Big Time!
Front page of the Sun Times website:
- Only fit cops will get big gun
Cops who want to shoot an M4 assault weapon will have to flex more than a trigger finger. The Chicago Police Department recently launched physical fitness tests for cops who have applied to carry the semiautomatic rifle. Members of gang, gun and tactical teams are the first ones being asked if they want to take the state-approved exam for officers, called the P.O.W.E.R. test.
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What others are saying: Second City Cop
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
54 Comments:
Aside from the POWER test, we then are "volunteering" to have our duty hours changed and location of tour changed at a moments notice....where do I sign up?!?
Is any one gona call a "who you crappin?" on Monique Bond. FOP? Buhler? Anyone? Give me a freakin break, the gun might bounce if you are running after someone and are out of shape. What Bulls**t. If someone is running from you, the circumstances better be 100%on your side before you go shootin at the dude. He better be armed and he better be pointin the gun at you. This si not the situation you would use a long gun for anyway. If you had the authority and right to shoot him, you don't need to run after him. Take a knee, take steafy aim and fire, You can hit him up to a block away. This policy could leave officers under equiped. Monique, who you crappin?
Pallidin
only the fit get the cool guns? ever notice that quite a few of these muscle heads always stub their toes,hurt their shoulders and get boo-boos all the time? and some spend quite a bit of time on the medical. there just shoving this power test on us...stop the B S....
Strange how the Army gave me an M16A2 for almost 13 years as well as an M60,M9,(M203 at times) but the city just seems to think I'm not qualified to carry the M4. I'll do the silly little power test, then I think I'll teach the instructors how to shoot. I wonder how many of them could pass the power test.
Thanks for the details. I still can't bring myself to read that rag. I want to know why the city wants to negotiate a contract in the media while trying to make us look like a bunch of out of shape lazy cops who can't be trusted with a "big gun" to even the odds with assault rifle toting thugs or possible terrorists.
Think the Olympic committee is impressed? Keep it up and keep watching that crime rate go up. I bet the committee is watching it go up too. Don't worry, the west side revs will draw them here with all of their insipiring words and peaceful demonstrations. Heh, heh, heh.
Everyman
Its kinda funny when you think about it. Some affirmative action, non-Police weenie bitch, saying how I cant have an M4 because I might "grasp for breath" just because I didn't take some fitness test thats much easier for woman.
Military trained and lifelong hunter/shooter/sportsmen, 26 year veteran, and I cant have an M4 cause I might grasp for breath.
I got somthing "wavering" right here Monica. Buts its the long barreled target match edition.
How about this with the M-4s.Since they want us to take a power,fitness test to carry one why doesn't the leadership of the department set an example for all of us by taking the power test first.If your going to sent a message to the troops to be fit have all exempt take the test because when something goes wrong,and you know it will they are the one's that will be judging you and suspending you.Please lead by example.
Here is a great chance for police to stand together and tell the City to hell with the power test and stay away in droves. Does anyone think the rank and file will do it?
So does the order say if I qualify on an M4 that I will voluntarily break my own contract and work without compensation other locations and times? For what? No extra pay? The glory of it all? To serve our beloved Mayor???
Monique Bond can shove an M4 rifle right up her ass and let me know if it wavers. If those are the conditions you wil not catch me trying to qualify on one and I have been shooting very well for over 30 years and own a match grade hbar. This department is a fucking joke.
Suddenly Monique Bond is qualified as a firearm expert? Wow what a stretch for her! let someone from the range speak not her. The more she talks, the more we miss the talent of Pat Camden. When will Monqiue wear a uniform like JFED? Monique, stay with topics that you undertsand, and avoid police work.
you think were short manpower now, just wait til noone passes that power test.
J-Fraud talks out of both sides of his mouth. "If you want an M4, you have to pass the power test. And if you want to make Sgt. in the future, you'll also have to pass the power test." Now, look at the crew of exempts J-Fraud just recently promoted. Ask yourself if your commander could pass a power test. They don't call them "exempts" for nothing.
Anonymous said...
only the fit get the cool guns? ever notice that quite a few of these muscle heads always stub their toes,hurt their shoulders and get boo-boos all the time? and some spend quite a bit of time on the medical. there just shoving this power test on us...stop the B S....
5/17/2008 12:29:00 AM
LOL! True we have a guy in our unit who boasts I can move "620#" on the sled and then complains about his bad back! WTF! They can keep the guns I don't want it fuck you give me a car with good a/c that runs great and a radio and computer that works and lastly how about 10 HOUR DAYS AND A "CONTRACT"!
What is so great about the public having a direct link to this site and seeing what assholes we are to eachother? The media loves to portray us in a negative fashion, and now it is just easier for everyone to see our dirty laundry.
How about NO ONE volunteer to take the power test?
What no media coverage of the 79/Marquette outdoor roll car where we tried our best to make the 004 citizens deaf? Close to 500 coppers from Area 2 and specialized units all blaring sirens and emmitting blue lights. WTF! It was fucking priceless. Kids waving at us gleefully as drunken hobos cussed at the noise. The gang bangers? They were laughing at our parade...it was a sad day for CPD.
If I'm not allowed to have the same best armament for my protection as others in the Police Dept; I've instructed my family to have our Attorney sue the sH*t out of the city if I'm seriously hurt or killed due to not being allowed the same weaponry as others on the CPD will have. Whats good for one is good for all. Train and equip everyone, or no one. We are all CPD.
I wonder how many of them could pass the power test.
5/17/2008 01:46:00 AM
Special folks will always be special.
Isnt the whole point of the rifle to give you "ballistic reach" so you dont have to run after someone?
I mean,look at these SWAT teams nowdays.I can watch a dozen SWAT type shows on cable,youtube,liveleak and see how the teams deploy.
They all roll up to the structure in the bunny bread truck,and jump out and run across the lawn maybe 50-100 feet.No 20k marches with TA50 gear here.
POWER test for a longgun?how bout an oral interview,background and psyhc eval too??
the m4 is NOT a big gun.
springfield, ruger and d s arms are marketing many .30 cal. carbines that would be a much better choice.
I don't get it. Why not equip officers with .12 ga shotguns?
Much more effective weapon for street patrol than a rifle.
I recall years ago when the reverends protested shotguns in squad cars and even K-9s as being racist tools of the "man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCra4qOrjFw&feature=related
My Chinaman said not to worry about the power test.
The power test is a joke. ISP allows for their sworn to do a 3 mile walk instead of the 1.5 mile run and crunches instead of situps. Its funny to see fat troopers walking around the track and smoking while they take the test. We get an extra day off if you pass but its still a joke. Another day off of the street
Chi Trooper
"I recall years ago when the reverends protested shotguns in squad cars and even K-9s as being racist tools of the "man."
5/17/2008 05:22:00 PM"
They're only racist tools when used by racists.
How many gang-bangers have dogs and use them against people?
How many gang-bangers have shotguns and use them against people?
And what people do the gang-bangers use them against?
To the DORK who has "instructed his family to sue the city"
Yeah right!
You are an embarrassment.
Besides, I doubt that you will ever get hurt on the job. Maybe a paper cut?\
"What is so great about the public having a direct link to this site and seeing what assholes we are to eachother? The media loves to portray us in a negative fashion, and now it is just easier for everyone to see our dirty laundry.
5/17/2008 09:44:00 AM"
What world do you live in?
People are assholes to each other every-fucking-where.
Unless you've bought in to the fallacy that cops are supposed to be a superior life form, far superior than the rest of the people inhabiting the world, (said fallacy that is responsible for the bullshit criticisms being piled into a mountain of bullshit by the media, at the 'request' of the political cocksuckers who'd rather steal from the people than do an honest day's worth of work), you'd understand that this site actually improves the publics' understanding of who cops are and what cops deal with every day.
THIS is what the people really need to know, not the crap they are fed by the politician controlled and agenda driven bullshit media.
This site provides the best opportunity for those human beings who've chosen to be the police to honestly communicate with those they've sworn to serve and protect.
If you need to feel that you're superior to those around you, get into politics.
Im fat and carry a revolver....as long as my cruiser has air conditioning in it during the summer months, so my italian ice doesn't melt, I don't give a rats ass. PS I already spent my retro check.
I thought first we were all going to get the same handguns, then we were all going to going to get M4 rifles, now we aren't getting anything, what an embarassment, get it straight for once and for all, or shut up all together. Quit making fools of yourselves and us along with you.
If the Dept. says your not fit enough to carry the rifle, isn't that like the Dept. admitting you're not fit enough to be on full street duty? It don't make no sense to me. Lots of incidents out on the streets require more stamina than carrying a light little rifle once and a while. Sounds like complete B.S. to me.
A good gun for all the 3 yr. and under wanna-bees would be the bean - bag gun.
No rifles for cops over 195 lbs; too much of an insurance risk. This rules out half the Dept already.
I'm callin my Clout AND my Lawyer...........
You know whats not fair?
The shoeless one gets to drive aroung in a cruiser while I only have a PT boat.
theres a short, funny lookin dick on the southside who really, really wants to carry a M4 rifle very badly. Wonder why?
fat and carry a revolver....as long as my cruiser has air conditioning in it during the summer months, so my italian ice doesn't melt, I don't give a rats ass. PS I already spent my retro check.
5/17/2008 09:25:00 PM
you sir are my hero! when you spent your check I hope Frank was playing "That's life" MYyyyyyyy MYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
What no media coverage of the 79/Marquette outdoor roll car where we tried our best to make the 004 citizens deaf? Close to 500 coppers from Area 2 and specialized units all blaring sirens and emmitting blue lights. WTF! It was fucking priceless. Kids waving at us gleefully as drunken hobos cussed at the noise. The gang bangers? They were laughing at our parade...it was a sad day for CPD.
5/17/2008 11:01:00 AM
As a civilian, it was hard watching it. I'm embarassed for the police. I don't know, can it get any worse?
It's as if those who pull the strings are intentionally trying to make the department look like buffoons. Just disgraceful.
What does the Power test have anything to do with qualifying with a rifle or even being able to handle one.???????????????
To the idiot who called the copper who will instruct his family to sue
if he gets hurt because he is undergunned because of Dept. Bullshit.... That is exactly what I will tell my family too and so would you if you had ant sense.
And speaking of this POWER test, is
it going to be the same test for everybody of will it be jerrymandered by age or better yst
by sex, maybe they should just give the girls a lighter M-4 ??!!
Monique knows nothing about guns or their use.Power Test is BS and an invitation for a lawsuit. To be
able to qualify with it is legally
sustainable but the Power Test for
Jody's sake will cost the city millions I am afraid to say. Why
doesn't someone from the cities legal Dept. look at this first and
save the city a bundle and just maybe a Police Officers life !
When I was in the U.S Army,I never ever had to take a PT test to carry a weapon.M-16,M-203,M-60,and a M-1911A1;and the shotgun.The only time I had to run and jump and then shoot was training with the West German Army.I had to qualify with the G-3,Uzi,and the Walther P-38.I was awarded the Gold Cord Shutzenschur.Expert shooter..J-Fed ist very tuetonic.
The spokeswomen is at it again with her knowledgable comments. here is a classic.
"I don't believe it's likely that situations would arise where you'd be running great distances with this weapon," Donahue said. "As long as you're proficient, you should be able to carry it."
Police spokeswoman Monique Bond disagreed.
"If you are grasping for breath, the weapon could waver up and down," she said.
the only waver up and down is her dumb comments as our spokeperson!
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/953842,CST-NWS-guns16good.article
Anonymous said...
When I was in the U.S Army,I never ever had to take a PT test to carry a weapon.M-16,M-203,M-60,and a M-1911A1;and the shotgun.The only time I had to run and jump and then shoot was training with the West German Army.I had to qualify with the G-3,Uzi,and the Walther P-38.I was awarded the Gold Cord Shutzenschur.Expert shooter..J-Fed ist very tuetonic.
5/18/2008 04:13:00 AM
I understand your expertise, but Monique said no way. Monique is the expert on all things police related. I wonder if she even knows what a M4 is? Does anyone actually brief her before she speaks?
Anonymous said...
the m4 is NOT a big gun.
springfield, ruger and d s arms are marketing many .30 cal. carbines that would be a much better choice.
5/17/2008 01:33:00 PM
None of those manufactures are making .30 carbines,only Auto-Ord/Kahrs Arms is.
Yes,the carbine M1 with hollow or soft point ammo makes a great patrol weapon.
"As a civilian, it was hard watching it. I'm embarassed for the police. I don't know, can it get any worse?
It's as if those who pull the strings are intentionally trying to make the department look like buffoons. Just disgraceful.
5/17/2008 11:43:00 PM"
Not buffoons, but puppets, putting on a little show.
And not primarily for the public, but as a way of feebly trying to 'show dem coppers who's da boss'.
Thing is, all it shows is the arrogance and imbecility of those who think they're life long puppet masters.
When the percentage of cops who realize that they are the force to be reckoned with reaches critical mass, and that percentage is growing larger with every passing day, it'll vaporize the curtain of lies and bullshit that the 'men and women behind the curtain' want the public to 'pay no attention to'.
Then, the public will have no choice but to realize that the emperor truly does have no clothes.
He's naked as a jay bird and ugly as the sins he's committed, is committing and has every intention of continuing to commit.
Strip the bitch midget, and his cohorts, and let the public see what they've been reelecting all these years.
Maybe then the public will face the mess they've created by accepting sheephood as a substitute for man and womanhood.
When I was in the U.S Army,I never ever had to take a PT test to carry a weapon.M-16,M-203,M-60,and a M-1911A1;and the shotgun.The only time I had to run and jump and then shoot was training with the West German Army.I had to qualify with the G-3,Uzi,and the Walther P-38.I was awarded the Gold Cord Shutzenschur.Expert shooter..J-Fed ist very tuetonic.
5/18/2008 04:13:00 AM
If I knew what tuetonic meant, I'd probably agree with you.
I'm beginning to think that Daley picked Weis because he's a doofus. Probably gave him all that money because he's going to use it as a reason to get rid of him someday.
If you're out of shape and can't carry an M4 because the sights may waver when you're "grasping for air" wont't the same thing happen with your pistol. But yet, we can all carry a pistol. Monique may be the dumbest person in the world.
5/18/2008 08:53:00 AM
I don't know, I notice her voice kind of wavers when she talks...
The power test is a joke. Any person on this job who cant pass the minimium standards of the state power test is a disgrace to themselves. No excuses. And no im not on steroids and in the greatest shape but i do MAKE time to work out with 3 young children and a very busy life. Family is always first. Take care of yourself so they can have you around for a while.
i've got a .30 carbine (at the place in WI.) and would love to have it on duty but i meant carbine as in short rifle.
all the mfg's i listed make "short" versions of their specialty rifles. check out their web sites you will like everything but the price.
"I don't know, I notice her voice kind of wavers when she talks...
5/18/2008 04:53:00 PM"
Does it waver up and down?
While she's grasping?
Just dont sign up for the test! let the m-4's sit in storage and rust!!
Anonymous said...
When I was in the U.S Army,I never ever had to take a PT test to carry a weapon.M-16,M-203,M-60,and a M-1911A1;and the shotgun.The only time I had to run and jump and then shoot was training with the West German Army.I had to qualify with the G-3,Uzi,and the Walther P-38.I was awarded the Gold Cord Shutzenschur.Expert shooter..J-Fed ist very tuetonic.
5/18/2008 04:13:00 AM
If I knew what tuetonic meant, I'd probably agree with you.
5/18/2008 03:22:00 PM
Its on the next SGTs test.
Talked to the range guys,we are getting these soon.
http://www.crickett.com/CrickettRifle/m221/m221.html
DONT HATE OLD GUYS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BELONGS TO THE YOUNG. OLD GUYS RETIRE AND ENJOY LIFE. DONT BE LIKE BIG BIRD, NEVER WORKED A DAY IN HIS LIFE AND HELOVES TO STICK IT TO COPS, RETIRE DUDE, YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE, YOU ARE A BIG GOOF, YOU WILL STEP ON YOUR PRIVATES LIKE HERMAN, PEOPLE HAVE SEEN YOU IN BOYS TOWN ( DONT FORGET INSPECTORS ARE TAPED TOO)AND WOW YOU ARE MARRIED.... WHEN YOU GET CAUGHT WE WILL THROW A HUGE PARTY AND FINALLY YOU WILL BE GONE AND THE KID YOU WERE SEEN WITH, WILL BE FREE! OOOpS! .
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