Daley Idiocy
- Chicago is fighting tooth and nail to keep its 1982 handgun freeze, in part to protect first-responders, even as suburbs such as Wilmette and Morton Grove are throwing in the towel, Mayor Daley said today.
Because that handgun freeze has worked so very well in protecting everyone so far. "Won't someone think of the first responders?" Ok Helen Lovejoy - thanks.
- If the nation’s highest court says it’s OK to keep guns in your home for self-defense, what’s to prevent those guns from being used against police officers and firefighters who respond to a domestic quarrel or other emergency, the mayor said.
Nothing at all. Just like nothing at all is keeping all those "ILLEGAL GUNS" already in the hands of the citizenry from being turned on anyone. The criminals never obeyed the law in the first place, so how is a ban going to protect anyone in any case?
- “What does a policeman do when there’s a domestic battery [call] and they’re both armed? Do they enter the home or apartment or do they wait outside?
They do their job. We'll bet we've been to hundreds, if not thousands of domestics where there were guns other than the ones we and out partners brought along in that very house. But we acted professionally, kept people where we could see them, didn't let them move from room to room until we were sure the situation was under control.
- How ‘bout the neighbors? How ‘bout the postman — all the other issues that go with people coming into your home or close to your home?
You encourage responsible gun ownership...you know, like they do in 48 other states where people are allowed to own handguns. We don't see those areas suffering anything near the Chicago homicide rate. We wonder why that is?
- Whose responsibility is it when your son takes the gun outside and police come by?” Daley told reporters at a senior citizen development in Roseland.
Um, that'd be (A) the responsibility of the gun owner to keep the gun safe, secured and locked up from someone who shouldn't have it and (B) the asshole who took the gun outside. And if they point it at police, they should be killed out of hand.
The mayor’s laundry list of questions does not stop at the safety of first-responders. He wants to know just how far the Supreme Court is prepared to go to protect the 2nd Amendment.
“It’s just not allowing people to arm themselves. How many guns do you have — 50, 60? Can they have a .357 Magnum? Can they have ammunition that will go through a wall? What is the liability of the owners? … Do you have to have insurance if you have a gun? How much ammunition can you have if there’s a fire? If a fireman is going to your home and you have 40 weapons and 1,000 rounds, do we have a responsibility to notify all the neighbors?” Daley said.
Only a thousand rounds? Geez, why so few? Just more intrusive BS from the Chicago Machine. Hey Daley? Μολὼν λαβέ
UPDATE: We're almost too embarrassed to admit this, but we confused Maude Flanders with Helen Lovejoy. Post corrected.
UPDATE: We're almost too embarrassed to admit this, but we confused Maude Flanders with Helen Lovejoy. Post corrected.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 1:13 AM
96 Comments:
Just hope that Ruth Bader Ginsburg bites the big one before the President leaves office,we need another conservative on the Supreme Court.
Will someone please stop that crazy f/2 merit sgt in 024? Thanks!
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the king will find away to fite the law at our expense, the tax payer will be screwed again
how much will the city pay out to try to save its handgun prohibition. in the mean time the city has 85 million for michael reese complex and has bought up half the city of bensenville. also 2 billion from sale of skyway. but DALEY is still crying poor mouth. still no contract for the police. 1 percent raise does not even cover gas increase we all are absorbing or all the other things that are going up. time to pay up you little mic.
I just don't agree with letting the citizens of Chicago own guns.. They are just too stupid.
Off topic:
Zero tolerance for all CTA employees. Their union, Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU) Local 308, apparently signed a petition [see link below] to free convicted cop-killer Wesley Cook (a.k.a. Mumia Abu-Jamal).
CTA needs an assist?
F_ck 'em, I'm down on a traffic stop
Off duty CTA DOPW?
Goes to jail
http://www.partisandefense.org/campaigns/signers.html
http://www.atu308.org/site/epage/13473_421.htm
The Ghetto Lottery Continues:
LOGAN SQUARE:
Dog killed, officer sued
A Northwest Side woman filed a battery suit against a Chicago Police officer and the City of Chicago after the officer allegedly busted into her Logan Square home with a gun drawn and fatally shot the family dog in front of her daughter. Fabiola Robles filed the suit Friday in Cook County Circuit Court. The suit claims that on Dec. 12, 2007, the officer forcefully entered a closed door at Fabiola Robles' home with his weapon drawn and discharged his gun inside a darkened stairway, fatally striking the family's pet boxer, Rocky, twice in the neck, the suit said. The five-count suit seeks more than $50,000 in damages.
Guaranteed that the little shit was reading off of a palm card.
No way he could have remembered all this shit, even with having spouted it all, repeatedly, over the span of his illustrious career.
I wonder how much No-Doze his personal BG's take, before one of these press propaganda sessions?
for those of you that don't speak/ read Greek....
Μολὼν λαβέ literally translates to "come and get it"
was reportedly the defiant response of King Leonidas I of Sparta to Xerxes I of Persia at the onset of the Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC). Xerxes, whose forces vastly outnumbered the Spartans and their allies, offered to spare the lives of Leonidas and his few thousand warriors if they would only surrender and lay down their weapons.
Instead, the Spartans held Thermopylae for three days and, although they were ultimately annihilated, they inflicted serious damage upon the Persian army, and most importantly delayed its progress to Athens, providing sufficient time for the city's evacuation to Salamis Island. Though a clear defeat, Thermopylae served as a moral victory and inspired the troops at the Battle of Salamis and the Battle of Plataea, where the non-medizing Greeks won their freedom and arguably saved the Western World.
(borrowed from wikipedia)
A tube sock with a roll of quarters in it can kill you just as fast.
Randy Pausch R.I.P.
Aside from being irrational, Daley's hubris knows no bounds. I believe that his onset of dementia occurred several years ago and has become progressively worse. Sound minds cannot reason with him.
At a waste of millions of taxpayer dollars, he has ordered his law department (the office of the Corporation Counsel) to appeal D.C. v. Heller in search of frivolous grounds to overturn the Law if the Land. He will drain public coffers until the Supreme Court denies certiorari. After all, in his arrogance, this stubborn, sanctimonious prick actually believes it's either his way or the highway, the Supremes notwithstanding.
Should Obama win in November, God forbid, and a vacancy occurs in the Supreme Court, Daley believes he can reverse the 5-4 decision of the nation's highest court.
Then, using the last refuge of scoundrels, he attempts to speak for first responders--just another variation of his "It's all for the children" bullshit.
Obviously, arming defenseless, qualified, sane, decent, law-abiding citizens would win in a landslide vote among street-wise police officers.
Justifiable homicides of home-invading savages would provide a superb deterrent to violent crime against innocent citizens by gangbanging strangers.
Then this stubborn megalomaniac should look at his "sanctuary city" stupidity in light of the illegal immigrant ex-con who slaughtered three members of the Bologna family in the "road rage" incident in the Excelsior District of San Francisco.
If any city, county and state cries out for political reforms to include term limits and a voter recall referendum mechanism, it's Chicago, Cook County, Illinois.
The Chicago-based Democratic Machine is a totalitarian regime led by Emperor Daley.
Just playing devil's advocate here, so:
"Because that handgun freeze has worked so very well in protecting everyone so far. "Won't someone think of the first responders?" Ok Maude Flanders - thanks."
I can't see how Daley makes money off of not allowing people to have handguns in their homes, or how it benefits his friends to not let people have handguns in their homes, so maybe the exuse offered shows some mild consideration for the police, why bash that?
"what’s to prevent those guns from being used against police officers and firefighters who respond to a domestic quarrel or other emergency, the mayor said.
Nothing at all. Just like nothing at all is keeping all those "ILLEGAL GUNS" already in the hands of the citizenry from being turned on anyone."
While the SCC response is valid, as I interpret it to mean that the criminal assholes already have guns, it is a fact that if allowed, there would be more guns in the city and as a result there would be a higher degree of likelyhood that we as police would be responding to calls where there is an increased chance of a handgun being in the home. I, for one, would rather have LESS chances of there being a handgun in the home of pissed off individuals that I have to respond to. It's great when people are happy, but when they fuck up enough to make someone call the police, I don't expect cool heads to prevail and keep some "nice" guy from making a stupid decision.
"How ‘bout the neighbors? How ‘bout the postman — all the other issues that go with people coming into your home or close to your home?
You encourage responsible gun ownership...you know, like they do in 48 other states where people are allowed to own handguns."
You can't enforce "encouragement". There is no reprocussion from not following "encouragement" as there is with a violation of the law.
"Whose responsibility is it when your son takes the gun outside and police come by?” Daley told reporters at a senior citizen development in Roseland.
Um, that'd be (A) the responsibility of the gun owner to keep the gun safe, secured and locked up from someone who shouldn't have it and (B) the asshole who took the gun outside. And if they point it at police, they should be killed out of hand."
Sounds great, but again, SCC is preaching from the gun safety pulpit of the NRA to a population of citizens in CHICAGO. With that statement, you credit each and every one of those citizens with being a responsible adult who will faithfully secure and protect their weapons. If they for some reason are not, oh well someone gets killed. That's the punishment they get for not securing their weapons. And you believe that's a just and humane solution rather than enact a law to hopes to prevent that law abiding citizen's child or neighbor from having to be killed? C'mon.
It's great SCC takes a side. But for a moment attempt to view the before, middle and ending of the entire scenario from a neutral point of view as a human being who was designed to have some measure of compassion for the human race.
The NRA offers this: Let people have guns, less crime will occur. Teach people to be responsible gun owners and you'll have no ancillary problems from people having guns. Period.
Daley alleges this: DON'T let any more people have guns in this city than those that can't be controlled, and we don't have to pay to teach people who may or may not listen. DON'T allow normally decent intelligent folk to have handguns in hopes of preventing a situation where his police department gets to kill someone under cover of law. DON'T allow more citizens to have guns, thereby increasing any chances of a bad situation occurring when first responders arrive which could possibly hurt them. and DON'T allow more citizens to have guns in this city due to the fact that it will at various points in our future cost the taxpayers MORE money in lawsuits being filed against the department, frivolous or not, stemming from more guns being allowed inside people's homes regardless of whether the city can blame it on the supreme court.
In the end, Daley isn't making cash, gaining MORE political favor or enriching his friends from banning handguns in the city. So basically, the NRA can only use the last excuse of "he just wants to controll this shit" because they have no other rational excuse to use. They completely disregard any points he spews to the media about trying to protect anyone or prevent a single needless death or accident due to more guns being in the city. And at the same time, the NRA attempts to make the populous believe that everyone can be trained and trusted to control their guns and all will be fine, if not, kill them and the law covers you.
Who do you think has an agenda of money and power with the issue, the NRA who lobbies congress for power, which turns into money back towards them for their support, or Daley who doesn't need a dime to tell the media he doesn't want to repeal the ordinance? And before anyone makes the case that he's just trying to enrich his lawyer friends by fighting a long case, think for a second who it is that's making those laywer friends rich, Daley or the NRA who files the suits against him, thereby causing the money to flow into his friends hands?
I feel so sorry for the people of Chicago having to be led by the MORANIC Mayor that you people have elected . It's time for a change . Get that MF'r out of office . He has lost it big time . Maybe if your lucky this little prick will have the big one soon.
SCC - Thanks for the great job you do in highlighting common sense thinking on the firearms issue.
Be safe and keep up the good work.
Screw Daley and his gun grabbing bullshit. Can't he just go away already? He's stolen enough over the years to retire to Michigan.
Daley is a MoFo. keep spending tax dollars to support your stupid defense of the handgun ban. Daley, look only ten miles past your borders and see there is no Wild West. When oh when is the big grabber going to get this guy?
Just classic babbling by an incompetent Fool...ebbiebobbie,ebbiebobbie, ebbiebobbbie
Hubris is arrogance, an outsized sense of self-importance. Nothing will sink a leader faster than hubris, that unsaid feeling of "I know best".
What is the status of the proposed Cook County gun ban? Anybody know?
As to Daley ordering the Corp Counsel to fight for the ban--let us not forget, this is the guy who took 3 times to pass the bar, it must have been the Constitutional law section he had trouble with.
An armed society is a polite society. You don't see huge random acts of violence in states and cities that have concealed carry.
The mayor’s laundry list of questions does not stop at the safety of first-responders. He wants to know just how far the Supreme Court is prepared to go to protect the 2nd Amendment.
..he's going to find out, isn't he?
Oh boy, that ban seems to be workin real well---Four shot in 009 in about 30 seconds last night, one met his maker!
I work with offenders, not the police, but in a related field and I have been asking some of the shitheads about the repeal of the gun ban. Believe it or not, they are all aware of it and have discussed it with other criminal shitheads. Just yesterday, I asked a guy what are you going do when ordinary citizens are allowed to own guns? Answer: "People gonna start defending themselves, gonna start thinking twice about who you fuck wit and crime gonna go down."
This, from a moron from Englewood with a sixth grade education and a long list of felony convictions.
Off topic swat sergeant with history of physical abuse was dumped from swat and cr obtained. The fop is so weak that now the boss's feel they can punch and kick us.
I'm not a cop but I do enjoy reading your perspective on this city. Initially, I was disappointed and scared about the Supreme Court's decision. But now after my neighborhood has had not one but TWO shoot-outs on residential streets in the middle of the afternoon, I think that the gun ban does more to make people like me feel safe rather than really doing anything. I mean, exactly where did these thugs get their guns if there was a gun ban? Yep. The same way criminals have always gotten guns.
Railing against the judgment and doing these gun turn-ins gives Daley good PR but doesn't really solve anything. I need a mayor who is really interested in protecting me from the bad element. That means considering a lot of viewpoints and new approaches. That being said it is scarying me that most of the new ideas are "robocop" visions. I suppose there are lots of reasons why a human police force would be faulty and much of it leads straight to corruption that was started in his circles. This city has some big problems but it was created by people and will have to be solved by people.
OT: 10-1 in 007 on 3rd watch due to two yuppie liberals marching down 56/winchester and telling people over a bullhorn to f$#k the police and kill the police. naturally the fine citizens responded by pouring out of their homes, surrounding the officers onscene and throwing bottles. one guy northside white liberal. guy 2 was white liberal from arizona. lawyers in 007 before officers arrived with the idiots (geez, was this premeditated?). liberal 1 claims he did nothing and was beat on for no reason. just hanging out. fake pastor sitting with the two lawyers. commander tells pastor that if u call for death and violence to the police, gloves come off. good to hear. when i left, lawyers bitching that they haven't seen their clients yet. of course whole thing videotaped. city will prob pay this idiot. commander and mcnulty going for felonies. hope these idiots spend some good time in county. be careful out there. i'm sure these idiots will be hitting 005, 010, 011 etc soon looking for their next paycheck. stay safe
i know 004 & 009 had killings last night for friday, anybody else have any other news?
Tell this to Officer Mullen.
Im a Conservative..
But I just dont see how the guns that will be stolen from gunowners homes and end up on the streets is going to help us.
But Daley has his own party to blame...
The radical activist left wing Supreme courts paved the way for activist judging when they made the Roe VS. Wade decision.
"POWER CORRUPTS. ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY."
Time to step down, Mr. Mayor. You've lost it.
I am a gun enthusiast (56yo). My dad bought me a remington .22 with the nylon stock when I was 12 yo and enjoyed plinking in the back yard of our Chicago home. I was taught to respect firearms and to use them responsibley.
I have carried a handgun since I was 14. I am know KMA in one of the best police Departments in the nation. I support handgun ownership and the "concealed carry" by responsible citizens.
OT,
But does anyone know what the hell happened on 3rd watch in 007 on 25Jul 08? Some riot or big ass fight. All started by some caucasion dude i hear.
Anyone know?
how many body guards are we allowed to have. Do alder persons have warning signs in front of their residence,"guarded by Smith and Wesson". and body guards in some cases.
Do the police check every gun that is turned in for history and registration. Are there stats on guns used in crime?
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19?
Thanks
"what are we going to do if the Policemen wont be more aggressive?"
"what if the Olympics dont come to town? who going to be held responsible? not me."
and what about those aldermen who wheel and deal?
and the fact i look like i was sleeping in front of 2715 w harrison all night..
300 plus a year what was I thinking..FOR A FED??
I wonder if my cameo was in batman?
FAUX GRAS..I WANT SOME YUMMY
..When A subject has all these thoughts going through his head all at the sametime he loses the ability for rational thought. S.FREUD
LIFM
The king is banking on Bam Bam Obama to make it in office and then strectching this thing out till he appoints super liberal scum to the supreme court. Obama , the messiah will get several appointees if elected. Scary. Very scary.
They can still control or ban Assault style weapons. Which upon the democrats taking office in the new year will do. Bravo!
Whether it's guns, the Children's Museum in Grant Park, "sanctuary city", ad infinitum, notice that Daley's illogical rebuttals are nothing more than non sequiturs and the use of reductum ad absurdum.
Local media is complicit in refusing to sustain any attack on this egomaniac whose whims affect the lives of thousands of people.
A hundred years ago, many of these Dems would be hanging from trees.
If Daley and his ilk are not indicted, refuse to resign, die in accidents or by natural causes, what legal recourse do we have left?
7/26/2008 05:06:00 AM
Good God Almighty you bloated windbag! What - were you sitting in Starbucks all night with all your whiny little law students thinking up this drivel?
Moron- here's how it goes, and it has nothing to do with the NRA:
1) Disarm the public and create a generation of helpless lambs (like you) who look to government to "protect" them.
2) Create a cradle-to-grave welfare system dependent on the largesse of government.
-and-
3) You will have to stand for election every four years but you will win every time and become, by proxy, a king who wields enormous power over the media and the public.
We are collectively going to have to protect our homesteads in the event Obama wins the presidency. Otherwise "pack up the plantation", we are going to have to move and move quick. Montana is nice, Wyoming, or perhaps South Dakota.
Chalkie says " Chicago now ranks as the 6th most expensive city to live in the US "
There's a lot of questions to be asked. I don't look at this lightly [and say], 'Oh, because the Supreme Court [overturned Washington's handgun ban], we're just gonna dismiss it and, all the sudden, people can arm themselves.'"
You go Major Mumbles,it's only the supreme court.
Can someone call the midget and tell him who the supreme is and what they do?
Chalkie says " NO MONEY...NO WORKIE "
Anonymous said...
A tube sock with a roll of quarters in it can kill you just as fast.
7/26/2008 04:46:00 AM
I can always tell who the Rich North Siders are -
put your laundry quarters away boy-o.
Loose pennies in the old socks you bought on Maxwell street. Actually, double them up so the holes in the old socks don't line up and you lose any pennies.
Free advice from a Kensington Avenue graduate.
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19
b/c its a goofy district. area 3 is its own breed of soft served policeman
OT; sort of:
Weapons turn in event. Hundreds of middle aged and senior citizens waiting for hours to turn in weapons for $100 gift cards (probably to pay for medicine or gas). No pookie or ray-ray in sight. Several of the older people left prior to turning in weapons due to the long waiting period. I wonder how many agg batts and murders we'll have tonight. It should be a quiet night right, all of the guns have been turned in by all of the real criminals. I just gotta give it to king mumbles shortshank and his band of 50 thieves they really know how to fight crime!
I NOTICED IN THE PAPER THAT ALL THE CHURCHES OPEN FOR GUN TURN IN ARE IN SO CALLED "MINORITY" NEIGHBORHOODS.....SO WHAT AM I AS A WHITE GUY SUPPOSED TO DO WITH MY EXTRA'S? I NEED IT TO GET IN/OUT OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS...THATS PLAIN RACIST..
Chicago has maintained a long standing gun ban and in spite of that too many Chicagoians have been killed by gunfire.
But what has put this City and State in a more broad death spiral is Daley, Stroger, Jones, Blago, Madigan, etc, and the graft and cronyism there political methods cultivate.
We need a ban on Illinois democrats an the RINO'S.
Ok, first Greek, now Latin. You're losin' me man, you're losin' me!
I'm still trying to figure out why Daley vehemently speaks out against guns, yet he gave his stamp of approval to a gun registration amnesty. Oh that's right Ald. Dick Mel was involved with his expired registrations, so that made it ok. One minute he's for it and the next he's against it? Which one is it?
From the CTA union president's message page:
Arbitrator Benn issued an award in June of 2007. Here is a brief summary of that award.
Wages
July 1 2007 3 % wage increase
January 1 2008 3% wage increase
January 1 2009 3% wage increase
January 1 2010 3 ½% wage increase
January 1 2011 3 ½ %wage increase
Moron- here's how it goes, and it has nothing to do with the NRA:
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I agree. Although I know many head-on-straight members I have ZERO use for the paranoid kneee-jerk assclowns that have hijacked much of the national stuff.
A free, responsible population having access to self protection is of itself reasonable and obviously constitutionally sound.
NO, I do not agree with some of the gun guys who feel packing a rod anywhere and everywhere is the solution in and of itself. YES, there can be responsible requirements like training and requirements to secure the weapon.
Will the street scum get access to weapons by talking them from homes? Occasionally. But the same is true about knives, baseball bats and rat poison.
And I also can do this math: gun + point at police = shot/dead pointer
People know that, so Daley's sudden concern for first responders is just political posturing. Or: the postman comes to your door so, since you now legally have a weapon you shoot him? Yikes. I'm tired of getting bills in the mail, but that's over reacting a bit.
Daley Idiocy = Oxymoron
Whose responsibility is it when your son takes the gun outside and police come by?” Daley told reporters at a senior citizen development in Roseland.
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Sounds like a theft....lock him up
Daleys should give up his ARMED body guards if he is soooooo anti-gun! Hypocrite.
At least, maybe people will understand how dangerous a police officers job reall is. What is the price for your life? Obviously, like the article says, the guns are out there regardless. Therefore, as bad as they think things can get for the police due to gun laws do not apply. Things are bad now and will get better with: 1)30 more cops per district
2)Contract that keeps up with inflation.
3)Top off 25 years at 80%.
4)less liability for doing there job correctly!
If Daley and his ilk are not indicted, refuse to resign, die in accidents or by natural causes, what legal recourse do we have left?
7/26/2008 10:22:00 AM
You tell us, Yoda, you're the lawyer...
7/26/2008 10:28:00 AM
Nice reply. Basically you prove my point, since it seems your about to have a stroke because someone doesn't agree with you. That, in and of itself, could be considered some form of mental instability itself. Get that checked out if you ever expect to enjoy old age, unless you intend to die in the middle of a rant at your monitor all alone. You're exactly the kind of guy I want to have guns in his home when he gets into a fight with his neighbor after a few beers. Then I get the pleasure of having to deal with you. Like we all need the added stress of "will I get shot approaching the house by a drunken gun fanatic who no one wants to listen to".
And also, maybe get a higher education as it shows you've had little exposure to higher learning and conceptual thinking that comes with the third and fourth year of college and beyond.
You prove you have no ability to reason objectively, but rather whine from your own soapbox with the same "fuck you if you can't handle guns, pussy!" attitude.
I've been on the job for 14 years dipshit, and I'm guessing I'm also older than you, which means I've had more time on this planet to observe people and how they function. Any evidence you could possibly offer that having the ability to retain a handgun ONLY IN YOUR OWN HOME AND NOT ABOUT YOUR PERSON reduces crime likely has a study source of either the NRA itself of some institution funded indirectly by the NRA. No one does anything for free.
Get this stat from ICLEAR if you can, EXACTLY how many agg batts & homicides with a firearm occurred INSIDE the victim's home for the last year. That is the ONLY figure that could legally decline as a result of Chicagoans being allowed to keep a handgun IN THEIR HOMES ONLY.
Now from that stat, if you were able to obtain it, try and post an INTELLIGENT guess as to how many of that extremely small number could have changed if the homeowner had the legal right to keep a handgun INSIDE THE HOME only.
And for some reason, all you gun freaks love to just blow past the fact that you CAN have licensed shotguns and rifles inside the home any time you want.
What - shotgun not good enough to kill an asshole who's already broken into your home, or will you use the weak argument that a shotgun isn't as easy to get hold of quickly or wield as is a handgun?
Either way, none of you have any ground to stand on that can't be "shot" to shit with the current gun laws in Chicago or with the real statistics that have any relavance whatsoever in connection with the right to keep a handgun IN YOUR HOME ONLY by an individual who was legally allowed to obtain it.
And the reason for the caps should be obvious, never will a single civilian be granted the right to carry or conceal a handgun about their person on the streets of Chicago, which is where 99.9% of all your violence occurs.
You lose from any standpoint you take, and standing on "it's my right" as extrapolated from ancient laws ain't strong enough to a lite breeze.
And one more thing I haven't seen addressed, supposing Joe Blow has no convictions and is a fine upstanding citizen of the City and gets a handgun, registers it in Chicago and keeps it in his house. What if Joe Blow has a son named Pookie the shithead living with him that has an outstanding warrant for Agg Batt, or has 2 dope convictions against him. I guess Pookie now has the right to use that handgun too. Pookie the shitter has the right to use a handgun, or any gun for that matter, that he otherwise would never EVER legally be allowed to handle due to his history, just because someone who lives in the house doesn't have a record and can actually buy a gun.
Ever met a nice guy on a domestic who had a son or daughter that was a shithead? Hmmm? Give that guy a handgun and anyone in the house gets access to it whether they're a criminal or not.
There ain't a scenario that exists where it's unreasonable to state that more bad could come from it then good.
"If Daley and his ilk are not indicted, refuse to resign, die in accidents or by natural causes, what legal recourse do we have left?
7/26/2008 10:22:00 AM"
Only the electorate, which, if history runs true to form, equals jack shit.
1) Disarm the public and create a generation of helpless lambs (like you) who look to government to "protect" them.
forgot to address this one directly.
That's part of what you pay taxes for. And if you in fact are even the police, you owe your job to that fact.
Using your blanket analagy, once Chicagoans are allowed to keep a handgun in their homes we can get rid of exactly that many cops off the street, since those who register have their own protection now.
Too simple for logic.
And as mentioned in the prior post, I certainly don't need the likes of you to protect me or my family, I got my guns. Because it's merely my 8 hours out of a 24 hour day method of paying bills, not the lifestyle it appears to be for you.
3) You will have to stand for election every four years but you will win every time and become, by proxy, a king who wields enormous power over the media and the public.
somewhat of a thought fragment there, but pretty good. I'll give you that one.
From the mind of the ignorant:
"7/26/2008 05:06:00 AM" says:
"It's great SCC take
s a side. But for a moment attempt to view the before, middle and ending of the entire scenario from a neutral point of view as a human being who was designed to have some measure of compassion for the human race."
Move your sorry ass to the west or south side ghetto, housing is dirt cheap there, along with those human being lives you're so passionate about, then, after living there for a full year, if you last that long, come back and tell us all about your compassion.
"Daley alleges this: DON'T let any more people have guns in this city than those that can't be controlled, and we don't have to pay to teach people who may or may not listen. DON'T allow normally decent intelligent folk to have handguns in hopes of preventing a situation where his police department gets to kill someone under cover of law. DON'T allow more citizens to have guns, thereby increasing any chances of a bad situation occurring when first responders arrive which could possibly hurt them. and DON'T allow more citizens to have guns in this city due to the fact that it will at various points in our future cost the taxpayers MORE money in lawsuits being filed against the department, frivolous or not, stemming from more guns being allowed inside people's homes regardless of whether the city can blame it on the supreme court."
Condensed version of the above:
Daley doesn't give a fuck about anyone but Daley and company, regardless of what mealy mouthed bullshit comes out of his pie hole.
If citizens have the means to protect themselves, that would mean that citizens don't need Daley's brand of 'government' to do so, hence, Daley, and his ilk, become irrelevant and unnecessary.
Plus, what makes you think Daley and his crew aren't profiting from the violence in the two major ghettos of this city? Who do you think has been, is, and will continue to, amass properties, at bargain basement prices, throughout these blighted areas?
Have you ever heard of TAX AUCTIONS?
How about FORECLOSURE AUCTIONS?
And the ever popular 'I gots to gets da hell outa dis naybahood, 'cause deys be shootin' alls da times!!!'.
"In the end, Daley isn't making cash, gaining MORE political favor or enriching his friends from banning handguns in the city."
Sure he is.
There are many idiots, such as yourself, who, having lived their entire lives safely ensconced in either a safe neighborhood of this city or in a safe suburb, haven't a clue as to how unsafe a living environment can be, so unsafe, in fact, that the only difference between living and being murdered is possessing the means to resist being murdered with equal or greater deadly force than the person seeking to take your life.
Those idiots heartily support the Daley's of this world, content to believe that, for the meager sums they pay in taxes, they deserve to be protected, from the perils of the real world, from cradle to grave. As if any amount of money can buy your safety. And, as if just believing something makes it so. You've been watching too much Sesame Street, TeleTubbies and Barney.
And the other type of idiots, those living amidst the perils previously mentioned, having no brains and no balls, look to the Daley's and their ilk to 'save them', from their neighbors and family members, and, of course, from the big, bad, poleeces.
"And before anyone makes the case that he's just trying to enrich his lawyer friends by fighting a long case, think for a second who it is that's making those laywer friends rich, Daley or the NRA who files the suits against him, thereby causing the money to flow into his friends hands?"
With this kind of use of 'logic', it's no wonder you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
You may not trust yourself to keep and bear arms, and, after reading your convoluted nonsense, I don't trust you either, but, unlike your ignorantly self-satisfied self, I won't deny you the right to exercise your Right to Defend yourself, said right being the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, should you choose to do so.
Next time you find yourself faced with a peril greater than stubbing your toe or getting a flat tire, deal with it yourself.
Anonymous @ 7/26/2008 05:06:00 AM said:
Just playing devil's advocate here...
so maybe the exuse offered shows some mild consideration for the police, why bash that?
and:
Sounds great, but again, SCC is preaching from the gun safety pulpit of the NRA to a population of citizens in CHICAGO.
Hey Mr. DimBulb,
How about the reason being that:
THE BAN IS ILLEGAL!
Can you comprehend what that means?
Even though you as a cop have to interact with the dregs of society, there are some good, law abiding people in Chicago that deserve to be able to protect themselves.
Despite you "feeling" that "it is a fact that if allowed, there would be more guns in the city", I hate to break it to you but your "feelings" don't mean shit. What matters is those God given rights we have vs those that would deny them. (that pesky Constitution again!)
If you think an illegal gun law is a good thing, you really missed your true calling in Germany in the '30s. You would have fit right in with the SturmAbteilung.
Daley the Snapper-Head is going to waste even more Taxpayers money trying to fight against a U.S. Supreme Court Ruling. This is the equivalent to pissing into a fan. Drop a phone call to City Hall, or write to protest this waste of tax dollars. And above all, TONY PERAICA FOR STATES ATTORNEY, CROOK COUNTY NEEDS CHANGE !!!
it looks like someone stole my eight grade paper on gun control!
THE MEDIA CRACKS ME UP WHAT KINDA OF ANGLE DO THEY HAVE!
HOW About U REPORT THAT DALEY HAS "ARMED" GAURDS ALL DAY AND NIGHT.
IF GUNS R BAD WHY DONT THE ALDERMAN GET RID OF THE RULE THEY CAN CARRY A PIECE.
WHY DOES BURKE HAVE ARMED POLICE OFFICER 4 SUM OLD ASS THREAT! HE DOESNT FEEL SAFE IN THE CITY! WHATS TO FEAR THE POLICE CAN BE EVERY WEAR. PLUS THE POD CAMERAS CAN SPOT A DEAD BODY IN A STREET IN A MATTER OF MINUTES.
CITY HALL HAS ARMED GUARDS PROTECTING THEIR WORK PLACE 24 HOURS A DAY. WHY DO CIVILIANS NEEDS GUN TO PROTECT THEIR WORK PLACE.
Will someone please stop that crazy f/2 merit sgt in 024? Thanks!
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Which one? I think there are 2.
Will someone in the Office of the Corporation Counsel kindly tell Dick that he's playing with his dick at the expense of the taxpayers?
Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 019?
Beats the hell out of me. 019 is fat with people and no crime. The faster Districts are stripped bare, not even close to safe. Maybe the fact that Comm. Kenny's wife is Cuello's secretary and good friend has something to do with it.
anonymous said...
for those of you that don't speak/ read Greek....
Μολὼν λαβέ literally translates to "come and get it"
was reportedly the defiant response of King Leonidas I of Sparta to Xerxes I of Persia at the onset of the Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC). Xerxes, whose forces vastly outnumbered the Spartans and their allies, offered to spare the lives of Leonidas and his few thousand warriors if they would only surrender and lay down their weapons.
Instead, the Spartans held Thermopylae for three days and, although they were ultimately annihilated, they inflicted serious damage upon the Persian army, and most importantly delayed its progress to Athens, providing sufficient time for the city's evacuation to Salamis Island. Though a clear defeat, Thermopylae served as a moral victory and inspired the troops at the Battle of Salamis and the Battle of Plataea, where the non-medizing Greeks won their freedom and arguably saved the Western World.
(borrowed from wikipedia)
7/26/2008 04:36:00 AM
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Jeez, it's all Greek to me.
anonymous said...
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19?
Thanks
7/26/2008 10:09:00 AM
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Because they are 70 officers down.
One man cars on midnights, remember?
And a 1st Watch Captain who plays sleight of hand in manning the cars and thus endangers his officers.
The company wants all cars manned, they get all cars manned. If the Captain had balls to look out for his officers he would put up all two man cars and down cars he doesn't have manpower to keep up.
Instead the Department looks good on paper and blue shirts have to take care of themselves. This Department does not and will not have your backs officers, please remember that.
Fuck You Daley !!!!!
"Pookie the shitter has the right to use a handgun, or any gun for that matter, that he otherwise would never EVER legally be allowed to handle due to his history, just because someone who lives in the house doesn't have a record and can actually buy a gun."
Sounds like someone needs to grow a pair of balls& do some housecleaning where they live. Your off the wall scenarios are asinine & ludicrous. Suppose monkeys fly out of my ass& slap you up side the head. Ponder that one for awhile Mr.Clairvoyant GOOF!
7/26/2008 02:17:00 PM
OMG. I am SO turned on right now!
What a mind you have.
Well today was a good day. I picked up 14 - $10 gift cards for a pile of BB guns i took over the last year. Also got 4 - $100 gift cards for 4 useless unusable rusty hand guns.
So Daleys useless gun turn in made me some cash
Weis picks up a 8" bbl. shotgun at the St. Sabina weapons turn in and says " Now that's not something you shoot ducks with " Really !!!
Your so smart Mr. Weis . You should have test fired it by sticking the barrel up your steroid ass and pulled the trigger or better yet stick it up Mayor Mumbles ass. You just ain't got a clue , do you .
hey daley F@#!% you.
7/26/2008 02:17:00 PM writes:
Any evidence you could possibly offer that having the ability to retain a handgun ONLY IN YOUR OWN HOME AND NOT ABOUT YOUR PERSON reduces crime likely has a study source of either the NRA...
streets of Chicago, which is where 99.9% of all your violence occurs...
You lose from any standpoint you take, and standing on "it's my right" as extrapolated from ancient laws ain't strong enough to a lite breeze.
Officer I respectfully submit you are speaking gibberish.
The facts are:
1. There are many, many independent studies completely unrelated to the NRA that evidence that the 2nd Amendment reduces crime and with Right to Carry laws crime is even reduced more in those jurisdictions.
Just Google, "2nd Amendment reduces crime." You can find zillions of articles pro and con. Bottom line, there IS the 2nd Amendment and that right is given to the "People" not "Government" and that ain't citing "ancient" law IT IS THE LAW -- always has been. It's common sense.
Locally there were two real life instances where having a gun or not made the difference in the outcome in a home invasion. I could cite many more but these two make my point. I'm not an NRA member, btw.
Instance one...download the .pdf file from link below of the detailed article, Self-Defense vs. Municipal Gun Bans by Robert Bruggen. The article is about DALE DEMAR of Willamette, Illinois, who in 2003 shot a burglar in self defense. It was the burglar's second home invasion of DEMARS's home. Given the local gun ban at the time, local officials charged DEMAR with "crime" of possessing a firearm. Charges were ultimately dropped when the liberals in Willamette got an earful from the MAJORITY about the LAW.
http://www.newcoalition.org/
Article.cfm?artId=18006
Second instance...
In May of 2002 a Southside woman, RONYALE WHITE, was shot in her kitchen by her estranged husband after the victim called 911 repeatedly. The city paid over 4 million dollars for the late response to the cal.
http://www.allsafedefense.com/
news/Outdated%20News/
911_Victim.htm
For whatever reason sadly, the cops didn't make it sooner rather then later.
That in and of itself is not the real tragedy of the story. Had the woman had a gun and was trained to use it, she would have at least had a fair chance.
2. Just because you say most crime happens outside the home doesn't give you or any other liberal cocksucker the right to tell me I don't have the right to bear arms under the 2nd Amendment.
As you dismissively point out, it is my constitutional right to have a firearm. You, Daley or any other nanny state nutsack can go fuck yourselves. If I'm so inclined, I can fly the American flag soaked in shit and/or I can own a firearm.
Anonymous said...
Daleys should give up his ARMED body guards if he is soooooo anti-gun! Hypocrite.
7/26/2008 01:50:00 PM
The funny thing on that its a city ordinance that he has a team of bodyguards. This dates back to the time of prohibition, and the way politicians were knocked off by gangsters.
But you are right, if he hates guns so bad then re write the ordinance and get rid of them.
to:
Anonymous said...
anonymous said...
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19?
Thanks
7/26/2008 10:09:00 AM
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Because they are 70 officers down.
One man cars on midnights, remember?
And a 1st Watch Captain who plays sleight of hand in manning the cars and thus endangers his officers.
The company wants all cars manned, they get all cars manned. If the Captain had balls to look out for his officers he would put up all two man cars and down cars he doesn't have manpower to keep up.
Instead the Department looks good on paper and blue shirts have to take care of themselves. This Department does not and will not have your backs officers, please remember that.
7/26/2008 05:44:00 PM
Are you kidding me, the 1st watch captain is prince, if we had more like him this would be a better place to work as a department. The reason we have so many one man cars is that he lets us use our time due with out giving us a song and dance about not having enough people to work. He'd rather keep the watch happy by gving time due, than denying it like so many others. If you work there then you are disgruntled. Our Capt is the one of the best, plain and simple. He has our backs in an old school way. And after the passing of one of our own, he was a rock, a leader for everyone to look to.
Anonymous said...
anonymous said...
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19?
Thanks
7/26/2008 10:09:00 AM
---
Because they are 70 officers down.
One man cars on midnights, remember?
And a 1st Watch Captain who plays sleight of hand in manning the cars and thus endangers his officers.
The company wants all cars manned, they get all cars manned. If the Captain had balls to look out for his officers he would put up all two man cars and down cars he doesn't have manpower to keep up.
Instead the Department looks good on paper and blue shirts have to take care of themselves. This Department does not and will not have your backs officers, please remember that.
7/26/2008 05:44:00 PM
WTF,
"If the Captain had balls to look out for his officers he would put up all two man cars and down cars he doesn't have manpower to keep up."
If you had any balls officer you would exercise your rights and demand to be placed on a two man unit instead of whining online. Tell the Captain you are scared working 99 after you saw a coworker killed working alone.
GET SOME BALLS YOURSELF,YOU COWARD!!!
Coppers today disgust me,no heart,no balls all talk.
Mr. SouthSide says---
"...the FOP is so weak, the bosses feel they can punch and kick us..."
Did you ever hear about punching and kicking back or do you live on the north side?
The Keesing Bandit says---
I like everything Greek!
Now, kees me you fool!!!
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19?
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Oh I don't know, maybe because we are short Police....Ya think. The spots will be filled and then next period there will be more districts listed. It's a circle that can't be filled until more police are hired.
I can't wait to buy every one of my family members a handgun for Christmas
I've been on the job for 14 years dipshit, and I'm guessing I'm also older than you, which means I've had more time on this planet to observe people and how they function.
7/26/2008 02:17:00 PM
Wow! What big credentials you have, Grandma! When people say shit like this on a blog, they are admitting:
1) They are NOT who they say they are, i.e., you are NOT the police.
2) They are fanatical losers who are desperate to save their sinking ship, in this case, retaining the power to strip others of their Constitutional rights.
Oh, and butt boy, don't forget to put in the talcum powder when yer done shining Daley's shoes!!!
To the fuckheads ripping on 019: We had an officer killed not to long ago. What district was he from? Oh...thats right 019. GFY
To the assholes shitting on the 1st watch captain you are a total jagoff. The captain is one of the best bosses on the department. Fucking idiots.
-019 1st watch
Anonymous said...
OT: Does anyone know why there are 6 openings in 19?
Thanks
7/26/2008 10:09:00 AM
________________
I think the Keesing Bandit has a couple openings you might be interested in too.
for those of you that don't speak/ read Greek....
Μολὼν λαβέ literally translates to "come and get it"
was reportedly the defiant response of King Leonidas I of Sparta to Xerxes I of Persia at the onset of the Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC). Xerxes, whose forces vastly outnumbered the Spartans and their allies, offered to spare the lives of Leonidas and his few thousand warriors if they would only surrender and lay down their weapons.
Instead, the Spartans held Thermopylae for three days and, although they were ultimately annihilated, they inflicted serious damage upon the Persian army, and most importantly delayed its progress to Athens, providing sufficient time for the city's evacuation to Salamis Island. Though a clear defeat, Thermopylae served as a moral victory and inspired the troops at the Battle of Salamis and the Battle of Plataea, where the non-medizing Greeks won their freedom and arguably saved the Western World.
(borrowed from wikipedia)
7/26/2008 04:36:00 AM
Where does this factor into our current problem with the killing on the west and south sides? Gun control, etc.?
Just asking.
The Keesing Bandit says---
All my openings say "Exit Only".
Now, kees me you fool!!!
http://i33.tinypic.com/f8a4i.jpg
Re: openings in 019, at least two were retirements and one opening is due to a death IN THE LINE OF DUTY, in case you forgot. If 019 is so overstaffed with so little crime while all the rest of you cry poormouth, then why do they have to run 99 cars on every watch? They're in the same boat as everybody else. Just bid in, or don't. It's a pleasant change from 002. People actually MEAN it when they wave at a police car, bizarre as it may sound. (It takes some getting used to, though.)
Re: the first watch captain - this guy is the real deal. People were scrambling to escape the other two watches the last few months, but nobody leaves midnights. It's not that the hours are so great, or the restaurants are so much better and easier to find on mids; it's because of the good bosses on the watch.
You can't have it both ways; you can't cry that the good people of 016, 020, and 022 deserve police protection, too, then say 'oh, 019 (at some 70 po's short) is overstaffed because they have lower crime than 002 or 007 or 011'. EVERY district is short; it's just a game of filling the hole in the sand at the beach. Next month, different hole.
DH, is that you sticking up for your man, the 1st watch Capt. in 019? I heard you were on your annual summer "medical" vacation. SAme time as his furlough. Go anywhere together? It sure is pleasant to come in the station when you are not around.
Reader's Digest condensed version of 7/26/2008 02:57:00 PM's million-word posting:
Hates the Daley politicos, and everyone else for that matter, with the fire of a million suns but never shies away from showing off with his uplifting© brand of all-knowing, self-righteous condescension.
"Won't someone think of the first responders?" Ok Maude Flanders - thanks.
That would be Helen Lovejoy.
"7/28/2008 09:50:00 AM"
Happy to be of service.
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