March of the Ignorant
- Nearly 100 teens marched outside Chicago police headquarters Thursday night to protest the department's plans to equip officers with semi-automatic rifles, saying the weapons could make the streets more dangerous.
Carrying signs like "Stop the War on Youth," teens said they didn't trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals.
"The only people who need these guns are in Iraq," said Arthur McGraw, 19, an organizer with the nonprofit Southwest Youth Collaborative, which organized the rally. "It'll shoot through brick, car doors. Say your family is in the house eating and there's some gang violence. When they shoot these [the bullets] can come into your house and shoot your kids."
That's happening already moron. And it isn't the police doing it. Ask the almost 500 dead people currently haunting the streets of Chicago.
If ignorance is bliss, this halfwit must be in jackass nirvana.
If ignorance is bliss, this halfwit must be in jackass nirvana.
Labels: gun issues, silly people
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Carrying signs like "Stop the War on Youth," teens said they didn't trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals.
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HOW ABOUT STOP THE WAR ON THE POLICE FIRST. A LITTLE ONE SIDED STORY ONCE AGAIN. DONT FORGET, THREE OFFICERS KILLED THIS YEAR SO FAR.
The rounds are designed to disintegrate upon impact. Tests conducted indicate that a .22 has more travel life than the rounds that CPD has chosen for the M4
So the police aren't trusted with high powered weapons, but any shithead can carry any ghetto-fabulous weapon of his choice. Pookie and Te-Te can carry an AK or Desert Eagle but the police can only have a 9mm.
This is the dumbest motherfucker on the planet... or the smartest, because we all know the libtards and anti-gun nuts will be behind this fine product of the public school system... a pillar of the community... and his irrefutable logic that only police kill people.
Last time I heard it was stray bullets from gang bangers' and drug dealers' guns shooting kids.
GFY McGraw
What can we say $hithead does not like any competition.
Another BHO In The Making I See
Same General March By The Medical & Honor Students Happened In Shitford A Short Time Ago.
They Put The Blame On Everybody & Everything Except One Thing
Yes, They were Not The Cause Of The Violence, Thuggery, Drug Slinging, Shootings Etc
To Our Pookies Here & The Grape Pop/Flaming Hot Cheeto Crowd Out Your Way In Shitcago, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Is Not Part Of Being A Human Being Maybe?
Now That's Ignorance For Sure.
Stay Safe Brothers & Sisters In Blue, Back Each Other Up ALWAYS
Nice Rescue By The Po's In that Fire The Other Day.It's Things Like This That Make The Job Worthwhile
Watch JPUD Try To Take The Credit On This.
OT. Rumor Has It That BHO Is Gonna Appoint Shortshanks Ambassordor To Country Of East Yahoo.
My Vote To Replace Him Is You SCC
SCC, I disagree with you. They are NOT ignorant. They are just plain deceitful. These kids are really NOT kids/teenagers. They are thugs, gang bangers, criminals, etc....
This is why all these idiot students are being fed to the fishes. They're walking around stoned at night thinking how can I
f**k over the Police,and they´re running into THE ghetto.
Keep depolicing around their schools,and the LAKE, screw´em...
What is McGraw's IR#? Oh, the reporter forgot to pull his sheet. Get back to us when you do, scoup.
Go Chalkie Go!
why arent they protesting in front of the gangbanger's/shottoer's houses or cha complex or apartment building??? last time i checked there were more casualties in chicago than in iraq this year
"The only people who need these guns are in Iraq"
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These morons forgot that more people have died in Chicago than in Iraq most months, sooo ya we need these guns here.
SCC, you're joking. Right?
Does this mean that Seiser runs the armory?
Read John Giduck's book, Terror at Beslan. It's about the Muslim takeover of a school in Russia, with the resulting week-long hostage situation and THREE HUNDRED STUDENTS DEAD.
In the analysis, Giduck suggests that Beslan was a rehearsal for a similar attack in the USA.
If I were a tango and looking for a school to take hostage, I wouldn't choose some rural area where half of the teachers have deer rifles in their pickup trucks and Ted Whackmaster Nugent would be picking up his kids after school. I wouldn't pick LA where the cops there have rifles, shotguns, and firearms training every week.
Oh, no. I'd pick some city with extended response times where the cops ride 99, half of the patrol cops are blowing their exempt boyfriends in the gym instead of being on the street available for calls, and where any POs who do show up have pistols and nothing more.
That's right: Chicago and NYC.
THAT, you little teenage dumbass needledick, is why we want rifles. So we can protect YOUR know-it-all ass!
The rounds are designed to disintegrate upon impact. Tests conducted indicate that a .22 has more travel life than the rounds that CPD has chosen for the M4
11/22/2008 12:22:00 AM
Ive seen the rounds in action the CPD has, first hand shot right through an iron fence post. Show me a .22 that can do that? I agree with thesse kids. Only HIGHLY trained SWAT needs these rifles.
It is these same liberal yuppies that when there is a man with a gun call want you to go right in and save the day. They dont care if you have a little hand gun and the guy has an assault rifle. These people are idiots and do not realize the realities of the street.
But if the police have "high-powered' weapons, Chicago could become a dangerous place. Why, you might even have murders ever so often.
"March of the Ignorant"
"...they didn't trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals.
"The only people who need these guns are in Iraq," said Arthur McGraw, 19, an organizer with the nonprofit Southwest Youth Collaborative..."
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I guess next time Arthur McGraw may need help from the police, he should call "the only people who need these guns" in Iraq.
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The war on youth? Please explain this one to me.
IF the police are waging a war on anyone, it is on the bad guys. If the bad guys are disproportionally young black males, that's your fault Mr. McGraw, not the police, not the city, not society.
Didn't you ever hear of personal responsibility... guess not.
Without a conspiracy you would have no excuse to act stupid. Without a hidden agenda (one that can't be proven either), you would have no excuse to "slang" rocks and carry a "gat".
When you grow up and mature Mr. McGraw (that's if a stray bullet from an officer's rifle doesn't take your life), maybe you'll realize the only conspiracy is being committed by liberals because without victims, liberals have no power.
Are the Traffic Management aides around the Barack-plaza packing M4's under their lime vests. Nice alloy mag wheels on the ISP cruiser. 12 minutes Kenwood to downtown, now thats hauling booty !
Shortshanks will have a special kingdom under Hussein Obama, it will be OZ #2, Shanks will be the Wizard and OZ#2 will be the country previously referred to as the U.S.A.
Then just let the little ungreatful Bastards protect themselves next time a shots fired call comes in and the offender has some Heavy Weaponry. Circle the wagons and wait for our bigger guns to arrive, and stay Low. If Joe College gets killed in the meantime, it's better than Us getting killed, as our Vests won't stop rifle rounds, ans we don't have Superior fire-Power, so who's the dummy if they rush in and get shot and killed for some ungreatful punk. We can only protect citizens if WE, First, are properly PROTECTED.... This Department needs CHANGE...We are behind the times.
"teens said they didn't trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals"?????
WTF...Does that mean they trust the gangs with them ?
As a gunowner in the Chicagoland area, I too would of supported these folks by helping them rally against arming the CPD with the AR15.
You all work and live in Gun Control Central of the Midwest.
Your politicans got all of those laws designed to protect the police and citizens in Chicago. Started in 1968.
You got the FOID from 196
you got the regisration requirements since 1968. I have some of the first documents for registration in Chicago.
Mayor Sr said at the time, this would make Chicago a better place to live.
Has it? Does it make your job easier? Does it protect the common joe, common homeowner?
Since 1968,
you gotten more laws to protect you.
Handgun regisration ban since 1982.
The ban of AR15s and such in the late 80s. So if they are banned for the common FOID holder in Chicago, why do you deserve them more so?
You got the safe storage laws, you have yearly registration too. So now you ask for more?
Why should any of you deserve such?
Till the laws change for common folks, you could feel what they feeel.
No rifle for you, not yours.
Same goes if they push for a Statewide ban, which comes from YOUR POLITICANS YOU ELECT IN CHICAGO. One of them was a former CPD who clammors for gun bans too.
Now if the laws were changed, or if gunowners saw more CPD fighting against gun laws, then things could change for the better, for all.
We didnt see you at the SAFR. We dont see you down at IGOLD.
So what have you done for the common gunowner?
Check the organization's promotional image for their "Hip Hop University". Look at the woman on the left at the edge of the dance floor - the one with the fully covered face under her burqua enjoying the "particular emphasis on the values of the Youth Liberation movement" http://www.swyc.org/UniversityofHipHop
If these peabrains had any common sense they would know that an M4 is much more accurate than a pistol. So that would make one think less possibility of an civilian catching a stray.
lets breakdown the 100 protesters. 25 probably had weed on their person. 100 have been printed and photographed in a police facility in the city of chicago. at least half have children out of wedlock. 90 are welfare financed. 15 may actually graduate high school by 18 yrs of age. 30 are convicted felons. 15 have been arrested and convicted of crimes against person via use of a deadly weapon. you are god damn right i would like to carry an m4-- it is to protect me and my family from these 100 assholes who were marching in front of 3510 s michigan.
are high powered weapons really that common or is it mostly hand guns on the streets?
Bad news for Arthur McGraw, .223 rounds will never shoot through bricks, or most car doors. It simply isnt going to happen. Arthur, get the facts straight before shooting off that mouth. The city picked this caliber/rifle to maybe give an officer some range and better cartridge capacity over a handgun. Few will have the rifle anyway due to red tape. Try bitching about a lack of police hiring, allowing gangbangers to run wild through most areas of the city. This will become more pronounced as more officers retire. Think about that, Mr. McGraw. Are you related to McGruff, the crime dog ?
Speaking of high pwered rifles, deer season opened in Wisconsin today. I bought a sweet little Marlin lever action 30-30, but found the scope fired 18 inches left, and it took 5 rounds to zero it in. At 25 cents a pop, that's no small deal. When are you guys going to do something about getting us retirees a better cost of living raise?
Anonymous said...
The rounds are designed to disintegrate upon impact. Tests conducted indicate that a .22 has more travel life than the rounds that CPD has chosen for the M4
11/22/2008 12:22:00 AM
Ive seen the rounds in action the CPD has, first hand shot right through an iron fence post. Show me a .22 that can do that? I agree with thesse kids. Only HIGHLY trained SWAT needs these rifles.
11/22/2008 09:09:00 AM
Read the statement DUMB ASS!!! He is talking about distance..... Not what it can pierce..... STFU you jagbag! No one asked fo a stupid ass like yourself to offer your uneducated opinion!
Anonymous said...
are high powered weapons really that common or is it mostly hand guns on the streets?
11/22/2008 06:02:00 PM
They are out there....Unfortunatly, the thugs don't register them to actually give us an accurate count. Try to count the different locations you hear them being discharged on New Years EVE or just any given night in Englewood. Lets have those 100 losers who have united walk the south or west side on New Years Eve between 145 pm to about 1230 am carrying clip boards to try to get an acurate count. Sounds like a job opportunity for them, oh wait, they will probably be getting high, drunk and discharging their own unregistered firearms at that time........
TO the "...gunowner in the Chicagoland area who would of supported these...100 teen protesters..."
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DUDE! I'm not sure if you are trying to be facetious or if you really are this incredibly STUPID! I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess that your comments are tongue-in-cheek.
Am I to believe that as we police officers are protecting the citizens of Chicago, you believe that it is acceptable and even required of us to be outgunned?
Do you, in your misguided brain, think that polititions pass laws and/or weapons bans at the request or suggestion of the local police?
I feel your frustration, brother, but you are truly focusing you anger at the wrong profession. The function of the police is simply to enforce the laws enacted by lawmakers. WE already know that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns!
But I can't believe that a conservative, law and order gun guy like yourself, thinks that the police DESERVE to be outgunned by the criminals, perhaps paying for it with their lives!!!
And you believe all this because the Chicago Mayor has gun laws in place? WOW!!! Sometimes guys like you scare us more than the criminals! At least the criminals don't try to fool us into thinking they are law abiding citizens...we always know what to expect from them! You though...NOT SO MUCH!!!
You guys can't be trusted with pepper spray. Why on earth would you think you deserve high powered rifles?
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Now if the laws were changed, or if gunowners saw more CPD fighting against gun laws, then things could change for the better, for all.
We didnt see you at the SAFR. We dont see you down at IGOLD.
So what have you done for the common gunowner?
11/22/2008 04:07:00 PM
You need to move out of mom and dad's basement. The world has changed since 1968, come up and take a look.
So the police aren't trusted with high powered weapons, but any shithead can carry any ghetto-fabulous weapon of his choice. Pookie and Te-Te can carry an AK or Desert Eagle but the police can only have a 9mm.
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No Chicago cop has ever been killed by a desert eagle. No Chicago cop has ever been killed by an AK 47. Two cops have been murdered in cold blood in the last two years, both unsolved. Why not concentrate on doing things toward solving those crimes rather than always crying about being outgunned all the time? Shit, bring the clearance rate up to 50% for murders and I'll be in favor of giving everyone a damned M-60.
Mr. McGraw has a decent little rap sheet going. If you have the means, I recommend that you check it out. Seems like he is basically your standard Englewood resident.
"You guys can't be trusted with pepper spray. Why on earth would you think you deserve high powered rifles?
11/22/2008 09:23:00 PM"
How about making that 'you guys can't be trusted at all' and, then, we'll make it 'don't call us, we'll call you'?
How many of these kids have parents with the same last name. Some of them just live at there Grandma's house.
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No Chicago cop has ever been killed by a desert eagle. No Chicago cop has ever been killed by an AK 47. Two cops have been murdered in cold blood in the last two years, both unsolved. Why not concentrate on doing things toward solving those crimes rather than always crying about being outgunned all the time? Shit, bring the clearance rate up to 50% for murders and I'll be in favor of giving everyone a damned M-60.
11/22/2008 09:29:00 PM
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Once again, a non-officer posting who knows nothing about policing.
I'll say this slow so you learn... murders are investigated by detectives. They are follow-up investigators and are not first responders. They are not the ones who need or will receive the advanced weaponry.
The street cops who are on the firing line and ride into the shootings and gang violence are the ones who will have these weapons available to them. Their responsibility is keeping a lid on things.
Through some miracle, an officer has yet to have been shot or killed by an AK-47 or Desert Eagle, but sadly, with "support" of jags like you out there, you may be getting what you want soon enough, ASSHOLE!!! This is an officer safety issue, nothing more.
We understand we have chosen a dangerous career...YOU need to understand, however, that we have just as much right to be alive at the end of our workday, as does anyone else...maybe, more!
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this is the gunowner from Chicagoland again,
There were some insults thrown,
but lets face facts.
We do not see you supporting SAFR, we dont see you down at IGOLD.
WE do not see your union, or FOP sending out press releases against gun control laws.
When they call for these bans, you see numerous police line up behind the politicans when they call for these bans for the TV/press coverage.
But you are in Gun control Central for the midwest.
Why dont we see you all out there, calling for the removal of this racist gun control laws? We see support from SCC on here, but not on the front lines fighting this stuff.
Is it maybe because your afriad you loose your broken down-underfunded pension if you spoke up? That you wont get a promotion if you speak up for self defense?
But relish in the laws your enforce. BE the one to follow those laws, because your a citizen first, cop second.
If gun bans work for your neighbors, and you will enforce them on them,,,,
then its good enough for you.
If your neighbor cannot own one, or legally CCW, why should you? Why should CPD allow to carry if the streets are so scary, and not for the guy who is trying to earn a living working late at night?
When your taking off the uniform, then leave the badge and gun at the station.
Live at home without any firearm protection, just like the citizens do in your town.
And I know folks will say, "police protect you"
But that is false. No police officer is responsible for my wellbeing.
If I call 911 for help, and you fail to show up, anything happens I cannot sue the state for damages. There has been numerous court cases thruout the country that prove that. Police are there to protect the general wellbeing of society, but your own personal security is up to you.
But you have gun laws in Chicago that stop folks from legally using tools, and the right of self defense using those tools.
You have CPD that goes after folks who failed to register with the city.
And why would you be afriad of a conservative gunowner?
I dont drive a implala, I dont have spinners on my whip.
I dont have my pants hanging off my ass, or live the "thug life"
I look like everyone else. I just blend into the background.
Anonymous said...
No Chicago cop has ever been killed by a desert eagle. No Chicago cop has ever been killed by an AK 47. Two cops have been murdered in cold blood in the last two years, both unsolved. Why not concentrate on doing things toward solving those crimes rather than always crying about being outgunned all the time? Shit, bring the clearance rate up to 50% for murders and I'll be in favor of giving everyone a damned M-60.
11/22/2008 09:29:00 PM
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No, but innocent civilians have.
Why not criticize McGraw's inability to see the real problem and his misguided attack on the police?
Maybe he should be concentrating on the people who are responsible for the 500+ murders instead of the only people who are actually trying to make a difference?
Why isn't he marching in front of a drug dealer's house telling him he doesn't need guns?
Why isn't he telling the gang bangers to stop their war on youth?
My response was to McGraw's profoundly ignorant opposition to police getting equipped with weapons comparable to what's found in the street, which only invalidates your opinion that police should keep using pea-shooters against bazookas and concentrate on solving murders.
If you can suggest how the police solve murders when there is no evidence, are no witnesses, or witnesses that refuse to cooperate, or witnesses that are threatened by the offenders and their families and change their minds about cooperating, and everyone in the ghetto follows the "code" of not snitching and talking to the police, please enlighten us because the police need all the help they can get.
I know... maybe we should call in a CSI and he or she can solve the murder and find the killer with a microscopic speck of blood in 43 minutes without commercials... because solving crime is just that easy!
Crying about being outgunned... well excuse the the fuck out of the police if they want a fighting chance when the bad guys are shooting at them. Some of us would rather not curl up in the fetal position when the bullets are flying, but it sounds like you wouldn't understand that.
Anonymous said...
Carrying signs like "Stop the War on Youth," teens said they didn't trust police with the high-powered weapons and worried gangs would be encouraged to bolster their own arsenals.
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Newsflash for McGraw....gangs already have bolstered their arsenals. That's why the cops need them too.
Anonymous said...
The rounds are designed to disintegrate upon impact. Tests conducted indicate that a .22 has more travel life than the rounds that CPD has chosen for the M4
11/22/2008 12:22:00 AM
Ive seen the rounds in action the CPD has, first hand shot right through an iron fence post. Show me a .22 that can do that? I agree with thesse kids. Only HIGHLY trained SWAT needs these rifles.
11/22/2008 09:09:00 AM
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For your edification, most center-fire rounds, both handgun and rifle, will blow through common building materials with the exception of brick. Most handgun rounds, but not all, will be stopped by that material.
Since long guns (both shotguns and rifles) are inherently more accurate, due to a longer sight radius and having three points of contact instead of two, as with a pistol, which would you want the police to be using?
To All CPD Officers,
While you might think this is a joke, or perhaps from a troll, it is not. I extend an invitation to you to leave CPD and come work for the PD here in Memphis, TN.
While we have a joke for a mayor like you do, we only have 13 idiots as city council members, instead of the 50 aldercreatures you have to contend with.
Our Director is just as big a baffoon as J-Fed and loved just as much by us as you love J-Fed.
However, we do have a few advantages.
First, Tennessee has no income tax. We also don't have silly taxes like your water tax. You won't have to live inside the city limits, just in the same county. While city schools are no better than what you have in CPS, the county schools are still excellent.
Secondly, we don't believe in being out-gunned. Every patrolman/woman qualifies with our standard issue shotgun, the Remington 870. Every squad car is issued an 870 for patrol, no matter whether it is a one-man or a two-man car. The ammo is 00 Buckshot. After probation, you can volunteer to go through the training, when they put on a new class, so that you can carry slugs, back-up guns and an AR-15. Our duty handguns are Sig-Sauer P-229R weapons, .40 S&W caliber. There is no pre-requisite to be able to volunteer to get slug or back-up gun qualified. The only pre-requisite to be trained on the AR-15 is that you have shot expert with your duty handgun and be recommended by your supervisor as someone who is level-headed. I guess the last part is for those few that all of us know that probably shouldn't be trusted with a squirt-gun.
Getting into a lateral class isn't that hard, as we are hurting for good officers like most everyone else is.
So, come on down. We'd love to have experienced officers.
We didnt see you at the SAFR. We dont see you down at IGOLD.
So what have you done for the common gunowner?
11/22/2008 04:07:00 PM
I saw you.
To 11/22/2008 06:02:00 PM
Answer your own question by taking in the sights on the South and West sides night after night.
Anonymous said...
Newsflash for McGraw....gangs already have bolstered their arsenals. That's why the cops need them too.
11/23/2008 04:22:00 AM
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He knows that, but it wouldn't benefit his "war on the police" march to admit such logic.
Their propaganda takes the focus off the real issues and professes the police and government as the true source of their problems.
Keep up the good work McGraw! Alienate the only people that are willing to risk their lives for yours.
It is easier to get "high-powered weapons" than it is to get detectives to work.
No Chicago cop has ever been killed by a desert eagle. No Chicago cop has ever been killed by an AK 47. Two cops have been murdered in cold blood in the last two years, both unsolved. Why not concentrate on doing things toward solving those crimes rather than always crying about being outgunned all the time? Shit, bring the clearance rate up to 50% for murders and I'll be in favor of giving everyone a damned M-60.
Anonymous said...
this is the gunowner from Chicagoland again,
There were some insults thrown,
but lets face facts......
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Let me throw in my two cents on this subject.
You have some valid points. All citizens, who are not convicted felons or mentally incapable of responsible ownership/prohibited by law, should be able to not only own a firearm but be able to carry it for their defense.
However, your anger and frustration is being mis-directed. The police you see lined up behind the politicians at their news conferences is sometimes a volunteer, who has an elitist attitude, but in most cases is ordered to be there.
As for organizations like the FOP, they have come out for the right of citizens to own and carry firearms for lawful purposes. However, they don't always have information about certain events. Also, sometimes the leaders of our organizations don't always represent what the rank-and-file want. That's why we have elections from time to time. I suggest that the organizers of the events you named, if they haven't done so already, contact the leaders of the FOP in the area and try to get them onboard. If they refuse, post it here for the officers to know what their representatives told you was the reason they wouldn't get behind the idea.
As for whether the recent ruling in federal court concerning gun ownership will filter down anytime soon to places like Chicago or NYC, with their Sullivan law, only time will tell. With Obama coming into office, I wouldn't count on the Justice Dept. making it a high priority to investigate the city or state for violating your rights in this area.
Just know this. Your average, everyday, working cop isn't afraid of lawful citizens owning and using firearms, are not unhappy when the good guy plugs the bad guy for a change and are willing to work with anyone to make us all safer.
Three CPD officers killed so far this year. About 50 Agg Batts to the police give or take. 500 murders so far and still rising. Wake up you fucking liberal morons. We're at war! You should see the respect for the police these days; there is none! You should see the fire power and guns we're getting off the street out of the hands of reckless savages. Sawed Off shotguns, fully automatic assualt rifles, hand guns with extended clips, cop killer bullets, gernades, pipe bombs. To all you idiot sign holding marchers. GO FUCK YOURSELF!
Anyone wondering where the funding is coming from for these protests.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1060495,CST-NWS-watchdog17.article
Board of Ed also, and I'm betting CAPS funds somewhere, somehow... I'll let you know when I find that inevitable funding source.
I rather be caught with it than dead without. If one of those rifles helps during a bad situation, then it is worth it. Just because a copper hasn't been killed by one doesn't mean someone hasn't tried. So go F youirself. And for the gun owner, thats what happens when you and your fellow Chicagoans vote for Democrats against the second amendment. We have enough problems for ourselves than trying to ensure your gun rights. Frankly, I think you should have them, but hey keep voting these liberals in an dwhat do you expect. And heres a hint, half these idiots lose their guns because they domesticate with their old lady or let their crackhead kid show it off.
Stop gang-banging, carring guns, and shooting at the police. But, that will never happen.
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