No More Chases for ISP
Seems the Illinois State Police have joined the ranks of 21st Century policing. The Tribune covers the big change:
- Illinois State Police say the high-speed crash of a trooper's cruiser that killed two Collinsville sisters last year has prompted dramatic policy changes.
State Police Director Larry Trent announced Friday troopers must follow a four-tiered response system that limits how fast they can drive.
Under the first level, called a "code one," troopers are limited to following traffic laws. Officers operating under codes two and three can drive faster than the speed limit, but must call a supervisor before exceeding 20 miles over the speed limit.
And only supervisors can issue a "code red," directing troopers to drive as fast as necessary, with no limit, State Police Lt. Scott Compton said. Those cases will later be reviewed by a committee, he said.
Limit liability at all costs. Including not being able to enforce any sort of speeding laws since they won't be able to get permission to exceed 75 mph in enough time to catch up to someone doing 100-plus mph. For some reason, we see Illinois highways becoming closer and closer to DeathRace 2000 now.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
58 Comments:
Why would ISP need to chase a speeder? The way the state looks at it is this: One big lawsuit and you can probably kiss several months of revenue generation goodbye. Instead, hammer the good citizen that may speed but isn't reckless and pays his fines. Besides I've heard from a few different people now about the tickets generated in construction zones that are piling up fines as high as $300-$500 for speeding in work zones. The kicker...an ADDITIONAL $200 fee FOR COURT COSTS!!! Haven't seen the ticket first hand but have heard several stories from friends about their family/cowokers getting hammered like this.
Nothing will change until the pubic decides that the crime of driving at a reckless rate of speed that endangers the public is a CRIME, and that this CRIME, committed by an OFFENDER, usually after committing some other CRIME, should be punished.
The focus, for some reason, is pointed toward law enforcement response to this CRIME instead of where it belongs; with the CRIMINAL who is committing the CRIME.
Now that we're all in this tough financial fix, the citizens should realize that paying CRIMINALS huge amounts of TAX DOLLARS for committing these CRIMES is no longer acceptable.
OK, I've been drinking. That makes too much sense and will never happen in the County of Crook, State of Illinois, City of Chicago.
I'll just turn myself in for being somewhat inebriated while on my own time.
Another example on how this city, county, state and national governments are giving this country away to the criminal element and the fringe wings of society.
If a Sgt is going to be reviewed, no matter what after issuing a Code Red, will there ever be a Code Red authorized?
Tell that to the rural farmer downstate who is being victimized and his trooper was constrained in how fast he got to the scene.
well, that's it, the criminals have finally won. the animals have taken over the zoo. good luck civillians you are on you own, nothing we can do for you anymore. all a murderer or rapist needs to do is drive over 75mph and we will not be allowed to go after them. good luck illinois.
Its over for the ISP. Supervisors will never take the kind of heat that will be flashed up their ass if somebody is killed. Its a shame ISP has gone this route. Their job is totally different from CPD's. In 26 years, I've never seen a CPD chase/crash that was worth it. ISP on the other hand, polices highways and rural areas. They need speed and are generally competent, rural guys.
Hang on tight ISP. This is the long downhill spiral CPD has been in for years. Remember: "Right, is wrong. Wrong is Right!" Just keep repeating this until you believe....Luv, the Management!
YEAH,AND STAY OUT OF THE CARPOOL LANE!
SCC,
I see your point, but you have to admit that the trooper that killed those two girls was a fucking idiot and deserves to go to jail. The second poster is correct, these fucking knuckleheads racing down the highways should go to jail. How about one day in the slammer for every mph over twenty over?
Put wood blockers under the gas pedals in cars. Therefore they can't go fast anymore.
OT, but a late post from yesterday!
Is it just me, or do you have an urge to migrate to Tennessee?
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Anonymous said...
To All CPD Officers,
While you might think this is a joke, or perhaps from a troll, it is not. I extend an invitation to you to leave CPD and come work for the PD here in Memphis, TN.
While we have a joke for a mayor like you do, we only have 13 idiots as city council members, instead of the 50 aldercreatures you have to contend with.
Our Director is just as big a baffoon as J-Fed and loved just as much by us as you love J-Fed.
However, we do have a few advantages.
First, Tennessee has no income tax. We also don't have silly taxes like your water tax. You won't have to live inside the city limits, just in the same county. While city schools are no better than what you have in CPS, the county schools are still excellent.
Secondly, we don't believe in being out-gunned. Every patrolman/woman qualifies with our standard issue shotgun, the Remington 870. Every squad car is issued an 870 for patrol, no matter whether it is a one-man or a two-man car. The ammo is 00 Buckshot. After probation, you can volunteer to go through the training, when they put on a new class, so that you can carry slugs, back-up guns and an AR-15. Our duty handguns are Sig-Sauer P-229R weapons, .40 S&W caliber. There is no pre-requisite to be able to volunteer to get slug or back-up gun qualified. The only pre-requisite to be trained on the AR-15 is that you have shot expert with your duty handgun and be recommended by your supervisor as someone who is level-headed. I guess the last part is for those few that all of us know that probably shouldn't be trusted with a squirt-gun.
Getting into a lateral class isn't that hard, as we are hurting for good officers like most everyone else is.
So, come on down. We'd love to have experienced officers.
11/23/2008 05:20:00 AM
Tell that to the rural farmer downstate who is being victimized and his trooper was constrained in how fast he got to the scene.
11/23/2008 06:52:00 AM
In most of the counties outside the 7 county Chicago area, the police are few and VERY far between. That's why people have guns - for self protection. But wait until the "The One" (the Antichrist) and Satan's jackals Pelosi, Reid and Frank get started on restricting guns, adding a buck a round tax on ammo, etc.
Here's the New Dummocrat/Hollywood Agenda:
Glorify the welfare abusers, the gangsters, the murderers, the drug dealers, the crooked politicians, the perverts and the greedy corporate thieves. Make the cops and the common working church-going citizens criminals. (Let them cling to their guns and religion.) Buy gold folks, and prepare for a terrifying Depression.
The autobahn in most of rural Germany, has no speed limit.
The autobahn also has a lower accident rate than the U.S. highways.
On the autobahn, the polizei (police), enforce the laws regarding right-of-way. No passing on the left, all highspeed traffic uses the left lane, and slower cars HAVE to move out of the way for the faster car.
Best time driving, I've ever had.
The ISP is now a pussy police department just like CPD is........how sad!
"Nothing will change until the pubic decides that the crime of driving at a reckless rate of speed that endangers the public is a CRIME, and that this CRIME, committed by an OFFENDER, usually after committing some other CRIME, should be punished....
OK, I've been drinking. That makes too much sense and will never happen in the County of Crook, State of Illinois, City of Chicago."
In all seriousness, my advice is to keep drinking. You are the first person I've ever seen on this blog who has had a coherent string of thoughts and posted something that actually made sense while being sh1tfaced at 4am. Most of the overnight posters here are drunken nitwits who can't spell their own names correctly on a case report or know the difference between there, their and they're when they are sober.
Excellent post. I completely agree with you.
Cheers.
Police departments nationwide are slowly being castrated by politicians looking to appease their political base. They have lost all sight of what they are doing to public safety. In the ISP case, they should punish the officer who caused the fatal crash which killed the two sisters. Responding to the scene of a minor injury crash at 126mph is seriously stupid and shows an extreme lack of judgment on the troopers part. Perhaps he should lose his job, but to punish the entire department for the actions of one is totally unacceptable.
Ha ! The kids on the crotch rocket bikes will love this... not that they ever stop for the police anyway. Sure, just turn the expressways into race-track free for all zones. We are slowly hurling toward a mad max society...
Even the news paper called the decision DRAMATIC, hey ISP Director ever heard of training instead of putting troopers in a trick bag while performing their duties. I sooooo sick of these desk jockeys making policies on the working police when they are in a safe place behind a desk and this policy will never effect them. FOP Nation Wide needs to start taking legal actions against these policies, it is open season on the police and no one has our back not even the FOP. FOP should demand that these Desk Jockeys put on a vest, strap on a duty belt, and work the streets on a regular basis and see what the pulse of the streets are and then set policies to reflect the times.
Okay. Just how are they going to catch someone doing 80+ mph for a speeding ticket? Speed limit is 55...
Welcome to the big leagues. The felonious speeder will no longer be a bird of prey. Enjoy the lawsuits of you break the rules. You too can be like the CPD and jam up the guy that has a license and insurance and decides to stop when he or she sees the lights coming up from behind.
Once again, the shitbird who probably has the gun or a load of dope in the car walks away at the expense of the good tax paying citizen. The liberal dog strikes again.
Looks like the State Police need a work slowdown. Learn from the best. Do nothing. Its much more rewarding and you will feel more like a democrat when you look at your paycheck. MONEY FOR NOTHING.
well, that's it, the criminals have finally won. the animals have taken over the zoo. good luck civillians you are on you own, nothing we can do for you anymore. all a murderer or rapist needs to do is drive over 75mph and we will not be allowed to go after them. good luck illinois.
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i agree. what if troop is trying to put a stop on a car for traffic but the unknown offender to him is really a homicide offender with the weapon in the car. good grief chuck.
If you speed (10-15 mph over)on state roads/tollways you will get stopped and receive a ticket and pay a fine. Thats cash for the state.
When you get caught and the Trooper turns on his lights the thing to do is hit the gas. The faster you run the better chance you have of getting away, the faster you go the less chance of a "code red".
Gov. Blago gets money from little speeders, big speeders get away. I drive into work every night on the Kennedy thru work zones and as I do 45 mph I am passed by S/B drivers doing 60-80 MPH thru the work zones. The Troopers are sitting every 1/2 mile with lights on and not ever making a move to stop and ticket anyone. The idea is to squeeze the little guy out of money and don't touch the reckless driver.
By the way is the Little Boy Gov. still carrying his 10 years old daughter around with him at news conferences to use as his shield. Hey Gov. Shithead, she is getting a little too big to carry, be carefulf, the DCFS will be coming after you. You fucking wierdo.
Why bother chasing anyone anyway? just another way to get sued and making the trail lawyers rich!
Why chase anyone anymore? It puts the officer at risk too. Put in your time and collect a nice pension. That's what the job has become. What the public wants the public gets......
what a shame. it's over. the shitheads have won.
As I recall, the ISP called off a chase a couple years ago involving two guys who later that day attempted to rob bank downstate, resulting in the death of the sherrif.
damned if you do...
Incredible! What's wrong with everybody. Constantly tieing the hands of the police. Welcome to the pussy police century. Bad guys get in the car, for no matter what the crime and they go free; plain and simple.
75% of chases might start off as "just traffic" but we all know in almost 99.99% of the time it's always something more. nobody in Chicago runs for traffic. just another fine example of how the decision makers have no fucking clue.
Becomming Death Race 2000???
The Chicago Expressways is where thay got the idea for Death Race 2000.
There is no enforced speed limit. They pass you on the shoulder all day long. They even use the exit and entrance ramps to pass you.
They have the god given right to be in front of the car in front of them. Even if it kills someone else.
The only time you will ever see a CODE RED called will be when they think the individual driving the vehicle is a policeman.
And that's a guarantee. Catch the cop at all costs. He must be brought to justice.
" TOM CRUISE" WILL BE MONITORING THE ISP FOR THOSE SUPERVISORS "ISP" THAT ORDER A "CODE RED" ( A FEW GOOD MEN)
You the police are the true criminals,there really is no crime in this state.All arrestee's are innocent victims of racism and your want of numbers and to keep your unnecessary jobs.Unfortunately this is what the general population believes..so good luck.
"If a Sgt is going to be reviewed, no matter what after issuing a Code Red, will there ever be a Code Red authorized?"
Didn't Col. Jessup order a Code Red which led to the early demise of Private Santiago?
Anonymous said...
The autobahn in most of rural Germany, has no speed limit.
The autobahn also has a lower accident rate than the U.S. highways.
On the autobahn, the polizei (police), enforce the laws regarding right-of-way. No passing on the left, all highspeed traffic uses the left lane, and slower cars HAVE to move out of the way for the faster car.
Best time driving, I've ever had.
11/23/2008 11:40:00 AM
Drivers in Germany are much better trained than in the US and in general obey the traffic laws to a higher degree than here.
One thing, I wonder if the police in Germany have a chance of keeping their job if caught DUI.
"So, come on down. We'd love to have experienced officers.
11/23/2008 05:20:00 AM"
You forgot to mention the costs of living and pay rates.
OUR SYMPATHY GO OUT TO THE ISP. HOLD ON BECAUSE THE RIDE HAS JUST BEGUN. UNKNOWN PERSON FLEEING THE SCENE OF A CLASS X FELONY AND EXCEEDS THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT. YOU SHOULD JUST LET THEM GO. WHAT A FUCKING JOKE. NEXT YEAR ILLINOIS WILL BE THE MURDER CAPITAL.
NO MORE TICKETS FOR HONEST CITIZENS WHO PULL OVER AFTER EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT ACTIVATION. STOP FUCKING THEN HONEST HARD WORKING PEOPLE, WHILE THE CRIMINALS ARE ALWAYS GIVEN A PASS FOR BEING DIRTY. THIS COUNTRY IS FUCKED!
ISP just answer your assigned calls, complete necessary reports, back each other up, STAY SAFE and collect your pay. Let the bosses answer questions about the high death rate and increased violence on the highways later.
The troopers can't chase now. most ISP cars are well over 200,000
miles and no relief in sight. The cars are falling apart right under the troopers, and they can not get decent repairs due to budget problems.
Its funny though, right before the last govs election, he got his pets downstate to pass a special "fee" on certain violations to pay for about 500 new cars a year, and all that money has disapeared.
Where are the newhounds on this???
i have a question for all you guys who like car chases
how does one safely stop a pursued vehicle using another vehicle?
if you can answer that then I will be pro police chase
Try driving towards the loop from the Southside without a drunk driver on one side and a car full of gang bangers on the other. Meanwhile, Trooper boy has a semi-truck pulled over to check weight.
Looks like the State Police need a work slowdown. Learn from the best. Do nothing. Its much more rewarding and you will feel more like a democrat when you look at your paycheck. MONEY FOR NOTHING.
11/23/2008 03:02:00 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA STOP IT! YOU ARE KILLING ME!
Don't forget to say 'HUH'? What did you do today to serve the community? Reply: 'HUH'.
This is ma cuzins ca uhuh.
"So, come on down. We'd love to have experienced officers.
11/23/2008 05:20:00 AM"
You forgot to mention the costs of living and pay rates.
$36,866 in the academy
top pay of $51,500 after 3 years.
Housing: 44% less
Groceries:12% less
Utilities:25% less
Health care; 8% less
Per CNN COL calculator, $56K there is the same as $73.5K in Chicago.
Plus lower taxes, bigger house for money, quality of life, etc.
"Drivers in Germany are much better trained than in the US and in general obey the traffic laws to a higher degree than here.
11/23/2008 09:40:00 PM"
Sounds like they better be.
Thanks for the support. Our command is killing us. Each day we are required to report/log each thing we do every second of the day. We now have a computer program which requires us to log everything which is reviewed twice a month. Everything we do is on video and gets looked at all the time by our boss. He doesnt have a choice seeing he has to log reviews and send it up the chain too. Now we lay our head on the block each time we drive over the speed limit. Even worse for me seeing I at times will be the one who decides what responce code is approved. Wonder how long until that gets rammed up my ass. Sad days my friends. After 20 years I just want out and hope I make it. I use to be worried about getting run over by a bus or shot by some fuck...which I USE TO love to mess with each day. Now I am just watching my back trying to keep my own from putting one in me. When the public finally starts to cry and wants the crazy shit to end maybe I will fire back up. With the rules we have now Im just here to clean up the mess. Be safe! ISP Sgt
There have been a whole series of incidents (not just ISP) where police speeding when it was unnecessary has caused loss of life or injury to Innocent citizens.
Once in a blue moon the "get there at all costs" approach is appropriate, but it is very rare.
The few cops that constantly violated common sense and safe driving are the ones responsible for this policy.
Responding to the scene of a minor injury crash at 126mph is seriously stupid and shows an extreme lack of judgment on the troopers part. Perhaps he should lose his job, but to punish the entire department for the actions of one is totally unacceptable.
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he ought to lose a lot more than his job.
This new policy covers troopers responding to calls only. They will still be permitted to speed in order to take enforcement action on observed violators.
Besides I've heard from a few different people now about the tickets generated in construction zones that are piling up fines as high as $300-$500 for speeding in work zones. The kicker...an ADDITIONAL $200 fee FOR COURT COSTS!!! Haven't seen the ticket first hand but have heard several stories from friends about their family/cowokers getting hammered like this.
You obviously haven't seen any highway construction zone fatalities first-hand, dumbass. Simple solution: tell yourself and your brain-dead friends not to speed in a construction zone.
"if you can answer that then I will be pro police chase
11/23/2008 10:37:00 PM"
The judicious use of Jello.
Lots and lots of Jello.
i have a question for all you guys who like car chases
how does one safely stop a pursued vehicle using another vehicle?
if you can answer that then I will be pro police chase
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Since you know all the answers what do you suggest we do, let every criminal go if they run? If that was the case I might just qiut my job and rob banks for a living. If all I had to do to get away was drive 80mph no one would ever catch me.
This new policy covers troopers responding to calls only. They will still be permitted to speed in order to take enforcement action on observed violators.
11/24/2008 10:27:00 AM
Would you be willing to test that theory out with a policy such as this on the books if you just wreck let alone kill somebody trying to catch up to a violator?
Not me.
One thing the ISP had over CPD was the ability to "follow" a car, who fled from CPD, ANYWHERE! I would hear your supervisor come on the air "Uh xx-10, tell xx-12 to terminate". Me, I'd keep going. Why? Because I could! You were trying to stop him for a reason. I'm not going to let him go. UNLESS it was a safety issue. I'd run out to Westmont, Oak Park, Skokie, Dolton, Harvey, or Mokena after a car that fled from CPD. We had a great working relationship. Now, I'm fucked.
I have to keep my camera on when I'm running to a call. I can drive fast to catch up to a seatbelt violator, but not for someone needing help. If I crash, I'm toast! Remember, 45 mph in the local lanes of the worlds deadliest e-way - The Dan Ryan. That means no faster than 75 -ever! 75 mph on the Ryan? HA!!
My MSGT just told me there will never be a code red granted. NEVER. Hmm. So, if you need immediate serious help (10-1), keep waiting. No one coming for a long while. For us, that could be a death sentence. Were short now and barely covering patrols. Who's gonna come save us? We work alone. And to all the desk crews, tell our desk reports waiting it will be about 2 hrs before we get in. Rush hour traffic in Chicago is a bitch.
Bring back the "S" Curve!!!
ISP Road dawg here. 20 years on road. Watched us go to shit. Rules issued out the ass on me. ROC ( Rules of Conduct ) has almost doubled in size.
We don't pursure fleeing felons as you know. Video and audio are always on during a stop, motorist assist, and now on way to crash.
If you drive off when we try and stop you, we let you go. Command pats each other on the back and has a circle jerk they are so happy.
I've lately started to say that if an honest citizen is stupid enough to stop I write them a ticket. If the keep driving, nothing happens to them. I know of roadies that will not call in a traffic stop until the violator has actually stopped. Ops never knows if one drove away on road trooper. Gotta protect your butt with asshats and idiots.
Now I have to ask permission to exceed 20 mph over speed limit running lights and siren. If a feelow Troop is fighting for their life, or you guys at CPD need my ass when you're fighting for your life I have to obtain permission to run over 20 mph to you.
This is unbelievable. But then no it's not.
The committee who thought this up was filled with dipshits and dumbasses. Several were females who never drove fast to anything. One had 3 years on road. Admitted she never drove faster than 85 mph to any crash no matter what... lane blockage, trapped, fire, etc. Had a cow when riding with another trooper who hit median to chase a 90 mph and troop ran 120 to catch car before it go off road. Sha said she'd never been that fast in her career. Guess that's why her seat belt stats are huge and 11-601b are few and far between. One day she'll be movin on up to the east side with stripes.
I never thought I'd see the day when CPD would have it's nuts cut off. 20 years ago I never thought I'd see ISP have it done either.
THe retired cops I talk to say then cannot imagine working under today's rules.
I thought I could make it 26 yrs and retire. I have got to seriously look at contract and decide when to pull plug. The young Troops might be able to addapt and overcome. It is hard teaching an Old Dog new tricks...
My days of tracking down 95 + mph speed, the 110+ speed are done on interstates. I cannot afford to be hung out by ISP with so little time in my career left. New Years resolution is to slow way down.
God Bless you guys .... wave at me as you drive by cause my ass is gonna be sitting still. 10-41 to 10-42.
Be safe.
11/24/2008 11:37:00 PM
If you kill someone while trying to catch up to a violator and are at fault for the crash you are screwed with or without this policy. State statute already requires us to drive with due care at ALL times. This is not the policy that they would use to turn the screws. Now if you kill or seriously injure someone while responding to a call you can be assured the black box will be analyzed to see exactly how you were driving the entire response. And if it is determined you were in violation of the policy...grab your ankles.
"Did you order the code red?" "You're god damn right I did!!!"
i have a question for all you guys who like car chases
how does one safely stop a pursued vehicle using another vehicle?
if you can answer that then I will be pro police chase
11/23/2008 10:37:00 PM
Spike strips and the pit maneuver. If the shithead gets hurt, who the fuck cares. He brought it upon himself. Ok you are now officially pro-police chase again...
My MSGT just told me there will never be a code red granted. NEVER. Hmm. So, if you need immediate serious help (10-1), keep waiting. No one coming for a long while. For us, that could be a death sentence. Were short now and barely covering patrols. Who's gonna come save us? We work alone. And to all the desk crews, tell our desk reports waiting it will be about 2 hrs before we get in. Rush hour traffic in Chicago is a bitch.
11/24/2008 11:49:00 PM
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My brother at the ISP, if you ever feel the need to call a "code red/10-1" you don't ever have to worry about nobody coming for a long while because despite our lack of morale and slowing down there is still one or two things we will respond to balls out and not care what some retarded boss says over the radio. We still got your backs, always have and always will.
y MSGT just told me there will never be a code red granted. NEVER. Hmm. So, if you need immediate serious help (10-1), keep waiting. No one coming for a long while. For us, that could be a death sentence. Were short now and barely covering patrols. Who's gonna come save us? We work alone. And to all the desk crews, tell our desk reports waiting it will be about 2 hrs before we get in. Rush hour traffic in Chicago is a bitch.
The hell with rules, if you guys are calling for help we WILL be there! CPD
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