Rifles on the Street
But unfortunately, not in the hands of police. From the comments:
- Chalkie was in 011 this afternoon!
"Units in 011 and ciytwide- Man shot in the head and chest with a .223 round- lots of calls coming in-Units use caution as you are out gunned".
Another comment describes the head of the deceased as sporting a rather large hole. If we aren't mistaken, a .223 will go completely through a vest and anybody wearing it. How many coppers did we have to bury in the 80's before we got semiautomatic pistols? And even then, the Department fucked that up beyond all comprehension
ATTENTION J-Fed, Bea, Mike and Jim and every other member of the Command Staff. Get off of your collective asses and get some fucking rifles and shotguns on the street. And spare us the bullshit about passing a "power test" to carry these guns. Find and qualify people to carry these guns on the street NOW.
ATTENTION J-Fed, Bea, Mike and Jim and every other member of the Command Staff. Get off of your collective asses and get some fucking rifles and shotguns on the street. And spare us the bullshit about passing a "power test" to carry these guns. Find and qualify people to carry these guns on the street NOW.
- Not tactical guys who are detailed out of their districts more often than you admitted to the aldercreatures and the press;
- Not detectives closeted in the Areas with the guns tucked away in safes;
- Not SWAT teams miles away from any sudden outburst of rifle fire;
- Not the midnight Gang/Gun/Saturation teams or even the TRU people who work nights.
This shooting happened in broad daylight. Lord knows how many 10-99 units are working in 011 on days, but if it's anything like the rest of the City, it's a lot. And if some poor copper drives around the corner into a firefight involving rifles and all they have is a 9mm or a .45 pistol, we will make sure that every single citizen in this city knows that YOU sent them into harm's way over a bullshit physical fitness test that has ZERO to do with the ability to handle the appropriate tool for the job at hand.
And after that, we'll really start to make your life miserable.
And after that, we'll really start to make your life miserable.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
204 Comments:
SCC, you're as full of shit as any of the bosses. Who do you think created this new "power test" policy? If you're going to make someone's life miserable, fuck with the brain trusts who thought this shit up: Masters and Sgt. snake, of the Supt.s' "policy section." If you're going to blast anybody, those two should receive your first shots.
Bea's a lame duck.
Agreeded
BTY, detectives can't carry them either because there is no order directing them to do so.
SCC,
Downtown is pissed off at any mention of the Obama '08 Riots...
Face it SCC, the scared, nanny State "leaders" fear even more law suits that they'll pay out on if they properly equip us. Do you realize that every Park Ridge and Nile copper has an MP-5 in the trunk? God bless them, I hope they never have to use one, but how retarded is it that the corner-dealing free suburbs are properly armed and we get squirt guns?
Why not do like some other departments do? Upon hiring/off of probation, we are issued a take homecar, rifle shotgun radio etc.
Sign in on the computer, meet for an outdoor roll call.
Can you imagine the fist fights in the parking lot... you dinged my fender with your door!!!
Works for the ISP
I've said it before and clearly, it bears repeating:
It is a Dereliction of Duty by the Superintendent of Police to place officers in harm's way without the tools to defend themselves properly, namely: a Patrol Rifle in every squad car
The Patrol Rifle should be standard CPD Academy curriculum. Anything less is completely and utterly unacceptable
They don't care about you. You are a pawn in a game they're playing. They only care about how any attention will affect them and their careers. If it's useful to them, you'll get a rifle. If not, you're on your own.
All the bullshit meetings with you are only a sign that some kind of pressure was felt because of "de-policing" and that brings negative attention on them. They can't have that, so they try to trick you into thinking that they care.
Depending on the load, the .223 may or may not penetrate the vest. I know that most .223 hollowpoint or soft-point rounds will penetrate less than 9mm duty ammo.
Does anyone remember Dantrell Davis?
Does anyone remember PO Richard Clark?
disgusting. the AKs are flowing into chicago.
give the chicago police the firepower they need. this is getting embarrassing.
Sad to say, but it'll probably take something like the 1997 North Hollywood bank robbery for us to get rifles. Maybe not even then; weren't Sgt. Severin and Officer Rizzato killed by rifle fire at Cabrini in 1970?
Don't jump the gun here, SCC (no pun intended)...the .223 casing(s) were found just outside dude's car when it came to rest...after he was shot well over 100 feet away, stepped on the gas, crashed into a pole and perspired (that's a little Stan Nowinski for ya!) The impact caved the front end of that old Chevy in pretty good, not to mention caused severe body trauma/disfigurement to dude's probably already dead body. Long story, short: the trauma/injury to boo-boo's head may not have neccessarily come from "a rifle", rather came from blunt force trauma when he impacted the pole. Let the ME and crime lab determine the exact causes and explanations. In the meantime
don't get everyone worked up over the fact that theres rifles on the streets of the ghettos. Always have been. Sure, be cautious and vigiliant, but don't start panic-mode. I'll bet any money that that casing(s) have been on that scene from (minimum) 4th of July, maximum New Years Eve. Don't believe 90% of what the people from 011 are posting, because 90% of them half less than 3 years on and can't spell "crime scene", let alone interpret one. I work Mass trans and I was there. Consider this a first-hand account. Be safe irregardless people.
Park Ridge Police Audit to be released on Monday! Hip Hip Hooray!!!!
Does anyone know if there is a group doing M4 training now?
When are the M4's hitting the streets? I don't mean the hispanic coppers either.
Where in 011 did this happen?
Thought process of city hall on rifles:
How will the reverends respond to this? Is this a good move for us? Could this cost of votes? We might appear to be an out of control city if people see cops with rifles.
Thought process of JFed:
These local yocals don't need that kind of firepower. They're not feds. And you know, you always have to keep them asking for things.
Thought process of patrolmen:
Fuck these assholes. I'll do what I have to do in order to go home at the end of the shift.
Chalkie stopped by 007 last night.
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog(boot on ground) in grenada and iraq(the first iraq)...now im a little older(ok alot older) but still shoot every week on my rdo's but i know i cannot pass the power test, but give me a rifle up to and including one mile with a good scope and pookie will be dead..so do i really have to pass a powertest to carry a gun to be qualified.???
Fat Phil is having another fundraiser for his Chicago Police Memorial,the Area 4 Motorcycle Run today.
Damn,what kind of hog do they make that can haul that lardass around?
Contribute to the One Hundred Club and not Fat Phil's shameless robbery of dead police officers.
Amen brother.
United=stand, Divided=fall.
Keep up the paper parade officers! We are making waves!
Plain and simple....you're a gun NUT !
Rifles? Why f*ck around? How about grenades? Could you imagine giving these hair-gel idiots a rifle? Now go back to sleep SCC, your lack of street policing has reared it's ugly head.
"Chalkie" has been a resident of 011 for over 40 years.
He just visits other districts.
I would love to have a rifle in my new SUV cruiser.
13 days until "BLOOD KILLAKID" parade,I hear tact teams are being armed with a secret weapon,JOB APPLICATIONS!The sight of these can clear a corner faster than a flame thrower.
I work 99 days, if I ever turn into a firefight as described I will put my Ford in reverse just as fast as I can. In WWI Sgt York took on dozens of the enemy by himself but at least he had a good .30 caliber bolt action rifle and plenty of training. All I have is reverse gear and I intend to use it. No use getting into a firefight if you aren't able to return fire.
Anonymous said...
Will someone please give me the low down on Sgt. M.M. that came to 016 mids way of 018? She is hated already with two days on. Real man hater!
7/26/2008 07:21:00 PM
Wait...thats a WOMAN?
7/26/2008 11:18:00 PM
Ha yeah sure he is. What a bitch. Watch out for her she WILL fuck you. Hates the white male coppers!
OFF TOPIC BUT...
Im the guy that waved to beat 1423 around 10:30 friday night. You saw me and waved back...a good many of us do support the police, and are glad to see the police patrolling through the area...
I AGREE! God i love you so much SCC!
If any copper gets harmed, grazed or anything. YOU! Top brass/mayor/alderman etc expect a shit storm like you WOULD NOT BELIEVE. Nobody knows what we face other than coppers out on the street. Wait and see just how united we can be.
"You'll shoot your eye out, kid."
off topic:
009, What happened yesterday at 5400 s laflin? They had a plan in. Was it related to what happened in 007? The ticket didn't have much info on it, other than a Disturbance...I think for music.
And a 10-1 on 43/Wabash with multiple people shot. Anyone from 002 and 009 want to enlighten us?
SCC, you're as full of shit as any of the bosses. Who do you think created this new "power test" policy? If you're going to make someone's life miserable, fuck with the brain trusts who thought this shit up: Masters and Sgt. snake, of the Supt.s' "policy section." If you're going to blast anybody, those two should receive your first shots.
Who is this? Shields? Or Bea? This Department is in trouble from the TOP down. Masters and Snake might be poison, but they answer to someone higher who put them there.
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Rifles? Why f*ck around? How about grenades? Could you imagine giving these hair-gel idiots a rifle? Now go back to sleep SCC, your lack of street policing has reared it's ugly head.
You lack of being in touch with reality is rearing it's ugly head. Thee guns are out there and they are using them. We said "find and qualify people." We didn't say hand out rifles to every copper out there and pray they learn how to use it.
Do you really think you need to carry a M4 1.5 miles in under 15 minutes to get it to a shootout, then touch your toes, do 35 situps and bench press 80% of your body weight before you can bring fire to bear on target? You're a fucking idiot.
We can name 10 cops right now who'd have heart attacks if they had to even attempted to do the power test yet if the shit hit the fan, they'd embarrass 75% of the SWAT guys shooting.
Shotguns should be in every squad car. Rifles in every sector. Anything less is unacceptable.
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Plain and simple....you're a gun NUT !
And you're ignorant. Sorry we want to see cops get home safe.
To: i was on scene said...[...]
7/27/2008 02:38:00 AM
Hey MTU stud, you are missing the point. It's not the fact that dude may have died do to other injuries,
it's the fact that there were .223 rounds used in the first place.
Who said anyone is panicking? Sounds like you have your drawers in a bind.
Now go back to playing with your toy trains.
This shooting happened in broad daylight. Lord knows how many 10-99 units are working in 011 on days, but if it's anything like the rest of the City, it's a lot.
**NOBODY should be working a beat car 10-99 these days no matter what watch. In the past, it wasn't a big thing, but things have changed a lot and our policy of riding solo need to change too!
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog(boot on ground) in grenada and iraq(the first iraq)...now im a little older(ok alot older) but still shoot every week on my rdo's but i know i cannot pass the power test, but give me a rifle up to and including one mile with a good scope and pookie will be dead..so do i really have to pass a powertest to carry a gun to be qualified.???
7/27/2008 06:00:00 AM
I bet that dude stole all your stories for the book Jarhead. I always wondered why I lost chicks to guys like you. . .now I know. I wanted to be a Marine, but I was over 5'6" and they wouldn't give me a waiver.
During the gangster days of Prohibition, the Tommy gun was used by the gangsters. Law enforcement, even the relatively new FBI, armed their agents with the same so as to even the playing field in a firefight.
Fast forward to today, and we have Shortshanks who didn't want the military to carry rifles in the airport after 9-11. What a completely useless fucking idiot. This is who leads us. God help us.
Imagine an incident of terrorism that takes place in several schools at the same time (they can do that you know, Shortshanks, they took several planes at the same time.) Now where do you send SWAT? Which school? But the cops don't have rifles, so guess who's shit out of luck?
This guy should be held accountable for being so stupid and short sighted.
(OT) look at crook counties air quality rating here!http://www.stateoftheair.org/2008/states/illinois/ another F for the criminal;county!
"Downtown is pissed off at any mention of the Obama '08 Riots...
"The first instance of the specter of violence emerging was raised by Barack Obama himself in a speech to a predominantly black audience at Hampton University on June 5, 2007. In the company of his radical minister, Jeremiah Wright, Obama raised the specter of the 1992 Los Angeles riots multiple times while addressing the disconnect between America and it’s black citizens. Obama apologists, like CNN’s Roland Martin, were quick to dismiss criticism of the speech with the simple point that Obama was only pointing out the feelings among black Americans. What goes unaddressed is the painfully obvious point that conventional wisdom among blacks is that the LA riots were justified by the refusal to convict the officers who arrested Rodney King. While a far cry from Malcom X and Stokley Carmichael it was a chilling moment for those not under the Obama spell."
http://cofcc.org/?p=1190
I work a beat car.
I qualified rifle expert while I was in the Marine Corps. I'll never claim to be the best shot, but I know how to use, clean, breakdown, and hit a target 500 yards away with an M-16.
I don't really care to work any of those details or units (tru, tact, etc.), but you can put one in my car.......and in the squad cars of hundreds of other qualified officers who are content working a beat. We'll get them to where they'll need to be quicker than anyone else since we'll probably already be on scene.
Anonymous said...
When are the M4's hitting the streets? I don't mean the hispanic coppers either.
7/27/2008 03:21:00 AM
lol that was funny ...good for a quick laugh.
- M4 Copper
Nice to have the guns in the car. It won't prevent someone from getting shot by a rifle, but it's nice to have in the car.
Actually, maybe the only situation in which actually firing it will be of any value will be the guy in 011 who has a rifle AND is wearing a vest.
But the scare value is nice, to anyone who has a gun, because anyone else knows you can't use it for 99% of the time just like your pistol.
What if, though, instead of shooting the rifle at a suspect, he drops his rifle required weapon and starts running? I guess he gets away because I can't chase him with my rifle in my hands, and I certainly can't fight and take custody of the guy with my rifle in my hands.
But it may scare the casual fuckup.
It's too bad that in reality, it's nothing more than something to make some coppers feel a bit safer, even if it's only in their head.
It's too bad that having a rifle in your hands means you become a stationary retaliatory threat that cannot adapt to a changing scenario other than one where you have at least one other copper with you, and the guy you're pointing the rifle at drops his gun and can be taken into custody by someone other than you, or that most satisfying event that maybe he hesitates and you get to kill him with the rifle, hoping there's no one behind him within the kill range of the round.
The copper driving around the corner into a rifle fight, whatever, may not have the chance to prevent himself from getting shot. A rifle in the car doesn't stop a sniper round either.
Any way you look at it, a rifle in the car means nothing to deterring crime, nothing to the guy who runs from you and nothing to the sniper you never knew was there.
What it IS, is a liability in terms of taking one man in a two man car out of the fight in all ways since only a complete idiot would lay down the rifle to assist in a fight. Much like you wouldn't lay your pistol down on the ground and jump in a fight would you? Na, you HOLSTER and SECURE it prior to getting in the fight because you're not stupid enough to lay your gun down on the ground because what if the guys gets to it?
Where it WILL work though is downtown where maybe the drunken suburbanites will shit themselves on the sidewalk outside the bar when you point it at them.
The shithead in 011 will only laugh.
But it still would be nice to have in the car, although I'm not gonna handicap myself by being the one responsible for it, and I'm sure after a good long talk through various scenarios my partner will agree he'd rather have me carry a weapon and still be able to jump in without having to leave him and run back to the car to secure the rifle.
And to those who think you can fight with a rifle slung around your back, try it first before whipping out your flame cause it ain't easy. I guarantee once the fight starts you'll feel the liability of having to secure TWO weapons at the same time.
Enjoy
the trauma/injury to boo-boo's head may not have neccessarily come from "a rifle", rather came from blunt force trauma when he impacted the pole. Let the ME and crime lab determine the exact causes and explanations
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Ya right, bec the ME is not political.
Anonymous said...
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog
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With all due respect, in the eyes of the Dept, you will be THE LAST person to every toucha rifle in Chicago!
Do you really think you need to carry a M4 1.5 miles in under 15 minutes to get it to a shootout, then touch your toes, do 35 situps and bench press 80% of your body weight before you can bring fire to bear on target? You're a fucking idiot.
The command staff shoule be made to do the power test every month or forfit their precious gold stars!!!
Lead from the front!
I don't know why I find if funny that you write, "...less than 3 years on and can't spell "crime scene"..." then go on to write, "Be safe irregardless people."
LOL! I'm just sayin'.
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912
nonstandard : Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
why not increase the number of swat guys to at least 5% of the department like the 1st and 3rd city do..
Slightly off topic............I live in Beat 1422, I am not a cop, just a local resident that reads this blog site daily and I must say that it is nice to see the copper on 1422 days out there doing his job on a daily basis and trying to make the community better that I live in. I know he doesnt get much credit but the gangbangers and dealers do see him out there and tend to stay away when he is out and about. I wish more coppers in that district were the same way. I appreciate seeing the police in every part of this city. Its a shame the rest of your command staff, local reverends, polictians and mayor don't even support you guys. You guys get beat up in the media over and over again by a few select assholes. Unfortunately they never tell the stories where the copper did something good. Only at their funerals. So to the men and wome of CPD, keep up the good work guys, you are greatly appreciated I am happy you are out there.
Anonymous said...
Speaking of SWAT, the whole crew of them were leaving A4 range the other night. And get this...they were ALL wearing T-Shirts that said "Either you're SWAT or you're NOT". I'll swear on a stack of bibles that this is true. What a bunch of jackasses.
7/26/2008 08:34:00 P
Dickheads
I know that most .223 hollowpoint or soft-point rounds will penetrate less than 9mm duty ammo.
7/27/2008 01:53:00 AM
UMMMM WRONG!
Shit I'd be happy with just a shot gun in my squad.....
Downtown is pissed off at any mention of the Obama '08 Riots...
And if there isn't a Riot I want you to suck my ass. You keep putting this bull on here because your a pussy. Your Mother didn't teach you how to be a man.
Fat Phil is having another fundraiser for his Chicago Police Memorial,the Area 4 Motorcycle Run today.
Damn,what kind of hog do they make that can haul that lardass around?
Contribute to the One Hundred Club and not Fat Phil's shameless robbery of dead police officers.
I don't get it! why would you give to a fund thats not accountable, where an Ex-superintendent receives a 6 figure paycheck. The sad part isthey have no shame.
The guy doesn't believe that gun law applies to Chicago. Do you think he gives afuck if we are out gunnd in the street?
Im former CPD (012,007) I saw the light years ago and now work in one of the suburbs that border the shitty. Im my fully outtfitted police package SUV (current odometer reading 1250) I have an M4, an MP5(in .9mm) a taser,Pepperball system, and a ballistic shield). We put out 8-10 cars a watch and out of that 4/5 have the same or similar equipment.
Still waiting the to hear about the lawsuit filed against the city in the death of Officer Francis. No officer should be working 99 on third or first watch especially in the summer months. The city has some part in the officers death and should be liable.
Justice and Peace for the family of Officer Francis.
Plain and simple....you're a gun NUT !
And you're ignorant. Sorry we want to see cops get home safe.
SCC sorry to disagree withon this one, he's not ignorant he's a victim to be. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
And by the way, the correct term is gun "enthusiast", dick lips.
ALL I Need IS MY AK AND COOTER,AND A WHOLE LOT OF COOTER..
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog(boot on ground) in grenada and iraq(the first iraq)...now im a little older(ok alot older) but still shoot every week on my rdo's but i know i cannot pass the power test, but give me a rifle up to and including one mile with a good scope and pookie will be dead..so do i really have to pass a powertest to carry a gun to be qualified.???
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I'm sure there are more officers on this job with your qualifications. I agree that having to take the power test is an asinine idea. Hopefully that will change and the powers that be, let officers that have been in the military carry rifles without taking the power test. Then again this is CPD.
There are a lot of shitheads out there trying to give you the "stink eye", so watch out.
Im the guy that waved to beat 1423 around 10:30 friday night. You saw me and waved back...a good many of us do support the police, and are glad to see the police patrolling through the area...
Well why don't you tell Bt. 1414 to clean up the 2500 block of Milwaukee! The Mexican bar and transient hotel is a big open air drug market! Stop anyone on that block and you'll have a nice PCS pinch.
My Lord ! 016 with another bad female sgt on midnights? I really feel sorry for you people there. First you have F.V. and sgt Mary Im afraid of my own shadow. Now M.M. bail out why you still can. All three should never even be the police never mind supervisors!
The chances of a cop actually needing a rifle are really slim, but the chances of some nitwit being stupid with one is pretty high. I suspect that is what is driving these decisions.
It might only take one incident of dumb for them to be taken away. That would make you look even worse.
"Chalkie" has been a resident of 011 for over 40 years.
He just visits other districts."
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But Chalkie is white, wait maybe he's black. Obama is both white and black also. Oh my God! OBAMA IS CHALKIE!
Sorry guys, but you roll around a corner into a fire fight with Ak-47's or anything like that, you're STUPID to get out of the car and engage the enemy. Your rifle will be securly locked in your trunk, without a round chambered. IF your really good and practice, I'd say it will take you 15 to 20 seconds UNDER STRESS to slame the car in park, hit the button to disarm the lock, get out, run to the rear of the vehicle, open trunk, open lock, grab rifle, sling it up, and chamber a round. All the while, what is YOUR PARTNER going to do? Remember the policy is only ONE rifle per car. Is department won't give you a TASER, so why the hell do the trust you with a rifle? Marine Officers Master's and Hamilton think they are sexy, and will make you all happy. Sorry for the lon winded rant. I can't wait for Bud Billikan!
SCC,
Downtown is pissed off at any mention of the Obama '08 Riots...
7/27/2008 01:10:00 AM
What riots? Did I miss something?
Is this the same type riots and down fall of Chicago when Harold Washington got elected...I remember hearing itty bitty minded people running to and fro, claiming that the sky was falling...
Anonymous said...
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog(boot on ground) in grenada and iraq(the first iraq)...now im a little older(ok alot older) but still shoot every week on my rdo's but i know i cannot pass the power test, but give me a rifle up to and including one mile with a good scope and pookie will be dead..so do i really have to pass a powertest to carry a gun to be qualified.???
7/27/2008 06:00:00 AM
Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps....
Remember Sgt. M. Yetsin (spelling?) in 10? He was driving his squad car in in the area of 20th and rockwell. He was ambushed by a peice of shit king shooting a a rifle from the roof top of an apt. building. The round smashed thru his left forearm and f***ed him really bad. Parts of the round also hit his left thigh. The Sgt. had to retire due to disability. (loss use of his left hand). I not saying that if the sgt had a rifle with him that day this wouldn't have happened; I'm saying if everyone out there knew we were armed with these types of weapons, we wouldn't be seen as sitting ducks.
Screw "political correctness". ARM THE POLICE!!! Society is not what is was 10 to 15 yrs ago. It's worse.
7/27/2008 02:26:00 AM
AK doesn't fire a .223 round.
this is from my I phone. This thing is cool
CHALKIE'S ROLLIN......
there are no classes, no classes scheduled, and no general order out yet, it was all for show for the olympic committe
We had rifles in the cars for years. Why did Jfed take them out?
BLOOD-KILL-AGAIN DAY is coming soon, be safe, all assigned there.
Rifles should be issued to senior men on patrol cars, D-Units, etc; the officer should have 10 yrs. experience, nobody under 10 yrs. issued one unless a U.S. Military Veteran. College boys, carry your Laptops.
Bea's a lame duck.
7/27/2008 12:49:00 AM
Aunt Bea is in the protected class..if anything she gets a promotion to move her dumb ass out of the way
"I would love to have a rifle in my new SUV cruiser."
7/27/2008 07:17:00 AM
Who the hell says "cruiser" in Chicago? You've got to be some pimple faced kid in your parents basement. Keep dreaming son.
I'd like to see rifles and shotguns in every CPD squad, but I'd be satisfied with just a shotgun. There's nothing that'll wake up a thug faster than the sound of a round being jacked in the chamber.
Hey, how about recording that sound and playing it over the loudspeaker whenever approaching a group hanging out on the corner. They'll scatter like roaches when the light's turned on!!
Hope we get a contract prior to the NOVEMBER Obama RIOTS ???
silly silly silly Why, I'm thinking about laying you off by day off groups because I have no money...king dick
Outgunned? You guys are out everything! My kid is a cop in a west suburban DuPage County PD. Sig Sauer P220 .45 stainless duty weapon. M-16 (not AR) patrol rifle on rack at top of cage. Each patrolman and patrol Sgt. and Lt. gets a taser and MONTHLY qualification range time in the basement during shift which includes his off duty 10 rd. baby Glock .45. And you know, who is more likely to face a situation when the weaponry and practice is needed? When I first started reading this blog about 3 months ago, thought many are a bunch of whiners. The complete opposite is true. You guys are getting the shaft from everyone. Be it a large segment of crummy citizens, all the crummy politicians and worse of all-your own freaking PD management. Jfed and Humpty Dumpty Daley are the start of the problems. You are just going to have to sort it out, rationalize it and work it out. I noticed Naperville is testing. $56K to start. Check it out. Main problem-self centered population who think they are better than you and everyone else and will tell you and everyone else it is so.
How about a .45 cal Thompson Machinegun. Now that is real fire power with a backup or 2nd choice of say a .351 Browning rifle.
I prefer the simplicity of a .30 cal M1 carbine but then Im old but accurate.
If rifles are issued, extra rifle stopping vests and additional anti-rifle round protection should also be issued.
i was on scene said...
Don't believe 90% of what the people from 011 are posting, because 90% of them half less than 3 years on and can't spell "crime scene", let alone interpret one. I work Mass trans and I was there. Consider this a first-hand account. Be safe irregardless people.
7/27/2008 02:38:00 AM
Since you can spell "crime scene", you should also know that "irregardless" is not a word.
Go arrest a turnstile jumper.
Every car on days in 11 is 99. The wagon is the only 10-4 car.
I thought Fr.Plager made everyone turn in their rifles. He's the best just ask him!!
Retired Statey here,
Before I retired, I qualified with the rifle. I had never shot one before. I was amazed at the accuracy. I loved (and still do) my shotgun, but there is definitely a place for a rifle in a squad. The power test to carry a rifle is a joke. You want someone with experience and knowledge. The power test is a joke to give them a chance to fire you. If you can't pass, you go on medical. If a Dr. won't carry you.......you're GONE!!!
Hey 7/27/2008 02:38:00 AM
"Long story, short: the trauma/injury to boo-boo's head may not have neccessarily come from "a rifle", rather came from blunt force trauma when he impacted the pole."
It should have ben easy to tell if you were there. A .223 causes a cavitation injury. Impact does not.
"In the meantime don't get everyone worked up over the fact that theres rifles on the streets of the ghettos. Always have been."
What are you talking about!? When should people get worked up? Do we wait for a copper to get killed by a rifle?
"Don't believe 90% of what the people from 011 are posting, because 90% of them half less than 3 years on and can't spell "crime scene"
Hey, dopey, I got a clue for you: "half" is spelled "have." If yer gonna make fun of people who can't spell - learn to spell.
"I work Mass trans and I was there. Consider this a first-hand account. Be safe irregardless people."
It would help us become safer if self-appointed experts like you would stop interfering with efforts to properly arm the working police.
Police Officer Kenneth Kaner #2662
007th District
EOW 19 June 1970
DENY PAROLE FOR THIS CONVICTED COP KILLER
Please send letters demanding that the Illinois Prisoner Review Board deny Parole for Bruce Sharp convicted murderer of PO Kenneth Kaner #2662.
A hearing will be held before the Illinois Prisoner Review Board on 20 August 08 at 26th & California 13th Floor at 0830 hrs.
Letters can be sent to:
Illinois Prisoner Review Board
Attention: Jorge Montes Chairman
319 East Madison St Suite A
Springfield , IL 62701
Bruce Sharp IDOC#C15289.
Police Officer Robert Wenzel #7495
Unit 151 (Traffic Enforcement Section)
EOW 19 January 1973
DENY PAROLE FOR THIS CONVICTED COP KILLER
Please send letters demanding that the Illinois Prisoner Review Board deny Parole for Richard Luckey the convicted murderer of PO Robert Wenzel #7495.
A hearing will be held before the Illinois Prisoner Review Board on 20 August 2008 at 26th & California 13th Floor at 0830 hrs.
Illinois Prisoner Review Board
Attention: Jorge Montes Chairman
319 East Madison St Suite A
Springfield , IL 62701
Richard Luckey IDOC#C02029
Police Officer Anthony N Rizzato #12407 & Sergeant James L Severin #1319
Area 6 Task Force
End of Watch 17 July 1970
DENY PAROLE FOR THIS CONVICTED COP KILLER
Please send letters demanding that the Illinois Prisoner Review Board deny Parole for Johnny Veal the convicted murderer of PO Anthony Rizzato #12407 & Sgt James Severin #1319.
A hearing will be held before the Illinois Prisoner Review Board on 20 August 08 at 26th & California 13th Floor at 0830 hrs.
Illinois Prisoner Review Board
Attention: Jorge Montes Chairman
319 East Madison St Suite A
Springfield , IL 62701
Johnny Veal IDOC#C01600
http://www.ilcops.org/News.htm
OT but....Car chase in 025 early this morning by 016 dist gang team started at North/Long and ended up at Wabansia/Cicero.016th dist team did an excellent job calling out the chase as did 025th dist car who took over as primary persuit car.Was kind of comical when zone asked 1668 if he was monitoring and he said "99" as you could hear his engine in the background...at least he had the balls to let his people do their jobs and not terminate. Three shitheads crashed into parked cars and tried to run but were all caught at scene and two guns recovered!!
They are training PO's for the patrol rifle every week but we only have around 25 rifles at the moment and limited ammo last I heard. They were supposed to be fielded in June but you know how that goes.
Bigger guns are not needed by the Chicago Police, bigger hearts, a kinder touch and better conversation skills with the public are a few of the things that would help.
Understanding the black urban plight will go a lot farther than any weapon.
" Anonymous said...
SCC,
Downtown is pissed off at any mention of the Obama '08 Riots...
7/27/2008 01:10:00 AM " Watch & see !!!! All those CPS students & their kin will be out in force pillaging ! But it's OK ! "They" have a right to vent in anger. They still suffer from "Granny was a Slave Syndrome". Daley said it was OK !!!
Inspector Big Bird will make sure you have everthing in order. FUCK THAT USELESS piece of excrement. He kills all morale what is left. Never struck another P.O. but IDIOT is going down-never to get up. HEY SUPT WEIS GET RID OF this ASSHOLE-he's KILLING morale.
Talk of layoffs for the cpd must be rumors. We are so short as it is. The city is feeling the pinch now, just wait, the yuppies will be shitting. Save money in the CFD. They work part time, change their hours to ours and lay off half of them.
13 days until "BLOOD KILLAKID" parade,I hear tact teams are being armed with a secret weapon,JOB APPLICATIONS!The sight of these can clear a corner faster than a flame thrower.
7/27/2008 07:57:00 AM
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Another secret weapon: books.
Plain and simple....you're a gun NUT !
7/27/2008 06:56:00 AM
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God, I hope you're not the police.
Off the topic but I am a F/B Officer working in Special Activities. We were told on Friday that we are going to personnel and leaving our unit. Our balless Cmdr. Alvarado took his 2 suckhole people from Spec. Activities and put them in Administration. Now there are 5 P.O.'s in Admin. doing nothing except waiting to drive the clueless Cmdr. Alvarado around. He would not know the price of gas. He has driven a company car for years and has not bought gas. He's a total spineless person. By the way just read in the paper how the Mayor is going to lay off city employees. Start with the "Civilian Manager" asshole just bought into the unit-who he's trying to do (D.Z.) Another USELESS thing Demote this fuckebackk to LT. SEE JODY. JUST SAVED THE DEPT. a quarter of a million dollars on 2 wasted things who know nothing about CPD. When P.O.Francis died Cmdr. Alv. had no clue how to do an honor's funeral. Was scared shitless. Had to have other people handle everything. Hope he enjoys his suckholes P.O. Jim R. and P.O. Peggy M.
How can downtown be upset over an inevitability.Election night is going to be a mess no matter what.The OBAMA RIOTS are going to happen."The Messiah" is proof positive you should NEVER WORSHIP FALSE PROPHETS.The old saying of "be careful of what you wish for is so true.
OT - Great turnout this morning for the Area 4 Ride To Remember. Over 700 bikes! I was told the procession of motorcycles was 2 1/2miles long! Thanks to the civilians and police other departments who rode.
There were a few of pissed off people (several gave us the finger, but they know where they can go) but overall a great response from the citizens of Chicago. What I saw today was the reason I became the police.
I smiled everytime someone waved or honked at us, especially the little kids. There are a lot of people out there who still like us!
A special thanks to the CFD Engine (or Truck) that was pulled over on LDS just north of 31st Street, who's members saluted us.
Kudos to all the CPD who did a great job of blocking off traffic for us - 001, 008, 009, 010, 011, 012, 021 20, 009, 008, 021, Traffic, TMA. Did I forget anyone?
Applause to the Detectives in A/4 who put this thing together. And a big thanks to Donna Marquez for her wonderful speech at the memorial. She should be mayor and Superintendant!
Anonymous said...
Bea's a lame duck.
7/27/2008 12:49:00 AM
I THINK YOU MEANT
Bea's A luck Dame
CAR 47 we need more rifles, OK! For now just make sure you have your hat on!
Anonymous said...
Speaking of SWAT, the whole crew of them were leaving A4 range the other night. And get this...they were ALL wearing T-Shirts that said "Either you're SWAT or you're NOT". I'll swear on a stack of bibles that this is true. What a bunch of jackasses.
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Your a fucking liar wanna be bitch ass pussy. Print your name bitch so I can knock you out for lying. Your so jealous!!!!!!!
7/26/2008 08:34:00 P
Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps....
7/27/2008 12:52:00 PM
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You apologize to the guy who spelled corp "corps" and we'll forgive you for spelling the word "it's" without an apostrophe. Petty nonsense.
Scc,
i believe that you are way off base with this rifle issue, I think we need to skip rifles and go straight to m16s and grenades. fuck this city and all of these obama loving liberals.Either put squash the problem or let the city go up in flames.These displaced project hood rat residents dont care about the police so we shouldnt care about them.Obama for President??? LOL i think not
SRT
to the citizen who lives on beat 1422, thank you for the kind words..it really is nice to hear once in awhile. here on beat 1622 we appreciate it.
If CPD wants AR/M16s on the street just call in the National Guard for real.
Anonymous said...
Talk of layoffs for the cpd must be rumors. We are so short as it is. The city is feeling the pinch now, just wait, the yuppies will be shitting. Save money in the CFD. They work part time, change their hours to ours and lay off half of them.
7/27/2008 05:35:00 PM
How about fuck yourself shitstick?
There are 3 city entities that CAN'T be undermanned and those are:
Police
Fire
Sanitation
How about getting rid of the dropout shitheads that work in city hall and everywhere else they're hidden amongst actual working people.
We don't need a fucking silver bean, but it's too late for that waste of money.
We don't need to spend millions on moving a kid's center, especially when 98% of the city doesn't want it.
We don't need to spend millions of taxpayer dollars, even though we were told private money would be used, on Olympic wannabe bullshit before they tell Daley no anyway.
We don't need to spend millions in fake lawsuits to enrich Daley's lawyer buddies, even though we have corp counsel who's already on salary to do this job.
So a ginormous FUCK YOU assmunch with your "let's cut the CFD"!
I hope YOUR ass get's beat real nice one day and it takes CFD a good long time to get there to transport you, fuckhead! But hey, you'll just jump on the Sue City Fuckstick train won't ya?!
I still remember back in the 80's a dope dealer on 16th st got stuck up.Officers Depriest and Braswell saw the offenders car ,chase called in, next transmission was from off Depriest "squad he's got an automatic weapon and we ain't chasing him no more", if your both still around hope your enjoying your retirement.
13 days until "BLOOD KILLAKID" parade,I hear tact teams are being armed with a secret weapon,JOB APPLICATIONS!The sight of these can clear a corner faster than a flame thrower.
7/27/2008 07:57:00 AM
I haven't posted a comment in awhile but I almost pissed my pants when I read this....
Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps....
7/27/2008 12:52:00 PM
i don't know where your from but my Marine Corps is spelled with an s maybe you should trot your sorry ass over to their website for spelling school even 0311's learn how to spell
Cant wait to see Barak "The Messiah" Obama riding down Martin Luther King Jr. Drive leading the Bud parade. On the news of course since Im on furlo!!
Senority! gotta love it!
Imagine is something we to happen that day? Or if he was to loose the election? Mayhem plane and simple. There goes the 3900 and 4000 blks of Madison not to mention 16th Street... Oh Wait they were never rebuilt after the rioting of '68
We don't need m4's or tasers! Soon, very soon members of SWAT and TRU will use Jedi mind tricks and light sabers. Weak minded fools will be no problem.
re:
Mary A. Mitchell said...
Bigger guns are not needed by the Chicago Police, bigger hearts, a kinder touch and better conversation skills with the public are a few of the things that would help.
Understanding the black urban plight will go a lot farther than any weapon.
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Not sure if I could ever understand the plight of the blacks but I sure know what the flight of the blacks are, everytime they run from me while trying to throw their weapon.
I was trained with a M/4 but now I have a white partner.
What ever happened to REV JAKES? I heard they blew him up as part of the BATMAN MOVIE.
Rifles are for killing people at long distances.
Take a rifle on this job and shoot some shithead who is a block away and you are going to an Illinois State Penitentiary for the better part of your adulthood. Outside of a hostage situation, I don't care what scenario you draw up in your head, you shoot some mope at that distance on today's job and the ASAs will charge you with murder, you will get convicted, and you will go to jail.
Everyone is telling you that things have gone back to the way they were. That its OK to do police work again. It isn't. Nothing has changed. They may look the other way on complaints and other "violations" in the short term, but this shit stays on the books for years and this department will be back to fucking coppers in no time. Do not for one second believe that the Joe running this department in 2011 won't charge you for something you did in 2008.
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog(boot on ground) in grenada and iraq(the first iraq)...now im a little older(ok alot older) but still shoot every week on my rdo's but i know i cannot pass the power test, but give me a rifle up to and including one mile with a good scope and pookie will be dead..so do i really have to pass a powertest to carry a gun to be qualified.???
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No, but you should be forced to pass a psych test, Stud. Now, shut up, do a couple sit-ups, and keep your "kills" to yourself.
J-Fraud on a Harley! And I thought that this wackjob looked strange before. Now he just looks scary!
Someone posted 10:15 am 7/27 a list of reasons why rifles are tactical liabilities. Agree with many reasons presented. You cannot run out a rifle all the time. But the issue is you cannot have people shooting up a neighborhood at will as happend in N. Hollywood after BOA robbery and being out gunned in general. You cannot have cops running to local gun stores to "borrow" guns. (Remember, guns and gun stores are illegal in the mind of the dumbocrat city political culture)Therefore, availability and use as needed as required. But this entire matter goes back to problem #8 at the top of the blog. There is a serious armament, training and practice problem that remains unaddressed in this citizens opinion. Hey Dick-all the CPD problems and issues are laid out for you 1-8 courtesy of this blog. Why don't you and the J eliminate 90% of the CPD problems and focus on those issues? By the way; on the gun subject: highly recommend Springfield Armory XD .45 Bi-Tone/its a big no bullshit 13 round gun with 5" pipe. Chalky said: "Shoots straight and works every time".
"Who is this? Shields? Or Bea? This Department is in trouble from the TOP down. Masters and Snake might be poison, but they answer to someone higher who put them there."
Yeah, SCC, one can tell you're definitely a future leader.
Masters and Sgt. Snake do answer to someone higher....JFED, who put them there! DUH!
Seems simple to me. Want to qualify with the rifle? Pass the Power test. Can't pass the Power test? GET IN SHAPE.
Back Sir!
13 days until "BLOOD KILLAKID" parade,I hear tact teams are being armed with a secret weapon,JOB APPLICATIONS!The sight of these can clear a corner faster than a flame thrower.
7/27/2008 07:57:00 AM
That's just a warm up for the St. Drunk ass day parade. Coppers are given AA apps for that cluster fuck. Nothing like considering yourself civilized, then taking a dump in someones front yard!
They don't care about you. You are a pawn in a game they're playing. They only care about how any attention will affect them and their careers. If it's useful to them, you'll get a rifle. If not, you're on your own.
All the bullshit meetings with you are only a sign that some kind of pressure was felt because of "de-policing" and that brings negative attention on them. They can't have that, so they try to trick you into thinking that they care.
Ain't this the truth....
Anonymous said...
7/27/2008 02:26:00 AM
AK doesn't fire a .223 round.
7/27/2008 01:27:00 PM
Yes it can.There are AK rifles chambered for 5.56x45Nato my friend.
http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/84-s.html
http://www.arsenalinc.com/about.htm
Aunt Bea came through the 25th district on Saturday to make an appearance for some community leaders meeting and walked by the officers and didn't say a word. No acknowledgment whatsoever. Now that's a leader!!!!
I know that most .223 hollowpoint or soft-point rounds will penetrate less than 9mm duty ammo.
What the hell are you smoking? You don't know a thing about high powered rifle cartridges do you? Don't spread such nonsense!
It is, and always has been the United States Marine CORPS ! Not Corp. No, I'm not a Jar Head, and never wanted to be. I am a United States Army Airborne Ranger, and despite my trash talk about the "butchiest men" in the Department of The Navy, I respect the Leather Necks.
God bless 016 1st watch! It is really sad what has happened to this department.
Anonymous said...
I know that most .223 hollowpoint or soft-point rounds will penetrate less than 9mm duty ammo.
7/27/2008 01:53:00 AM
UMMMM WRONG!
7/27/2008 10:44:00 AM
The first poster is correct..223/5.56 penetrates less on hard target like water heaters,2x4s,washer dryer,car doors.
9mm "generally" does better on drywall,wood,glass.
.223/5.56 will penetrate soft body armor where most common 9x19 does not.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/
Yeah, SCC, one can tell you're definitely a future leader.
Masters and Sgt. Snake do answer to someone higher....JFED, who put them there! DUH!
Um, that's what we said.
Those reading comprehension courses you took? Ask for a refund.
Those 3 female Sgts in 016 are the future of this department! F.v. could'nt make a living jumping out of a cake! SAD....
Since you can spell "crime scene", you should also know that "irregardless" is not a word.
Go arrest a turnstile jumper.
7/27/2008 02:41:00 PM
It's worth noting here that no comma is necessary after "crime scene".
Asshat.
""OT but....Car chase in 025 early this morning by 016 dist gang team started at North/Long and ended up at Wabansia/Cicero.016th dist team did an excellent job calling out the chase as did 025th dist car who took over as primary persuit car.Was kind of comical when zone asked 1668 if he was monitoring and he said "99" as you could hear his engine in the background...""
Always good to hear GOOD POLICE work on the blog, bad guys in jail and police all ok. Only bad thing is it's my district's gang team in 025. Oh wait a minute, they belong to the Area Deputy to use as he sees fit according to Aunt Bea. OK then, why don't they have 45XXX beat numbers??????
More smoke and mirrors.
Anonymous said...
I was trained with a M/4 but now I have a white partner.
7/27/2008 09:10:00 PM
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Funny!!! You made me spit up my beer.
AND ON THE EIGHTH DAY
GOD CREATED MARINES
Why are there no openings in 010? How are the bosses?
give bea or better yet give jodi an arrest report and tell them to arrest someone... better yet ask them who you have to notify for a missing.
I have been on the better part of 17 years. I have never seen a shotgun or long gun in a car with the exception of an HBT incident we rode on once a long time ago. I have bad news for all you young bucks who think you will have a long gun in your car, YOU WILL NEVER SEE A RIFLE!! I guarantee it. This is all J-Fed blowing smoke up our asses to get us to believe he is looking out for us. Mark my words, it ain't gonna happen.
Seems simple to me. Want to qualify with the rifle? Pass the Power test. Can't pass the Power test? GET IN SHAPE.
7/27/2008 09:46:00 PM
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Whoa, pretty soon you'll tell me I can only carry my nine if I can pass the power test. Damn all people who can't make the sit-up quota at age 55! Leave me defenseless so you can check the little box on the PT sheet. Are you insane, or just not the police?
The point is, we are ENTITLED to the weapon; we shouldn't have to jump through some arbitrary hoop to be issued one. The only requirement should be whether we qualify to SHOOT the damned thing, not whether we can hop on one foot while patting our head for the specified period of time.
I've told my family to sue the city if I die because I'm outgunned due to this idiotic excuse for not providing us with the firepower we need in this day and age. I might be dead, but they'll OWN Richie's summer compound and Jody's cats, too. And you guys will finally have the equipment you're entitled to.
That nut in 024 is driving us all nuts.. And i put on a white shirt!
We will get the rifles just in time for the OBAMA 08 riots.
The only Barak I know is in 007. Did you mean Barack?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps....
7/27/2008 12:52:00 PM
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You apologize to the guy who spelled corp "corps" and we'll forgive you for spelling the word "it's" without an apostrophe. Petty nonsense.
7/27/2008 07:26:00 PM
It is "Corps." Look it up morons.
Since you can spell "crime scene", you should also know that "irregardless" is not a word.
Go arrest a turnstile jumper.
7/27/2008 02:41:00 PM
It's worth noting here that no comma is necessary after "crime scene".
Asshat.
7/27/2008 10:33:00 PM
"Since you can spell 'crime scene'" is called an "introductory clause", and a comma, should be used.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_commaint.html
Douchebag.
More misinterpretation from the masses. This comment was not published due to the name used by the individual.
Dear Mr., Mrs., or Miss SCC, I've enjoyed your blog for quite some time now.
gee thanks
But from time to time you choose to drag OFFICERS into your conversations and put them down for no apparent reason.
We're sure you'll demonstrate this tendency of ours using actual quotes and words we've written, right?
You like to rant about the media bashing the police but here you are doing the same thing.
Yes we rant, and we're still waiting for you to provide us with examples...you know, actual things we've written.
IF you can name 10 guys...
We can. We would but we don't want them to get big heads.
...that can shoot better than me (an officer on the SWAT team) I WOULD NOT be embarrased.
We'd be arguing semantics here. We used "embarrass" to mean "out-shoot by a wide margin." You on the other hand seem to want to use "embarrass" to mean "red-faced and ashamed of your ability."
Shooting is a skill. A skill that must be honed to be good at. We are mediocre shooters. We've recently started upping our training time because we figure we owe it to our families and co-workers. We can put all 30 qualification shots on the paper, even the ones at 25 yards and have done so the past few years. But we aren't going to pretend that we're fantastic at it or a natural. We're capable.
And we're still waiting for your examples of our "put downs."
I know I can shoot just fine but there are still people that may be better.
...still waiting...
Embarrased...no, I'd give these ten guys a pat on the back and say nice job.
How very big of you...still waiting...any example? Anything at all? Just a single instance of us putting down anyone?
There is more to being on S.W.A.T. than shooting tests and physical tests. Those are just the starting points because you have to start somewhere.
How did this turn into a critique of SWAT? Have you no concept of how to argue logically? Did we put down SWAT? Only in your misinterpretation of the word "embarrass."
Fine. Here we go. SWAT is a difficult and dedicated part of police work. It takes lots of training and teamwork to function as a single unit and go up against some very hairy situations. We appreciate how hard it is.
That being said, for the most part, SWAT knows going in that they're going to be up against some seriously disturbed or fucked up situations. That's the mission. Patrol however is going to stumble into more shit just by dint of being out and around responding to 911 calls. Patrol needs shotguns and really ought to have rifles available. We are steadfast in that belief.
I'll excuse your NARROW MINDEDNESS as a lapse in your better judgement.
And we'll excuse your misinterpretation of our word and your complete inability to address the accusation made at the beginning of your post. You still haven't identified one single instance of us dragging an officer into our argument - your strawman still hasn't been knocked down.
We'll also excuse our decision to publish your silly comment, but we were bored tonight and you made it awfully easy to make a point.
But in the future please use a little more caution when you throw your fellow officers under the bus. When you don't YOU sound like an ASSHAT.
Coming from an asshat such as yourself, we'll quietly smile at how deep you've managed to penetrate into the realms of asshatted-ness.
Sincerely, a fellow CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER assigned to unit 141.
Thanks for playing.
"Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps...."
7/27/2008 12:52:00 PM
Damn you are stupid! Now get back in the basement and STFU dweeb!
13 days until "BLOOD KILLAKID" parade,I hear tact teams are being armed with a secret weapon,JOB APPLICATIONS!The sight of these can clear a corner faster than a flame thrower.
7/27/2008 07:57:00 AM
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another secret weapon - healthy food......start handing out a few salads and watch them head for the hills. hot chips or bust.
0311's are slow,leave him alone. I am sure he meant well.
"7/27/2008 11:21:00 PM"
Fascinating.
AND ON THE 9TH DAY GOD CREATED SWAT.
"7/27/2008 10:23:00 PM"
Depends upon what you're trying to penetrate, doesn't it?
(cue Keesing Bandit)
Another great observation of the SWAT guys...worked housing a few weeks back and was having dinner at the Portillos downtown. Tourists approached the "cool-looking guys in the green outfits!" (as heard shrieked by an over-excited pre-pubescent boy) and asked to take a picture with/of them. One of the SWAT guys (didn't make out his name) became the mouthpiece for the group and insisted that there would be NO pictures because he didn't want the team's identity compromised. Do you believe that shit!!?? I would maybe have understood if the tourists were non-English speaking and of Middle Eastern descent...but a 6 year old boy from Nowhere, Iowa??? The kid broke down in tears and kept asking "Why?", to which one of the SWAT guys responded "it's policy, kid - one day you'll know what that means". SWAT left and we offered to take pictures with the kid, and he was overjoyed. The Mom was in tears also at this point and couldn't thank us enough. The Dad shook all of our hands and promised to write a letter to the Sup detailing both the negative and positive points of the family's first interaction with CPD. Way to go, SWAT.
Police
Fire
Sanitation
How about getting rid of the dropout shitheads that work in city hall and everywhere else they're hidden amongst actual working people.
Mondays Crain's Business claims Daley wants to privatize sanitation pick up.
Dont slam the CFD. I hate the hoisting engineers aka
bulldozer drivers for the water dept. The prics makes forty four dollars an hour, sits in the machine all day as the others work in the hole. If there going to cut jobs this is the trade I would start with. All are related to the eleventh ward all work as precinct captains....
Chill out gun wackos. When was the last time an M16 was needed on a scene? I know-What if.....
Since you can spell "crime scene", you should also know that "irregardless" is not a word.
Go arrest a turnstile jumper.
7/27/2008 02:41:00 PM
It's worth noting here that no comma is necessary after "crime scene".
Asshat.
7/27/2008 10:33:00 PM
"Since you can spell 'crime scene'" is called an "introductory clause", and a comma, should be used.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_commaint.html
Douchebag.
Shouldn't the comma be inside the parenthesis?
why not increase the number of swat guys to at least 5% of the department like the 1st and 3rd city do..
7/27/2008 10:30:00 AM
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UMMMMM....WRONG, it's approx. 1% douchebag.
NY=400 SWAT-- 30k P.O's
L.A. =72 SWAT--7900 P.O's
dont talk smack unless you know what you are talking about.
Whoever wrote: "Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps...." is a douchebag moron. You're the "FAKED" a-hole. It's "Corps" nor "Corp."
The first poster is correct..223/5.56 penetrates less on hard target like water heaters,2x4s,washer dryer,car doors.
9mm "generally" does better on drywall,wood,glass.
.223/5.56 will penetrate soft body armor where most common 9x19 does not.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/
7/27/2008 10:23:00 PM
THIS WAS THE ENTIRE QUOTE I RESPONDED TO:
Depending on the load, the .223 may or may not penetrate the vest. I know that most .223 hollowpoint or soft-point rounds will penetrate less than 9mm duty ammo.
I should have clarified my answer and said there is no vest a 9mm can penetrate that a 223 cannot..
By now you are sick of me sending messages this way. I did not see my post anywhere near the time I sent it and therefore I thought you chose to delete it. Only now did I come across your response at 11P.M or so. BTW I was not trying to insinuate I was SCC I used it as the name because I had your quote following it.
My statement "But from time to time you choose to drag OFFICERS into your conversations and put them down for no apparent reason."
was made because I did take "embarass" to mean "red-faced and ashamed of your ability."
in the May 05 post "Rifles? Not for You" you also chose to say you could name half a dozen officers off the top of your head that could outshoot anyone on SWAT. Obviously I have no clue who SCC is but you seem to know a lot about the guys on SWAT and how well they shoot. When comments are made like that it sounds as if you are putting us down. Thats what my point was. I guess this has gotten way out of hand but the point is we do train hard and we do what we do because at least we are doing it for OUR fellow officers. It is the one place left where I can work hard, enjoy what I'm doing and know it's about my friends in blue not these pieces of crap that could care less about us. Anyway for me it's late and you could probably care less about this so with that... read you later,
Be Safe.
Fuck CPD bosses and fuck JFed. I've got 20 plus years on. My knee's are fucked, my ankles are fucked, my shins are fucked. I can't do the run in the time you desire and want but I'm sure I'm probably one of the best shots you'll have and one of the most experienced. But again Fuck You. Keep your Hi Powered Rifle and your power test bullshit. I've been humping the streets my entire career and still am but you say I cant carry cause I can't pass your so called power test. Jfed, go have your wife put another needle of juice in your ass. Take the uniform off cause you don't deserve it and haven't earned it. Fuck your stupid power test to.
Since you can spell "crime scene", you should also know that "irregardless" is not a word.
Go arrest a turnstile jumper.
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I'm guessing what you meant to say was:
Since you CAN'T spell "crime scene"...
(followed by some insults).
off topic:
009, What happened yesterday at 5400 s laflin? They had a plan in. Was it related to what happened in 007? The ticket didn't have much info on it, other than a Disturbance...I think for music.
And a 10-1 on 43/Wabash with multiple people shot. Anyone from 002 and 009 want to enlighten us?
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There was a block party, about 200/300 people out there. Police show up to brake the party up, next thing you know, bottles get thrown at the police. Shitheads got locked up, party's over. What happened in 007?
Why are there no openings in 010? How are the bosses?
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The bosses are freakin awesome, but watch out for the crazy f/4 bitch working the afternoon rapids.
Anonymous said...
Chalkie stopped by 007 last night.
7/27/2008 05:55:00 AM
Chalkie is kinda like the Grim Reaper's best buddy. All I can think of is Adam Corolla's voice from the Grim Reaper on "Family Guy". Who can we get to be the voice of Chalkie?
wow 3 crazy broads running 016 1st watch..are they taking cues from there wc
Off the topic but I am a F/B Officer working in Special Activities. We were told on Friday that we are going to personnel and leaving our unit. Our balless Cmdr. Alvarado took his 2 suckhole people from Spec. Activities and put them in Administration. Now there are 5...............
7/27/2008 05:49:00 PM
Just pick up the phone you inside house mouse. I'm sure you still have an ace up your sleeve so you can avoid the street.
"Since you can spell 'crime scene'" is called an "introductory clause", and a comma, should be used.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_commaint.html
Douchebag.
7/27/2008 11:21:00 PM
You did it again. No comma is necessary after "comma" in your reply. Did you recieve a big box of commas for Christmas and you just enjoy peppering your sentences with them whenever you feel like it?
Ass monkey.
And to those who think you can fight with a rifle slung around your back, try it first before whipping out your flame cause it ain't easy. I guarantee once the fight starts you'll feel the liability of having to secure TWO weapons at the same time.
Enjoy
7/27/2008 10:15:00 AM
Ever in the military? Our troops take people into custody with M4s all the time. Zip cuff them and haul them away. The M4 is not for every use, every situation. It's there for the time that you need it. As far as rounds going through people, I would assume that hollow points would be the authorized ammo. The rounds mushroom on impact and won't go through.
And since when do you point a rifle at drunken yuppies to scare them? Review your tactics and get back to us.
"Shouldn't the comma be inside the parenthesis?
7/28/2008 12:41:00 AM"
No.
Now, fuck you, pay me.
"Chill out gun wackos. When was the last time an M16 was needed on a scene? I know-What if.....
7/28/2008 12:39:00 AM"
Not 'what if...', more like 'what when...'
another secret weapon - healthy food......start handing out a few salads and watch them head for the hills. hot chips or bust.
7/27/2008 11:47:00 PM
Wait, is there aimed at the coppers or the savages? You can see why it may be confusing...
The kid broke down in tears and kept asking "Why?", to which one of the SWAT guys responded "it's policy, kid - one day you'll know what that means". SWAT left...and the 6 year old boy was seen clutching a white feather.
The Keesing Bandit says---
I was there when something was penetrated the other day...
I don't want to talk about it.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
"...were were told Friday that we are going to personnel and leaving our unit..."
I hope you don't break a nail!
Why are there no openings in 010? How are the bosses?
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The bosses are freakin awesome, but watch out for the crazy f/4 bitch working the afternoon rapids.
7/28/2008 02:52:00 AM
Also watch out for that blond captain on the midnights, too hyper, needs to cool off and appreciate her people
If rifles are issued, extra rifle stopping vests and additional anti-rifle round protection should also be issued.
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So now instead of taking 30 seconds to get your rifle out of the trunk and get ready for action you will take an extra 30-60 seconds to put your extra gear on and then get your rifle ready for action.
If it was me, I would say get a shotgun over a rifle and put it up in the front of the squad in a locked rack, with some kind of fast release lock. Something that is positive, but can be operated fairly easily under stress.
Most street cops will never need a rifle, but a shotgun might well come in handy more often.
A shotgun is pretty close to beign as accurate as a rifle at the ranges you are likely to encounter in an urban area. And 00 buck shot won't travel anywhere near as far if you miss as a .223 will.
Put the rifle in the trunk if it makes you feel better, but my guess is a nice 870 would better serve the average street cop, and would certainly get more use (unless the power minds made the ROE's so restrictive they were useless).
There's going to be a 100 chalkie man march in area two !
good shooting!!!
Swat is comprised of mostly rubbers that were not the police and that includes the hold overs from SOS. Couple of real police still there but not many. Most of you were given thousands and thousands of rounds of free ammo from the city in order to sharpen your shooting skills so you could qualify. If you constantly have to justify your existence shouldnt that tell you something. It is still a phone call unit. And no, most of the best marksman on the department are not on SWAT. Stop trying to sell your bullshit to someone that didnt work there. You guys work really hard while sitting on Rush St in front of starbucks for hours at a time. Its a cush spot so take it for what it is. And no I dont want to fight you or meet you in the lot of Homan sqaure after work I will just laugh at you whenever I see you.
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps...." is a douchebag moron. You're the "FAKED" a-hole. It's "Corps" nor "Corp."
7/28/2008 01:45:00 AM
If there is only one "corps" in the world then could you please explain who these people might be:
Corps of Engineers
Peace Corps
Africa Corps
Officer Corps
Infantry Corps
Signal Corps
Medical Corps
Artillery Corps
Intelligence Corps
Military Police Corps
Ladies Royal Auxiliary Corps
Womens Army Air Corps
Chaplains Corps
I Corps
III Corps
V Corps
XVIII Corps
and my personal favorite
Your local corps of the Salvation Army
Anonymous said...
this is funny... i was a marine corps sniper and have several recorded kills, i also have many kills with the m4 and m16 rifle while bog(boot on ground) in grenada and iraq(the first iraq)...now im a little older(ok alot older) but still shoot every week on my rdo's but i know i cannot pass the power test, but give me a rifle up to and including one mile with a good scope and pookie will be dead..so do i really have to pass a powertest to carry a gun to be qualified.???
7/27/2008 06:00:00 AM
Just one word..........FAKED
There is only ONE CORP in the world and its spelled CORP not corps....
7/27/2008 12:52:00 PM
Your response sir shows that like most of the people who write on this blog, they do not know what they are talking about. I don t know where you learned how to spell Corps but it sure as hell was not in my United Staes Marine CORPS. That is the way it has been spelled for the last 233 years.
Rifles when needed are a tool that we can not do with out. But they are usesless when not being employed. I don t know how the selection procedd should be made as to who carries an M4. Just becaise you can hit a paper target at 25 yards does nt mean anything when the time comes to acting under perssure. Anyone that has ever been in a fire ffight knows it s true. Having been around Negligent Discharges in both the CORPS and this job, that 223 round will go a long way........ and it does not care who it hits. There are plenty of people on this job who should not carry a handgun let alone an M4. I do know that when you need one you can not wait for it to arrive. That gun fight is usually long over with, unless you are engaged with an enemy who is prepared to slug it out. And that does happen.......P.O. Clark. LA Bank Robbery.
No easy answers..............
God bless 016 1st watch! It is really sad what has happened to this department.
Blame all the white shirts, it's all their fault. They have truly killed once was a great job.
there are no classes, no classes scheduled, and no general order out yet, it was all for show for the olympic committe
7/27/2008 01:40:00 PM
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Yes, there were few M4 classes already for the ones that pass the power test. So, there are at least over 120 or so officers are qualified with the M4 riffles out there. FYI
I learned today that the south suburban town of Posen has semi-automatic rifles (M-16's) in each one of their squad cars along with ballistic helments and shields....
Maybe our "policy section" guys can call out there and try to get it right...WTF
POSEN PD....they also have department issued shotguns available to carry in their cars instead of a M-16's....their choice.
What do they pay out there?
former SOS/HBT guy said...
Another great observation of the SWAT guys...worked housing a few weeks back and was having dinner at the Portillos downtown. Tourists approached the "cool-looking guys in the green outfits!" (as heard shrieked by an over-excited pre-pubescent boy) and asked to take a picture with/of them. One of the SWAT guys (didn't make out his name) became the mouthpiece for the group and insisted that there would be NO pictures because he didn't want the team's identity compromised. Do you believe that shit!!?? I would maybe have understood if the tourists were non-English speaking and of Middle Eastern descent...but a 6 year old boy from Nowhere, Iowa??? The kid broke down in tears and kept asking "Why?", to which one of the SWAT guys responded "it's policy, kid - one day you'll know what that means". SWAT left and we offered to take pictures with the kid, and he was overjoyed. The Mom was in tears also at this point and couldn't thank us enough. The Dad shook all of our hands and promised to write a letter to the Sup detailing both the negative and positive points of the family's first interaction with CPD. Way to go, SWAT.
7/28/2008 12:26:00 AM
Chill out dude. They're Operators. Don't you remember "Hoot" from Black Hawk Down? They might have to ride a bike undercover through Fillmo. You have no idea the level of skill, dedication and phone calls these barrel chested freedom fighters have. Force Protection is their primary concern when hunting Muslim terrorists, westside dope dealers and half price hot dogs. Strength & Honor!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
AND ON THE 9TH DAY GOD CREATED SWAT.
7/28/2008 12:18:00 AM
not really its just the results of the Marines created on day 8 having their first poop
To the guy who said "chill out gun wackos", i feel sorry for anyone who rides with you, sir ! You are most likely the guy to be found with old green bullets in his magazines, and probably soft magazine springs as well. Heres a clue for you : When the slide doesnt lock back after the last round goes out of the pistol, you need to go to gunsprings.com and get 5% extra power mag springs. Thats 10% extra power springs for glocks, which are very tight from the factory and make the pistol so reliable in the first place. I did my 3 sig mags in 15 minutes... 8 round single stack mag springs last much longer than the 12-15 round staggered mags..A life saving tip for the cop on the beat who is waiting for long guns from J FRAUD !
"Since you can spell 'crime scene'" is called an "introductory clause", and a comma, should be used.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_commaint.html
Douchebag.
7/27/2008 11:21:00 PM
You did it again. No comma is necessary after "comma" in your reply. Did you recieve a big box of commas for Christmas and you just enjoy peppering your sentences with them whenever you feel like it?
Ass monkey.
7/28/2008 05:18:00 AM
It was a typo, but you got me on that one.
"You know what I got for Christmas? Oh, it was a banner f*ing year at the old Bender family. I got a carton of commas. The old man grabbed me and said, 'Hey, comma, up, Johnny!'"
"Chill out gun wackos. When was the last time an M16 was needed on a scene?"
Coupla months ago when some shitbird opened up on 2 dicks w/ some sorta kalishnikov clone. If that went worse would you be telling their wives and children to "chill"? Think about what you type before you do it, please.
"Also watch out for that blond captain on the midnights, too hyper, needs to cool off and appreciate her people"
CP is a great copper, a great boss and a great person. She takes care of her people and backs them up 100%. Maybe you should learn to appreciate her?
Lastly. Quit bashing swat. I'm sure there are some egotistical pricks there. Kinda like...I dunno...everywhere. If there is I have never met one. All I have met (and admittedly, I havent met every one of them) seem like standup, cool guys to me. Ive been on the scene of some stuff where they have been a big help. Taking out the south side shitbird in that hostage situation a little while ago? Nice work lads, keep it up. What do I know though. I'm just a PO who thinks us tearing each other down is akin to spoon feeding us right into lil dicks, the revs, the alderfilths and the parasites mouths.
I herd from a very good source that the dept has 250 semi-auto M-4 type rifles on order. 10 per district.
With more to come in the future.
SWAT uses fully auto M-4 rifles.
They will be getting new weapons
through the G.
Since you can spell "crime scene", you should also know that "irregardless" is not a word.
Go arrest a turnstile jumper.
7/27/2008 02:41:00 PM
It's worth noting here that no comma is necessary after "crime scene".
Asshat.
7/27/2008 10:33:00 PM
"Since you can spell 'crime scene'" is called an "introductory clause", and a comma, should be used.
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_commaint.html
Douchebag.
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OMG.. can you both just DIE!
Quit bashing swat. I'm sure there are some egotistical pricks there. Kinda like...I dunno...everywhere. If there is I have never met one. All I have met (and admittedly, I havent met every one of them) seem like standup, cool guys to me.
07/28/2008 05:26:00 PM
Well...if they're cool, then I take it all back. Who wouldn't want to befriend the cool guys? Just like high school with guns.
former SOS/HBT guy said...
Another great observation of the SWAT guys...worked housing a few weeks back and was having dinner at the Portillos downtown. Tourists approached the "cool-looking guys in the green outfits!" (as heard shrieked by an over-excited pre-pubescent boy) and asked to take a picture with/of them. One of the SWAT guys (didn't make out his name) became the mouthpiece for the group and insisted that there would be NO pictures because he didn't want the team's identity compromised. Do you believe that shit!!?? I would maybe have understood if the tourists were non-English speaking and of Middle Eastern descent...but a 6 year old boy from Nowhere, Iowa??? The kid broke down in tears and kept asking "Why?", to which one of the SWAT guys responded "it's policy, kid - one day you'll know what that means". SWAT left and we offered to take pictures with the kid, and he was overjoyed. The Mom was in tears also at this point and couldn't thank us enough. The Dad shook all of our hands and promised to write a letter to the Sup detailing both the negative and positive points of the family's first interaction with CPD. Way to go, SWAT.
7/28/2008 12:26:00 AM
And, to the S.W.A.T. asshole with the trident on his breast pocket of his blouse, where's your coin asshat?
10 M-4 carbines per district?Getting ready for the Obama Riots?Gonna need more guns and ammo!
Slightly off topic............I live in Beat 1422, I am not a cop, just a local resident that reads this blog site daily and I must say that it is nice to see the copper on 1422 days out there doing his job on a daily basis and trying to make the community better that I live in. I know he doesnt get much credit but the gangbangers and dealers do see him out there and tend to stay away when he is out and about. I wish more coppers in that district were the same way. I appreciate seeing the police in every part of this city. Its a shame the rest of your command staff, local reverends, polictians and mayor don't even support you guys. You guys get beat up in the media over and over again by a few select assholes. Unfortunately they never tell the stories where the copper did something good. Only at their funerals. So to the men and wome of CPD, keep up the good work guys, you are greatly appreciated I am happy you are out there.
7/27/2008 10:32:00 AM
Thank you.
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