Bad Timing for Climate Critic
We don't usually publish criticisms of ourselves or the blog. No, we don't think we're perfect, but we don't owe anyone a forum to attack us. And then sometimes, we allow it just so we can poke fun at the lack of knowledge displayed. Here's an example:
- SCC,
I like your take on nuke power, but you are a dolt when it comes to global warming. 30 year cycles, my ass. The north pole will be a navigable waterway next year.
Here's a suggestion, go to the Tetons in Wyoming or the Canadian Rockies. Take a look at the deterioration of all North American glaciers over the course of the 20th century. You science-deniers are really becoming a problem in the U.S.
Gee, your timing couldn't have been any worse on the first comment. Try this on for size:
- An abnormally cool Arctic is seeing dramatic changes to ice levels. In sharp contrast to the rapid melting seen last year, the amount of global sea ice has rebounded sharply and is now growing rapidly. The total amount of ice, which set a record low value last year, grew in October at the fastest pace since record-keeping began in 1979.
Boy, we'll bet your face is red. The record keeping itself only began in 1979 - thirty years ago. Thirty years mean zip, zero, nada in the climate debate. To see trends, you need to research hundreds of years, maybe thousands. And then there's this picture:
Note the date? 2008. Note the seal? National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. And note where the Tetons fall just south of Yellowstone on the Wyoming/Montana border? Record cold temps this year. In fact, record and near record cold temps across 80% of the country. Glaciers run in cycles, too, cycles covering thousands of years. If we aren't mistaken, a large body of water located due east of Chicago was carved out by one a few thousand years ago.
And then there are these Time Magazine covers from 1973 and 1979 (thirty years ago by the way):
Are you beginning to see the picture? The science isn't settled and hasn't been settled in 30 plus years. Accurate measurements exist only for the last few decades. Sunspot activity, the most reliable indicator of global climate change (and currently ignored by Gore and the left) is at a 11-year low and according to this article, might herald a period of cooling unseen in 350 years.
Instead of closing off all debate, pouring this country's resources into unproven and unprofitable energy sources, and calling those who disagree "dolts," we need to view the science in a calmer light and see what, if anything, it tells us. Most of what it tells us is we don't know shit where the earth is concerned.
Note the date? 2008. Note the seal? National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. And note where the Tetons fall just south of Yellowstone on the Wyoming/Montana border? Record cold temps this year. In fact, record and near record cold temps across 80% of the country. Glaciers run in cycles, too, cycles covering thousands of years. If we aren't mistaken, a large body of water located due east of Chicago was carved out by one a few thousand years ago.
And then there are these Time Magazine covers from 1973 and 1979 (thirty years ago by the way):
Are you beginning to see the picture? The science isn't settled and hasn't been settled in 30 plus years. Accurate measurements exist only for the last few decades. Sunspot activity, the most reliable indicator of global climate change (and currently ignored by Gore and the left) is at a 11-year low and according to this article, might herald a period of cooling unseen in 350 years.
Instead of closing off all debate, pouring this country's resources into unproven and unprofitable energy sources, and calling those who disagree "dolts," we need to view the science in a calmer light and see what, if anything, it tells us. Most of what it tells us is we don't know shit where the earth is concerned.
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SCC sorry to see that you spent that much time regarding this knuckle-head's comment.
Check Mate...SCC wins
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Any news on the Rottweiler?
Wouldn't it be ironic if it turns out that the only thing that could have saved the human species from being frozen out of existence was the production of more greenhouse gases?
Chill out Capt V.
The recipe for Peppered Rottweiler says to add pepper before marinading overnight.
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Check out the big brain on SCC!
Ok all you Al Gore groupies. Went to Ontario Canada this summer. Summer. HAHAHA. Didnt mean to laugh. July 18th, 2008. 54 degrees. Duluth Minnesota, 50 degrees. With wind chills, 38 to 40 degrees. Nothing like buying winter clothes in July. In fact, didn't hit seventy until 23-Jul.
Talking to the lifelong lodge owners, it was the coldest summer they could remember and on record for the last 30 to 40 years.
Typical Americans. Show em a slide show and they'll believe anything. Al gore. What an asshat. Anyone hear of earth cycles? Don't be a sheep in the herd.
Global warming? In Canada? PLEEEEEAAAASSSSSEEEE.
From the same article that you cited...
Bill Chapman, a researcher with the Arctic Climate Center at the University of Illinois, says the rapid increase is "no big deal". He says that, while the Arctic has certainly been colder in recent months, the long-term decrease is still ongoing. Chapman, who predicts that sea ice will soon stop growing, sees nothing in the recent data to contradict predictions of global warming.
Boy, we'll bet your face is red, too!
If you bothered to study the subject properly you would find that the term "global warming" is not in fact an accurate term. The correct term is "climate change" and it is a very real issue that evn G.W. has finally acknowledged.
Nice job, SCC!
it is not a 30 year cycle, it is a 1500 year cycle, there is proof of it a book called "Global Warming: Every 1500 Years" in that book the writer lays out all the evidence. DYK approximately 1500 years agao they made wine in England, which now is way too cold to produce wine but back then the temperture was about 10 degrees warmer
GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM
I want these boobs to tell us how the dinosaurs caused the ice age.
From the same article that you cited...
Bill Chapman, a researcher with the Arctic Climate Center at the University of Illinois, says the rapid increase is "no big deal". He says that, while the Arctic has certainly been colder in recent months, the long-term decrease is still ongoing. Chapman, who predicts that sea ice will soon stop growing, sees nothing in the recent data to contradict predictions of global warming.
Boy, we'll bet your face is red, too!
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FALLING DIRECTLY INTO OUR TRAP! We knew some ignorant leftist would do it and you win! You prove exactly our point of Chicken Little's running around, quoting half an argument, and declaring everything is said and done.
Yes, we read the paragraph you cited. And did you read the one directly below it? The one that says:
Others aren't quite so sure. Dr. Patrick Michaels, Professor of Environmental Science at the University of Virginia, says he sees some "very odd" things occurring in recent years. Michaels, who is also a Senior Fellow with the Cato Institute, tells DailyTech that, while the behavior of the Arctic seems to agree with climate models predictions, the Southern Hemisphere can't be explained by current theory. "The models predict a warming ocean around Antarctica, so why would we see more sea ice?" Michaels adds that large areas of the Southern Pacific are showing cooling trends, an occurrence not anticipated by any current climate model.
Man, your ASS must be read from the kicking we've been giving it. Thanks again for playing.
I thought this was a cop blog? WTF?
Somebody bring back secondcitydick
Congratulations SCC. You now can claim Al Gore as a reader!! Maybe he'll split some of that Nobel cash with you for exploiting his con game!
My 6th grade daughter comes home with the "global warming" religion all the time. This is tough for me as a parent. I want her to respect authority figures/teachers BUT I don't want her to be a mind numbed liberal robot.
I have explained to her media marketing and propaganda, and the holes in Darwins theory and the COMPLETE MYTH of global warming.
Lets face it, the same morons that voted for BO are pushing this crap. Liberalism is a mental illness. It is time for red state secession. Let the blue states drown themselves it brain dead policy while red state America can life free and prosper again.
All this talk about cooling; you guys are ruining our land sales in Iceland!
We've even tanned our skinheads, and made them grow hair; so we can attract your stupid tree-hugging
liberals and their money.
Please stop all this global cooling
truthfulness.....
Greenland was green 1100 years ago when the Vikings went there. Must have been a little warmer than now.
1.)Build small cars.
2.)Build Nuclear Power plants.
3.)Drill- And utilize every oil and gas resource available domestically.
4.)Coal is your friend, burn it and develop ways to make it cleaner.
5.) Continue research on hydrogen power
Wind and Solar are scams. They are prohibitevely expensive. Solar won't work anyways for most of the country (clouds). Even the wealthy radical lefties who promote them don't want windmills spoiling their views on Cape Cod or Malibu. They're attitude is that its good enough for the rubes in "flyover country".
SCC, you are the master of media !
Don't bother me with facts, I've made up my mind! -Al Gore
Global Warming is shit. The Earf is approx 4.5 billion years old. 30 years, or 1500 years for that matter, is nothing. We are talking about geological time, not human. Also, can one of you global warming supports explain to me what happened to Lake Chicago? And what man made event caused it's demise? What about the glaciers that carved out much of North America?
Al Gore says Global warming, so the winters are over.
FUCK GLOBAL WARMING
Does this mean that my palm tree is going to live or die this winter? Now I'm thinking I should have got the fake one.
Check out the big brain on SCC!
Almost as big as his...ego.
MY FEET ARE COLD.
SCC, I think you are nuts on this issue. The world scientific community has stated greenhouse effect is real and potentially catastrophic. Only a lunatic fringe still denies it.
This whole 'climate change' hysteria is piles and piles of carbon dioxide-emitting horse dung.
A few years ago Al "I-gotta-get- back-the-spotlight-somehow" Gore and his ilk were pointing to a few mild winters and screaming "proof!". Melting glaciers! Reduced sea ice! Dead polar bears!
Those without a political agenda said a few warm years, or even a decade mean nada in the long run of a system as large as the planet. These men of science were told to pull their heads out of the sand and some were even blackballed.
Now we are in the middle of a few cool years. Growing glaciers. More sea ice. Happy polar bears. But the global warming crew now says "a few cool years don't mean anything" we meant global *climate change* all along. It might be cooler, too.I
I guess science should follow the winds of public opinion. But there's those damn facts in the way:
FACT: Earth's climate is always changing. I learned this in grade school back in the 60's. This is hard science. So, fluctuations are not new.
FACT: there is no "ideal" temperature/climate for the earth. At various times Illinois was a tropical paradise AND other times parts were buried under a mountain of ice. Which should be be? These changes were before man was around and discovered fire.
FACT: The causes of the changing climate are many and varied. But given the fact it has been going on since before people, climate change has not been people driven in the history of the planet. Pollution is a problem, but its not causing polar bears to drop from the heat.
FACT: Politics is driving this. Period.
Remember Barry Obama has said we can't go on driving our SUV's, keeping our homes too warm or too cool and eating whatever we want. I smell an agenda. Can you visualize the USA as a 3rd world country? China and many other would-be producing nations are magically exempt from the Holy Grail of global warmingdom: The Kyoto Accords.
Look for lots of government control being put in to place because 'its for our own good' and is saving polar bears. And if not for us, then for the children.
If you still think my SUV and BBQ grill is setting the earth on a path to destruction, well, Algore and his kind have some 'carbon credits' to sell. Patronize their business! Either that or they will have to go back to selling Amway to pay the heating bills.
Thanks SCC for speaking up. The number of liberal trolls is rising due to the pub the blog got. Confronted with the truth, on this and other stuff, perhaps they will get into their hybrids and drive back home.
UNLESS YOU R SOME KIND OF SCIENTIST DONT SWEAT IT.
THE THEME IS TO POLLUTE LESS...
WORRY ABOUT CANCER AND FILTHY WATER.
The Libs only believe in "Science" when it serves their agendas. Anything contrary to their mantras is not science; it is heresy.
They are running their own Inquisition after the unbelievers.
The truly educated know that knowledge is power. The Libs want everyone to be weak of mind; to believe only what they tell you and accept all of their bullshit as fact, or else.
Don't you get it yet SCC?
When you disagree with liberals, you automatically become racist, bigoted, a dolt, or any other name from their vast arsenal of juvenile insults. He might as well have called you a poo poo head.
There is one fatal flaw in your argument: you are trying to use logic and reason on a liberal.
I, on the other hand, will be professing the effects of global warming to every lib-tard I know this winter when it's -30.
If you tell the Global Warming tale enough times people will take it on faith. Look at the Jesus story.
I, myself would like global warming. I could save a lot of money because I won't need a retirement place in Florida.
You Obama voting, Whole Foods shopping, Big nose Bill Maher watching dumb asses can do everything in your power and you still won't change our climate.
If you believe the Warming B.S. you really should be worried about China.
Dear SCC,
There is only one Second City Cop, just as there is only one Drudge Report. Stick to what you know and what made you great.
Thank you.
SCC said...
Man, your ASS must be read from the kicking we've been giving it. Thanks again for playing.
11/16/2008 05:41:00 AM
DUH! Your ASS must be "read" also because you can't spell RED!
But, OK, so YOU think "we don't know shit where the earth is concerned". Then it seems the intelligent thing to do is to at least listen to the science and err on the side of caution. Any other stance is simply irresponsible!
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To all you wanna be science buffs. The world in which we live is cyclic. There were ice ages and droughts and times of tropical bliss right here in Chicago. We-the poor assholes who are causing all this chaos-weren't even around to take credit for the changing environment. So stick with what you know...very little. The world will continue to change and there ain't shit we can do to stop it. Accept maybe kill more ignorant people. Does that seem extreme?
Mother Nature reins supreme. We're just filling time and space.
I think Al Gore is going to get another Nobel Peace Prize (by the way, what the hell does global warming have to do with peace?).
He has rid the earth of so many dangerous animals (cows, chickens, pigs, lambs) by eating them. We will never be threatened by them again.
Thanks, Al.
Anonymous said...
1.)Build small cars.
2.)Build Nuclear Power plants.
3.)Drill- And utilize every oil and gas resource available domestically.
4.)Coal is your friend, burn it and develop ways to make it cleaner.
5.) Continue research on hydrogen power
Wind and Solar are scams. They are prohibitevely expensive. Solar won't work anyways for most of the country (clouds). Even the wealthy radical lefties who promote them don't want windmills spoiling their views on Cape Cod or Malibu. They're attitude is that its good enough for the rubes in "flyover country".
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Thanks for chiming in, George W. but you've already screwed up the country enough. Go back to your ranch and stfu...Oh, and pick up a copy of "Spelling For Dummies" and study it, learn it, use it!!!!
EC
SSC THE EART HEATS UP WHEN SEISER GETS INTO THE SQUAD AND BEGINS HIS TOUR OF DUTY. ALL THAT ENERGY FROM ARRESTING AL THOSE CRIMINALS. SEISER IS ON FIRE.
Hey SCC
One thing you totally missed. If you look at the chart you displayed it shows only one area that temperatures are above normal. Just happens to be around D.C.. Go figure, it must be all the hot air coming out of the Capital building ya think?
These "unproven and unprofitable energy sources" are legit. Solar and wind is the energy of the future both environmentally and economically.
Keep pumping billions into the middle east and see what happens. You'll wind up with a rude awakening one day.
Wind and Solar are scams. They are prohibitevely expensive. Solar won't work anyways for most of the country (clouds).
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A f'n cloud isn't going to shut down a solar panel from gathering energy. read up on it. For energy strapped placed like California, wind and solar are the key.
Then it seems the intelligent thing to do is to at least listen to the science and err on the side of caution. Any other stance is simply irresponsible!
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So listen to both sides. Because the science of the past decade is backing up one side, and it isn't Al Gore's.
These "unproven and unprofitable energy sources" are legit. Solar and wind is the energy of the future both environmentally and economically.
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Not for another 50 years it ain't. Nuclear Power is the future. Fission now, fusion later. And best of all, it would require tens of thousands of those high paying Union jobs the democrats are always wanting to create. Here's their chance!
The earth is flat! Don't you know? Those damned liberals are spreading the rumor that the earth is round. Liberal leftist propaganda!
The only ice I need is for my whiskey. Fuck the polar bears, they don's look so harmless with their bloodied faces after eating seals on Discovery Channel. If we don't club the baby seals the polar bears will just eat them anyway. Yuppies can enjor their puuppy seal burgers and polar bear filet and all will be happy.
SCC, I think you are nuts on this issue. The world scientific community has stated greenhouse effect is real and potentially catastrophic. Only a lunatic fringe still denies it.
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Lunatic fringe? Then I guess a growing number of climate scientists are going stark, raving mad. Off with the lab coats! Straightjackets for all!
Actually one of the biggest lies...er...misconceptions in this mess is "The world scientific community has stated greenhouse effect is real and potentially catastrophic."
Climate change has been going on for as long as there has been a climate to change. Not everyone with a pocket protector is looking at the data and seeing a man-made monkey wrench. But... get the media on your side and the public will follow like sheep. Ask Barack Hussain Obama.
But, you might as well sign me up for the lunatic fringe for using some critical thinking. Its a new age, and liberals know better and will think for me.
I never liked the taste of Koolaid, either.
SCC, I think you are nuts on this issue. The world scientific community has stated greenhouse effect is real and potentially catastrophic. Only a lunatic fringe still denies it.
11/16/2008 10:27:00 AM
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Tip for today's bizaro world, everyone should read ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand...
Like all debates, both extremes are most likely wrong.
What's the responsible thing to do then? Simple; take a cautious, well thought out approach. No one can deny that pouring tons of greenhouse gasses out there and knocking up the planet isn't good for it, but running around with our heads cut off isn't a great course of action either.
We should *start* the move away towards cleaner and sustainable energy sources since it's just a good idea anyway. By pretty much everyone's admission here, nobody knows what's going on FOR SURE - that means maybe something huge, or maybe nothing. I don't know about you, but if it IS global warning, I don't want to be wrong. If it isn't, and we roll things out in a controlled fashion that doesn't cut our throats in the process, then we lose nothing.
The trick in all this is to do it all with brains - try not to kill jobs, and try not to kill obviously working energy ideas with ones that are ridiculously untenable. Gradual is the key. The crazy super liberal types are messed up and causing backlash, but the people who scream WHO CARES! are just as bad. Moderation folks.
Who cares. Beam me up Scottie !!!!!
One of the best classes I ever took in college was a meteorology course.
One thing I learned is that weather can only be forecast, not predicted, and long term climate change is anybody's guess, and geologic evidence of past events is only a guide.
As much of an "impact" the doomsdayers would have you believe we have on the earth, I would suggest that the earth gets the final say. And like any species that has inhabited this planet over its many billions of years, she can swat us off like a gnat at any time. And not because of the amount of carbon we've put into the air.
Al Gore is a dolt, but a smart one. That man stands to reap a windfall with all of the corporate "green" initiatives he is to become vested in. Not bad work. Sound the (false) alarm, and then reap a windfall on a green market that you've helped bring about.
That's good business sense. Create your own market, and get in at the beginning and out while the getting is good.
"The Libs want everyone to be weak of mind; to believe only what they tell you and accept all of their bullshit as fact, or else.
11/16/2008 11:14:00 AM"
As do the 'Cons'.
Professional liars, deceivers, manipulators and schemers always prefer their audiences to be less thoughtful.
They have no other philosophy than, "Where's mine and how can I get some?" and "What's in it for me?".
Both 'libs' and 'cons' sing the same tune, just in slightly different keys.
And neither truly have any respect for whatever religion they profess their faith in.
When was the last time any 'lib' or 'con', 'Democrat' or Republican' truly acted as if they valued 'doing unto others' as they would have 'others do unto' them?
If anything, even the most insistently religious actually practice Darwin's 'survival of the fittest' maxim.
It's what everyone, at the end of the day, defaults to, without fail.
It's just the mildly different methods that may lead one to think that there's a significant difference between the two.
SCC - you waste FAR too much time responding to this Liberal claptrap with actual facts!!
God bless you for thinking for yourself and educating yourself to the reality rather than swallowing the Liberal dogma.
Holy Freeze Your Ass Off Batman!!!
These due goobers are just trying to justify voting for the new AssHat in Washington with the global warming bullshit! Better start warming up to working two jobs to pay for other peoples' free medical care.
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Greenland was green 1100 years ago when the Vikings went there. Must have been a little warmer than now.
11/16/2008 07:30:00 AM
INCORRECT-
Iceland was the nice place to be, and was named such to keep people away.
Greenland? Well take a trip there and see it for yourself.
Dude layoff the Drudge report links. Micahel Asher, the author of the article, is not well respected in the climate control arena by either side of the argument. He's a complete joke.
Go here for a more accurate report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230302,00.html
or Noaa.gov
Now what is it about global warming that seems to set so many off that write here on this blog?
It is seemed to be made into a political issue championed by the hated "liberals." Jeez, Al Gore is in favor and he is a liberal, therefore bad and wrong and not to be trusted therefore the idea of global warming is also liberal, bad and wrong and not to be believed.
Good conservative Republicans do not believe in global warming it seems.
I first read about global warming as written by scientists with no overt political agenda. But maybe they are secretly in favor of abortion, gay marriage and doing something about global warming.
I don't get it. This has become a political issue, Republican vs. Democrat and that is not where the debate belongs, it is too important.
The written record of global weather is longer than many on this blog think. It goes back to the 1800's. Scientists can deduce weather patterns going back tens of thousands of years using core samples in glaciers and other techniques. I know, it is probably liberal gibberish, like the current economic meltdown, All caused by liberals and Democrats no doubt.
But what if, just what if, there is validity to the theory? Well, then we're fucked, that's what.
Either way, the idiots on CNN will be blaming the morons on Fox and back and forth it will go.
What does Rush say about it? Because I would believe that guy.
"What does Rush say about it? Because I would believe that guy.
11/16/2008 11:33:00 PM"
You shameless namedropper.
If you'd told us the truth, we would've told you to shove that red pill right up your ass.
Note the date? 2008. Note the seal? National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Note SCC has no direct link in this dissertation to the site where the "original" graphic came from. Is he/she/it afraid information found there might just contradict the conservative party line?
NBC during the half time of the Redskins vs Cowboys game had a special on global warming.
It stated:
Australia has a 12 year drought.
The snow on Mt Kilimanjaro is melting causing flooding on the people down below.
The Glaciers and ice caps are melting.
I'm not impressed by either side of the issue. I really don't give a fuck seeing as how I'll only be here 40 more years if I'm lucky.
Hey SCC, Check this out.
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/detect/ice-seaice.shtml
But, OK, so YOU think "we don't know shit where the earth is concerned". Then it seems the intelligent thing to do is to at least listen to the science and err on the side of caution. Any other stance is simply irresponsible!
Says Who?????And Why????
B-b-b-but Al Gore says it's true!
I'm not impressed by either side of the issue. I really don't give a fuck seeing as how I'll only be here 40 more years if I'm lucky.
11/17/2008 03:20:00 AM
Hopefully, you have been spayed or neutered.
"What does Rush say about it? Because I would believe that guy.
11/16/2008 11:33:00 PM"
Snerdly, tell them it is all a myth!
ElRushBo
Anonymous said...
B-b-b-but Al Gore says it's true!
11/17/2008 10:57:00 AM
Yes, Al also said he invented the internet. He also said "Love Story" was about Tipper and himself. Oh well, I'm off to go buy some more carbon offsets...
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