Smoke and Mirrors Continue
Evidently, heading up a unit that is at the center of numerous questionable search warrants and at least one well publicized bar incident isn't a barrier to advancement. That's good to know:
Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis today announced a major restructuring of how cops will fight Chicago’s street gang problem.
Four-hundred officers will form a new Gang Enforcement Unit and will be available to combat gangs citywide and not just in the district where they are currently assigned.
This new plan was designed —with much input from rank-and-file officers — in an effort to free gang officers to be able to move where crime is spiking to disrupt gang activity and stay ahead of violence, police said.
Four-hundred officers. And where will these four-hundred come from? Well, it works out to sixteen per district. Obviously, J-Fed can't pull four-hundred officers out of thin air, so it looks like the District gang teams just became draftees. Smoke and Mirrors. Why not just restart Gangs North, South and West?
Any logistics to this move? Vehicle pool? Supervision? Equipment and support? Uniform requirements? And more importantly, if sixteen people just left every district for the Area, you've taken away 40% of the Tact/Gang Lieutenants job. Does anyone truly believe the Department needs a Lieutenant with a take-home car to supervise twenty-four Tactical people? Has J-Fed just telegraphed the supposed big changes scheduled for after Thanksgiving?
Any logistics to this move? Vehicle pool? Supervision? Equipment and support? Uniform requirements? And more importantly, if sixteen people just left every district for the Area, you've taken away 40% of the Tact/Gang Lieutenants job. Does anyone truly believe the Department needs a Lieutenant with a take-home car to supervise twenty-four Tactical people? Has J-Fed just telegraphed the supposed big changes scheduled for after Thanksgiving?
Labels: changes, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
217 Comments:
OHHH the changes are coming. It will be a bloody Christmas as I hear it.
Let the weeping and nashing of teeth begin!!
Hopefully the clouted and incompetent will return to the Career service ranks...except Car 47 he is safe and will probably be promoted.
How about the comment saying "after input from the rank and file?" Seriously? How can he just lie like that. I never heard a single thing about this until today, just like every single person in my district. So what rank and file is he talking about?
Lt. Joe Gorman has been promoted to Commander of this new gang task force, all gang teams will pull out of their respective areas, along with their cars etc. The Area gang Lts. will report to HIm, he will report to Leo.
Good luck ever seeing a gang officer in 016, 017, 013, 012, 001 021, 022 again; they will pull these officers all over the city at will, as needed, they will no longer be in the patrol division, reassigned to OCD.....
OMG. This is bullshit. I work A/5 Gangs and I cant believe my ears. They might as well call us the "Gangs Mobile Strike Force"
Well, there goes what little protection we had in our own districts where we live....just keep giving it to the non-taxpayers.
68 & 69 Teams to the Areas under 1 Commander City Wide....Bring back Gangs S/N/W....06JAN1993 was a sad day....I/F GCS
That "Lt.w/a take-home" will prolly get a new fake rank designation, thereby further sucking the life out of our already dwindling pension fund.
I was at the meeting on Saturday thise is thr "Right from the horses mouth" version...All gang teams are being re ASSIGNED...NOT detailed...ASSIGNED to OCD They will pull out of their respective areas...all cars they utilize in their districts as well as radios will be moved to the areas ...uniforms will obviously be plaincloths since it is a gang unit..The unit will be run by now commander Joseph Gorman...and Leo Schmitz...The unit will have rotating watches...days and afternoons. The teams will have day off groups...and K-9 will also be assigned to OCD and be at our disposal...they will also have K-9's assigned to teams and the K-9's will be required to make stops with the teams and assist them in searches etc...No Radio assignments and ONLY work on GANG crimes...Emphasis on gang intel...heirachy, search warrants...HUGE emphasis on search warrants...dope buys w/ 1505 funds..Lot of covert enforcment.
I'm in, as long as y'all let me wear my camo pants, hoodie, and black vest cover! Shit, I better get a new bluetooth!
"This new plan was designed —with much input from rank-and-file officers — in an effort to free gang officers to be able to move where crime is spiking to disrupt gang activity and stay ahead of violence, police said."
Gang officer's input..... doubt it.
"Input from the rank and file officers?" Yeah right! The gang team officers bid to their district why would they now want to be forced to travel all over to areas where they don't know the faces or the players? TRU and MSF etc. knew that they would travel that's why they requested to go there, but the gang guys didn't!
The guys are just going to pick off the wounded deer to get their head for the numbers game since they won't be familure with the streets. This has got to be a killer for their morale. Sounds like a plain clothes SOS to me, but with rock bottom morale. Working for Leo won't be much of a treat. He's out for himself and could care less about the lowly P.O. Good luck guys!
Was the input from the so called "rank and file officers" really J-feds "think tank" group with no time on the job? I wouldn't doubt it. Can't imagine and real police on the street asking for this silly idea. Sounds like a house mouse idea, but that's the way things have been done for years. "Rank and File" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
r u fucking joking
scc, im usually a hater and agree with the smoke and mirrors... but i heard some details about this new thing and i actually think ill give it a chance....for now. how ever msf and tru...sorry, your still kind of a joke.
Hmmmmmm.... The Great New Plan - Take District Gang Teams And Make Them Available Citywide!!!! What a fucking great idea! I mean great! Hey, wait a minute... they were citywide gang teams before the department placed them into the districts. So the new plan is basically going back to the old plan.
Well...any plan that has Jody Weis at the helm and Leo Schmitz as Rear Admiral cannot fail! Look at their last great success, when they took the Titanic across the ocean.
P.S. SCC: They caught the Butt Bandit leaving the impressions on the window! And it wasn't the Keesing Bandit's boyfriend as you suspected! Well at least that they are admitting to.
Neb. Police Arrest 'Butt Bandit' Vandalism Suspect
Valentine, Nebraska (AP) Authorities said they've arrested a suspect in the rash of so-called "Butt Bandit" vandalism cases. County Attorney Eric Scott said a 35-year-old man was arrested early Wednesday morning. Formal charges have not yet been filed.
Some vandal had been skipping from one building to another at night, pressing his naked buttocks, groin or both on windows.
Store owners, church workers and school janitors have had to wash lotion and petroleum jelly off the windows he selects.
Local residents found some humor in the strange brand of graffiti and had dubbed the vandal the "Butt Bandit."
Valentine Police Chief Ben McBride called it "the weirdest case I've ever seen."
what input from the rank and file? his frikkin think tank?
Leo's the best, just ask him.
If my partner shoots me in the foot, do I get meritoriously promoted to Sgt?
Yes, most of us were upset whe told of this plan. The Department is taking away 2 of our 5 teams. What can we do? Nothing. No one asked us, or any rank and file for our opinion. Most of the exempt didn't know.
As far as 24 guys to supervise, get it right. Tact teams are 10 P.O. and a Sgt. There are 3.
You want to take the car away, go ahead. It is a perk with the job. It balances out getting called at all times of the day, when out of town, days off and anything else. Don't expect the phone to get picked up anymore whe you call.
I think it's time we have a Patrol Division Summit. Because we lead the solar system in cutting edge technology, the 3 officers that are now left in the Patrol Division can via their District telephone, have a conference call, and discuss new strategies and missions they can implement to focus on fighting crime.
Most gang teams work outside the districts anyways it seems.
Try seeing any tactical on some nights in north side districts.
Another way to fuck honest taxpayers out of police service.
Joe Gorman is a great guy. Great pick.
Leo is one of the biggest goofs on the job.
It's OK, I got over not being one of the select few on the gang team years ago.
I have one of the best jobs out there, a one man beat car on days. I am relatively anonymous. A small amount of activity keeps them off my back and free to prowl my beat with a minimum of interference.
And I can help out those who need the help and fuck with those who need to be fucked with. If I need some OT I snag certain TVB's near quitting time sure to be good for two hours.
I read about all these so called changes and read the complaints. Jeez, my job hasn't changed in a long time. It isn't too bad, I must say. I have my way of dealing with GPS and cameras which I won't reveal, you go find your own way.
Now where else can I make almost $80k with only a GED and smile as I go home like I do and be virtually guaranteed of a job until I turn 63 and then a pension of $60k?
But wait, there's more, the FOP and the city are talking money in the current contract negotiations. That means the contract might be settled within a few months and I will get a raise with corresponding bumps in my pension in a few years. Like is good.
Look at it that way and you will be happier in this job. Strive for funny looking colored ribbons and promotions and plum spots and you might be stressed out. I am happy doing just what I am doing.
Jeez, over $5k a month for a pension! I have met police who don't make that as a salary. Anyone who complains about this is a dope. Make it work for you and stop whining.
Joe Gorman is a great boss!
Now all those district gang guys & Gals are thinking that they will have the perks of HOMAN SQUARE...Aint happening. No take home cars, 8 hr days. HAVE FUN! Your drive times to work just went up!...Family time down.
What a joke ~ speaking of joke, did anyone notice the Screaming Skull in the background?
Why don't the guys on the gang teams just quit and go back to the watch?! Who really cares if gang members are killing each other?
Input, from the Rank and File??? BS!!! I work on a gang team in Area 3. I wasn't asked anything and I didn't give any input.
I have been on a gang team for several years. Those who don't remember, about 4 years ago the teams from 19,20, and 23 spent every day in Area 5. We rolled out of the area every day. We got our head and that was it.
This new unit is total smoke and mirrors. Search Warrants??? Give me a break. 1505 funds, get real!!!
My CI isn't going to know anything about Terror town when he buys his rocks in Rogers Park. I'm not going to start over and learn a new area for two weeks to just be moved again. Like somebody said and I have done it before. This is just the plain clothes version of TRU. One and done for me. Take my time on paper and their should be a nice long line for the lockup. I see big changes on gang teams who come from the slower dists like mine.
The boses can't make anybody go. Those on gang teams are bid into their respective dist. They can detail you out but thats only for 90 days. I see the FLOP getting alot of phone calls.
My partner and I will stay but I see at least 4 guys leaving. I'm guessing this new unit is on purpose to get rid off the less motivated. Then they can put guys from busy dists on a team thats short.
Whats going to happen to the gun and sat teams? I can't see them sticking around.
One final thought. Does everyone see the divide and conquer mode getting more and more prevalant every day on this job. The whole goal of this job now seems to be making it to a spot that doesn't have to answer the radio. Thats just wrong!!!! They have made us not trust each other and stab each other in the back for a nickel. We truly are finished.
Sounds like Obamas plan is being put into effect. Giving more to those who give nothing.
Is there anything you won't complain about? These will be gang officers actually working where there are 'real' gangs...hmmm? And a real copper like Joe Gorman leading the team, I'm sure they'll be doing the work your dog ass won't.
If this is true I am going back to the watch. I am not going to let them send me where ever they want on any given night, most likely a place that my partner and I are not familiar with and therefore putting our safety in jeopardy. I want to see who they get to stay if this is true. If I wanted to do something like this I would have signed up for MSF of TRU.
End MSFU and TRU now.
For every new unit, patrol districts take another hit. Who will answer service calls? Who will handle gang issues in a north side district? We know some districts have serious gang problems but we cannot ignore growing gangs in other districts. How far can they go without hiring new personnel? And "input from the rank and file"? Remember his famous town hall meetings? Speak up and be punished. Smoke and mirrors.
Being in the district, at least they contributed to some extra bodies This job is getting more and more dangerous. Try listening the next time a beat car calls for an assist and see how long it takes for a response. I'm not saying the gang teams are the key, but thats 14 more po's being taken out of each district. I can't see how thats possible. There are already no rapids being manned on 2nd and 3rd watches. The only thing on the assignment sheets are ghost cars with people on them that don't exist. How come this doesn't make it in the media? Our taxes are higher than ever and I've never seen so few police officers working the streets.
I feel the first and foremost priority should be manning the districts and whatevers leftover should be made to go to these new units. I went to a battery call (and mind you I don't work a beat car) where a wife was beaten bloody and the call was 55 minutes old. Her child had blood on her as well. This was a cold two a.m. Why....no cars and no time to go arrest the offender and even look for him for that matter.
JFed/Daley, you are setting up Chicago to be one place no decent citizen will want to raise a family. Why would any? The taxes are outrageous, the police service (response time) is ridiculous to no fault of anyones but yours and we are on a road to reach 500 homicides this year. No amount of TRU Mobile Fuckforce or this new/old gang BS will help. Trust me. I have 17 times your experience on these streets and can assure you that you need more beat/rapids to stop the esclating violence on the streets.
How about sending some of them extra bodies you have sucking up to you back to districts to work a car every now and then. Thats right, uniform, radio, shit-box car and a beat #. See how the heart of the department beats for a tour. Come to think of it, maybe you should too. I dare you to handle a few calls in a busy district for a tour.
Heh, heh, now the gang teams will have to lock up others besides drinkers on the corner.
The Gang Lts. will remian the Lts. for the gang teams. tehy will then report to Schmitz. Leo Schmitz will be the Commander of the Gang Enforcement unit. Gohrman was promoted to be the Commander of gang intel. Supposedly the gang teams will still be in the districts to get to know all gang members, but if needed on an emergency they will be told to go to the area of concern for the day. They don't have all the planning yet on how they are going to do this though. Their ideas sound good, but let see if they stick to what they said we were going to be doing.
Don't they still have the gang intel unit???
real nice i was driving through pilsen the other night and there were about 13 gangmembers on the corner of cullerton and may. 14 years ago they would have been shagged off the corner. but then we had more officers on the street. i drove around for abit and realized there is no police presence, because our police are spread so thin. i realize 12 has slowed but if we dont keep on gangs we are going to go backward. hey jodi i dont want see another one of our young po's end up like brian strouse.
Holy Blow Me Batman!!!
This is all part of the over plan to achieve failure. Policing is reversing itself back to the old days of mass corruption and misconduct by creating an environment that promotes rogue officer behavior.
Don't ever forget this formula:
Arrest and activity quotas = misconduct.
If your on gangs expect to work away from the district. Far far away. District commanders will no longer control or decide where you go some boss downtown or better yet an alderman (citywide) will determine your tour of duty status for the day. Go get em guys.
I wonder who really suggested this stupid idea? What happen to decentralized command? Why happen to district commanders running their districts and being held accountability? Or is it that the clout heavy district commanders can't control a bowel movement let alone their mouths. J-Fed made them and they can't produce. Why not? It has something to do with lacking leadership, experience and commitment. This problem starts with the mayor and alderman and the supt who does their bidding.
Again, someone else has to do the job for these incompetent district commanders with help from downtown.
The alderman and mayor have missed the boat on this one. You just pissed off 50 percent of the workers again. You just don't get it do ya?
I wish you gang guys the best of luck...goodbye from your districts.
How does it effect your seniority?
Working conditions like parking, lockers, and productivity requirements?
How many details?
What happened to that 10 hour day?
Kiss it all goodbye now. Your at the bottom again starting all over. Some of you might do well. The rest are screwed!
Well at least you can take the pressure off the rest of us for the first six months of 2009.
The writing is on the wall for all those area gun and saturation teams. Can you say BYE BYE NOW!
Leo is going to run the new gang enforcement unit, Joe Gorman is going to run gang intelligence which is were Leo is currently the commander. So no Joe Gorman will be Commander of Gang Intelligence and no one but a chosen few had knowledge of this "new" unit. Not even the RANK AND FILE.
How comforting, let's think about this... they are going to take Gang guys from, let's see, 015 and send them to, hmmm...004. WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY KNOW ABOUT THE GANGS IN 004?!?!? NOTHING.
Do these dumbasses making the big bucks really not understand the amount of time required to learn: 1)the players 2)who their "girls" are 3)who their sisters are 4)who their baby-mamas are 5)where grandma lives 6)what kind of cars they have access to...I could go on and on...
I wish I weren't so smart...I could probably have gotten a gold star on this job...maybe I'll just play stupid.
Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.
This is on eof the biggest mistakes and misuse of manpower! This will never work and will cause mass problems! How about our contract! I can't see them being able to reassign 400 P.O.'s and Sgt's when they are all in bid districts! I know Tact/Gangs is a management postion however, they can not reassin you to a new unit when you are in a bid District! They can however detail you to a unit!
Ok so now we have TRU SOS and some new bullshit gang unit? How may patrolmen for streets? This is getting stupid, just another way of putting more cops in ghetto districts?
This may actually work. Just leve the Tact. Teams Home! With this new unit there should be no reason to pull the Tact Teams and send them all over the city.
Just like in fashion, policing returns to previous eras. It's because of the bosses' need to look like he is being innovative and resourceful. Of course, we all recognize it for what it really is...Just the same old circus with a new set of clowns!!!!
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TRU, the writing is on the wall. MSFU and now city wide Gang teams. Jody does not like the TARGET RESPONSE UNIT because it was Phil Cline's baby. Please start jumping ship now before it's too late. Your unit is finish. Your unit had a lot of two year wonders who are now five year and up wonders. That's a unit with more experience people than all city wide tact team, gang team and MSFU.No experience copper with time on the job want to bother with the bullshit tact, gang, TRU and MSFU have to offer. All the perks are gone.
Get it right,.....For someone who was at the meeting..you got it wrong. Gorman, new Commander of Gang Investigations.....Leo, Commander of the new unit....lateral move. I can;t believe all the b.s generated from people who weren't even there. As always!!!!
Anonymous said...
scc, im usually a hater and agree with the smoke and mirrors... but i heard some details about this new thing and i actually think ill give it a chance....for now. how ever msf and tru...sorry, your still kind of a joke.
11/23/2008 03:01:00 AM
GLAD TO HEAR YOUR OPINION. IM SURE YOUR OPINION IS ONE OF A WISE, EDUCATED OFFICER WITH EXPERIENCE WE ALL COULD LEARN FROM. See, that sounds as stupid as you do! I believe you should go back to your whinning and stop commenting on this blog you ignorant F@@K!
Anonymous said...
scc, im usually a hater and agree with the smoke and mirrors... but i heard some details about this new thing and i actually think ill give it a chance....for now. how ever msf and tru...sorry, your still kind of a joke.
11/23/2008 03:01:00 AM
This dudes a REAL BUTT PIRATE!!! Im sure your career is just a joke!!! Why don't you quit and leave the pension for the REAL POLICE? Douche bag.........
Jody is totally facinated with Leo S. What's up with that? Don't we have anyone else in this department that is capable to run this charade?
To 11/23/2008 07:09:00 AM,
"Joe Gorman is a great guy...", and in the grandest tradition of the Irish bosses on the Chicago Police Department he never passed a promotional examination in his career. Fucking joke. I'd rather have a black copper who was shot doing his job promoted than another clouted, merit turkey. Then the merit promotions might have an air of legitimacy.
I gotta agree...another smoke & mirrors plan. Like previous posters have said, the ghetto districts will not be affected. The taxpaying citizens (008, 022, 016, etc.) will be the only districts affected by this asinie idea. Once again the honest, legit taxpayers get the shaft once again!!
BE SAFE!!!
Just another unit who is going to work 4 hours a day by going to lunch for 2 hours, fuck around and do errands for 2 more, get a 1 bagger or a drinker and go home early. Jody/J-Fed, the real working police is the guys on beat cars in the district who work hard for 8 hours everyday. You don't need no meeting with overpaid, big ego exempt/rank and file to tell you that.
All Sgt's be aware when you go to this unit you will have to re pick your furlo. This will be done with the other 50 Sgt's in the unit. So what you have now you will not have later.
With all these moves, all Jody and the boys do is move crime into more areas of the city. Austin, Roseland, Englewood always have had and always will have crime, most of it violent. By flooding these areas, which already have TRU and MSF roaming,the gangbangers will move to Edison Park, Lincoln Park and Mt. Greenwood were you never see a patrol car. Drug dealers don't make all that money by being totally stupid. They now the game and how to play the courts. Have a juvy sell the dope, if he gets pinched, he's out in an hour anyway. All this braintrust is doing is spreading the problem instead of somewhat containing it to certain areas. Of course what does Jody always say? "i'm trying to get officers to listen to my ideas." How about listening to us for once?
Hahahah enjoy your new assignments! What a joke this is, I can see alot more reverse seniority to fill these spots once people start to bail on this new joke of an idea. Just another reason for people not to do a damn thing for this city. Now the officers that bid to 016 (or any other nice district) to protect the homeland are being forced to patrol the ghetto. Screw this city, be a DOG like me a get paid for doing nothing. Woof Woof Woof
That makes me wunt to work even harder.NOT....ITS TO LATE jfed ..tHINK ABOUT IT.IF WHERE NOT WORKING NOW,WHAT MAKES U THINK WE ARE GOING TO WORK NOW
Gorman=merit nepotism
Merit Gang specialist, Merit Sergeant, Merit Lt.
Nice guy out for himself and no one else. The freight train is rolling thru. Joe @ Leo, Merit,merit, merit, thank you for taking my stripes and bar you 19th ward political hack
We should get rid off the districts and make all units. The districts and BOP is a dyeing bread.
Did Commissioner Gordon approve of this?
1981 Capt. Joseph McCarthy is appointed Dept. Bureau of Field Tactical Services. SOG is Combined with Gang Crimes Investigators. We all worked together In Gangs South, Gangs West, Gang North. Lots of City Ordinance Arrests. Lots of Gang Members Harrassed. Lots of Law Suits.
Lots of controversy about tactics.
Mayor Washington elected. Bureau is disbanded. Units broken down. Capt. is demoted.
ALL THOSE WHO REMEMBER: PLEASE POST COMMENTS.
DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON THIS PLAN! DID THEY ASK AT LEAST 1 OFFICER.
AND 4 MY BROTHERS IN BLUE JEANS ITS NOT ABOUT GANGS ITS ABOUT THE CONTRACT.
U SEE THIS MOVE HAS JUST COST U UR DISTRICT SPOT. IF YOU R IN A NICE DISTRICT GUESS WHERE U R GOING TO BE PATROLING "ENGLE-HOOD".
EXPECT THOSE NICE SUMMER HOLIDAYS TO BE CANCELLED AT WILL!
EXPECT TO BE TOLD TO CHANGE YOUR WEEKENDS SO J-FED DOESNT HAVE TO PAY U O.T.
U NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE MOVES, REMEMBER THE FTO'S GETTING SHIPPED TO CERTAIN DISTRICTS.
U HAVENT NOTICED DETAILS R BEING RESTRICTED TO D-1 ONLY.
U HAVENT NOTICED MORE RULES TO HAMPER WARRANTS, ARREST AND INVETIGATIONS.
U DIDNT NOTICE A JUDGE CHANGED THE RULES ON INTERVIEWING COUNTY PRISONERS.
48 HOUR RULES PUT IN PLACE BUT IT REALLY IS A 12 HOUR RULE.
OFFICERS TOLD TO NOT ARREST PEOPLE ON INVETIGATIVE ALERTS.
I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT THE TRUTH IS A BUDGET HAS TO BE CUT.
WE WILL HIT R LOWEST NUMBERS IN MANPOWER AND PATROL WILL TAKE IT IN THE BEHIND.
LOOK 4 J-FED TO BE MOVED TO A HOMELAND SECURITY TYPE GIG AFTER HE HAS DECIMATED THIS DEPARTMENT.
I thought gangbangers weren't a priority anymore.
Strong rumor at meeting that 021 will close and merge with 002 on 01 Jan 09. 021 district is outdated and will be the home of TRU South for roll call and check off. 007 is off the books for TRU the City wide gang team will use this as one of there homes, which is close to the action.
You can call it any name you want, but, be careful. Units like these can become very corrupt very quickly.
WOO HOO
Does not make any sense to me, I thought tru, and moblie strike force were created to be sent all over city. A new idea sounds like al gore when he said he created the internet. It just like it used to be gangs north, south etc. Oh well
Does anybody want my spot on 1368 team? Oh I mean the area wide OCD/MSF/Jody Weis ass kisser team?
A beat car never looked so nice. No more arrests fro me just paper jobs. YEAH
Could be a good thing. Give it a chance.
The downtown folks are doing exactly the opposite of what they should be doing. Not many real sharp people there I guess.
Dope+Gangs+the street= high homicide rate
( New York figured this out years ago)
Given that you never stop Dope or even make a dent in Gangs then what can you actually control ? The street.
By pushing the Dope out of the Street and into the house = less homicides ( many more homicides on the street than in houses)
Now you get these clowns who are pushing search warrants and what do you accomplish ? Driving the dealing out on the street again. Great way to increase the odds of homicides happening.
I was no big Cline fan because of some of his outrageous picks for exempts but at least he understood the theory and tried to drive the dope inside.
What a bunch of goofs.
old retired guy
no big deal, they already reassign gang teams now to hot spots. instead of coming from district of assignment, they will come out of the area. yep, more travelling in your personal vehicle that you may not want to do. oh well, suck it up or go back to the watch.
Leo would never listen to the rank and file. Downtown Ernie Brown is lost. This is another mobile unit created at the expense of district personnel. keep stripping districts of officers and soon we will reach critical mass. Somehow, we need enough officers to staff squad cars. We are at lowest level in many years. Weiss looking for sound bites and a positive stories but ignores the serious issue of staffing. Only 22 Chicago recruits left in academy. Next class might not be ready until Dec, 2009. Retirements at 600 per year. Next recruit class projected for April, 2009. The signs of diaster are apparent.
WHERE IN A/1 DO THEY PAN ON PUTTING THESES GUYS, IN THE JANITORS CLOSET? THERE'S NO ROOM NOW WITH ALL THE PEOPLE THERE........WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO CENTRALIZE THEM ALL OR GO GANGS NORTH/SOUTH.....THE OLD 008 OR THE OLD 009 WHEN IT CLOSES WOULD BE GOOD FOR SOUTH..
Joe is a good guy! No one that has ever gotten to know him can deny that.
But he hasn't passed a test on this job. Why don't we have two systems. One where you can take a legitimate test and get promoted up to the rank of Lieutenant. The other is a command career path, no tests, phone calls. You work a month or two in patrol in each rank and eventually you are running the department.
The more things change the more they remain the same.
Its all a matter of suction.
Sounds like EDGE MISSIONS from the early 90's. You can never stop gang violence they have too many rights and have to be treated with white gloves. Keep restricting the police on everything they do and continue to see violence to increse here in Olympic City.
OT... Any info on promotions. I have a chance on both det and Sgt but nothing is moving.
Actually, I was going to use BUTT BANDIT as my blogger name.
Then I realized it left out the best part of a man.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Who is Car 47?
No Radio assignments and ONLY work on GANG crimes...Emphasis on gang intel...heirachy, search warrants...HUGE emphasis on search warrants...dope buys w/ 1505 funds..Lot of covert enforcment.
Great!!!!!!!!!!!! Start then by goin to 022, 008, 16, and 17 and hammering the gangs there first. For YEARS gang and tact were'nt allowed to work in the needed area's of their districts (especially 008's west end) due to the animals in there. All the meanwhile these gangs got a foothold in areas where honest, hardworking tax-paying citizens live and have honestly gotten out of control. Cant expect the beat coppers to quell these assholes anymore cause the amount of calls for service has increased tremendously. And yes, Gorman is a great guy........Leo is too full of himself and wouldnt know a King from a two-six if they were standing in front of him with name-tags on! Lets start by hammering these pricks where it really matters and then gradually move to other needed places cause they arent needed in 15, 11, 7, 6 , 3 , 5 first off cause the people dont even want the police there in the first place. You have other people begging for police presence....JUST PRESENCE....in some districts while tact LT's and Commanders would turn there backs on them. Well nows the time to step it up and put these Gang guys where they are truly needed! Im not for taking any cops out of their respected districts by anymeans, but it they are gonna do it then put them where they are needed most.
Couldn't do much better than Joe Gorman as the boss..
I was at the meeting on Saturday thise is thr "Right from the horses mouth" version...All gang teams are being re ASSIGNED...NOT detailed...ASSIGNED to OCD They will pull out of their respective areas...all cars they utilize in their districts as well as radios will be moved to the areas ..
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Scary as all hell if you were invited to the meeting. Learn to fucking spell...
First good choice since J-Fed came in, making Joe Gorman Commander of Gang Intel, good luck to Rear Admiral Leo
Rank and File think Tank...? Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!
I wonder where the FOP is on this? Will the Gang officers greive being reassigned? In the districts where there will bbe no gang teams, will Tactical teams answer to Gang disturbance calls??
The Blue line just got a lot thinner today......I am tired of fighting on a losing side...I wonder if gangbangers have a pension fund? (funny, but serious)
Where/How will it end?
In reference to the Titanic comment...Our command staff would have given the order to re-arrange the deck chairs on that sinking ship...
The position of Tact Liutenant is being cut as of Jan 1 09. They are going back to the watches and the Tact teams will answer to the watch Commander.
Joe Gorman....couldn't ask for a better boss. Coppers first every time.
Good luck Joe.
scc, im usually a hater and agree with the smoke and mirrors... but i heard some details about this new thing and i actually think ill give it a chance....for now. how ever msf and tru...sorry, your still kind of a joke.
It will be the same as TRU and MSF, just in C/D, emphasis on heads and that's it, since nobody is locking anyone up. Don't be fooled... The only input came from Leo.
What's Gang Intel going to be doing then? what a joke..
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET INTO OCD GANG TEAM???
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOREVER!!!
WHY CAN THE DEPT, ROTATE THESE STALE OFFICERS JUST LIKE THE SATURATION TEAMS.
LETS JUST SAY 2 YEARS FOR THE SAKE OF NUMBERS.
YOU GOT TWO YEARS TO DO YOUR DAMAGE IN THIS SPECIAL UNIT AND THEN GET THE F*CK OUT AND MAKE ROOM FOR OTHERS.
THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THESE GUYS, SO MANY WERE OUT OF SHAPE AND VERY OLD LOOKING, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM VERY MOTIVATED TO WORK.
I was at the Gang Summit on Saturday when that annoucnement was made at 8:30 am! I also was at the meeting after the Gang Summit in the Media room. So here are the facts:
All Gang teams 68 and 69 will report directly to there respective Area Gang Lt. 18th and 1st District Teams will report to Area 3.
Leo Schmitz is the commander of this unit and Gorman is promoted to the Commander of Gang Investigations.
All Gang Teams will bring there assinged vehicle and radios to the Area!
All Gang teams will report to there respective Area everyday and will no longer be part of patrol and will be assinged to OCD. The Gangs teams are no longer part of there respective districts.
All personel will be assinged to OCD as this is a new unit and not bounded by FOP contract.
This new unit is not to be a numbers unit. (Everytime they say that bet your ass it is going to be a numbers unit!).
All units will be prepared to start to train as going back to the old days of Gang Crimes South, West and North.
This new unit will not be involed in wire tapes or large/long term (one year or longer) type investigations.
This unit is to assit the Gang Investigations Section in addition to conducting there own investigations (simply put, arrests in targeted areas of Gang Violence).
68 and 69 teams will rotate days and nights with rotating day off groups.
This is to take effect in two weeks and order is to be out this week!
All Gun teams, Midnight Gang Teams and Sat teams will remain under the direction of there Area Deputy Chief.
After Thanksgiving look for the demotions and new postions to begin to be selected. The city approved the new budget. Several bosses will be putting in papers after the first of the year. After the first of the year all acting postions will be removed and made perminant.
On a side note: Just an open thought.....This is just another way to have Cuello removed and given less power. Many Commanders and Alderman are upset about the announcement to remove 16 officers from there Ward/District. The homicide rate will hit 500 and at least 600 next year. We are up over 300 shootings this year alone! If say 100 of those shooting were homicides (because they were saved by medical science, meaning if we he the medical science of 1980s those 100 would definatley be Homicides)we would be well over 500 and looking towards 600.
And quess what its not the economy when Hillard was Sup. we were around 600 alomost 700 and the murder capitol two years. And the economy was doing GREAT!!!
input from who?was I on furlo and missed that meeting?
They didnt break up gangs north,south,west because of joe...they broke us up 6 jan 93 and that started the distict gang teams...fuck all the papers and if j-fed thinks it was because of joe...he is very, well lets just say uninformed...I/F
If my partner shoots me in the foot, do I get meritoriously promoted to Sgt?
Whose your juice?
If you're in OCD under ETB, not if u a cracker. Look at PHN Unit 765 it's only been eight years since that kid was shot and what was he promised? Oh you can go to the Lathrop team, work the desk or stay on your tac team. WOW, thanks ETB!!!!!!!!!
It seems like D/S SP has been successful so far in growing his kingdom. It also seems like D/S BC and the 1st has not been able to do anything to convince the Supt that they are worthy of growing their respective kingdoms.
I wonder how long it will take till we have a D/S of the DD instead of a Chief. Or a D/S of OCD.
Good luck ever seeing a gang officer in 016, 017, 013, 012, 001 021, 022 again; they will pull these officers all over the city at will, as needed, they will no longer be in the patrol division, reassigned to OCD.....
Go ask the gang officers in those districts who the players are and they respond with a, a, a, gangs in my district duh ... all they are doing is moving chess pieces ... the cars are the ones they have been using ... as well as everything else ... you NEED more flexibilty in 07, 08, 09,04, 05, and the other ganmg infested districts to deploy officers ... so it can't hurt ... if you knew anything about the gang teams you would know that have been under the control of the area gang lt. anyway ... but the tact lts. would assign them to missions
STOP CRYING said...
OMG. This is bullshit. I work A/5 Gangs and I cant believe my ears. They might as well call us the "Gangs Mobile Strike Force"
11/23/2008 12:42:00 AM
maybe you should get a job with the post office ... you don't belong on the police dept.
input for rank and file? I must have been off that day huh? Yeah thats what teh bosses do here, ask for input. GET FUCKED with the BS
With this for 9161 with this change 5,423 work in districts and 2,921 work in units. WOW! The citizens of the city suffer as districts are always in RAPS and they get no service. Seems we get more and more units and the crime is going up, up and up. Solve the problem put officers back in the districts let them be seen and respond to calls. When is the last time you saw a officers from a unit respond to a call?
Anonymous said...
Joe Gorman is a great guy. Great pick.
Leo is one of the biggest goofs on the job.
11/23/2008 07:09:00 AM
Leo ran out on his guys at "Jefferson tap", now be careful boys and girls in who you trust! His wife is the C.O. at midway another "prize," who has no clue how to take care of the troops! The clout these 2 have it is truly a travesty how j-fed just keeps giving them more responsibilty! They are not the solution to the problems they are a big part of the problem! He leaves the men same way his wife does!
Anonymous said...
OHHH the changes are coming. It will be a bloody Christmas as I hear it.
Let the weeping and nashing of teeth begin!!
Hopefully the clouted and incompetent will return to the Career service ranks...except Car 47 he is safe and will probably be promoted.
11/23/2008 12:08:00 AM
I hope major changes are coming dump all the idiots he promoted all they have done is lower morale even more!
"Input from the rank and file?" WHAT! We never heard a damm thing about this and no one ever asked us anything! More fucking lies from the brass as usual! I'm on a gang team and I can tell you both the teams are pissed! We all bid to our district to work in the district and now they change the rules in the middle of the game? So now DOG will change, hours etc. We have no equipment, so will we now get PDT's? So now we will go to places where we have no idea who the players are. How effective is that? And knowing Leo being the numbers guys that he is he will want lots of search warrants. I can assure you no one except Leo and J-fed are happy about this.
Anonymous said...
Sounds like EDGE MISSIONS from the early 90's. You can never stop gang violence they have too many rights and have to be treated with white gloves. Keep restricting the police on everything they do and continue to see violence to increse here in Olympic City.
11/23/2008 01:25:00 PM
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Ah, the EDGE Mission! Outdoor roll call for effect then go out and get heads. No quality just quantity. We would all leave then go back to our own districts, lock up the ones we knew then put the address of arrest in our assigned district. Then we would get lunch. the bosses all knew. Didn't care as long as they had numbers.
You guys are talking like you just got 10% raises! Chill the fuck out will you! Lots of people read this blog and you sound like bottom feeders looking for anything to eat! Oh man, no radio assignments! Guess how all this shit started? Lets go get some quick heads and ....! An idle mind is the Devil's workshop!I know, I been there! Be careful what you wish for....Will the defendant please rise...?
Anonymous said...
Jody is totally facinated with Leo S. What's up with that? Don't we have anyone else in this department that is capable to run this charade?
11/23/2008 10:22:00 AM
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Maybe the Keesing bandit can analyze this fascination Jody has with Leo and fill us in.
Just Saying.
Anyone else notice that whenever Weis makes some stupid statement (like he doesn't care about the drug trade because it's not killing people) he comes out with some new initiative that that contradicts what he just said?
I know some of you are going to rant and rave about this but... I think the department made a huge mistake by disbanding SOS they were a bunch of old school coppers who went out and really made a difference before any of you start bitching about SOS coming into our districts and causing trouble the truth of the matter is those savages needed to be policed and we didn't have time to enforce them beacuse of all the calls and all the stupid shit that we are required to do on a day to day basis as far as some of you claiming that they (SOS) got alot of cr#s that went to the district officers is a lie..the truth is our district would send them no matter what to SOS automatically (if they were assigned to our district that day) and they would investigate if it was their people or not if it turned out the cr# wasn't it came back.Use your head people... everyone is quick to place blame on others so that they don't have to take responsibility for their actions. I also hated the elite added to that unit but thats what they told us in the academy " you can go to the elite unit sos if you work hard", I don't believe they named it themselves
We all work hard at some point the district calls keep us from becoming who we all think we are. I hate what is happening to this department and all of us will be effected by the idiots that are running it. Old school cops are now just buying their time. We need them more then ever now.I personally liked when SOS was in our dist I would watch them and yes they were full of theirselves but aren't we all? SOS did what they did with less people and they were just around the corner if you needed help. Call it MSF or gangs or SOS its all the same old school coppers that got what we couldn't do done. let the bitching begin...
schweiger wc 004 midnights is the worst boss to come around in a while. watch your ass around this shakey pos!!!
"Joe Gorman....couldn't ask for a better boss. Coppers first every time."
Yes, you could. How about one who is both experienced and knowledgeble enough to be promoted from a list based upon high score instead of snatching away another policemans promotion with the corrupt merit system! I suppose the Sons of Ireland posting here beleive there was no one competent enough besides Gorman. I could think of many-such as the persons he and his southside handlers screwed out of sergeant stripes and lieutenants bars. That's why were screwed. It's the mediocre bosses like this running the show.
You got a problem with the merit system? Blame the FOP they gave it up. You got a problem with the fact that all Capts are merit? Blame the capts. association they sold out in the early 90s. Just wait in 10 years merit will be up to 50%. Merit is just like anything else some good some crap. There are some real strokes who have been promoted off the lists.
"Joe Gorman is a great guy...", and in the grandest tradition of the Irish bosses on the Chicago Police Department he never passed a promotional examination in his career. Fucking joke. I'd rather have a black copper who was shot doing his job promoted than another clouted, merit turkey. Then the merit promotions might have an air of legitimacy.
11/23/2008 10:25:00 AM
You mean like Terry Hillard....been there, done that!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about the comment saying "after input from the rank and file?" Seriously? How can he just lie like that. I never heard a single thing about this until today, just like every single person in my district. So what rank and file is he talking about?
11/23/2008 12:18:00 AM
The hot little blond in the third cubical on the left.
If this is true I am going back to the watch. I am not going to let them send me where ever they want on any given night, most likely a place that my partner and I are not familiar with and therefore putting our safety in jeopardy. I want to see who they get to stay if this is true. If I wanted to do something like this I would have signed up for MSF of TRU.
11/23/2008 08:13:00 AM
pussy
Gorman made Lt. off the test not merit. Sorry haters!!
wonder where the FOP is on this? Will the Gang officers greive being reassigned?
Gang team is voluntary...they could leave the team to avoid this. read your contract before you speak of what you do not know.
If you are not at least 150 or under on the promotional lists dont piss off your current boss.
You will be there two to three years from now. Until new test is announced..
Gorman=merit nepotism
Merit Gang specialist, Merit Sergeant, Merit Lt.
Nice guy out for himself and no one else. The freight train is rolling thru. Joe @ Leo, Merit,merit, merit, thank you for taking my stripes and bar you 19th ward political hack
11/23/2008 11:08:00 AM
Awwww did the little doggie get upset because while you were not doing anything and wanted to get promoted Gorman was doing all the work you were supposed to be doing and got promoted ... boo hooo hooo
[...]Whats going to happen to the gun and sat teams? I can't see them sticking around.[...]
Where do you think the other 150 guys are coming from?
Get it right all you dumb asses...... Gorman made lt. off the test...... He turned down merit Lt cuzz he was close on the list........ So go take a flying F&5#@ all you no time no bid........
Can't believe all the bull on this site...... get the story straight before you open your mouths... All this bull comes from coppers with no time on this job..... Pay your dues..... then open your mouth
Anonymous said...
1981 Capt. Joseph McCarthy is appointed Dept. Bureau of Field Tactical Services. SOG is Combined with Gang Crimes Investigators. We all worked together In Gangs South, Gangs West, Gang North. Lots of City Ordinance Arrests. Lots of Gang Members Harrassed. Lots of Law Suits.
Lots of controversy about tactics.
Mayor Washington elected. Bureau is disbanded. Units broken down. Capt. is demoted.
ALL THOSE WHO REMEMBER: PLEASE POST COMMENTS.
11/23/2008 11:32:00 AM
Patrolman Joe...FTS...public Housing fell under his Bureau too. What a great Boss and a great time to be a Policeman. Tokk care of his people and never expected you to work harder than he did... and he worked hard.
The guys in PHDN were great Coppers, the Sgts and Lts were the best too. THEY JUST DON'T MAKE THEM LIKE THAT ANYMORE
Sounds like one big circle jerk!
Where's my football jersey? Man I gotta get my nickel bag arrest. Dats my moto " a cb a day and I'll be a boss someday "! Come on all together now!
A CB A DAY AND I'LL BE A BOSS SOMEDAY !!!!
haven't checked this blog in a while, now I know why..... This department is full of too many babies!
Anonymous said...
For every new unit, patrol districts take another hit. Who will answer service calls?
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If the geniuses stop the NEED for doing the BS missions maybe there will be enough cars available to get to the jobs!
At least on Zone one where a certain dispatcher on 1st watch cries about the availability of "those milking it" all the time!
Great take away my car and make me the field Lt. The price of gas went down anyway. No car no Tact Lt. you would be a fool to do it without a car, too much work.
Joe Gorman was offered merit lieutenant and TURNED IT DOWN! took a gamble and made it off the list. How many other coppers would have done that. Would you? That act speaks volumes in itself. Joe is the best, but if you ask him if he is the best he'll deny it. Congrats Joe!
Strong rumor at meeting that 021 will close and merge with 002 on 01 Jan 09. 021 district is outdated and will be the home of TRU South for roll call and check off. 007 is off the books for TRU the City wide gang team will use this as one of there homes, which is close to the action.
11/23/2008 11:54:00 AM
God I hope so but the 002nd dist building is not much better but at least they have a shower and a work out room.
Anonymous said...
You can call it any name you want, but, be careful. Units like these can become very corrupt very quickly.
11/23/2008 11:56:00 AM
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I agree and I think that is the IDEA here!
Indict the stupid police and show we punish our own!
All of these people involved are about the wire taps and PENS. Also Jody was brought here to clean the department up so is he done yet?
Let time go by and shit will fester and then there it is the "Gang Unit 11" or whatever the media will call the team that becomes the next corrupt thing in CPD!
By the way where do I send the Resume?
What the Fuck Did anybody try to explain to J-Stupid why Gamgs was disolved about 15 years ago ? A SOS type operation and scandal was taking place. You are getting ready to get more of the same. Of course you dont give a fuck because it looks like you are doing something bringing back the old and calling it new. It was a head hunting unit back then and it will be another one now..
Some of the old gang specialists did know their shit but it took years to develop their knowledge base, informants and the ability to be truly effectve. ( Only about 20 percent of them were really good) the rest were dopes.) They would gain intel on gang murders and inside info on gang activity.. once again years to develop. These young officers now in the gang teams are only glorified extra tactical team members. All their gang knowledgae in the districts that obtain from contact with those they harrass or arrest. They only know about their area, not city wide shit. It will be a headhunting unit which will be despised by local watch commanders for the BS arrests they will bring in to justify their existence.
They will soon become unmanageable and begin some rogue activities thet will embarass the department. This may take some time and J-stupid will blow more smoke and use more mirrors to try to fool the public into believing that Gang Violence is being addressed. What Bull Shit.
Put as many bodies in beat cars as you can you ass hole, We need less specialty units, and more basic patrol response., More beat cras in every district will give each interested officer in patrol more time freed up from BS calls to adress problems on their beatss, gand drugs etc.
J Fed you are an idiot, stop listening to your focus group of do nothing POs Peterson is out of touch with patrol, Bea was never in touch, Chief Brown what a joke. Danny dugan is most likely the closest thing to a Real Chief of Patrol that this department has had in a long time. Maurer was a big mouth blow hard who was also out of toouch with patrol.
J -Fed you are in trouble you still dont have any clues. You are an embarassment. Bodies in beat cars that is what you need ass wipe.
Anonymous said...
I thought gangbangers weren't a priority anymore.
11/23/2008 11:52:00 AM
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another thig to this and Iagree that gangbangers aren't th epriority because NOW if they ahve an aggressive unit that may make BIG MEDIA arrests with seizures from search warrants etc. It makes Jody look successful!
He needs to show the citizens/mayor/media/Reverends/whoever, that he was successful in Chicago doing policing the "RIGHT" way!
I understand Jody but realize you have to still get the MEN/WOMEN of the CPD to trust you the Units bosses, etc. etc.
Mistakes are going to happen no matter what unit is out there and the police are in fear of the indemnification factor!
Meaning our own department/bosses/mayor/citizens/media/co-workers etc. etc. lack trust in us and nobody trusts how they will end up if they get jammed on something!
What if I don't want to go? Can I just stay in my District that I am assigned to by my now 1 year expired contract. If I wanted to work in 007,002 or even 008 for that matter I would have bid there.
No I'm not a Gun Team but I have a buddy that's on one. City wide, they are the only ones that really knock out a lot of search warrants. They are contstantly coming in with guns, big drugs and money seizures and have a lot of C.I's out there and gather a lot of info on gang shootings, robberies, etc. Getting rid of them would be a big mistake.
Having Gangs North and South would be a great idea but they would need their own station. When a station such as 7 or 9 moves into their new station, let the gangs have the old station.
Jody's head is still spinning. Coming up with all these brain storms continuing Daleys Smoke and Mirrors program.
Put me in charge: I'll stop the crime and senseless shootings. The homicide and agg battery rates will fall, morale will increase, revenue for the city will increase, medical roll use will drop, more officers will produce, no more backlogs and the streets will be taken back.
You know how I'd do it. STOP dicking around the police when it comes to a contract. Pulic Safety would be priority 1. The officers would have a decent contract and on time. I would hire the couple thousand officers we're short and third, I would stop head hunting trying to fire each and every officer that forgets to dot an I or cross a T. Instant and gauranteed solution to all our problems. \ Ouch! Damit. somebody pinched me. Sorry; I was dreaming.. If it makes sense, the department WON'T do it.
THE LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THESE GUYS, SO MANY WERE OUT OF SHAPE AND VERY OLD LOOKING, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM VERY MOTIVATED TO WORK.
11/23/2008 03:14:00 PM
Those old, tired, fat guys have more knowledge and experience about gangs than most of the Department put together. They are there to gather intel, not to get in foot chases and beat people for no apparent reason other than to satisfy some segment of their lives that was not fulfilled in high school. You could learn from them, if you weren't so busy fixing your hair and putting on your black gloves. Threatening a low level shithead isn't exactly the way to find out what is happening out there...but you knew that, right Superstar?
Get rid of the Tact, I mean Detail Teams also while you are at it. We would get 1 extra field Lt. 3 Sgt's,30 Officers for the watch, cars and extra space to process in. Shit that way King Richie wont have to hire any police for another year. How is that for RANK AND FILE INPUT.
Ok news flash Gangs now move to West end of 22, 21,16,17,ETC. not that they don't have gangs there already but now they won't have gang teams and the tact teams will be detailed everywhere in the summer so now it's open season on your neighborhood.
THere are spots open on the 1369 team too, go screw yourself boss
Anonymous said...
The position of Tact Liutenant is being cut as of Jan 1 09. They are going back to the watches and the Tact teams will answer to the watch Commander.
11/23/2008 02:29:00 PM
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Its about time.......
Comes around goes around!
LOG THIS and go get your SHINEBOX!
Your smoke and mirrors days of sitting in the "office" looking att 24 hour reports doing nothing but acting are over because obviously they did not need you guys either..........see ya on the watch!
Why are people crying? For Gang Teams in the northside such as the 023rd district whose gang teams don't know a gangmember if their life depended on it and cry and cry all the time. go back to the watch if you can't handle being a real police. you know who im talking about in 023 boo hoo......
The best thing about this is that gang teams are notorious for not sharing information with anybody...oh and boys..now you can shave all those fucking goatees off..you are about to be put under the microscope.
Gather intelligence, search warrants, debriefing..blah blah blah..3 months and it will be Pissing and Drinking arrests.
I hope you gang guys like it because you won't be sent back to your original district if you are assigned, and if you are you won't have a "Bid" spot..Bloo Bloo Bloo
16 people per district,that is nearly the entire 1st watch line up on midnights in 011!!!!
In this time of NO MONEY in the city budget, are there any new promotions to commander or higher, in this new fangled idea, or is all of this just lateral moves??
Just wondering.....
The position of Tact Liutenant is being cut as of Jan 1 09. They are going back to the watches and the Tact teams will answer to the watch Commander.
Further the Tact teams are going down to 8 from 10 and they will work for the WC.
Anonymous said...
Sounds like Obamas plan is being put into effect. Giving more to those who give nothing.
11/23/2008 07:51:00 AM
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Sorry, Dude. It's just not funny anymore. Get a new schtick.
I must say, the majority of the P.O.'s I know, watch and gang teams, think this is the first good idea to come out of the new administration, lets give it a chance guys befor you all start whining. For those of you on the gang teams that dont want to do it, all you have to do is tell your commander, he will gladly put you back on the watch, remember, you VOLUNTEERED to be on the gang team.
Jody just doesn't get it. You can have a thousand coppers out in an area, the bangers will survive. They have no rules to follow, we do and this is our down fall.
They forgot to ask me
LEARN TO SPELL FIRST YOU DUMB F^@k!
Not a huge Joe Gorman fan but I know for fact he was not a merit Lt.
What the fuck! We have no money for recruits, or Sgt, or Lt's but we can alwys find money for another exempt.
An Army of Occupation in Black BDUs,bringing 6 into the JISC For Reckless Conduct.
That's all this new restructure is going to accomplish.
Anonymous said...
Gorman made Lt. off the test not merit. Sorry haters!!
11/23/2008 05:46:00 PM
But did he make Sgt Merit?
This is just any easy way for them to send the gang teams from A/3 to all over the city without any commanders bitching. They will now be working for OCD....not the district....so they can do with them what they please!!!!!
history repeats
the move of over staffed tactical units from slower districts will breath new life into their respected districts as many po's skip back to the watch. most 2yr wonders were there only to avoid midnights anyway or most senior po's hung around for the three hour lunches, no radio assignment and early duck and fight crime for overtime. for those who do journey, the move is a waste of manpower resources as the amount of time expended on intel into a new area will be great and futile if reassigned to a new "hot spot". this all the charade to quell crime in the paper or the apppearance of some response to growing violence. lil george had a lot of insight, best to leave the violence where it is then sqeeze the bag of shit and have burst into the area of your own backyard.
all in all could turn out to be a good stirring of the pot
jack
Anonymous said...
Strong rumor at meeting that 021 will close and merge with 002 on 01 Jan 09. 021 district is outdated and will be the home of TRU South for roll call and check off. 007 is off the books for TRU the City wide gang team will use this as one of there homes, which is close to the action.
11/23/2008 11:54:00 AM
Bull. That dusty old rumor has been around for years. Keep repeating it. Someday it might happen and you will be right.
Anonymous said...
Good luck ever seeing a gang officer in 016, 017, 013, 012, 001 021, 022 again; they will pull these officers all over the city at will, as needed, they will no longer be in the patrol division, reassigned to OCD.....
Go ask the gang officers in those districts who the players are and they respond with a, a, a, gangs in my district duh ... all they are doing is moving chess pieces ... the cars are the ones they have been using ... as well as everything else ... you NEED more flexibilty in 07, 08, 09,04, 05, and the other ganmg infested districts to deploy officers ... so it can't hurt ... if you knew anything about the gang teams you would know that have been under the control of the area gang lt. anyway ... but the tact lts. would assign them to missions
11/23/2008 03:33:00 PM
Yes, we are under the control of the area gang lieutenant, but we work mostly in the district where we are assigned, answering to the DC and the tact lieutenant. The only time the area lt. seems to interact with us is to occasionally order us to another district to help quell an uprising of some sort.
Anonymous said...
So what rank and file is he talking about?
11/23/2008 12:18:00 AM
The hot little blond in the third cubical on the left.
11/23/2008 05:39:00 PM
She's not hot enough to be that dumb.
Anonymous said...
Does anybody want my spot on 1368 team? Oh I mean the area wide OCD/MSF/Jody Weis ass kisser team?
A beat car never looked so nice. No more arrests fro me just paper jobs. YEAH
11/23/2008 12:10:00 PM
ANOTHER DO NOTHING DOUCHE BAG!!!! KMA!!!
Most of who have been around do agree that abolishing the old gangs north, south and west contributed to CPD downfall. The GCS back then were GCS forever. They did not leave to become detectives.
Each GCS worked the same gang for years and years and knew everybody, they knew generations of gang families. They had real gang informants with accurate information. They dropped homicide offenders off in the areas daily.
However,, they had to do what they had to do to get these kinds of results. Police were police and instilled fear in the gangs.
You can't be pussy police with gangs. If you are, then you get what you got today Mayor Shit and Supt Jag.
Therefore,, the concept of this newly formed unit will never work the way it once did. We can't do what it takes to get the job done.
Anonymous said...
I must say, the majority of the P.O.'s I know, watch and gang teams, think this is the first good idea to come out of the new administration, lets give it a chance guys befor you all start whining. For those of you on the gang teams that dont want to do it, all you have to do is tell your commander, he will gladly put you back on the watch, remember, you VOLUNTEERED to be on the gang team.
11/23/2008 08:24:00 PM
It's a bad idea. I know this because I'm on a gang team, and in the past we have been sent out of our districts for weeks and months at a time. Our job was to provide manpower at "hot spots." Well, we didn't know the players and we couldn't get to know them because we were moved to different places, often on a daily basis. In the meantime, the faces in our own district changed, leaving us with dried-up intel when we did get back. I'm not whining about the impending changes. But having been through it before, I realize it's a terribly inefficient and ineffective way to work. It's one of those ideas that seems good on paper but just won't pan out. It didn't last time.
Looks like Elliot Ness and his flying squad to the rescue!!!!!
Sorry trolls Area Saturation, Gun, and Midnight Gang teams are still in business suck it loser go break up a domestic, maybe do something productive and you too can go to a unit, if not shut your yap princess and don't hate!!!
Would you lazy ass motherfuckers on the watch stop crying about taking the gang teams out b/c we're short bodies!! when was the last time a gang car assisted you on your 3 hour old check the well being call??? I work in 006 on 3rd watch and we're always in a backlog, and for no damn reason! It's a busy district but there's no reason to stay down on bullshit anonymous calls for over an hour. You guys wan't to bitch about morale, you know what lowers my morale? handling bullshit jobs on someone else's beat b/c you wan't to be a fucking dog. You don't have to be a "company man" just handle your jobs!
here's the story
http://cltv.trb.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3165063
"The position of Tact Liutenant is being cut as of Jan 1 09. They are going back to the watches and the Tact teams will answer to the watch Commander.
Further the Tact teams are going down to 8 from 10 and they will work for the WC.
11/23/2008 07:53:00 PM"
This is true.
Suddenly I can see thru the smoke and mirrors: This is just a plan to get a bunch a of poor cops who are starving for any kind of recognition to do some work. Now the down side. You won't get any more money. Any time there is a promotional test all the folks working inside or not going to court will have more time to study. You will be BS'd into believing that all part 1's will glide you into a merit spot, but if you are the bright boys and girls I know you can be, you know those spots are inked in at City Hall by the Insane Leprechaun. In furtherance, you will lose time with your family, make J'Fed, shortshanks, and every other asswipe look good at a time when our contract is sitting on the fence. The first time something bad happens, you will get hung out to dry, as all "gang" units do. You will also be painted with the same brush if one member of your unit of over 100 members fucks up. Don't make too much overtime or you'll go in a new tax bracket and the taxes are killer. If you end up having to pay for childcare check out the cost first, it's outrageous but worth it of course. Just sayin' consider everything. I'm not gonna slam any of the new folks running that unit, I've never worked for either, but I will slam the one's that came up with this PR event. The Jster and Shortster. You know and now THEY KNOW that the only ones who can really fix this city are.....you got it. The working men and women of the Chicago Police Department. You get to decide now.
Out of all the stuff on here I can tell you one rumor will become fact.021 will be closed this winter as for what will happen to the guys their I don't know but you can take it to the bank (If it has not gone under).Wherever Howard Lodding goes it's soon to close.CHA Police,021 and now that he is an ADS of Admin look for as much as possible under admin to be privatized.
He shakes hands smiles tells all they are doing a great job that he loves you your mother and your dog then he disappears up the ladder and pulls it up with him while the ground underneath your feet starts shaking, breaking open and the next thing your in a free fall wondering where you will land.
Just where in the Areas are they going to put all of these people?
I bet all the Area 3 gangbusters will end up in the ghetto.
I totally agree with 10:14:00PM I'll bet the closest thing you have anymore to the old GCS anymore is a beat car because they (the good one's) always knew exactly what was going on in their and the surrounding beats. As a retired old GCS, we worked very closely with beat officers in all the districts and always had very good relations. It always surprises me when I come on here and see all the animosity between units and beat cars. Anyone who says beat cars don't really police this city are crazy. I'm not trying to start a war here but let's face it, they take call after call and know what's going on in every "bad" house on their beat. Who's running with who, who's running from who, who's shooting at who! If any good supt really wanted to have great teams, he'd take a GC officer, a dick, a dog cop, a youth officer and a beat cop put them in a good unmarked on every beat then throw in a couple of computer people to organize all that info and it would all be over.
This idea sucks...big time. Instead of establishing more citywide units, do something that might be productive J-Fed. What, you ask? Here's some opinions from the "rank and file":
1. Reduce the size and number of citywide units. Most of the enforcement strategies that are assigned to citywide units can be handled on the district level by the present tact/gang teams. They can even be handled by beat cars if they were fully staffed.
2. Hold district commanders responsible for their districts. Give them the manpower and equipment to do the job.
3. Have the city council resurrect the the old disorderly conduct charge, or something like it. Five shitheads standing on a corner dong nothing leads to something. Lock 'em up and they can't be victims or offenders. I will never understand how a police officer, with his training and experience, can't determine a "breach of the public peace".
4. Tell the ministers and community activists that there is a difference betwen right and wrong...choose a side...and choose the side of right. Quit enabling the shitheads.
5. Get back to basic crime fighting. If this needs an explanation, then bosses don't deserve to be bosses. Neither do you.
6. Supply the troops with the best equipment possible, ie vehicles, radios, computers, etc. (No camera, GPS device, computer, etc ever, in the history of policing, ever put a set of cuffs on a bad guy.) Only a cop, having the right equipment to accomplish his mission, does that.
7. Re-build morale. As a boss you have to support the people doing the job. As always, about 80% of the work is done by 20% of the police. Those fucks abusing the medical, laying down on jobs, going the other way of in-progress calls need to suffer consequences. Enforce rules and regulations on the people abusing the rules and regulations. Stop the petty bullshit.
8. Please, please promote some leaders...not empty holster do-nothings that only know to kiss ass to get ahead.
9. Read a book. Start with Broken Windows, then Bratton's book. It worked in NYC and now is working in LA. Somebody has something right.
10. Talk to a real cop working a real beat car in a real district...not the fantasy fucks living in the specialized "think tank" positions at 35th street.
11. Realize that there is other crime than gangs and drugs and killings. Real people in real Chicago neighborhoods are concerned also about burglary, theft, robbery and auto theft. Here's a clue. Those are crimes too.
12. As the boss - Superintendent -admit to yourself that you are not the brightest bulb in the pack. There are a number of brilliant police officers, sergeants, lieutenants and captains that know a hell of a lot more than you do. Seek them out for their advice. If you can't figure out who they are, maye SCC can help.
13. Prepare, J-Fed, for the worst. Your ideas have been done before. They're old hat. They didn't work then and they most likely won't work now. Crime will go up and up.
14. Your new gang unit may fail. A lot of sergeants and police officers will bail. Many will file grievances because they bid for their spots and furlos based on the old organization of being on gang teams in the districts, not the new OCD organization. Your unit will eventually be staffed by unschooled police, like your MSF is. After all, you already had to reduce requirements for MSF for cops from 5 yrs to 3 because no one would apply. 400 cops running in circles will look like 400 cops running in circles and accomplish nothing. Prepare for that.
Thank God this year is almost over. You have only 2 more to fuck things up even more.
- signed: Roscoe Rules
Another stupid idea... What is this guy thinking?
Just like the PODs... it will do nothing but push the dealers to new corners.
Gangbangers are not going to stay when "the block is hot" with cops, they will set up shop somewhere else.
Like on your block! Get ready to see J-Dogg and his buddies dealing on your corner and no police to stop them.
Some gang guys are idiots and don't understand...
Being ASSIGNED to OCD means that if they dump you, then you can be sent to ANY district and to ANY watch until bidding out. So if you live in 016 and get assigned to 005 3rd watch.. good luck! Try to pick furloughs in the OCD unit as well... That's going to hurt all the 3 year wonders.
Get use to sharing lockers, or not having any, because some of the Areas do not have enough.
And leaving early.. hahahahahaha
Not when you have other officers from other districts reporting at the same time, same place.
And many gang officers had a good point.. how can they gather intel when working an unfamilar area?
Well at least the GPS in the car can find you when you get lost.
Who will handle the gang disturbances when the gang team is assigned to another district's hot spot? The beat cars? A much longer backlog now? Or more sgt's just coding them out? I forsee denied lunches.
Way to screw the beat guy.
People of the relief pool say:
"Misery loves company!"
All this talk about gangs and shit. Gangs... PLEASE! Now-a-days it's block vs block. Each block calling themselves something different! They might be "GD" but they call their sets something else like in 007 there is: Buck Town, Crash Town, 3rd Ward, etc etc... They're all fucking GDs but they all fight each other. There is no fucking hierarchy, there's no fucking leaders. It doesn't matter who you lock up, some other set will spring up!
Any person working gangs for the past 10-15 years will tell you this. Even the Latin gangs are starting to do this. You have Two-Six sets: Dub Side, Chi-Town, K-Town and sometimes they'll have beefs against other sets. It's happening all over. SD's, Latin Kings, Latin Saints, etc etc!
It doesn't end, it won't ever end. There are only a few things that will stop it and they're very extreme. We don't have enough police to keep the murder rate down.
21st District is not going anywhere unless the University of Chicago gives the nod. That will not happen.
Gorman made Lt. off the test not merit. Sorry haters!!
11/23/2008 05:46:00 PM
But did he make Sgt Merit?
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Who gives a sh*t you loser. If he did make it by merit he deserves it. He was a hell of a copper, great gang guy and all around great person. Not to mention hes been shot in the line of duty during the bulls riots, was on the team in the 90s in gangs south that did the investigation on the gangster disciples that led to the 39 top leaders including hoover to be taken out... yeah, i think he deserves it...hater
Sorry trolls Area Saturation, Gun, and Midnight Gang teams are still in business suck it loser go break up a domestic, maybe do something productive and you too can go to a unit, if not shut your yap princess and don't hate!!!
11/23/2008 10:51:00 PM
Two problems with your comment...first, you speak as if breaking up a domestic is beneath you. That is the meat and potatoes of working in patrol, but the "special" police like you worked in patrol for one or two years so you wouldn't know much about that. Second, you imply that you are doing something "productive" in your special gun team or sat team. Productive like one-bag arrests or home-invasions to get a rusty, non-functional weapon? Yeah, that's real productive. Wake up, gangs and drugs are not going away, neither are poverty, illiteracy, or stupidity. One day, you'll wind up back in a beat car, but until then:
SUCK IT
"....Jody has a fascination with Leo S....."
I know what it is. They are having man-boob contest that ends at the end of this year. The one with the best man-boobs gets to....
Kees me you fool!!!!
Heh, heh, now the gang teams will have to lock up others besides drinkers on the corner.
11/23/2008 08:54:00 AM
we know u dont even do that..u no good lazy ass....u let drinkers go, let them drink on your front porch if you dont care
Anonymous said...
I must say, the majority of the P.O.'s I know, watch and gang teams, think this is the first good idea to come out of the new administration, lets give it a chance guys befor you all start whining. For those of you on the gang teams that dont want to do it, all you have to do is tell your commander, he will gladly put you back on the watch, remember, you VOLUNTEERED to be on the gang team.
11/23/2008 08:24:00 PM
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This comment obviously came from a guy in a shit district that is working these areas anyways. This isn't a bad thing I agree!
However,its just a BAD THING for the Northside A/3 and Part of A/5 and 013,022,021,001,012 soft district police gang teams that now have to leave their cush spots to go somewhere they never thought they would have to go.
Enjoy.............
Jody will now be microanalyzing you among the others that work in OCD/GANGs whatever..........
SNEAKS???
I DON'T THINK SO DUDES!!!!!
You better be there when they need ya or you are dumped and not back to 018,020,017,016 022,019,023,etc. etc.
BACK TO WORK YOU GO SOLDIER!
Good Luck
That makes me wunt to work even harder.NOT....ITS TO LATE jfed ..tHINK ABOUT IT.IF WHERE NOT WORKING NOW,WHAT MAKES U THINK WE ARE GOING TO WORK NOW
11/23/2008 11:08:00 AM
G.E.D. grad?
Don't run for the carrot. Let the bastards sink with the ship they built!
Watch and see, all kinds of well respected sgts and Lts names are gonna be thrown up on this one. It's the only way this fucking irish midget and his sidekick are going to be able to lasso you into this inferno they have created. Don't fall for it. Fuck them! What did they EVER do for you.
Jody is still trying to figure out how the suburban departments can do it with one man cars.
You better be there when they need ya or you are dumped and not back to 018,020,017,016 022,019,023,etc. etc.
What about 001,etc. etc.?
Drop them off on my porch. Anyone can drink on my porch!! THE PORCH DRINKER
How does anyone know who made it for real or merit? I personally don;t care as long as you "merited" it! At least give me that! It should be on paper each and every merit and why they were awarded it! The CPD is like a group of children at a drawing and everybody screaming "fixed" everytime the list comes out! POST IT!!!!! If you merited it you should not be ashamed to go to roll call everyday!
Anonymous said...
That makes me wunt to work even harder.NOT....ITS TO LATE jfed ..tHINK ABOUT IT.IF WHERE NOT WORKING NOW,WHAT MAKES U THINK WE ARE GOING TO WORK NOW
11/23/2008 11:08:00 AM
G.E.D. grad?
11/24/2008 03:04:00 AM
Why yes thanks, are you a college grad with no ambition stuck here?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Does anybody want my spot on 1368 team? Oh I mean the area wide OCD/MSF/Jody Weis ass kisser team?
A beat car never looked so nice. No more arrests fro me just paper jobs. YEAH
11/23/2008 12:10:00 PM
ANOTHER DO NOTHING DOUCHE BAG!!!! KMA!!!
11/23/2008 10:14:00 PM
Yes I am KMA and going to retire in 4 years, ahh no pending cr numbers, no big arrests never will serve warrants, will get my pension and relax while we see you at your fund raisers!
Why did gang crimes south work?
(N&W also)
Because they had the best arrest card file in the city. Photos, nicknames, scars, tattoos, known associates, etc.
AND,
because the files were augmented by beat and tac coppers those same pos were always allowed to utilize the files for information.
Area Dicks also had great files...
UNFORTUNATELY, as always...
cards without IR #'s and CB#'s had to be purged, this happened in every tac office as well with the arrest cards. Years of good solid work knowledge were pissed away.
claiming that it was a constitutional infringement eventually ALL of the files were purged.
The "new" unit or I should say the newly named "old" unit is about to start from scratch.
Advice: keep your own copies of information on flash drives and keep them protected.
they shall be taken away.By a fed
J-pud is always trying to reinvent a wheel in this dept. Too bad his all come out square.
Great take away my car and make me the field Lt. The price of gas went down anyway. No car no Tact Lt. you would be a fool to do it without a car, too much work.
11/23/2008 06:16:00 PM
TOO MUCH WORK??? Our Tact Lt sits on his ass all day, and never leaves the office. But he's a whiz at crossword puzzles!!
Kinda great timing in creating this "unit". It doesn't affect me but in my district, the watch bids for 2009 have already been completed and posted. Now, for those Sgt's & P.O.'s being sent to this gang B.S., it's too late to bid for a watch. If you want off your gang team, you're at the whim of your Commander. Where I work, you have decent amount of P.O.'s & Sgt on gang teams who could be a successful bidder for days. The timing is pretty shitty!
Not a huge Joe Gorman fan but I know for fact he was not a merit Lt.
Since you were honest about your opinion and didnt use it to lie about the merit I thought I would ask your honest opinion as to why you are not a fan?
"...........And quess what its not the economy when Hillard was Sup. we were around 600 alomost 700 and the murder capitol two years. And the economy was doing GREAT!!!
11/23/2008 03:22:00 PM
In '74 the count was 940, highest in the cities recorded history!!!!
3. Have the city council resurrect the the old disorderly conduct charge, or something like it. Five shitheads standing on a corner dong nothing leads to something. Lock 'em up and they can't be victims or offenders. I will never understand how a police officer, with his training and experience, can't determine a "breach of the public peace".
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ever hear of the constitution? you can't just lock people up becasue you think they might be doing something, even if it might at first glance appear to be a good idea.
Get the city council to pass an ordinance banning gang membership.
1981 Capt. Joseph McCarthy is appointed Dept. Bureau of Field Tactical Services. SOG is Combined with Gang Crimes Investigators. We all worked together In Gangs South, Gangs West, Gang North. Lots of City Ordinance Arrests. Lots of Gang Members Harrassed. Lots of Law Suits.
Lots of controversy about tactics.
Mayor Washington elected. Bureau is disbanded. Units broken down. Capt. is demoted.
ALL THOSE WHO REMEMBER: PLEASE POST COMMENTS.
11/23/2008 11:32:00 AM
First off, these were the days when arrestees went to the lock-up and didn't get out until they posted bond ($) or went to court in the morning. When we started getting paid for overtime, everyone was in the branch court every morning. They made Misd. key dates, closed some branches, then everyone started getting I bonds.
It's to the point, there is no one in the lock-up to use for line-ups.
"G.E.D. grad?
11/24/2008 03:04:00 AM"
"Class snob"?
"- signed: Roscoe Rules
11/24/2008 12:07:00 AM"
Jody say, "Ouch!! Damn, that hurt."
I heard a rumor long ago that Leo is related to weis somehow by marriage. Maybe weis' wife is leo's cousin? Im not sure, but there is a definite connection and if anyone truly wanted to do some digging im quite sure you could find it. But quite frankly i dont give a flying fuck, this dept has become a real joke and i enjoy watching the bosses try to create new shit that agian WILL NOT work. NOTHING will work until coppers get treated fairly and compensated, then MAYBE things will go back to the old days but i highly doubt it. Good Luck with your new unit, it will be needed.
Sorry, Dude. It's just not funny anymore. Get a new schtick.
11/23/2008 08:18:00 PM
You're right, it's not funny--it's sad because it's true.
To 11/23/2008 04:48:00 PM
Speak for yourself---I don't want the Keesing Bandit filling me in!
A lot of the problems in the districts with the high schools "going up" around 1330 hrs. are gang related problems that intrude into the schools.
Will the new "gang enforcement teams" be working those hrs., and will they assist in quelling those disturbances, since there are so few POS in the Districts?
Has J-Fed and Leo thought about this? Has this daily event citywide even figured into the "gang enforcement team" equation?
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