BIS Program Fallout
What's this all about?
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To all the P.O's that received their letters in the mail from the FOP regarding the BIS program DO NOT SIGN IT. If you do, it prevents you from seeking any form of compensation in the future. The FOP has some balls entering into an agreement with the city concerning this matter without even consulting the people that were in the program to begin with. Then trying to order the P.O's to agree to it.
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Fellow P.O.'s if you were placed on BIS or Personal concerns and received a letter in the mail pay attention. DO NOT SIGN THE AGREEMENT! It is the City and the FOP's way of trying to mislead us and not have any responsibility for their actions. REPEAT DO NOT SIGN THE AGREEMENT!
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We're aware that the City recently admitted to "mistakenly" placing or keeping a few hundred officers in the BIS program. With such an admission, why wouldn't everyone be entitled to some sort of restitution, compensation or what not?
Someone care to enlighten the masses?
Someone care to enlighten the masses?
Labels: FOP, we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
64 Comments:
Denied TAC, Swat, Units, Robbery cars, ect...everyone thinks you are a fuck up, no one has a clue. Most SOS guys were put in it, came to the Districts and were looked at like fuckn criminals. It is fucking true, the working police get the #'s. -formere BIS'er-
BIS program?
Bureau of Investigational Services?
. . . What the fuck is that?
Cooter says HEY
The City and FOP in bed together as usual, attempting to do damage control. A little to late for that after destroying these officers reputations and hurting them financially. Yes, regardless what you say, SD and TF, these officers were damaged, therefore there should have been damages agreed upon and awarded.
The nerve to agree to such a settlement and then to use language telling the officers they "must" sign the agreement. Whose agreement, it's surely not that of the officers. All indications point to a back-door deal made between the City and FOP. Time to organize brothers, can you say class action lawsuit? Stay tuned.
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These officers were all trouble makers
More fallout from the legacy of leadership within IAD under Kirby.
And now they've made her the general counsel to Weis? God save us all.
These officers were all trouble makers
6/28/2008 04:24:00 AM
oh really? wanna say that to my face you anonymous pussy?
in dist 001 and no not cooter.
BIS is Behavioral Intervention System, it part of the Personnel Concern program. Look up BIS in the automated directives it will explain in detail.
Again SCC knows best .. you dont even have to think anymore
Anonymous said...
Cooter says HEY
6/28/2008 01:02:00 AM
hey cooter!
Holy more lawsuits Batman!!!
Although I don't mind our brothers and sisters getting compensated for the misguided actions of the exempts.
However, I believe these exempts acted purposely and willfully and so it is my opinion punitive damages should be sought. If you get an attorney- make sure they list the entire chain of command on the law suit and not just the City of Chicago and Police Department and Superintendent.
Remember it was Da Mayor, Cline and Starks, any of the Deputies, chiefs, commanders, etc...at that time. You cannot blame the current administration on this one.
Accountably for their "exempt" actions created a liability for the taxpayers. They should not be let free of any exposure to individual wrong doing and an example needs to be made to the new administration that they too will be held personally and financially responsible for their over jealous behaviors as well.
Class action status approved!
Behavioral Intervention System BIS
just look at city' s contact proposals. if you do anything but what you have to your an idiot.
"BIS program?
Bureau of Investigational Services?
. . . What the fuck is that?
6/28/2008 12:55:00 AM"
Why are trolls always so lazy?
"These officers were all trouble makers
6/28/2008 04:24:00 AM"
Get some sleep, richie, you're gonna need to be at the top of your game.
Someone needs to take the initaitive and contact an attorney. No not the one that you know from 26th st or the one that did your real estate closing but an actual lawyer that specializes in labor law and see what he advises.
It is time to take legal action. This is the only thing the city responds to. Unfortunately, the FOP will have to be named in the suit, because it failed to perform it's duty. Could there have been a secret deal here? Absolutely, that would explain that recent letter.
I say lets go for the kill on this, no more mister nice guy.
Pay attention: look up failure to represent....unions can also have problems when they fail to represent their members properly!
These officers were all trouble makers
The officers who worked the street in patrol were not trouble makers, they were officers who refused to do Illegal police work or circumvent the constitution by jamb citizens up. Insofar as the department was concerned they use this system as their own personal bully and fucked with officers. Dulay comes to mind as one of many bully's that used BIS without grounds.
To the anonymous response that stated that those officers are all trouble makers. I am one of the officers that was placed on the B.I.S. program. I work for the citizens that live in the City of Chicago and I have done my job to the best of my ability and have made hundreds and hundreds of arrests (yes a lot are B.S. subs and drinkers, however many are quality arrests) in one of the worst parts of this city. I was placed on the program without meeting any of the criteria in the G.O. Some of the CR #'s where unfounded and exonerated, yet the city counted them. When you do your job and arrest these gang bangers and criminals they will complain if you do your job. The activists don't understand the life of the police and the horrible scenes we see on a daily basis and the low life that causes harm to the hard working people of this city. If you are not the police maybe you won't understand but if you are then maybe you just pretend to be an officer of the law. I received a letter stating that I was mistakingly placed on the program after I had to jump through hoops and live with the additional stress of performing my duties.
Bureau of Investigational Services?
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= Behavioral intervention program
I would suggest contacting an attorney a real labor attorney not the idiots the FOP uses. Just like Nolan got a sweet county job after leaving the union Donahue and the rest of the fop are selling the patrolman out to enrich themselves.
In reality, there's been a mispelling. It's actually 'B/S' Program, obviously referring to BULLS***.
TO: Anonymous said...
"The City and FOP in bed together as usual, attempting to do damage control. A little to late for that after destroying these officers reputations and hurting them financially. Yes, regardless what you say, SD and TF, these officers were damaged, therefore there should have been damages agreed upon and awarded.
The nerve to agree to such a settlement and then to use language telling the officers they "must" sign the agreement. Whose agreement, it's surely not that of the officers. All indications point to a back-door deal made between the City and FOP. Time to organize brothers, can you say class action lawsuit? Stay tuned.
6/28/2008 01:34:00 AM
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The FOP Board of Directors meets Tuesday, 01 JUL 2008 in the a.m. You can check out the FOP website for the exact time. Time is set aside for the members to speak directly with the Board. Go to the meeting and ask them to explain this to you directly. You will have every one of them on the hook for the answer.
If you can't make it, then you don't really care that much, do you?
SCC has a link to their website on the main page. So don't say you couldn't find it.
The officers who were in that program cannot recover compensation because they have no damages.
If they sue, this is strictly a breach of contract case. The city clearly violated the contract.
There are NO punitive damages awarded for a breach of contract. There are also no emotional distress or other non-specific money awards in a contract case. The officers continued to get paid while they were in the program.
Unless an officer can prove he was denied a promotion BECAUSE he was in the program, he has no case. The fact that an officer might have received a merit promotion if he was not wrongly put into the program is not enough.
Don't fool yourselves. You got screwed, but you won't get paid because of it. You'll only waste your own time and money on your own lawyers suing for money you'll never see.
Art and Jon Loevy! We need you now!
BIS program?
Bureau of Investigational Services?
. . . What the fuck is that?
No one can be this dumb and be the police....
The city went after these officers with a vengence. These were the hardest working guys and gals out there. And as a thank you for all of thier work, the city using the media, attacked the charcter of these officers. All the while they should have been thanking them. As a result, they slowed down and crime has now sky rocketed. Does any one else see the correlation.
Also, in thier time of need, they turned to thier representitives FOP, and were for the most part grossly misrepresented.
Now the city and FOP together want the affected members to just shut up and go away. But we are not going away.
There are damages, officers were harmed financially, on many fronts. Each officers case must be looked at on a case by case basis, and damages determined individually, not as a whole based on the entire program. This will take much work, and should have been done in the first place, so laziness was certaintly a factor. Lawyers have been contacted, and some are jumping to take it. It is going to get ugly, and many skeletons will be unvieled, but it is necessary.
To anonymous who stated that there are no damages you must have not been in the program and dealt with all the unneccessary stress.
Don't fool yourselves. You got screwed, but you won't get paid because of it. You'll only waste your own time and money on your own lawyers suing for money you'll never see.
6/28/2008 04:35:00 PM
Thanks for your input Frank Dimaria and Sid Davis.....now go fuck yourselves.
ALL that were involved in the BIS program need the same lawyer to file a class action lawsuit. Don't sign. Get what you should get... $$$$$
I happen to be taking a nap in my cruiser with my shoes off, when it suddenly dawned on me "COOTER" is an innocent man. Now go bring law to the lawless you SOB!
I would suggest contacting an attorney a real labor attorney not the idiots the FOP uses. Just like Nolan got a sweet county job after leaving the union Donahue and the rest of the fop are selling the patrolman out to enrich themselves.
Sorry to disappoint you, ( I though Attorneys are scum OH I see only if YOU need one) anyway no attorney would take this Daley owns the court system(COOK ) Good luck all talk and no action?????
Don't fool yourselves. You got screwed, but you won't get paid because of it. You'll only waste your own time and money on your own lawyers suing for money you'll never see.
I agree I have been telling these fools the same thing for years. they don't read or understand anymore then my own 13 year old.CHILDREN
" No one can be this dumb and be the police....
6/28/2008 05:08:00 PM"
Don't be so sure..... look around you.
While you might want to check with an attorney, I can tell you officers from personal experience that punitive damages aren't allowed against the City in employment litigation.
There may be compensatory damages if you suffered enough emotional distress. Be advised that cases can take up to 2 or 3 years to reach the Seventh Circuit.
can u say,"class action?" said...
Art and Jon Loevy! We need you now!
6/28/2008 04:52:00 PM
Lets use them at least they always win multi-millions from the city!
"These officers were all trouble makers
6/28/2008 04:24:00 AM"
Hey, in my book that doesn't make them bad. Some of these bosses are so stuck in their ways and brain dead that a PO that comes along and shows a little bit of vim, vigor, vitality and ambition is seen as a threat. The department needs someone to come along and stir the old shitpot once in a while...
Keep it up.....
Any chance of posting the agreement here so we can see it?????
Most lawyers will take any case. But a couple that know labor law have advised that this case is a loser since you still received full pay while you were on it and you were compensated for all the silly shit you had to go to during it. What will you sue for because the city made you feel bad. They will laugh you out of court. If anyone has heard from a lawyer that specializes in labor please chime in.
The FOP Board of Directors meets Tuesday, 01 JUL 2008 in the a.m. You can check out the FOP website for the exact time. Time is set aside for the members to speak directly with the Board. Go to the meeting and ask them to explain this to you directly. You will have every one of them on the hook for the answer.
If you can't make it, then you don't really care that much, do you?
SCC has a link to their website on the main page. So don't say you couldn't find it.
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Don't have to. The question was raised at the last FOP meeting by an officer. FOP made it known what their stance was and they're sticking to it. Also, conversations with certain members of the Lodge resulted in persuasive speech to not sue the Dept. I think it went something like this, "You can hire an attorney and pay him money and in the end you will lose and the attorney will keep all your money, so go ahead officer and try suing."
How about those denied promotion.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I happen to be taking a nap in my cruiser with my shoes off, when it suddenly dawned on me "COOTER" is an innocent man. Now go bring law to the lawless you SOB!
6/28/2008 08:31:00 PM
I do not know if you are the police or a police groupie but please we do not use the term cruiser in Chicago. Unless we are talking about Cooter going down Belmont looking for a date. That is right Cooter, "a Hill Billy never does forget," or forgive.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I would suggest contacting an attorney a real labor attorney not the idiots the FOP uses. Just like Nolan got a sweet county job after leaving the union Donahue and the rest of the fop are selling the patrolman out to enrich themselves.
Sorry to disappoint you, ( I though Attorneys are scum OH I see only if YOU need one) anyway no attorney would take this Daley owns the court system(COOK ) Good luck all talk and no action?????
6/28/2008 08:40:00 PM
It is Federal these officers were unjustly accused and their Civil Rights violated. We are all afforded due process under the law, all of us not just "Joe."
Lawyers have been contacted, and some are jumping to take it. It is going to get ugly, and many skeletons will be unvieled, but it is necessary.
6/28/2008 06:12:00 PM
You can't possibly be serious.
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Thanks
There is obviously a lot of spin going on here. The comments against a law suit are likely being posted by FOP folks like the Judas, Mark Donahue. And of course there is the side of those of us that have been dealing with the hardship of this witch hunt perpetrated by the City of Chicago. We will play this out in court, and in the end, all the nay sayers will be proven wrong.
Anybody can say any thing that is why the adversarial system is in place, to hash things out. And to the BIS members, don't be frazzled by the FOP spin doctors who keep saying you will have to spend your own money to hire a lawyer. Lawyers have agreed to take this suit and collect in the end. If we win than they win that is how it works. So, a bit of fear mongering is going on by the Judas and his crew. I wonder how far the 13 Pieces of silver were spread.
It is not unprecedented for members of a union or collective bargaining unit to sue that body. Plenty of cases are available to look at on-line. I for one am looking forward to this.
Dear City of Chicago and FOP, I have decieded to reject this agrement, and go another route. So, go ahead and place me back on Behahioral Intervention System.
Sincerly,
Pissed off
Don't drag Dulay's name into this shitpot. A whole lot of cmdrs were ORDERED to place people into this BIS program who objected to it. When the cmdrs refused, the acting cmdr of personnel went over them and had the area Deputy Chiefs order the cmdrs to place the "special people" into the program over the cmdrs objections.
It is Federal these officers were unjustly accused and their Civil Rights violated. We are all afforded due process under the law, all of us not just "Joe."
You will not get this to Federal court. Your dreaming. This is a labor issue. if you think so go ahead and piss your money away.
Anonymous said...
Don't drag Dulay's name into this shitpot. A whole lot of cmdrs were ORDERED to place people into this BIS program who objected to it. When the cmdrs refused, the acting cmdr of personnel went over them and had the area Deputy Chiefs order the cmdrs to place the "special people" into the program over the cmdrs objections.
6/29/2008 04:46:00 PM
Who was acting commander? Rendon?
You will not get this to Federal court. Your dreaming. This is a labor issue. if you think so go ahead and piss your money away.
6/29/2008 04:49:00 PM
who do you think you are? Honestly???? God help you if you are the police you f'n tool. Honesty is one thing, but your comments are another............SHIT is what they are. You have no f'n clue the SHIT I and others were put through being on this program, you have no idea. It ruined my name, almost my marriage cause of the grief (made me one miserable m f'er) cause I loved being the police, and practically erased 10yrs of good hard honest police work for me. I was told I was the problem, I had to change my ways or I would be in the shitcan. Exact words coming from that fat ass redheaded slob sgt from personell all the while with a smug look on her face. My commander did'nt trust me, my capt and my tact Lt also did not because I was a so called problem child...or the red headed step-child. I had PPo's afraid to work with for fear of also being put in the program. All for what?????? A bunch of f'n spineless bosses at personell, IAD and Patrol who in a panic had to make things "look right" because of the SOS shit and the 007th dist tact shit. So I will say again....you have no f'n idea or clue the shit myself and others were put through just to hear the city go....WHOOPS....sorry, you shouldnt have been placed in this program.... all better now. My arrests, work history, evaluations, complim history, time on job werent even considered! I was told I was the problem. Well guess what, I and we were'nt the problem, but we are gonna be one now! So fuck u you jaggoff. If it means I waste MY own $$ and shoot myself in the foot during the process then so be it. If it cant honestly be done then I and others will have to deal with it, but judging from the nonsense I've seen being put out in the courts I'd say our chances are pretty f'n good. Keep your heads up guys. You know who you are. Dont let nonsense like the few posters get to you.
Don't drag Dulay's name into this shitpot. A whole lot of cmdrs
Is that right Chucki Dulay, This is bull shit he was more then happy to do their dirty work. Yet understand something if you told Dulay you would not commit an Illegal Move. He would make you a personal concern. So fuck you CHUCK
"There may be compensatory damages if you suffered enough emotional distress. Be advised that cases can take up to 2 or 3 years to reach the Seventh Circuit.
6/28/2008 11:39:00 PM"
7th Circuit? Where ANNE BURKE is the residing Chief Judge?GOOD LUCK!
"7th Circuit? Where ANNE BURKE is the residing Chief Judge?GOOD LUCK!
6/29/2008 09:38:00 PM"
Federal?
Who is your lawyer handling this. I could use a good contingency lawyer right about now.
Had enough, and getting too old and tired to fight the "bully boy's" fight = one PO against all rank above PO.
Well as soon as this suit gets going, please post a contact number here so i can jump on it.
Lawyers have agreed to take this suit and collect in the end. If we win than they win that is how it works.
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IF you are serious about a lawyer who agreed to take the case, I suggest we start to organize. Lets get some fliers printed and pass them out to all the districts and units so that we can know amongst each other who was all on the list.
Lawyers have agreed to take your case for one of two reasons:
1. They will ask for retainers from you and then they will proceed to bleed you dry.
2. They will convert the case into a class action suit where you pay nothing. Unfortunately for you, that is a case where the lawyer(s) take all of the settlement and the plaintiffs (you) get nothing.
Do not fool yourself. But, more importantly, do not let yourself get fooled by a lawyer who tells you he has your interests at heart.
Yes, the news conference proclaims that Joe Shithead has won big in his suit against the police.
In the end, Joe Shithead gets shit. His lawyer gets it all. Fifty percent of the settlement + fees + testifying expert expenses + travel + deposition costs = all of it.
COOTER says... Amen!
who is "I'm Done!" aka Chucky at 701?
Car 47..its a shame it has come to this.i will pay those officers out of my pocket,i will buy them new bikes and new helmets,not that cooter guy he was seen driving his car thru the taste,and i told him,dont do that u hillbilly,he said go fuck yourself sgt.and i had a offduty coppers car towed,it cost him 300 dollars,,hahah
listen up. the city did violate our civil rights. i was one of about 40 cops who received that letter. they stuck a fuckin neddle in my arm and drew blood. Give me a fuckin break
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