Eyewitness Testimony Destroyed
- The testimony of a key witness against a police officer charged with punching a man in the face inside a West Loop bar was undercut today when security video showed the officer outside the bar when the man was struck.
But Fahey then played footage from a second camera monitoring the exterior of the building that showed Barnes on the sidewalk outside at the moment when Vanderford said she saw him throw the punch. Fahey asked if she was still certain she saw Barnes strike Gilfand.
Vanderford hesitated before answering.
"Since no one can be in two places at one time ... I would say it's possible that I'm mistaken," she said.
Mistaken? Lady, you ought to be charged with perjury. And the ASA's prosecuting this disaster of a case ought to be fired by Anita Alvarez for missing this glaringly obvious hole in their case. This is looking more and more like a political persecution and a wholesale overreaction to a simple battery case between two groups at a bar.
No comment from Leo.
No comment from Leo.
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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One of the FUNNIEST SCC threads ever! Hysterical! And since OJ won with the glove dont fit you gots to acquit BS this should be an easy win for the boys! Keep it up, SCC you make me laugh
RULE 14 !!!
Thank God these officers didn't use Joe Roddy they would all be going to the penitentiary.
Good counsel exposes the truth and these coppers will be vindicated.
I hope that JFed fully reinstates them after this fiasco is over.
It is good to see that the police are finally getting some justice from the courts.
SCC,
The way you presented this might your best ever. Thanks!
Whew! Nature Boy here to tell you that crook county couldn't keep the four horseman down. Sorry a little flashback. Crook county on a publicity stunt witch hunt against cops during elections. Where you at Anita "soccermom" Alvarez your house of cards is crumbling.
WITCH----------HUNT!!! plain and simple.
If everytime an asshile in a bar got his lights punched out, the unemployment rate would be much higher. A shyster lawyer saw a chance to get a "Chicago Lottery Pay Off". Word spreads quickly about not going to trial & receiving a quick payoff !!!!!!
Ya have to ask, "Could Chuckie be getting a cut of these settlements ? With the way things are in Chicago, It's very possible.
Why hasn't the "G" been looking at Daley ? OOOOOPs I'm sorry, it's a continuing investigation.
When Chuckie Daley falls, we'll declare it a Holiday !!!!!!!!!
SCC,
outside your strange affection for hockey I seldom disagree with you, but this is one of those times. Eyewitness testimony is often wrong and I doubt the bartender's mistake approaches the line of "perjury". You know better and are smarter than suggesting that. At least I think you are. Unless you are planning a post retirement career as a defense attorney. Ok, the SCC as defense attorney comment was uncalled for.
This is also more than a "battery between two groups" or "mutual combat". It's clear from the tape who instigated the first physical action, the off duty cops.
This reflexive and natural "thin blue line" crap has to stop. I have no problem defending an on or off duty mistake or "judgement call" made by a cop. I do have a problem defending cops who get drunk in a bar, make the first physical move, beat the hell out of some civilians, wave responding officers away and embarrass themselves and the department. They not only put themselves in the trick bag, but they potentially could have harmed the careers of the responding cops and their supervisors.
We have more guys getting into trouble off duty with alcohol than we do with on duty corruption, unnecessary brutality, or honest mistakes in judgment.
To me this is worse than drunken, never should have been hired because of a recent DUI, Abbate, because it involved a group of cops, some not charged, and a supervisor who should have prevented the incident.
This kind of stupidity harms each and every member of law enforcement everywhere. Sometimes we all "wear the jacket" for the stupidest among us.
Now I do know the Judge did not throw out the case with a directed verdict. I do know that few people who read this site, including me, have seen all the tapes or heard all the testimony. Let the system work. These guys aren't Mike Mette who at worst made some minor bad calls and then defended himself against a drunken buffoon.
If I had to guess I would expect a mixed verdict. I wouldn't want to guess though as I haven't seen all the evidence.
If this were a civil trial though and I were on the jury I think I know which side I would come down on and the defendants would not be happy.
Now I need a drink. I'm at home though. Unlike Alderman Doherty I won't "hit my head" and then attack some paramedics.
I hope it works out for Jeff, Paul and Greg. They are all good guys and should not have been charged in the first place. It was a shit case from the get go. Good Luck boys
Figures. This case is going bye bye. Bet it gets about 2 seconds if at all on the news when they are acquitted.
RIP Detective Pat Barrins, Unit 620.
Barnes is a great guy.....And ONE of the Original Ground Zero Heroes........... He and I and 9 others went into Ground Zero after the attacks on 9/11..... Our team was the first to arrive from Chicago.............He is a HERO not a criminal!!!!!!
that is why it wasn't pursued at first, because it was and still is total bullshit.
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
Why would Leo need to comment? I don't understand this. Schmitz wasn't there. He wasn't involved.
It's out of his hands. Everyone knows this is a political prosecution. It's showing itself for what it truly is as the so-called "testimony" us revealed.
Everyone wonders how Leo was promoted after all of this. Leo had nothing to do with what happened at the bar at all. Now, some real promotion questions that I'd love to see answered are how the hell were Dugan, Tobias and Gulliford all promoted after what was discovered in SOS?
Mistaken?
These guys should sue her. She out and out lied.
They know this case is filled with huge holes. This is a political prosecution no doubt. They like to charge Agg. Battery because of the public way aspect, and to up the ante for those involved. Probably hoping that they would plead to misd. battery without risking a felony conviction. It is a shame that this happens because of political pressure. This case should be another 19P.
What we need to protest is the complete lack of leadership by the FOP. It is now Fri day morning i just checked the website and no announcment of the protest. Marky Mark doesnt want to protest but will wait until the last minute to announce one so no one will show up. The FOP is in bed with the city.It really may be time to decertify the so called union. Mark is doing everything possibel to make the mayor happy and not backing the membership at all.
certainly the special prosecution section of the cook county state's attorney's office has been overzealous in its prosecution of peace officers accused of wrong doing. i have had the pleasure of meeting many good asa's who are pro police and are quite embarrased by some of the cases that have been forwarded by the special prosecution unit against po's. case in point, many have said that some of these cases would be prosecuted as misdemeanors if it was just civilians involved, but were bumped up to felonies because peace officers were involved.
That picture is priceless. LMAO.
So fast to judge, so fast to point a finger, we've all seen the beefs flying fast and in all too many cases, recklessly. But we’ve all been there at one point or another, you check through the crowd for witnesses and find the one who saw the whole thing. Only to question a bit more to find they didn't see shit, they just happened to walk up on a scene and were reacting to the rumors going through the holy shit crowd.
The tone is not very promising, you see the scumbag that killed 4 coppers in Oakland CA is being called a hero by a small group that marched the other day, making excuses for what that piece of shit did...
I gotta go to the gym, get rid of some of this stress ...
Hey, come take a look at my cool M4.
I know I arrive at the scene long after it is secure but, I'm ready if it jumps off again.
Don't forget to watch WWE.
I can't imagine ever getting denied the felony upgrade again. I'm going to the W/C for the override for every battery citing this case for the rest of my career. The precident set in this case will grind the system to a halt and denials for bloody noses will make this case appear what it is... malicious prosecution. Good luck to these guys... all the cards have been stacked against them.
He is a HERO not a criminal!!!!!!
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Not a comment on this particular case, just life in general.
Human beings are complex critters.
Its completely possible for a cop that is on the take to enter a burning building to save a child. Or shoot it out with armed robbers. All the while taking payoffs from the mob to let their little enterprises alone.
Doing something heroic or otherwise laudable does not make up for other bad acts.
cops are still guilty, by just being within ear shot in crook county. Evidence? Dont need that, jury dont care about evidence
victims changing stories, witnesses lying!! conviction, count on it !
If, as a Detecive i called felony review and victims had inconsistant statements and witness lying they would laughing as they hung up the phone on me
ADA Navarro got launched when the case against Suchocki and Sherry fell apart.
The same thing should be done to that cop-hating witch Luann Snow. She's the worst. Will go after and fuck up a coppers life in a heartbeat. She had a raging hard on when Alvarez gave her that spot to go after the police.
What's it gonna be Anita. If you launched Navarro for blowing the other case then Snow should go.
Or are you just a man-eater?
SCC that picture was priceless!
Fucking hilarious. I blew my whiskey breakfast through my nose.
Don't forget to wear your chalkie hats/t-shirts to the protest. And bring your mini-cams to tape any force used against us. Imagine. It'll help in the lawsuit. The settlement that follows will be your raise and retro combined. Wishful thinking? I think not. But you can say I'm a dreamer. And I'm not the only one. Remember the Coop. Don't forget me or nuthin'
Ok. I'm done. Sorry. I'm a policeman.
Jeffie, Paulie and Greggie are all great guys. And since they spin yarn better than the barkeep bimbo, they should be able to walk away from all this unscathed. Score another one for the clouted, SCC. And Sgt. Braindead did the right thing by waving off the first wave of responding coppurrs. He had it so much under control the fate of the Three Stooges now rests with a Crook County Judge...I almost want to shed a tear for these heros...but first I've got to take a long dump.
This is why I hate when fellow officers jump all over officers accused of anything. They just can't wait to say something negative about them....sometimes they may have been in the wrong and SOMETIMES, just SOMETIMES things just aren't the way they seem (especially in the media). Come on guys, support your brothers until it is PROVEN they have fallen, even then they will need someone's support.
If you must go to bars, leave the police stuff elsewhere. Just pay the cover and not use your badge. There's lots of folks out there who don't like the police. Try to be more covert.
That man used to be my police commander...
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This is also more than a "battery between two groups" or "mutual combat". It's clear from the tape who instigated the first physical action, the off duty cops.
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Really? You can tell this by a partial video with no sound? WOW you're good!!! You have an excellent future in expert testimony if nothing else. Oh yeah, "ASSHOLE!!"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
Hey, if you get into a bar fight, do YOU lose YOUR job? NO!
If I had to guess I would expect a mixed verdict. I wouldn't want to guess though as I haven't seen all the evidence.
If this were a civil trial though and I were on the jury I think I know which side I would come down on and the defendants would not be happy.
Now I need a drink. I'm at home though. Unlike Alderman Doherty I won't "hit my head" and then attack some paramedics.
3/27/2009 01:42:00 AM
Clearly there is two rules of standard when it comes to perjury ... Charges are approved based on witness testimony ... Now on the stand under oath she has contradicted what she had obviously told prosecuters ... If a police officer makes an error in testimony on the stand it equals "aquittal" Lets hope the standard of truth applies here.
Anonymous said...
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
NO. I don't think it's OK for officers to get involved in in drunken bar fights off-duty, even if the assholes they fought deserved and provoked it. They should have taken some major time, but I wouldn't be quick to fire these officers based on this situation and based on a simple battery. And charging these officers with anything other than simple battery is fuckin' ridiculous.
99.9% of the time coppers get screwed its because of someones fucked up political agenda
SCC PLEASE post the letter which FOP has on their website encouraging everyone to participate in the march on city hall 2 April at 11am. Buses will leave 006, 008, 022, 016, A3, A4,A5 at 930 am. Everyone comes on here to bitch NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT!!!!!!! The department was quoted in the sun times as saying "officers will NOT come out in force" CAncel your sidejob for the day(we all need extra cash but this is very important to our futures), bring the kids if u cant get a sitter. Set the damn alarm. EVERYONE needs to go!!!!! We have all bitched about FOP doing nothing, now they have arranged transportation for us to get to city hall from every side of this city, NO FUCKING EXCUSES!!
INFORMATIONAL PICKETING
Thursday, April 2, 2009
11:00 am
City Hall
Washington and LaSalle
TRANSPORTATION FOR OUR MEMBERS WILL
BE PROVIDED AT THE FOLLOWING
LOCATIONS AND ARE SCHEDULED TO LEAVE
AT 0930 HOURS:
Area 5
THE CITY IS ATTEMPTING TO BACK THE LODGE INTO A
CORNER. NOW IS THE TIME FOR OUR MEMBERS TO
SHOW THE CITY AND MANAGEMENT HOW WE FEEL.
PICKET SIGNS WILL BE PROVIDED.
Please Post On FOP Bulletin Board!
006th District
016th District
Parking & Bus—Habetler Bowl
Foster & Northwest Highway
008th District Area 3
022nd District Area 4
Fact: The City withdraws Police financial proposal
Fact: Alderman Beale wants to stop our Uniform
Allowance and Duty Availability pay
Fact: The Department dismisses us by stating, “Officers
will not come out in force.” (Chicago Sun Times, 3/26/09)
The Mayor and Weis think that we will take whatever they
dish out and we don’t care enough to get out of bed and rally.
Now is the time to stand up to City Hall and Weis by marching.
Enough is enough! If we won’t stand up for ourselves
then Weis and the Mayor will win!
They think that they can strip us of our benefits and fail to
give us a pay raise without us reacting!
ON APRIL 2ND LET’S TELL
THEM THAT THEY ARE WRONG!
Please Post On FOP Bulletin Board
WILL FAHEY ,GREAT ATTORNEY.
Good luck Greg. I'll see you back at work soon.....sue the shit out of those yuppies, bar, and city!!!!!
ANY INFO ON THE FEMALE COPPER FROM 4TH DIST THAT GOT ARRESTED AFTER A S.W. WAS EXECUTED AT HER HOME AND FOUND DRUGS AND WEAPONS
both the female and the jefferson Tap should be sued when the officers are 100% exonerated, as I'm sure their Attorney will do. Supervisors should be forbidden by CPD Rules and Regulations with drinking with any of their men, friends on CPD, etc. If Weiss is so serious about Alcohol related bar room incidents, he would have issued this order already. Supervisors should lead by example. It is also unethical as it leads to favoritism, which further leads to un-favoritism to those who don't buddy-buddy with bosses off duty. Who will get the good asignments from their supervisors, the guys and gals who drink with the bosses, or the ones who don't? Its just a smaller form of Pay-to Play. Supervisors conduct is supposed to be impartial AND FAIR TO ALL EMPLOYEES.
those so called victims were in many bar fights in the past according to people who work at some of the bars up north. According to their co-workers at the board of exchange (who visit a few establishments), they're just spoiled "coke-heads" that do "that shit all the time". The attorneys were told of the rumors that they have been in bar fight situations before! I hope they did some background investigations on that group!
It's a FACT that the states attorneys office did not feel they had enough evidence to prosecute this case UNTIL the Abbate video surfaced, then those F**king bitches at the states attorneys office went after this group! It's NOT an aggravated battery case in my opinion. I've had victims stabbed/slashed over 10 times and they would NOT approve felony charges! They are hypocrites!
Just another Hot Headed Copper from the CPD.
.... HANG 'EM HIGH!!!
The news outlet already found them guilty, so they are guilty. End of Story.
To: 1:42
You are what is wrong with cook county jurys, you would cast your decision on emotion and not look at the law and facts to the case.
Anonymous said...
SCC,
outside your strange affection for hockey I seldom disagree with you, but this is one of those times. Eyewitness testimony is often wrong and I doubt the bartender's mistake approaches the line of "perjury". You know better and are smarter than suggesting that. At least I think you are. Unless you are planning a post retirement career as a defense attorney. Ok, the SCC as defense attorney comment was uncalled for.
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Yeah, it's only a mistake when it's a civilian. If a PO made a false statement or "made a mistake" under oath, he or she would be thrown under a bus.
Thanks for keeping up holding the police to higher standards than anyone else should live by.
Anonymous said...
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
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If you remove CPD from that question, it's the same question the millions of civilians who get into bar fights ask.
I question your earnestness.
What we need to protest is the complete lack of leadership by the FOP. It is now Fri day morning i just checked the website and no announcment of the protest. Marky Mark doesnt want to protest but will wait until the last minute to announce one so no one will show up. The FOP is in bed with the city.It really may be time to decertify the so called union. Mark is doing everything possibel to make the mayor happy and not backing the membership at all.
3/27/2009 07:35:00 AM
What, are you like 12 years old? Are you unable to read between the lines?
I know Donahue, I worked with Donahue, and it is not like I have regular contact with him, but I know him to be a good man, a good policeman, and a good FOP President. He does not practice slash and burn, or wilding and unrestrained rants, or calling for cutting off the heads of significant city leaders or members of the city's negotiating team, because those things do not helps us accomplish our goals. He knows you do not destroy bridges you will need, in the future, to assist your members. Plus dealing with a maniac on the 5th floor of city hall that out & out hates us, cannot be an easy task.
Donahue practices a restrained and mature approach and possesses a strength that we need as our union leader. In this instance, he is giving the powers that be, a chance to come back to the bargaining table and avoid the public protest of the membership, a protest that would occur at a most opportune moment for us and a critical moment for shortshank's olympic dream. In future, no one, on either side, will be able to say that Donahue did not give the maniac a sane, legal, and mature way out to avoid a large and organized protest, a protest that could significantly injure shortshank's dream and legacy.
Thirty years ago, we fought very hard to get unionized and represented by the FOP, in order to present an organized membership and strength to the city. Don't throw away the efforts of the past. Even if you were able to decertify the FOP, you will throw us all back to square one, and square one sucked. So much time will be lost in getting another union up to speed, and nothing says they would ever become up to speed.
And know this, I am not Donahue or one of his minions. I did not even vote for the FOP to become our union back in 1981. I am just a guy that has been around for a while and has seen how much we have advanced and are protected by being unionized and members of FOP Lodge #7.
how about fop take an ad out in su times stating officers from the west side self defense shooting in 2007 were cleared by ipra
Anonymous said...
Why would Leo need to comment? I don't understand this. Schmitz wasn't there. He wasn't involved.
It's out of his hands. Everyone knows this is a political prosecution. It's showing itself for what it truly is as the so-called "testimony" us revealed.
Everyone wonders how Leo was promoted after all of this. Leo had nothing to do with what happened at the bar at all. Now, some real promotion questions that I'd love to see answered are how the hell were Dugan, Tobias and Gulliford all promoted after what was discovered in SOS?
3/27/2009 06:22:00 AM
Thanks Leo for visiting the blog WOOOOOOOOOO!
Anonymous said...
Why would Leo need to comment? I don't understand this. Schmitz wasn't there. He wasn't involved.
It's out of his hands. Everyone knows this is a political prosecution. It's showing itself for what it truly is as the so-called "testimony" us revealed.
Everyone wonders how Leo was promoted after all of this. Leo had nothing to do with what happened at the bar at all. Now, some real promotion questions that I'd love to see answered are how the hell were Dugan, Tobias and Gulliford all promoted after what was discovered in SOS?
3/27/2009 06:22:00 AM
Leo was promoted cause he rides a harley,and ellyn God knows why? Another big mistake!
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
The shame is what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. Everybody is going by what they heard, including policemen. If they are Not Guilty, how canyou not allow them back? Just because you cooldn't get on the job, don't be a hater.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
Sure, why the fuck not, you fucking moron? Do you think we are punching bags? God help you if you bother ME when I'm trying to enjoy a drink or two. Also, most of us CAN and DO carry our peacemakers EVERYWHERE. There seems to be some misconception that we are prohibited from doing so @ liquor establishments. Keep that in mind next time your pansy-ass comes into the city from arlington heights looking for trouble. Bitch!
SCC, Is this jagoff day at SCC, or am I just reading drivel from two liberal non police fucks? Hey 1:42 and 5:17 a.m. please tell me you two are not the police! As usual, some no nothing asshole that was not on scene and probably got his info third party is going to sit back and judge other policemen.
Great, you saw the footage, does that tell the whole tale? I have no friends involved in this incident and saw only small blurbs of the video in question, but what drives me crazy is when some liberal, police bashing, fuck steps in and puts his two sense in.
I wasn't there and I don't condone a bar fight or off duty drunken conduct, but I also won't sit back and listen to some douchebag play armchair qb about and incident that has put other policemen in peril of losing their job and even worse, money out of pockets!! I'm sure you would have sat back and let someone taunt you about the passing of a family member.
Do us all a favor, you two fucks stay off the blog and go back to your law firm lunches or your sales calls, Like I said god forbid you're the police, b/c If you were my back up when shit happened I'd rather have a hype helpin me. Both you fucks should ask yourselves if poliemen aren't lookin out for each other who is?? GO POUND SAND ASSHOLES.
Everyone wonders how Leo was promoted after all of this. Leo had nothing to do with what happened at the bar at all. Now, some real promotion questions that I'd love to see answered are how the hell were Dugan, Tobias and Gulliford all promoted after what was discovered in SOS?
3/27/2009
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HAHAHAHAHA SOS STUFF! I believe all but 2 were aquitted. Yup 2! HMMMMMMMMMMM all this went down, same time Mette, Same time Cozzi, same time Abbate, Same Time tap. ELECTIONS ANYONE? Agenda anyone? SO get Fucked and get over the SOS thing because there WAS NO SCANDAL PERIOD. A ton of coppurs got screwed all over department because of these schanadigans the ASA's and media pulled. Anyone one can be a rogue cop ANYWHERE if they choose. More officers have been indicted and fired from distrcts. SO PLEASE!.
So what about all the bisses who supervised them?
SCC start posting things to help get people out to support the picket line.
Did the Area 1 gun team do a search warrant on Chief of Staff Masters' house?
Thank God these officers didn't use Joe Roddy they would all be going to the penitentiary.
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True dat. Joe Roddy is a gigantic anus.
These guys had every right to do what was captured on video. Everyone knows that when you place your quarter on the pool table and call "Next" it's proper etiquette...Finding Not Guilty.... Now rack'um!!!
You know what for the asshats that are still drilling the cops involved and portraying them as bad guys, my message to you is GO FUCK YOURSELF.
A copper (yes we're human just like you) lost his father and went out with some buddies/co-workers to tip a couple jars and talk about stuff, you know (the good times and remembering ones loved one) and yes we (the police) do shed a tear every now and then and those fucking jagoffs in the bar making their jokes and fucking with the coppers so much that the coppers finally had to have some words with them and then asked them to leave the bar. Putting pool balls down the pockets was not only a way of saying "game over - you guys have to leave" but it was a way of removing many weapons from the situation before they could have been used against any of the coppers. Obviously, these assholes were looking and wanting trouble and they found it by fucking with guys that could handle themselves and that actually refrained from doing a lot worse to these assholes. To the officers involved; Thank God this case against you is falling apart. Stay stronge and things will get better for all of you down the road.
outside your strange affection for hockey I seldom disagree with you, but this is one of those times. Eyewitness testimony is often wrong and I doubt the bartender's mistake approaches the line of "perjury". You know better and are smarter than suggesting that. At least I think you are. Unless you are planning a post retirement career as a defense attorney. Ok, the SCC as defense attorney comment was uncalled for.
This is also more than a "battery between two groups" or "mutual combat". It's clear from the tape who instigated the first physical action, the off duty cops.
You are a moron, and that is why opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. You saw the video, but were you there, did you get the hole story? No you are making judgements based on your extensive knowledge.. You have probably never been in a fight your whole life, and this is not about the thin blue line, its about what is fair. These officers are being persecuted because of who they are, not becasue of what happened.
Why is it anytime the police are involved with something, especially when alcohol may be involved, every tom, dick, and harry scream the thin blue line? You know why, because until you have walked a mile in our shoes, you will never understand....
This reflexive and natural "thin blue line" crap has to stop. I have no problem defending an on or off duty mistake or "judgement call" made by a cop. I do have a problem defending cops who get drunk in a bar, make the first physical move, beat the hell out of some civilians, wave responding officers away and embarrass themselves and the department. They not only put themselves in the trick bag, but they potentially could have harmed the careers of the responding cops and their supervisors.....
Goes to show how much you know about this incident. I have seen the tapes and it does appear to be a mutual comatant thing here. So what,,every bar fight now will be made into an Agg Batt?? The only reason it's gone this far is because they are the police. I don't disagree with you as far as getting drunk and acting up makes us all look stupid but mistakes happen. Has anyone showed the bagckgrounds of these alleged victims!? Innocent my ass! I also know these guys and every last one of them is a great guy. Sgt plainey is one hell of a boss and wish there were more of him on this dept. It is unfortunate. These victims started it then get their asses handed to them now because the other guys were police its new? Like I said, I know each one of these guys. PP's dad had recently passed away and he was grieving. These innocent victims did nothing but antagonize him when they saw him crying over his lost father. If you asked me, these officers restrained themselves. Don't know if I could have done that. I hope to see this nightmare behind these guys.
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
So because were CPD, we are in a bar having a few, which is our right since we are over 21, and some dickweed provokes and threatens us we just have to sit there and take it?
Your confused, no your dumb, so if you get into a fight that was not instigated by you, you fight back and come out ok, you should automatically lose your job and not be prosecuted? Come on think before you speak, yes we are held to a higher standard even though we are treated like the slugs by a lot of you, so a higher standard would be a suspension if warranted but lose your livelihood, come on people wake up!!!!!!!!!!!
Great video on Olympic Myths.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQxp0lqimxU
This hipocrasy would make Aristotle flip over in his grave. The Founding fathers of the Olympics would raise from the dead in ancient Greece and curse City Hall.
SOUNDS LIKE THE SAME B.S CHARGES / ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE S.O.S GUYS. AND LOOK HOW THATS GOING. GET READY BOYS TO SAY CA-CHING PAY ME. SOMEONE OWES THESE POLICE A NICE CHECK. " YES WE CAN CHANGE" INTO DOLLARS$$$$$$$$.
it was a bar fight. the pussification of America continues!
Hey is that the former owner of s&s gym on 155th street? Call the daily southtown and ask about the "investigation" seems ric sold the place but is a stroid induced moment "forgot" who he sold it to! Oh no does ellen have fedheimers to? Time for retirement guys please your services LOL are no longer needed!!
"No comment from Leo."
Then ask Mary. She'll be back from suspension soon.
Anonymous said...
I hope it works out for Jeff, Paul and Greg. They are all good guys and should not have been charged in the first place. It was a shit case from the get go. Good Luck boys
3/27/2009 01:59:00 AM
I hope everything works out for the ON duty officers that don't deserve to be sued due to the actions of others...
I hate to say this but if they beat this "BULLSHIT" trial there is NO way in hell that your fearless leader will reinstate them . That's just the way it is today . Jody wants no one back on the job once they've comitted some type of rule violations. He is a fuckin' putz and will always be one . I hope that one day down the line he gets his and I'm sure he will. Jody , ROT IN HELL !
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Anti-police rally calling the killer of 4 Oakland Policemen a hero.
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/306703.html
This is what the world has come to.
Good news thou,
A good portion of the protesters themselves will be dead or their relatives due to street violence...
...and guess who they are going to call
What the fuck ! When is Fitzgerald going after daley!!!
NBC Reports Monterray Security working on meters for LAZ Parking.
Owner bio: "As president and founder of Monterrey Security, Juan Gaytan oversees all aspects of the business. Juan has created a training program that exceeds state requirements and far surpasses the competition. He understands the big picture and has recruited a management team that draws on the expertise of police, firefighters, public safety professionals, client relations directors, risk managers and professional sports executives. Juan has built Monterrey Security around the operating philosophy of protection, prevention and service.
As a former member of the Chicago Police Department for nearly a decade, Juan has set the bar for shaping the security and service techniques that Monterrey Security staff employs every day. During his years on the police force, Juan served as a beat officer and later as a member of the Community Alternative Policing Strategy (CAPS) Team. Juan was also a member of the Mayor's Housing Enforcement Task Force in Chicago, enforcing City building regulations to reduce criminal activity and charging absentee landlords for negligence to their properties where crime was fierce. He was also featured on the Police Department's "Crime Watch" program. "
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Just heard on the radio that the protest is planned for a time/day when the Olympic Committee WON'T EVEN BE HERE????
WTF is up w/that? Lot of good THAT'S going to do!!! I like the idea of dogging them at every stop!!!
lucky BASTARDS!
Again...If they were UPS guys, factory workers, com-ed guys,it's just a bar fight....but find out they are police & it's time for BIG money & who cares if ya ruin some lives...Miss bartender lie's in court & still has a job! Was this the first bar fight she ever saw???? This one was just worth getting involved, huh? RULE 14 for Miss bartender!!!
Anonymous said...
Thank God these officers didn't use Joe Roddy they would all be going to the penitentiary.
3/27/2009 12:11:00 AM
This guy is 100% right. Joe Roddy? Talk about being in bed with the city. Joe's got to go.
3/27/2009 01:42:00 AM
This reflexive and natural "thin blue line" crap has to stop. I have no problem defending an on or off duty mistake or "judgement call" made by a cop. I do have a problem defending cops who get drunk in a bar, make the first physical move, beat the hell out of some civilians, wave responding officers away and embarrass themselves and the department. They not only put themselves in the trick bag, but they potentially could have harmed the careers of the responding cops and their supervisors.
***I truly pray that you are not a policeman. If you are then you should apply to the F.B.I. I can assure you that you would fit in perfectly there. Every copper on this department has made (or will make) a mistake at one point or another (on or off duty) in their career. How do you come to the conclusion that they were drunk? Made the first aggressive move? Beat the hell out of civilians? (from what I saw at the trial the civilians lied about their injuries). Where you there when it happened? Or maybe you are just like all the other assholes out there who takes the Sun Times as gospel truth? Maybe you should reserve your comments till after the trial. Then again, you are probably just gonna spout more vile shit after these poor guys are found NOT GUILTY. What they did was not criminal and most certainly NOT A FELONY!
Just remember your own words and your snap judgements when your mistake happens (and I hope you don't hurt yourself or any other coppers). This isn't about the "Thin Blue Line". It is a witch hunt plain and simple. If you are not gonna support these guys (which is obviously your choice) then please reserve your "I'm the perfect policeman and screw them" bullshit till after the verdict comes down.
These guys are good coppers (and great men) and deserve your respect (and the benefit of the doubt) until after the verdict is read.
Law enforcement is the first level of our government that is available to our citizens. Unfortunately our government leaders use the prosecution of law enforcement personnel as a way of saying, "Hey things are sure fucked up, but we're going to prosecute these police officers for a felony so we can show you that everything is going to get fixed!"
The politicians running this government fucked up this country. They're more than happy to divert attention from their own screw ups by prosecuting law enforcement personnel. Given this, there are more things more detrimental to our society than a bar brawl involving off-duty coppers. In my opinion, if you want to prosecute government employee misdeeds, prosecute every single elected whore, democrat and republican, in Washington DC that enabled our economic disaster. SCC is right: This bar brawl was between two groups at a barwas nothing more than simple battery.
On the other hand, the economic disaster that's causing tent cities to rise throughout the country was treason.
What we need to protest is the complete lack of leadership by the FOP. It is now Fri day morning i just checked the website and no announcment of the protest. Marky Mark doesnt want to protest but will wait until the last minute to announce one so no one will show up. The FOP is in bed with the city.It really may be time to decertify the so called union. Mark is doing everything possibel to make the mayor happy and not backing the membership at all.
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Another idiot with an axe to grind,a computer and no clue.
One of the FUNNIEST SCC threads ever! Hysterical! And since OJ won with the glove dont fit you gots to acquit BS this should be an easy win for the boys! Keep it up, SCC you make me laugh
3/27/2009 12:07:00 AM
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If the video don't fit, you must acquit.
They teach that to every first year law student.
It's out of his hands. Everyone knows this is a political prosecution. It's showing itself for what it truly is as the so-called "testimony" us revealed.
Everyone wonders how Leo was promoted after all of this. Leo had nothing to do with what happened at the bar at all. Now, some real promotion questions that I'd love to see answered are how the hell were Dugan, Tobias and Gulliford all promoted after what was discovered in SOS?
3/27/2009 06:22:00 AM
It is a wonder how SOS was forgotten and Tobias is still ADS. Dugan running the patrol division. SOS was a clear example of leadership gone bad.
I know this-
Dugan was promoted to Lt. in 95 and went to 001 tac. no stops in between. Supposedly came right from the 5 th floor. He is capable but still heavy.
Tobias- Do no know who is original clout was but the Mayor loves this guy and his BS Marine nonsense.
Goodbye Capt. Glombicki, what comes around goes around...Sorry 021...with any luck he'll retire. Happy days are here again, look for the activity to pick up on 2W, thank you 35th.
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Mayor Daley's son and nephew have hired a criminal defense attorney to represent them in the ongoing investigation of their investment in a sewer-cleaning company that won millions of dollars in no-bid contract extensions from City Hall.
Mayor Fredo says yes he knows them and then an aid states that they are not part of the inner circle.
Who will Fredo give up to save his son and nephew?
Why in the world would you guys keep taking the heat for the midget?
Hey SCC... I think there should be a 4 day top of the blog posts encouraging everyone to attend the "informational picket". How about it? We really need a strong showing and this obviously is the right forum to get the word out! (it will be another chance to show the "insignificant" comment as ignorant) If you do, I personally will carry an SCC banner in the front row!!!
We can even make a mockery of the west side BS rallies ... "NO JUSTICE NO PEACE IF NO RAISE FOR POLICE!"
"To me this is worse than drunken, never should have been hired because of a recent DUI, Abbate, because it involved a group of cops, some not charged, and a supervisor who should have prevented the incident."
Dear Whitebearded Swallow,
I'm going to address only this segment of your rabble but trust me when I say, "you sir are an asshole!"
To put these guys in the same category as Tony is so far fetched it makes me wonder how ignant you is. A group of cops acting as a pack of savage dogs, attacking all in their doomed path? Poetic retardation sir.
I wasn't there (I drink in the alley), but I know all the players involved-CPD wise. Good guys, good cops and guys you want on your side. The Musketeers used a very similar credo: All for one and one for all. They took care of each other and delt with a handful of trash. Nothing more.
Stick to what you know; blowin' guys like me in the alley when I'm drunk. Hiccup.
Lets all take a moment to remember the four Police Officers from Oakland, Ca who were murdered by a scumbag piece of shit. May they rest in peace.
The alleged taunting of a distraught Officer Powers provoked the attack?
Whatever happened to sticks& stones, names will never hurt me?
The Sgt. was on duty soon as he waved off the rsponding 12th district officers?
The bigger question how do these officers remain on duty for an off-duty incident? Can you say Clout? Business as usual....
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Congratulations to Commander Mike Mealer of the 017th district. Not only are you one of the most arrogant exempts on J-Feds staff, you now took the last true respectable captain (Tom Libert) and dumped him out of the district. Way to go you insecure little twit.
To the men and women of the 3rd watch in 017, this is a hugh slap in the face to each and every one of you. Don't take your frustrations out on Tom's replacement. He had nothing to do with the dump.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
Would you lose YOUR job if you get into a fight?
ANYONE WHO CAN, PLEASE JOIN THE MARCH ON APRIL 2ND TO SHOW THAT PIECE OF SHIT DALEY THAT WE STAND TOGETHER!
which is why eyewitness testimonies are garbage, hot fucking garbage.
Sue that bitch !!! It's time we start so the next person who wants to lie on the police might think twice...
None of those guys should be the police again. ever.
FOP page: the lodge will protest on April 2nd. States they were backed against the wall. good work men/ladies with your picketing and I truly hope you are all rewarded with a much better contract. we, the public, are behind you. thanks for the services rendered.
ISPeeved referring to their new leader as "J-Kid" pretty good... But I wonder where they got that one??? Still pretty good!
how about a jib jab starring Jfed and Jkid?!?! Anyone?
Damn SCC - I hope you're okay.
It is almost 2315 and you have not posted any of the breaking news or any updates......
Hope all is well!
Anonymous said...
SCC,
outside your strange affection for hockey I seldom disagree with you, but this is one of those times. Eyewitness testimony is often wrong and I doubt the bartender's mistake approaches the line of "perjury". You know better and are smarter than suggesting that. At least I think you are. Unless you are planning a post retirement career as a defense attorney. Ok, the SCC as defense attorney comment was uncalled for.
This is also more than a "battery between two groups" or "mutual combat". It's clear from the tape who instigated the first physical action, the off duty cops.
This reflexive and natural "thin blue line" crap has to stop. I have no problem defending an on or off duty mistake or "judgement call" made by a cop. I do have a problem defending cops who get drunk in a bar, make the first physical move, beat the hell out of some civilians, wave responding officers away and embarrass themselves and the department. They not only put themselves in the trick bag, but they potentially could have harmed the careers of the responding cops and their supervisors.
We have more guys getting into trouble off duty with alcohol than we do with on duty corruption, unnecessary brutality, or honest mistakes in judgment.
To me this is worse than drunken, never should have been hired because of a recent DUI, Abbate, because it involved a group of cops, some not charged, and a supervisor who should have prevented the incident.
This kind of stupidity harms each and every member of law enforcement everywhere. Sometimes we all "wear the jacket" for the stupidest among us.
Now I do know the Judge did not throw out the case with a directed verdict. I do know that few people who read this site, including me, have seen all the tapes or heard all the testimony. Let the system work. These guys aren't Mike Mette who at worst made some minor bad calls and then defended himself against a drunken buffoon.
If I had to guess I would expect a mixed verdict. I wouldn't want to guess though as I haven't seen all the evidence.
If this were a civil trial though and I were on the jury I think I know which side I would come down on and the defendants would not be happy.
Now I need a drink. I'm at home though. Unlike Alderman Doherty I won't "hit my head" and then attack some paramedics.
3/27/2009 01:42:00 AM
It is quite clear your a cop by your remarks. I must say you are a fuck heard rat bitch and I would never ever want you to go to be a witness for a beef on me to IAD or IPRA! YOu sir are a prick! Grow some fucking NUTS! PUSSY! These men are gonna be back at work and they may one day back you up on a domestic! Grow Some nuts and stick up for your comrades right or wrong. By the way these Jefferson tap guys are in the right 100 %
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
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Youve never been in a barfight? Really? Oh thats right, you must be a sensitive guy.
I love the fact that there are scumbags that give their opinion without going to the trial and seeing all the evidence in this case. These so called victims lied thru their teeth. Every single person that the state put on the stand was found not to be telling the truth, thru the video and statements that they made and ended up changing after the civil lawsuits started. Just because one of the victims got a broken nose and none of the police were hurt, that turns into the police are wrong?? Barnes got indicted by an eyewitness who swore to a grand jury that he was the one who punched and broke the victims nose, well the video shows that Barnes is outside on the sidewalk during this ALLEGED beating, "Well since nobody can be in two places at once, I could be wrong" that's all Barnes gets, put thru the ringer and thats all the satisfaction he gets. Thank god for that video because there are people (scumbag hacks) who find that the victim is more believable than the officer for some unknown reason. Just because there have been police officers in the past who have abused their powers is it fair to say that the cops are always wrong? These guys only wanted money! As for the Sgt waving off the responding police cars, he never spoke with any of the officers and told them to leave, when asked if he was ok he simply stated that he's ok and everything is alright. That's not a wave off, sorry. When the cops were there nobody wanted anything done, why? Oh that's right, the bar owners lied too because they didn't want any report being made out because they can lose their license. What about this beating Powers throws on the guy....where did that happen? Not on video, how convenient. I love this job but I hate when our own turn against us when shit goes south. This could have happened to everyone on this job, for those who say not me, well.... your fucking wrong! The media ran with this case, election time, the Abbate incident, SOS....they just want to sell papers. All these opinions made by simply reading the junk that the media puts out there, well shame on you! You have an opinion, show up at the trial, you want to spread your view, be fair and see all the evidence before you open your mouth. Everyone wants to hold the police to a higher standard, well thats fine but then our accusers should be held to that same standard as well!!! I'm sick and tired of all these do nothing lying hacks on this site pushing their "I'm better than you" attitude. Sorry sometimes I like going to a bar and having a few, having some fun, like normal people do. Maybe lawyers shouldn't go out drinking, maybe judges shouldn't have any either, what about managers at Walmart, what about anybody with a career! Come on fair is fair, catching cops dirty is one thing stretching the truth into a lie just to hammer them is another. All I know is there are only a handfull of cops that have been there every day, hopefully they can get a better turn out Tuesday for the closing arguments. We put our lives on the line everyday at work, now we are also putting our family's livelyhood out there too, we don't get paid enough for that. Where are all these bosses who say they have are backs? I haven't seen them there. Just be safe out there and use your head, watch each others backs cause the summer is here and the war on the streets is comming, be careful.
Did the Area 1 gun team do a search warrant on Chief of Staff Masters' house?
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You don't need to do a search warrant on his house. Just ask his best friend, Sgt. Ray, whose gun it was.
SCC
How about a post on why Cmdr. Mealer dumped a good captain to 024
Yes, I am a cop. Been one since the mid 80's. Sometimes police solidarity asks too much. This is one of those times. Mette got screwed. These bozos brought it on themselves. I could forgive Powers because he was in his mid 20's, but the glorious Sergeant was pushing 40 years old and should have known better. I wonder how the Judge, former ASA, is going to view that part of the tape where the "yuppie fuck" tries to make a phone call and gets his head bashed against a wall for it.
Yeah, all the cops will surely walk. I think that is about as likely to happen as a sober South Side Irish Parade,Mayor Daley admitting his corruption, or Eddy Vdrolyak walking without a prison sentence. Oops.
Maybe I'm wrong. Won't be the first or last time. I don't claim to know whether felony charges were appropriate as I haven't seen all the evidence, but I have seen enough evidence for lesser charges.
To those of you who didn't like what I had to say I suggest most of you consider not posting while drunk. Your spelin is horible.
To the poster who suggested I blow him in an alley. Sorry, I tried once, but I couldn't find your little Richie. I'm in my forties now and I forgot my magnifying glass.
As for the commenter who called one of the accused cops a hero for going to NYC after 9/11 I seem to recall a guy named Finnegan going to New Orleans after Katrina. Is he a hero too?
Perhaps we throw around the term "hero" to easily.
I'm sick and tired of the people who embarrass this department. That includes the Unfrozen Caveman Superintendent, The Mayor, Abbate,Finnegan,Callahan,the guy caught with child porn, the Jefferson tap clowns etc. Don't forget Phil Cline and his 6 figure salary from the memorial fund and his manly girth.
I don't expect perfection in any human being. I do expect the maturity to TRY to avoid bar fights, drunk driving, beating one's wife, and being a poochie Fucktard who avoids answering calls.
So I guess that means I'm not the "real police". So be it. I guess I'll sell the house, leave the wife and kids and move to Tunney's ward. Do you think I could hook up with Huberman? I'm mean if I'm gay for disagreeing with some of you I only hope I'm man enough for him.
Goodnight boys and girls. To SCC, even though I disagreed with you on this topic keep up the good work. Keep being a boil on the buttock of the powers that be. Oooh, I said buttock. I'm getting soooooooooooo hotttttttttttt.
We can even make a mockery of the west side BS rallies ... "NO JUSTICE NO PEACE IF NO RAISE FOR POLICE!"
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i like it...hell, I love it!!!
The only person who says a fight wasnt fair is the person who lost the fight.
"Doing something heroic or otherwise laudable does not make up for other bad acts.
3/27/2009 08:34:00 AM"
Actually, it does.
to the liberal that continues to say that it is a shame that they got into a fight and might keep their jobs...
YES anyone else in any job would still keep their jobs....so u think that when they become the police they become god and that it is no longer posible for them to make any mistakes? for the next 20-30 years?
Yes they made a mistake when they went out to a local bar to help their fellow officer adjust to the death of his father and when a bunch of liberals at the bar found that out they just couldn't help but to call that officer a pussy...time after time after time...from the way I understand it the officers there held back for quite a while before they made their mistake
"Youve never been in a barfight? Really? Oh thats right, you must be a sensitive guy.
3/27/2009 11:39:00 PM"
More like overly cautious when it comes to confrontations with inebriated armed Police Officers looking to flex their beer muscles
wHere's wHitney?
didja spot her!
Well Done! or Try Again!
"Grow Some nuts and stick up for your comrades right or wrong. By the way these Jefferson tap guys are in the right 100 %
3/27/2009 11:33:00 PM"
REALLY? Are you making sure Miedzianowski,Hanhardt, Flagg& Jones are getting everything they need while serving their sentences? Is wifey cutting a check each month to make sure Tony Abbate is managing w/o a paycheck? PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MONTH IS PUNK!!
"So because were CPD, we are in a bar having a few, which is our right since we are over 21, and some dickweed provokes and threatens us we just have to sit there and take it?"
IF YOU HAVE HALF A BRAIN IN YOUR HEAD WHICH OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T, TRY THIS SCENARIO. LEAVE. THERE'S ABOUT 500 HUNDRED BARS OPEN UNTIL 4AM THAT WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY & EVEN TOLERATE HEARING YOU TELL EACH OTHER HOW WONDERFUL YOU ARE.
99.9% of the time coppers get screwed its because of someones fucked up political agenda
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It is more like 99% of the time they get screwed as a consequence of their own actions.
The political agenda would not come into play if they weren't engaging in drunken brawling in the first place.
And yes, cops should be held to a somewhat higher standard. Frequently, it ends up being a much lower standard.
Goodbye Capt. Glombicki, what comes around goes around...Sorry 021...with any luck he'll retire. Happy days are here again, look for the activity to pick up on 2W, thank you 35th.
Thats what happens when you f*^k with people everyday and then have your useless daughter taken care of in 005 her whole career of 2 years. He thought he was untouchable.
To "The ASSHOLE POSTER"
“These bozo’s brought it on themselves”
How is that? Listen fucktard, what evidence did you see? That you saw enough of? The video that the media plays on TV, all the actions you see aren’t even part of the accusations moron, how the hell did you get the cops are guilty from the video since the State couldn’t? The cops are charged with acts that mysteriously happened outside the range of the security cameras. Listen you have obviously been jaded by these officers or most likely all officers cause you seem like a real fucktard. Your opinion is one that cops are always wrong, no matter what the real evidence shows. You’re a jag off, thank the lord that I don’t work in the same car as you. This will definitely not be the last time you’re wrong dummy. Throughout the WHOLE video it shows the officers being responsible, Powers had his gun taken away and secured as soon as they found out he had it with him. Cops do carry their gun with them into bars and I’m sure you have too asshat. The sgt actually diffused the situation at the pool table area prior to everything going to shit. The guy that got taken down at the pool table walked up to another officer who had his back turned and started talking crazy, thinking that shit was going to blow up MP took the guy down, not beat his ass, not kick him but simply protecting the other officer took the guy on the officers blind side down and secured him. That’s the evidence you saw asshat? Just because the officers didn’t make PERFECT decisions you’re telling me that they should be paraded in the media and charged with felonies??? Get it straight you dumb fuck this isn’t Abbate, SOS, or any other mess you want to compare it to. It’s simply an argument that went out of control and people involved saw $$$$ signs. I guess that you’ve never been out to a bar and had a confrontation, no arguments (I can’t believe that by your asshat opinions and views), man you’re the perfect person. Sit back and judge all you want dumb fuck that’s why you probably don’t have any friends on this job, don’t worry you’ll end up being a boss soon enough. Let’s be real, your statement of you not being the “real police” is right on and you know it, in you forties and mad at the world, don’t like nobody on this job in this city, probably in this lifetime. Hey just a thought, what evidence have you seen that Mette acted completely perfect? If you ever lock up anyone worthy of a court date goofball ask some of the State Attorneys what their opinion is on the case…..political agenda is a bitch.
Looks like so are you, no need for a magnifying glass just show up in the alley and get on those knees, don’t worry I’ll help you out by finding that sweet prison pussy you talk with.
Hack!
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
Hey, if you get into a bar fight, do YOU lose YOUR job? NO!
3/27/2009 10:08:00 AM
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No, they don't. They lose and in an attempt to sooth their bruised egos, the sue the city and the police officers for not saving them from themselves.
WELCOME TO CHICAGO!
It is quite clear your a cop by your remarks. I must say you are a fuck heard rat bitch and I would never ever want you to go to be a witness for a beef on me to IAD or IPRA! YOu sir are a prick! Grow some fucking NUTS! PUSSY! These men are gonna be back at work and they may one day back you up on a domestic! Grow Some nuts and stick up for your comrades right or wrong. By the way these Jefferson tap guys are in the right 100 %
3/27/2009 11:33:00 PM
"...stick up for your comrades right or wrong."? Please. In a bar there is nothing more obnoxious (and dangerous) than a drunken cop. I am speaking as someone who is a cop and used to work in the bar business. No, I am not the original poster. You, sir, are the nutless one. And so are all the others who mindlessly defend their "comrades" for the sake of that so-called thin blue line.
"Oooh, I said buttock. I'm getting soooooooooooo hotttttttttttt.
3/28/2009 01:51:00 AM"
Yep, you're gay.
"As for the commenter who called one of the accused cops a hero for going to NYC after 9/11 I seem to recall a guy named Finnegan going to New Orleans after Katrina. Is he a hero too?"
You recall like shit, jackass.
Finnegan went to NYC right after 9/11 and stood a post. Suchocki went down to New Orleans with the SWAT team right after Katrina.
No matter what either guy did or did not do you can't take that away from them. When our country was hit with two of the biggest disasters, they got off the couch and volunteered to help.
Suchocki did get paid to go to New Orleans with the CPD but it was volunteer only. Finnegan went to NYC on his own time.
What did you do? Jackass.
So you're saying that it's OK for CPD to get into fistfights in bars off-duty, and suffer no consequences? I'm confused....
If they get off, and keep their jobs, that's a shame.
3/27/2009 05:17:00 AM
What if a couple of doctors or CEO's had gotten into a barfight, should they lose their jobs. This was a bar fight, plain and simple. This happens all the time in bars across Chicago and no one ever gets charged with a felony. The states attorney who approved these charges should be cross examined and asked how many times he has approved felony charges in similiar cases. His answer would be Zero. Charges were only sought after this BS made the news.
"Doing something heroic or otherwise laudable does not make up for other bad acts.
3/27/2009 08:34:00 AM"
Actually, it does.
3/28/2009 04:25:00 AM
No, it does not. Otherwise PETA would use Hitler as a spokesman for a Vegetarian diet.
I posted that it would be a shame if they got off so easily. And I work in Public Safety myself. And yes, if I were charged as these Fine Gentlemen are, I would lose my job immediately. I'm not rooting against them, I just think it sends a bad message.
It's not the act itself, mind you, it's the coverup. Waving off the officers responding to the 911 call from the bar? Big mistake. If the two brothers were in fact the aggressors, and at fault, why weren't they hauled away? That's the part where I'm questioning things.
I meant no disrespect, but I stand by my opinion that these guys messed up huge. And it makes you all look like a bunch of thugs, defending them so blindly.
Yeah, it's only a mistake when it's a civilian. If a PO made a false statement or "made a mistake" under oath, he or she would be thrown under a bus.
Thanks for keeping up holding the police to higher standards than anyone else should live by.
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YOU TOOK AN OATH. Which DOES make you accountable to a HIGHER STANDARD than civilians. That is what is supposed to make people respect you and your judgement. I'm sorry so many of you seem to have forgotten that.
"No, it does not. Otherwise PETA would use Hitler as a spokesman for a Vegetarian diet.
3/29/2009 09:17:00 AM"
Uh, hitler is dead, so, not much speaking going on there.
Think you can come up with a better analogy?
This will definitely not be the last time you’re wrong dummy.
TRU that.
As for the Sgt waving off the responding police cars, he never spoke with any of the officers and told them to leave, when asked if he was ok he simply stated that he's ok and everything is alright. That's not a wave off, sorry.
The Sgt. never spoke to the responding officers and told them to leave BUT when asked if he was ok he told them he's ok and everything is alright? You're right, that's not a wave off. That's a disregard. Sorry.
Throughout the WHOLE video it shows the officers being responsible, Powers had his gun taken away and secured as soon as they found out he had it with him. Cops do carry their gun with them into bars and I’m sure you have too asshat.
Responsible? Were you watching video reruns of elmo? Yes, the responding district officers acted responsibly once they figured out what was going on. Those three involved? No. Thankfully none of these three had been drinking, otherwise someone might have been injured.
The sgt actually diffused the situation at the pool table area prior to everything going to shit. The guy that got taken down at the pool table walked up to another officer who had his back turned and started talking crazy, thinking that shit was going to blow up MP took the guy down, not beat his ass, not kick him but simply protecting the other officer took the guy on the officers blind side down and secured him.
That all makes perfect sense, but odds are good it's easier for a Bomb Tech to diffuse an explosive when he's sober.
That’s the evidence you saw asshat?
That's the asshat evidence I saw. What did you see again, Mr. Wonder?
Everyone wants to hold the police to a higher standard, well thats fine but then our accusers should be held to that same standard as well!!!
We SHOULD be held to a higher standard, and 99% of the CPD have figured that one out. Public opinion and politics are stacked against us more now than ever, but that's really nothing new. The ones who really suffer here are those of us who go through a 30 year career trying to do things the right way every day, only to be shoved into the same shit pile with the off-duty idiots who have no clue what personal responsibility means. You'd think a sgt. and two PO's could have figured out a better way to handle those morons, but the deck is stacked against you when zero brain cells are working.
Just because the officers didn’t make PERFECT decisions you’re telling me that they should be paraded in the media and charged with felonies???
No, but they should have tried to make RESPONSIBLE decisions. That's a little too complex for your one paragraph rambling mind to grasp. But not to worry, the two PO's will eventually get back on the job.
meant no disrespect, but I stand by my opinion that these guys messed up huge. And it makes you all look like a bunch of thugs, defending them so blindly.
3/29/2009 07:46:00 PM
Bitch, we are thugs. Thugs full of hugs for an end to drugs, whilst wearing bad rugs and drinkin' otta mugs. Snap! You still a back pedlin' fool.
YOU TOOK AN OATH. Which DOES make you accountable to a HIGHER STANDARD than civilians. That is what is supposed to make people respect you and your judgement. I'm sorry so many of you seem to have forgotten that.
3/29/2009 08:58:00 PM
Forgotten what?
Responsible? Were you watching video reruns of elmo? Yes, the responding district officers acted responsibly once they figured out what was going on. Those three involved? No. Thankfully none of these three had been drinking, otherwise someone might have been injured.
Hi ASSHAT, yes I said responsible. Let’s see what else you missed in the video evidence that they only play in court (which you don’t attend).
The Sgt broke up a fight at the pool table (responsible)
The Sgt separated powers in a heated argument over his father’s death (responsible)
The Sgt tried to get one of the drunken instigators to leave the bar (responsible)
After the drunk instigator returned the Sgt showed him the door again (responsible)
Powers leaves and encounters the instigator outside the Sgt separates them (responsible)
Walking back in the bar while the instigator states he’s going to wait outside for “that pussy”, the Sgt went over there and grabbed him by the shirt and told him to get the fuck away (responsible, questionable)
While this instigator was talking to the cops the Sgt walked over there and was instructed by the police to get back on the side walk, which he did (responsible)
Now the things he did which were questionable, well your pompous ass should show up at trial and see for yourself before you Monday morning quarterback anything…..ASSHAT.
That's the asshat evidence I saw. What did you see again, Mr. Wonder?
Well ASSHAT I saw the whole video, all the evidence the state has, all the witness testimony and the Sgt’s testimony….yeah that pretty much covers it.
We SHOULD be held to a higher standard, and 99% of the CPD have figured that one out. Public opinion and politics are stacked against us more now than ever, but that's really nothing new. The ones who really suffer here are those of us who go through a 30 year career trying to do things the right way every day, only to be shoved into the same shit pile with the off-duty idiots who have no clue what personal responsibility means. You'd think a sgt. and two PO's could have figured out a better way to handle those morons, but the deck is stacked against you when zero brain cells are working.
Agreed but not in this case, sometimes good cops get caught up in “no win” situations in the public’s eye. We all can’t walk the absolute perfect line, if you are a cop you would know that you are only human and have to make the best decision you can at a moment’s notice. You don’t have the luxury to Monday morning QB the situation. ASSHAT
No, but they should have tried to make RESPONSIBLE decisions. That's a little too complex for your one paragraph rambling mind to grasp. But not to worry, the two PO's will eventually get back on the job.
They did try and make the best decisions they could at those exact moments, but for your narrow minded and uninformed little mind to grasp that is obviously impossible. Also, the two PO’s you speak of will be found not guilty since THERE IS NO EVIDENCE against them, especially Barnes who was outside when this alleged broken nose happened, that’s the only thing he’s charged with. The Sgt, well we'll see what the judge decides, my opinion probably misdemeanor charges and no official misconduct.
Oh and you’re and ASSHAT
For someone who wants to give his opinion and wants to argue it so adamantly, you would think you’d show up for the trial and see everything for yourself. See the bullshit case the Cook County SA put together for your own eyes. Do we fight an uphill battle in the public’s eyes, YES.
But it’s a sad day when we do so amongst ourselves, you should take as much time and show up at the trial and see everything there for your own eyes, then post and preach that your 30 year on the job old ass is better than these guys and you would have made the obvious perfect decisions.
ASSHAT
They did try and make the best decisions they could at those exact moments, but for your narrow minded and uninformed little mind to grasp that is obviously impossible.
Obviously, sobriety's a bitch.
For someone who wants to give his opinion and wants to argue it so adamantly, you would think you’d show up for the trial and see everything for yourself.
Luckily for me, I was was one of the officers who responded to this clusterfuck. At least I was sober at the time. I think.
Blue Thug! said...
meant no disrespect, but I stand by my opinion that these guys messed up huge. And it makes you all look like a bunch of thugs, defending them so blindly.
3/29/2009 07:46:00 PM
Bitch, we are thugs. Thugs full of hugs for an end to drugs, whilst wearing bad rugs and drinkin' otta mugs. Snap! You still a back pedlin' fool.
3/30/2009 02:37:00 PM
OMG, that was funny. LMAO. Thats tellin that clown. You go boy.
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