Monday, May 19, 2008

ASA's Disregard the Law

From the comments:
  • Last night on 1st watch we made a traffic stop. 2 m/1's. Got a 9mm under the driver seat full clip and one in the chamber. 2 more full clips next to the gun. Driver says he thought FOID card gave him permission to carry gun. Felony review said, no felony charge cause guy had valid FOID. So according to ASA's if you have a valid FOID you can now carry a gun.
If the citizenry knew what passed for lawyering these days, they'd puke. At least we hope they'd puke. Who knows? It's been years since we met a competent lawyer that wasn't working in the criminal defense field. Felony Review is about the most useless cog of the Court process and exists only for incompetent connected lawyers to get jobs.

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102 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the officers try for an override? If not, why not?

5/19/2008 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ASA thought process:

There's too much work to begin with. This guy didn't kill anyone, and we won't look good if we don't get a decent conviction rate, so what the hell. Let him go.

5/19/2008 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's new??

5/19/2008 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for fun what was the RD# on this stop?

If you are going to stir it up, at least man up and say who did it...

5/19/2008 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened with the override?

5/19/2008 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice job guys and glad all went home to their families.

As if we haven't been clobbered over the head enough here is another PRIME example for any of you who still choose to be pro-active.

The ASA isn't gonna approve. The W/C isn't gonna call in for the override.

I'm willing to bet that when this goes to misd. ct. that the MCC charges will be dropped as well. Will these officers have to worry about an unlawful arrest suit now? Whether it flies or not - the inconvience of a lawsuit & the natural stress that goes with it just doesn't make it worth it.

Answer your calls in a timely manner, everyone gets a report, relocate somewhere else to complete the report dotting all your i's and crossing all your t's. No parkers. State charges only on movers. Of course, not forgetting (until they take THAT from us) issuing citiations for minor offenses IS STILL discretionary.

5/19/2008 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Felony review said, no felony charge cause guy had valid FOID. So according to ASA's if you have a valid FOID you can now carry a gun.

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That is what you get when they hire students from the bottom of the barrel out of the schools that are already the bottom of the barrel!

How about this: You cannot be a ASA unless you were a cop. Period.

5/19/2008 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ARE YOU SUPPRISED???

5/19/2008 03:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There in lies the problem: felony review and liberal judges. Where is investigative reporting ? Examine the number of felony rejections and no probable cause findings and one will fully understand this city and its rampant crime.

5/19/2008 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A classic case for an override!

5/19/2008 04:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago when I had delusions of granduer, I went to law school but regained my senses and quit half way through.

One thing I remember is that you can file a writ of mandamus, which says "public official, do your job and follow the law".

Dick Devine should be served with hundreds of those.

Please forgive me if I misspelled any of this legal shit or wasn't completely accurate. A lot of beer has been drank since then.

5/19/2008 05:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Name the ASA and lets bring the arrest to media attention. May be with the gun up roar the asa's employers on the county board will seek the termination of this idiot. Lets see what the anti gun people have to say. Lets see what Father Flakey has to say or jesse shakedown..

5/19/2008 05:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

most felony review asa's dont know the law. and again, why are we making traffic stops?

5/19/2008 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Victim tells makes a case report of vehicular hijacking. Detectives interview victim who tells them how hes sitting at a light in chicago and unknown offende strikes him with a brick and takes his car. Victim runs to alderman stating he's not getting proper treatment becasue he's gay. Off located by detectives, tells them that the victim was trolling and wanted sex from him. Vicitm ADMITS he made up the story, darren and crew reject felony charges even though he has a criminal background.

5/19/2008 06:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why are you doing all this work? Are you getting an extra paycheck the rest of us don't know about?

5/19/2008 06:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for fun what was the RD# on this stop?

If you are going to stir it up, at least man up and say who did it...

5/19/2008 01:40:00 AM

Man up! Oh boy that hurts! Hey Jody, you screw-faced dwarf, eat me!

5/19/2008 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F*ck the override because the ASA's mark the file and then downgrade it at court.

STOP DOING ANYTHING PEOPLE. WTF. DONT YOU GET IT YET. F*CK THIS CITY, COUNTY, STATE. LET IT IMPLODE.

5/19/2008 07:16:00 AM  
Blogger Don Gwinn said...

Maybe they meant the FOID *should* be a carry permit. Could be your Chicago ASA's are just real sticklers for Constitutional principles.

But . . . uh . . . probably not.

The truth is, it's right to say that if someone hasn't done any harm, then it shouldn't be a crime for him to possess a weapon any more than it was a crime to possess his car. But let a bunch of ASA's make that decision, while the law stays on the books, and you just turn the law itself into a weapon. It becomes pointless because it's unenforced, and it becomes dangerous because it can still be enforced selectively against people who "cause problems."

As for a guy with a FOID carrying a gun, I don't have a problem with that. I know, I'm not The Police, but a guy with a FOID card is a State-Certified Card-Carrying Good Guy. He's had his background checked. He's registered with the state police.
Is it at all possible that the ASA was exercising some of that "discretion" mentioned a few posts above this one?

5/19/2008 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did W/C go for an overide? If not why not? It is not a big deal. They just call the street dep.

Pallidin

5/19/2008 07:52:00 AM  
Blogger 85 zebra said...

FYI..overrides are tossed in court by the ASA..trust me it happens all the time..the file is marked that it was an override.

5/19/2008 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guy had a FOID, so he isn't a criminal. Why would you want to charge him as a felon?

5/19/2008 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bad guy wasn't carrying the gun, had it loaded under seat of auto, different section of UUW law violated. Different set of circumstances as far as the law reads. Beware of this danger, ole boy gets the play every time theres any doubt. Stay safe, call for backups, don't drive defective squad cars that aren't 100% properly maintained. Go home safe to your loved ones, thats all that matters....Old School.

5/19/2008 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ASA'S have been given no leeway on this until the DC 2nd amendment case been completed. They are afraid that THEY will get sued when the law gets overturned.

5/19/2008 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell that little girl on the news last night that made a tearful plea to Springfield to enact gun laws to keep her safe at school .... oh By golly ... we ALREADY have gun laws ?

5/19/2008 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was it Dick Mel?

5/19/2008 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he has a FOID, I doubt he's causing problems...why push for a felony? A misdemeanor will teach him the law (a bad law, but still a law).

We asked ISP for numbers on how many FOID owners commit gun crimes...guess what, they don't keep that information. The purpose of FOID was to reduce crime...how can you judge its effectiveness if you don't track that data?

They don't track it because it will only prove that FOID is useless.

5/19/2008 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much for Daley's gun contrl. If the courts (ASA, felony review rookies) aren't in this together, the killings will continue. Kudos to the street cops, glad you went home to your families safely.

5/19/2008 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you should have them citizens go to any "PC" court esp mist court and find out how much is "SOL" or "NO PC" some of the time the joes don't even show up and get no warrants, and the other times they stand up and the judge "your free to go sir".

5/19/2008 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Felony review disapproves just about anything that can't be tried over the phone. None of them want anything to go to trial, plea 'em out an that's it. That is why there are so many bad guys out there that continually to through the revolving door at 26th/Cal. It's a paper-pushing haven that starts with the incompetency from the top. Same crime happens in DuPage or Lake Co., different set of rules, and the bad guy most likely with have a higher bond, no bond and will most likely see a longer DOC sentence.

5/19/2008 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the officers try for an override? If not, why not?



i agree with that, but why bother? is it really worth your trouble? its just more aggravation to your nite.

5/19/2008 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And this surprises you why????? Its a system wide epidemic.

5/19/2008 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Name the ASA and lets bring the arrest to media attention. May be with the gun up roar the asa's employers on the county board will seek the termination of this idiot. Lets see what the anti gun people have to say. Lets see what Father Flakey has to say or jesse shakedown..

5/19/2008 05:48:00 AM

We need SCC to post the name of ASA, we all know the media reads the blog, what could be the legal ramification with posting his/her name?, our names are open record to the media even without due process in criminal matters.....side note tell these jack-asses as little as possible when calling Felony Review, it will only bite you in the rear by saying to much in trying to obtain charges

5/19/2008 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow!!The ASA actually got something correct!!They allowed the Second Amendment to work.

5/19/2008 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

under the drivers seat,,,valid D/L, INS who knows the full facts,,plain view ,,,PC etc etc

5/19/2008 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Override? Whats the point, it just gets downgraded again in court.

5/19/2008 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last week a couple of guys in a citywide unit while enroute in a covert vehicle to do surveillance respond to a call of shots fired in 006. They happen to be close by and respond to the area and observe a male subject hand a handgun to another subject in the vehicle. Vehicle takes off, the officers in the covert vehicle follow. Lucky for them two 006th District cars are stopped around the corner also checking out the shots fired. They inform the coppers and they stop the car. These officers in the covert vehicle go through the car and recover a revolver out of the vehicle. Driver admits he was just shot at and was looking for retaliation. While in the office these officers find out that hes running some type of credit card fraud for thousands of dollars along with several stolen credit cards, several thousand in cash and cashiers checks. Well these officers call the A.S.A. and low and behold they dont want anypart of it. Not until the financial part of this is investigated by the detectives. Then they can go after him for U.U.W. After several rounds with the A.S.A. they still didnt want to hear it. No financial crimes detectives available, they wanted these officers to cut this guy loose back out on the street. This A.S.A. was a complete moron. These offciers were also informed by the Watch Commander that he couldnt get an override if the A.S.A. didnt hear it. Watch kind of B.S. was that by Felony Review to say release him without charges and to tell these officers they wouldnt hear it till after the detectives investigated the financial crimes part of it. Thats why society is fucked up because of A.S.A.'s like this. All they wanted was to get this shooter off the street. This A.S.A. was working first watch so go figure. Anyone else experience this type of behavior from felony review?

5/19/2008 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to repeat, but what about the override? Hopefully this incident was brought to the attention of your W/C, and if he chose not to pursue it, he is a worthless P.O.S.
BE SAFE!

5/19/2008 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, even if the officers get the override the case still has to be handled by an ASA that another ASA supervisor rejected. They want a video tape confession, three witness(nun, grand ma, and the average honor student out at 3:30 AM on the corner) and all that for a No probable cause.

5/19/2008 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There must be some recent unwritten rule that felony review approve less cases and lighten the load in felony rooms because we have been getting a lot of stuff denied in district 2 that used to be slam dunks

seems like last few months specifically

5/19/2008 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the officers try for an override? If not, why not?

5/19/2008 12:04:00 AM

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An override is the call of the Watch Commander. The officer doesn't call the ADS, the WC does. Many WC's will ask officers if they want to push for an override, but ultimately it is the WC's call and the WC's RESPONSIBILITY.

If this story is accurate, the blame falls on the WC.

Police, like the officers in this story, go out and arrest bad guys. All decisions regarding charges are the responsibility of the WC.

But only in the CPD does a captain of police, who is in charge of EVERYTHING that happens in that district on that watch, never take responsibility for anything other than watching television and completing crossword puzzles.

Then, all responsibility, all blame falls on police officers. Even other officers blame them.

Sad.

5/19/2008 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There has to be more to the story than this. If you're story is in fact true this was an easy approval. Post the RD so we can look at how it was written on paper.

5/19/2008 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hold on just a minute, this is a bit disturbing to me..SCC I thought you were, like me, a second amendment guy. The poster mentioned these were M1's...So what.. What is relevent; did they have a back ground?? and I don't mean weed when they were 18. Seriously, (and I'm white and truly a republican for the record) if the gun was in the car, if the guy was not a real criminal, if he had the gun for personal protection and I don't mean from the police, then I'm glad there was no felony. You either believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't. None of you have ever caught an old white guy or a white working man with a gun in his car and sent him on his way?? Give more detail here SCC or your post comes across as quite biased based on race. And no I don't feel you are biased SCC, in fact I think you're pretty fair but don't jump so quick without the details....And if you have them, share them...

5/19/2008 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ASAs are a real joke. Guys that made B honor roll in HS and thought that made them smart so they went to college and law school and became ASAs because mommy and daddy knew someone in CRook County and got them a job out of college. Be real, thats really all it is. Its college kids that NEVER saw a day in the REAL world making these decisions. Now i too went to school, but I also worked REAL jobs before, during and after before becoming the police, and grew up on the south side so my sense of reality isnt as warped as those serving as ASAs that grew up in naperville, orland, palatine, michigan, iowa etc.............

5/19/2008 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Somebody can now tell Sammy at the pizza place he's right. The FOID card really does allow the carrying of a firearm

5/19/2008 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Name the ASA and lets bring the arrest to media attention. May be with the gun up roar the asa's employers on the county board will seek the termination of this idiot. Lets see what the anti gun people have to say. Lets see what Father Flakey has to say or jesse shakedown..

5/19/2008 05:48:00 AM

Let's see, the police can't have heavy weapons and when they catch a criminal with one, no charges.

Have I gotten that correct or am I mistaken?

5/19/2008 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Felony review are lawyers that have no clue about the law. They are all political and affirmative action appointees. They are the most useless division of Cook County.

5/19/2008 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he had an foid card and wasnt a felon so what...read the story above are we pro second amendment or not???some times cops are hard to understand...the story never said gang bangers just m/1's...im no liberal (i HATE race hustlers obama , j jackson, sharpton etc)but last i checked the constitution is to protect everyone...

5/19/2008 01:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey guys, lay off the Always Stupid Attorney. He figured that with crook county's jury pool all he would hear at trial is, ah huh, you got day right.

5/19/2008 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fyi, asking for the overrride is great in theory . only when it is brought before judge, the asa s laugh it off and make no effort to prosecute. Have seen them do it often. literally toss file on the floor of courtroom and laugh , as though an ads or police lt , capt , officer know shit about the law. go tho the press and name asa

5/19/2008 02:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could this be the same twirp asa's who felt such a strong moral concious when it came to bringing down a certain 025th district officer for not following procedure in 501 arrests????

5/19/2008 02:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for over rides, I was told the ASA's in court drop the cases because they do not want Felony Review looking bad, per Devine. Can anyone say they have ever had a case that was an over ride go to trial? Just wondering.

5/19/2008 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is an unwritten rule in the ASA's office that concerns overrides. If an override is sought, and approved by a street deputy, the ASA's office will drop the charges within a 24 to 48 hour period after the street deputy approves the charges.

If you're real lucky, the ASA's office will lower the charge to a misdemeanor. But it's not guaranteed. Many times, the charges are dropped altogether.

The ASA's office sees it as a slap in their law educated faces that a charge is approved by a someone that is not an attorney.

Do some due diligence and look up the amount of overrides that have been dropped shortly after they were approved by a street deputy.

You have to remember, you are trying the case right there, in front of the ASA who responds. They are not weighing evidence for probable cause like they should be for approval of charges. They want overwhelming proof to approve felony charges.

That is of course, unless your a policeman in Chicago.

5/19/2008 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anybody run this guy and see if he had a IR number. He could of lied on his FOID application.

5/19/2008 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FELONY REVIEW IS A JOKE!!!
Charge according to the law, and let the courts handle it!!!

5/19/2008 04:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"asa best money can buy"! How dumb is that office? now we have alvarez riding in to corral all the corrupt and not corrupt cops! Wow! I cannot wait how much less work can I do?

5/19/2008 04:59:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Hold on just a minute, this is a bit disturbing to me..SCC I thought you were, like me, a second amendment guy. The poster mentioned these were M1's...So what.. What is relevent; did they have a back ground?? and I don't mean weed when they were 18. Seriously, (and I'm white and truly a republican for the record) if the gun was in the car, if the guy was not a real criminal, if he had the gun for personal protection and I don't mean from the police, then I'm glad there was no felony.

Again, the point of the post isn't the Second Amendment. We support fully the right to keep and bear arms. Unfortunately, we don't live in that state right now. We use this site and our discretionary money to fight the good fight and repeal or defeat asinine anti-gun laws. We push that agenda.

We also push the agenda that the ASA's selectively enforce certain laws. As we know the law, guns in Illinois must be cased and unloaded - no exceptions. Handguns are banned in Chicago - no exceptions.

Until those laws are changed, then what? We love to see someone with a pile of money charged and then fight it all the way to the Supreme Court and win.

5/19/2008 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A classic case for an override!

5/19/2008 04:49:00 AM

override serves no purpose anymore. it goes to bond court and from there get nolle'd. bottom line ASA'S wont prosecute your override.

5/19/2008 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the officers try for an override? If not, why not?

5/19/2008 12:04:00 AM

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Try getting a WC to do an override nowadays, just don't hold your breath.

5/19/2008 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if a street Deputy overrides an ASA regarding Felony approval, then the street Deputy should have to go to court along with the ASA rejecting charges, and testify as to his part in the investigation. Thats the way it's done in the United States.

5/19/2008 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One thing I remember is that you can file a writ of mandamus, which says "public official, do your job and follow the law".


You should have hung on a little longer in law school - you would have learned that mandamus isn't applicable in discretionary decisions by government officers.

Good try though....

5/19/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, the point of the post isn't the Second Amendment. We support fully the right to keep and bear arms. Unfortunately, we don't live in that state right now. We use this site and our discretionary money to fight the good fight and repeal or defeat asinine anti-gun laws. We push that agenda.
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I believe you SCC and you do a great job in my opinion. It's just this post here wasn't written out enough and th mention of M1, with nothing else mentioned, was an open door for criticism.. Thanks for posting my remarks and for being big enough to accept the critique and in the future be careful, not everyone will be so quick as I to believe in you...

5/19/2008 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard from a Dic in the area that Darren O'Brien stated no felony theft charges will be approved unless the loss is a thousand dollars and can be confirmed. Any violent crime every witness has to be interviewed before charges are approved. If the witness is named and doesn't want to cooperate, no charges. The states attorneys office makes their own rules and screw the wording of the laws. The cases are tried by the ASA's before charges are considered. Only in crooked county. Any other county around us would approve cherges 80-90 percent of the time. Not here. Darren O'Brien should be the first one fired when we get a new states attorney.

5/19/2008 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If You do nothing ,you do knothing wrong!

5/19/2008 08:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's amazing is that so few coppers known the fucking gun laws, and or, ordinances to begin with.
It would seem that it is time to re-read the state code on weapons violations. Then, re-read the city code. Locked and loaded? Felony charges should be sought.
If a person does not act within the Law, then that person has no regard for the Law. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse.

5/19/2008 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any violent crime every witness has to be interviewed before charges are approved.

Those dumb ass ASAs - why on earth would they want to interview a witness BEFORE filing charges..

That's just plain stupid - it's bad enough they want witnesses located - but spoken to?

Assholes, every one of them.

5/19/2008 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just got off work in 012. same thing almost happened. Felony Review rejected charges on two weapons with the serial numbers defaced because the arrestee's BROTHER had an FOID and may have lived on the premises. The Beat car went to the Lt. requesting an override. The Lt.then called Felony Review herself and after some "reconsideration" and excuses on the part of the ASA he approved the charges. No override was required but the ASA definitely needed some "gentle" persuasion.

5/20/2008 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOW ABOUT A SECTION FOR GOOD CASES GONE BAD.... LIKE REJECTING TO FILE CHARGES AGAINST A CONVICTED CHILD MURDERER WHO FAILED TO REGISTER FOR 2 YEARS ........ HE CLAIMED HE DID NOT NOW HE HAD TO. YES CHICAGO, THIS IS YOUR STATE AT ITS BEST. HAPPENED IN 006!!!!!!!

5/20/2008 04:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

classic race issue, let it go. I grew up on the south side went to school and make a very decent salary which entitles me to drive a very expensive vehicle and also puts me in the company of a diverse crowd.

Of course the portion of my associates that aren't black who have had the opportuniy to be stopped by CPD have had the privledge to go home, me on the other hand received the tour of the local police district. The thing is we all have FOID cards.

Hey that incident screwed up my night but it was all worth it to see the look on that cops face at court when the charges were dropped.

I'm a liberal but I also believe in the right to bear arms. everyone is not out to attack the police we know you guys have it hard, we just want to make it home at the end of the day just like you guys.

5/20/2008 05:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...You should have hung on a little later in law school..."

No thanks, I needed my sanity. I will agree with you that it was a good try. However, I will argue with you the fact that charging a person according to the statutes set by the state legislature is not a "discretionary" decision.

5/20/2008 05:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

darren o'brien is the biggest stroke in the a.s.a's office!!!! only cares about convictions and prosecuting newsworthy events, coppers, etc... sound like anyone else who use to be in that office? i believe he is our mayor

5/20/2008 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened in 012 was that the officers wrote a bullshit case report that did not explain the facts and when they spoke with the ASA, they talked with a mush mouth. That's why the state rejected the charges on the defaced guns. Lt. Winsberg did call the state and clean up the officers mess and charges were approved. These were experienced officers who can't even justify a UUW arrest!!!!!!!!.
That's what happens when you let Donna B. be in charge.

5/20/2008 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Race isn't the issue here. M/1 or M/2, two guys driving around with a loaded 9mm and two extra clips are a potential danger to me and to you, and that includes all the non-PO's trolling here.

As for the slugs slinging criticism about making the traffic stop in the first place - I make about 10% of the stops I made at this time last year. But the ones I DO make are for specific reasons - any experienced PO should know what I'm talking about - that's how I got this gun.

This isn't a 2nd Amendment issue - it's officer safety. White, black, hispanic, chinese, polish, irish I don't give a fuck. You idiots whining about the 2nd Amendment - consider this - go ahead and give this guy a pass and when he goes down the street and shoots another PO, you can stand up proudly at the funeral and salute.

As for felony review, the ASA's should enforce the law, but they do just whatever the hell they feel like doing. I don't want to hear their excuses, and if any of the ones I read here are from PO's siding with the ASA's, please leave Chicago. This place is bad enough and you only make it worse.

5/20/2008 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope they let him keep the gun this way when he kills some home boy next week he can say I thought my FOID card allowed that. He can single handed take out more bangers than a bunch of workin coppers w/ years of workn.

5/20/2008 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If it was a P.O.......then CHARGES APPROVED......

BEAT GUY.

5/20/2008 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What happened with the override?

5/19/2008 01:47:00 AM

Any override is NOlle'd the next day. By ASA anyways. They usually tell you when they refuse the charges.

Isn't there any laws that make it illegal for an ASA not to follow a law? Prosecute them by the FEDS.

5/20/2008 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

regardless if you have a foid card....you CANNOT own a handgun in this city......and unless your carrying it in a case in your trunk....then GUILTY.....let the burden of proof fall upon the OFFENDER to prove what he was doing with a loaded handgun....W/ 2 EXTRA MAGAZINES UNDER HIS DRIVERS SIDE SEAT.....i know im sure he was going home...to a second job.....church...college class.......hey liberals......BEAT IT!!!!!!

5/20/2008 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These offciers were also informed by the Watch Commander that he couldnt get an override if the A.S.A. didnt hear it. Watch kind of B.S. was that by Felony Review to say release him without charges and to tell these officers they wouldnt hear it till after the detectives investigated the financial crimes part of it. Thats why society is fucked up because of A.S.A.'s like this. All they wanted was to get this shooter off the street. This A.S.A. was working first watch so go figure. Anyone else experience this type of behavior from felony review?

5/19/2008 10:34:00 AM

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One problem in this case is the CPD's inability to properly investigate the crime. What other major city police force would say, "We can't conduct that criminal investigation, because no one is available." Lazy and disgraceful.

That said, the ASA doesn't have to charge every crime in one swoop. What if the car the offender was in belonged to a murder victim in Florida? Does the ASA have to wait for the murder investigation to be completed before charging the UUW? No.

The WC could have told the ASA he was separating the deceptive practice from the UUW under different RDs and he was seeking a charge now for a UUW reported under that RD.

Watch Commander is a powerful position. Its a shame the CPD fills it with lazy morons.

5/20/2008 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for over rides, I was told the ASA's in court drop the cases because they do not want Felony Review looking bad, per Devine. Can anyone say they have ever had a case that was an over ride go to trial? Just wondering.

5/19/2008 03:01:00 PM

Yes, I have, but don't think the ASA's at the prelim didn't do their best to dirty the case up. Both offenders eventually plead to Armed Robbery time. ADS Kajari did the override after seeing the crime scene photos of the victim.

5/20/2008 11:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any violent crime every witness has to be interviewed before charges are approved.

Those dumb ass ASAs - why on earth would they want to interview a witness BEFORE filing charges..

That's just plain stupid - it's bad enough they want witnesses located - but spoken to?

Assholes, every one of them.

5/19/2008 10:55:00 PM

You're kidding, right?
What is he a witness to? And what will he say?
That's why they call it an investigation.

5/20/2008 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't copy the entire post for brevity.

...Driver admits he was just shot at and was looking for retaliation. While in the office these officers find out that hes running some type of credit card fraud for thousands of dollars along with several stolen credit cards, several thousand in cash and cashiers checks. Well these officers call the A.S.A. and low and behold they dont want anypart of it. Not until the financial part of this is investigated by the detectives. Then they can go after him for U.U.W. After several rounds with the A.S.A. they still didnt want to hear it. No financial crimes detectives available, they wanted these officers to cut this guy loose back out on the street. This A.S.A. was a complete moron. These offciers were also informed by the Watch Commander that he couldnt get an override if the A.S.A. didnt hear it. Watch kind of B.S. was that by Felony Review to say release him without charges and to tell these officers they wouldnt hear it till after the detectives investigated the financial crimes part of it. Thats why society is fucked up because of A.S.A.'s like this. All they wanted was to get this shooter off the street. This A.S.A. was working first watch so go figure. Anyone else experience this type of behavior from felony review?

5/19/2008 10:34:00 AM

If all you wanted was to get this shooter off the street, why bring up the financial part to Felony Review that obviously was not even close to being ready to present. Pinch the UUW, document and notify the financial dics. With the 48 hour (actually the 36 hour, but really 24 hour) rule and tons of people to interview, bringing this shit up to Felony Review queered the deal on your UUW.

5/20/2008 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9mm are not clip fed weapons?

5/20/2008 03:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what!!!

Give him the GUN.......

Matter of fact LOAD it for him....

Point him in the direction of YOUR favorite GHETTO.......

Then worry about it later as we get MISSION NUMBERS for the aftermath of the HOMICIDE he is going to commit!

Just stay sober in a bar and watch who you sandbag out there as you REMAIN PROACTIVE!

INDEMNIFICATION!!!!?????? (not even sure its a word!)

5/20/2008 04:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just who in the hell can we complain to about these individuals? Sometimes they tell you things you know to be a non-truth and when you pull out the statute just to "be sure you read it right" they get a stanky assed attitude. On top of their fucked up attitude it appears that they are not required to give you their names when they f*&% up. So who are we really kidding? Huh? Just like they answer at the A2 division "is the person someone of note? Was there a large quantity of money stolen? Or was there consider great bodily harm?" Basically if you are not with money, a phone call or blowing someone who is your case means shit. This goes for our own department as well as the ASA. The only difference is that if a Dick tells you something they have to give their names and back it up. State's Attorneys can feel free to spout off absolute garbage and never ever even once have to have the balls to put their name by it.

5/20/2008 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous CN said...

What's the point for going for an override? Other than getting credit for a felony. ASA's will knock it back down at the probable cause hearing.

5/20/2008 04:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

did this guy actually hurt anyone? is he a career criminal, or just a guy who made a bad choice?

5/20/2008 04:41:00 PM  
Anonymous CN said...

"The guy had a FOID, so he isn't a criminal. Why would you want to charge him as a felon?"

Welcome to the job! Guy with a FOID would never sell a gun to a shithead.

5/20/2008 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plain and simple folks, gun crimes should be prosecuted. As a former ASA, (not in Cook County), and current police officer in the Cook County suburbs, I can't say that I am surprised by this, its par for the course.

720 ILCS 5/24-1.6(a)(1)(3)(A) for anybody who is interested.

Keep making those arrests, get those guns off the street.

5/20/2008 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Plain and simple folks, gun crimes should be prosecuted. As a former ASA, (not in Cook County), and current police officer in the Cook County suburbs, I can't say that I am surprised by this, its par for the course.

720 ILCS 5/24-1.6(a)(1)(3)(A) for anybody who is interested.

Keep making those arrests, get those guns off the street.

5/20/2008 05:28:00 PM

Carrying a gun isnt a crime,its a right guaranteed under the Bill of Rights.

5/20/2008 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Plain and simple folks, gun crimes should be prosecuted.


5/20/2008 05:28:00 PM"


You must be a lawyer, because only a lawyer, aka liar, would use "gun crimes" as an oxymoron.


For there to be a 'gun crime' a 'gun' must be used, or have been used, to commit a 'crime', emphasis on a 'crime' being committed using a 'gun'.


Only in the unconstitutional domain of the midget, and his ilk, is possessing the means of defending self considered a crime, in and of itself.


Daley must have loved everything about the books written by Hitler and Lenin, he's following the same paths they did.

5/20/2008 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Welcome to the job! Guy with a FOID would never sell a gun to a shithead.

5/20/2008 04:42:00 PM"


You've got an FOID, would you?

5/20/2008 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"never ever even once have to have the balls to put their name by it."

That's just a weird comment - every case I have approved or rejected - including one that wasn't called in and the PO just slapped my name on for fun, have my name.

You actually put it on the arrest report.

5/21/2008 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All these people bringing up an over ride have obviously never done one. It's like asking for a favor and then you might as well throw the folder in the garbage when it gets to court.

5/21/2008 05:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep your guns in a trap folks.

5/21/2008 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all you guys always beefing about felony review DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ALREADY!!! Call the Illinois ARDC and place a complaint against the attorney. If you feel there is misconduct do like they do to the police, report it and let there be an investigation. These people are not your friends.

5/21/2008 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

94 mostly anonymous comments later and noone will (I'd assume someone can) post an RD#.

But yet nothing.

Most likely it didn't happen the way it was reported by SCC.

5/22/2008 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The ASA-hats are something else aren't they? I can't wait until the R. Kelly trial blows up in their face. I see cook county court calls getting smaller by the day. If it gets any smaller i can smell a downsizing in the ASA's office, courtesy of Toddler. Ah yes! all you C average law students better polish off that resume.

5/22/2008 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont see the problem.Im not a cop and I carry my gun.I was in full compliance of the law of the land.

5/22/2008 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
94 mostly anonymous comments later and noone will (I'd assume someone can) post an RD#.

But yet nothing.

Most likely it didn't happen the way it was reported by SCC.

5/22/2008 12:26:00 AM

your investigatory skills suck thats why you will not get promoted. You are too dumb to query the data base for it. I found it.

5/22/2008 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

regardless if you have a foid card....you CANNOT own a handgun in this city......and unless your carrying it in a case in your trunk....then GUILTY.....let the burden of proof fall upon the OFFENDER to prove what he was doing with a loaded handgun....W/ 2 EXTRA MAGAZINES UNDER HIS DRIVERS SIDE SEAT.....i know im sure he was going home...to a second job.....church...college class.......hey liberals......BEAT IT!!!!!!
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Liberal?????? Do you even know the difference between a liberal cause and a conservative cause. In MOST states citizens own and/or posses a firearm, a right, guaranteed by the second amendment. The right to own and carry a firearm is a conservative issue moron. Just be honest with yourself, the key phrase in the original post was "M1." God forbid we have a bunch of M1's walking and driving around with guns.....I say if you never stopped some fireman, or some other average joe who happened to have a gun in the car, who you didn't arrest, then you either have less then five years on this job and still feel everyone HAS to go to jail or you just aren't as aggressive as you'd like us to believe and you're pissed you didn't get felony on your very first gun arrest. You've probably never taken a gun from citizen and made a "weapons turn in" because this was no criminal. You very likely are like the clown from Englewood about ten years back who dragged an elderly Pastor and his wife out of their car, when he saw the handle of a gun under the 75 plus year old wife's seat, all the while yelling at them he'd blow their heads off if they moved. The only life that officer saved was that of the burglar the pastor might have shot had super cop not taken his gun away.

5/23/2008 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if a street Deputy overrides an ASA regarding Felony approval, then the street Deputy should have to go to court along with the ASA rejecting charges, and testify as to his part in the investigation. Thats the way it's done in the United States.

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Thats the way its done in the U.S.? What the fuck are you talking about?
Stupid fuck.

5/23/2008 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was this story given to the newspapers? If so was it published? If not, why not?

5/24/2008 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberal?????? Do you even know the difference between a liberal cause and a conservative cause. In MOST states citizens own and/or posses a firearm, a right, guaranteed by the second amendment. The right to own and carry a firearm is a conservative issue moron. Just be honest with yourself, the key phrase in the original post was "M1." God forbid we have a bunch of M1's walking and driving around with guns.....I say if you never stopped some fireman, or some other average joe who happened to have a gun in the car, who you didn't arrest, then you either have less then five years on this job and still feel everyone HAS to go to jail or you just aren't as aggressive as you'd like us to believe and you're pissed you didn't get felony on your very first gun arrest. You've probably never taken a gun from citizen and made a "weapons turn in" because this was no criminal. You very likely are like the clown from Englewood about ten years back who dragged an elderly Pastor and his wife out of their car, when he saw the handle of a gun under the 75 plus year old wife's seat, all the while yelling at them he'd blow their heads off if they moved. The only life that officer saved was that of the burglar the pastor might have shot had super cop not taken his gun away.

5/23/2008 12:24:00 AM

You are an asshole plain and simple.....how dare pass judgement on a PO for his or her reaction when seeing a gun! I dont care if it was this officer or not. I would'nt have cared if they were both 90years old apiece. They still could have reached for the gun and pulled the trigger you FUCKING MORON! or they would'nt have been carrying one if they could'nt in the first place! Sorry, but the safety of my partner and myself come before worrying about overreacting or hurting someones feelings. You dont like it then too fucking bad. If I made a mistake then I'll make ammends for it and apologize but I'm sorry....I've worked in 007 for many years and seen all types of people carrying and until I feel safe then all bets are off. Charge him with the gun and let the ASA drop it or weapon recovery. Sorry but you are wrong for suggesting a pass for the poor old rev. Its wrong and you are wrong. Thank God I have never had the displeasure of working with an ass like you. You my friend are gonna get someone hurt, killed and put in a real bad jam.

5/27/2008 01:10:00 AM  

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