointing a gun at the police and they claim it's a set up.
Get a fucking life. Be wary when you go to IAD, but don't be paranoid. IAD investigators have cases that have to be investigated and closed. If you really think that there is some kind of reward program for the most cops fucked over, then you believe in the fairy godmother. All they care about up there is closing cases.
In a large department, there are complaints against the police. Someone has to investigate the complaints. I've been investigated myself many many times. It didn't bother me to go to IAD because I didn't do anything wrong. If you do something wrong though, and catch a beef, then look in the mirror for the solution to the problem.
And you mr/ms 3/20/2008 03:46:00 PM, you are the biggest piece of shit. Thanks a lot for doing not a fucking thing! I hope when you or your family needs the police, they get someone like you.
Here is the deal...as any working policeman knows people who get lock ed up don't want to get locked up therefore attempt to create a shitstorm for the coppers, as if any of this bullshit is personal on our end. They can have Dick Fucking Tracy himself investigate bullshit complaints and they will remain just that. Exactly ZERO of my cr's were truthful and there was exactly ZERO "cover-up" so in investigate away because nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
Anonymous said...
Where was IAD when Caroll and his flunkies were stealing overtime?
3/20/2008 08:56:00 AM
They were sitting back while Carroll, kkiss, Buffo, pitmen, gonzalez, coronado, barret, and daryldumesky dug their hole deeper and deeper.
Of course there's a sgt that will sing like a yellow canary.
There's only two people that were promoted that I believe will do anything for anyone other than themseleves. Kupczyk and, believe it or not, Skahill. Mark my words.
Anonymous said...
Spoke with skahill directly and she spoke very intelligently about what she planned on doing. She said that she wanted things to go alot faster and that if officers were going to take days that it should happen quickley and not a year later. Also, she stated that a new classification would be implemented in which a sustained C.R. would not require any disciplinary action just noted.She summed up by saying bullshit would be called bullshit and move on.Criminal behavior would be thoroughly investigated.
3/20/2008 02:17:00 PM
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. IF NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION IS WARRANTED, WHY SUSTAIN THE CR#??????
Videotape the complainants statement and the accused gets a copy of the tape..That will never happen.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TOO...
WASNT THERE SUPPOSED TO BE OFFICERS INVESTIGATING MEDICAL ABUSE?
I HAVENT HEARD OF ONE PERON BEING WRITTEN UP OR FIRED!
WHAT DO THEY DO ALL DAY?
WHOSE IN CHARGE OF THESE UPSTANDING CITIZENS.
HOW CAN I GET INTO THIS GHOST UNIT
I HAVT HBT SKILLS WITH A PRETTY BLACK UNIFORM IN MY CLOSET.
Also, she stated that a new classification would be implemented in which a sustained C.R. would not require any disciplinary action just noted.She summed up by saying bullshit would be called bullshit and move on.Criminal behavior would be thoroughly investigated.
3/20/2008 02:17:00 PM
News flash: Violation noted has been on the books for over 20 yrs already !!!
You may think this is news but the best news was Caroll getting dumped.
If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!
Good, get rid of these spoiled Police Agents! They think they do the same job as a detective because they do investigations. When is the last time any PA put handcuffs on someone? When was the last time they tesitfied in a court of law and put someone in prison? When have they ever handled a criminal investigation of any type? Why wasn't the "test" for PA made open to everyone city wide? That in itself should disqualify the "rank" from existence!
Keep filing the grievences, you entitled whiners are grieving yourselves right back to the district, and oh how'd I love to see THAT happen!
Update on the CR numbers thing:
Tina said today at a meeting with exempts that only busy districts will have CR numbers farmed out, and only maybe a third of them, at that.
Definition of busy to be determined as of this time.
If they are going to check Medical Roll abusers,how about starting with the recently dumped exempts. I heard Grau and Kolman are on it now and Carrol is going to be on it soon. Must be nice he got dumped to Vice.
Anonymous said...
If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about!
3/21/2008 01:19:00 PM
That is a lie!!!! You mean to tell politics and targeting by IAD plays role at all?
I happen to know that IAD Targets people
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. IF NO DISCIPLINARY ACTION IS WARRANTED, WHY SUSTAIN THE CR#??????
Because some actions, although wrong, can be minor and corrected by training.
Police Agents are patrolmen assigned to IAD.
I'm not personally aware of a single one of them that was a decent patrolman.
Basically afraid to work the streets so they got to IAD
I have a feeling you're not to popular because you must be a real goof to say such mean spirited things about one of the nicest people on this job. And she's a lot more fit then you may think. Sorry we can't all be muscle magazine cover models like you.
3/20/2008 07:30:00 PM
Yeah, that is totally true. Just the other day I saw her jump about 20 feet in the air when she saw a mouse, without dropping one peanut out of her trunk.
Anonymous said...
I have a feeling you're not to popular because you must be a real goof to say such mean spirited things about one of the nicest people on this job. And she's a lot more fit then you may think. Sorry we can't all be muscle magazine cover models like you.
3/20/2008 07:30:00 PM
Yeah, that is totally true. Just the other day I saw her jump about 20 feet in the air when she saw a mouse, without dropping one peanut out of her trunk.
3/22/2008 07:47:00 PM
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This has to be one of the funniest things I have read here. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Is Sgt T.K. the yellow canary?
Matt Brown from IAD was a good cop, taught me more about patrol and traffic laws than the acad. did, I still remember most of it 20 yrs later. There was a chick from 007 tact also went to IAD, can't remember her name, also a good cop.
"...what is a police agent?..."
I give birth to one every morning after drinking my coffee.
Anonymous said...
Is Sgt T.K. the yellow canary?
3/22/2008 10:16:00 PM
Maybe not watch sgt R.B. now there is a canary! hey jimmy can i have some chesse as i am a rat like donnie!
Matt Brown is a good guy. He also helped me many times. He can be a little different at times, but so can we all. Matt is a decent, respectable man, and no, I am not Matt Brown, nor a member of his family, nor an everday acquaintance of Matt. Even though his is in IAD, he would never pimp you, like some of our brethren and sisterlikes, regardless if they are in IAD or somewhere else on the job. True that.
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