Once Again, It's Negotiable
What is it about a contract he doesn't get?
- According to reports heard all day on WBBM, J-Fed is considering random alcohol testing for cops.
So, is this on or off-duty testing? Because off-duty, they better have probable cause and they better be paying overtime for call-backs.
On-duty? We don't recall that anyone has been accused of driving into cars parked on the highway drunk and on-duty. Or is there something the Department has been hiding about three-martini lunches down at HQ?
We don't think anyone should be drunk on-duty. We haven't seen that it's a problem, so this is typical overreaction by the Department. But as drug and alcohol testing criteria are the subject of collective bargaining, J-Fed is welcome to bring it to the table at some point. And he can bring along some concessions to "persuade" the negotiators that this is in everyone's best interest.
How about an additional $10,000 cost of living allotment for being forced to live in Shortshank's Worker's Paradise? Or a 6% raise like the aldercreatures got?
On-duty? We don't recall that anyone has been accused of driving into cars parked on the highway drunk and on-duty. Or is there something the Department has been hiding about three-martini lunches down at HQ?
We don't think anyone should be drunk on-duty. We haven't seen that it's a problem, so this is typical overreaction by the Department. But as drug and alcohol testing criteria are the subject of collective bargaining, J-Fed is welcome to bring it to the table at some point. And he can bring along some concessions to "persuade" the negotiators that this is in everyone's best interest.
How about an additional $10,000 cost of living allotment for being forced to live in Shortshank's Worker's Paradise? Or a 6% raise like the aldercreatures got?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
61 Comments:
Sure, I'll come in off duty. On my way masser, but lordy lordy, I bees in Iowa masser. but I be a comin' right away masser, yellow slip an all.
I would gladly give in to alcohol testing as a consession to .......lets say.....residency !
I'll pull in from Westmont, blow in a tube and hit the streets.
SCC: Your thinking, while admirable and profound, is on this point, somewhat flawed. “Or a 6% raise like the aldercreatures got?” It was a “Cost of living adjustment” not a raise. So, thinking in the same manner, we should get a 6% “cost of living increase”, then what ever raise is negotiated on top of the 6%! Anyone fro FOP listening on this one? Anyone?
Feebs don't deal with no stinking contracts!
First
I dont think that off duty they need probable cause. All they need is a time due slip. You arent being arrested.
You are being asked to earnn the duty availability check by being available for duty
As far as on duty I once went to take a drug test at the old medical section. Another guy from another unit was there also he must have drunk a six pack just before that based on the odor of his breath
Im not saying Im just saying
"The tighter they try to grasp, the more will slip through their fingers".
J-Fed better read something called the AGREEMENT BETWEEN FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE CHICAGO LODGE No. 7 AND THE CITY OF CHICAGO.
In it is laid right in there out what he can and cannot do with regards to on-duty police officers. That is, what he can do without leaving himself and the department open to liability, grievances, lawsuits, unfair labor practice complaints etc.
What's that, the FBI doesn't have no stinking contract? Too fucking bad. We do and violate it and we'll see you in court asshole.
As for random alcohol testing of cops off duty, well the same rules apply as to regular citizens. You can't do it unless part of a completely random check of everyone on a particular stretch of road during a particular period of time.
Jody is thinking of random alcohol testing. That's good. In the extreme late stages of contract negotiations, nearly two years after the expiration of the previous contract, Jody just throws that one out there.
Maybe it can be brought into the next contract but Jody is way to late too get it into this one. That is, unless he can get Shortshanks to really sweeten the deal to get the FOP to agree to such a thing.
I don't see this happening anytime soon. If it does, oh boy oh boy, the lawyers will love the extra income.
And I don't see Jody being around for another contract.
WE CAN CALL IT THE DRINKING ALLOWANCE.
MAY BE WE COULD GET FREE TESTING FOR HEART DISEASE SINCE J-FED IS WORRIED ABOUT ARE HEALTH.
OR MAY BE J-FED WOULD LET US U THE WHITE SHORT ONLY GYM AT HQ.
Anonymous said...
I have been a sargeant in this unit for a while and just took over a team after my stint as being the co-cordinator oof the Obama DEtail which I proudly served but I chose to give that up for the Mobile Strike Force, We will succeed as we are focused and don't have the poor leadership that once guided us in SOS. Commander Franklin tried to do his best and treated me like his own flesh and blood, I wish he was still here, but commander Roosell will do OK, I lead my men into battle everyday in hopes of calming the City Shootings. Stay Safe. Sgt. Joe Avila
4/18/2009 02:13:00 PM
Is it just me or does the above sound like a drunken post? J-Fed, you might want to start your 'random' testing with Sgt. Avila. And please consider sending him to remedial English classes! THIS IS A SUPERVISOR????
Maybe J-Fed should start 'random' IQ tests!!! English as a FIRST language!!!! Good Lord, we're doomed.
Our (the Fire Dept Union ex-president) gave into the city and agreed to random alcohol testing. Needless to say, he was not elected again. This has harmed many of our members, and not because they were drinking on duty. Because testing is done first thing in the morning, some blew over the 'acceptable' limit because they had a few the night before. They might have been at a retirement party, wedding, etc and had a few cocktails thinking it would be out of their system in the morning. As we get older, it takes longer to process alcohol. And sometimes we dont even feel a tiny bit buzzed, and can blow over the limit. Personally, I dont even drink at all the day before work. My buddy had a breathalyzer he bought on the internet, and I took a reading at the bar one night after having a few double vodka tonics. I blew 0.14 and felt just a little buzzed, nothing to impair me at all. Make sure to stress that you only will agree to this if you are tested at the end of your shift!
I welcome random testing for alcohol and drug testing on duty. What is there to fear? Off duty would be near impossible. He focuses on abuses but not on the quality of life issues for PO's working the street? CFD has a program to help drinkers, not CPD. Help for CFD, punishment for CPD. Wait until you read the new G.O. on performance rating system. That is a real shocker. Another nail in the coffin of morale.
So, is it on for this Friday?
retirees and spouses,( remember them ?), should get the 6% col raise like the aldercreatures say they needed to administer.
BUT
working P.O.'s deserve a credible raise AND a COLA agreement.
Now, what the po's deserve and what they get is up to the negotiating unit AND that is pending approval by the rank and file.
good luck to all.
It's past time to begin to negotiate with ultimatum.
Two years is absurd.Finish waiting!
ACT!
The mayor is making the po's chumps.
Off-duty alcohol testing? You can't control what people do when they are not at work. If we are lviing in a communist country, then maybe. Oh wait, we are quicly becoming a socialest state, next communisim. Pretty soon, the government will control every aspect of your life. The CPD is trying to do it now.
How about an additional $10,000 cost of living allotment for being forced to live in Shortshank's Worker's Paradise? Or a 6% raise like the aldercreatures got?
--I agree 100%
"According to reports heard all day on WBBM, J-Fed is considering random alcohol testing for cops."
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This is nothing more than J-Fed trying to look effective at SOMETHING. J-Fed, in addition to alcohol testing, maybe you should offer prostate exams.
If this is true, there is no hope for this guy!!!!!! What, it's only been over a year and he's STILL FUCKING CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can he ever garner the respect of anyone on this job if he makes statements like this?????? Some one hit the Gong already and put this jackass out of his misery.
SCC: Your thinking, while admirable and profound, is on this point, somewhat flawed. “Or a 6% raise like the aldercreatures got?” It was a “Cost of living adjustment” not a raise. So, thinking in the same manner, we should get a 6% “cost of living increase”, then what ever raise is negotiated on top of the 6%! Anyone fro FOP listening on this one? Anyone?
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I am surprised how many people are noy more outraged at the city's willingness to settle for 16 percent and five years. We can easily justify 20 percent or better over four. We can be much more aggressive in negotiating. I will personally vote down anything equal to or less than 18 percent. The FOP needs to know this. If the income tax goes up three percent in the next four years, I gain nothing, really. I work a year and give my raise to the state. They increased income tax 1 percent in Cook County, there is another percentage point lost, so 16 percent pover five years, I don't think so.
J-FED IS CLUE-LESS ABOUT BEING A POLICE OFFICER AND DOSE NOT UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A CONTRACT. HE MUST BE DRINKING FROM THE SAME WATER COOLER AS CLUE-LESS STROGER. WE ARE SCREWED IN THIS CITY AND COUNTY.
In my KMA time on this job few if any coppers come to work after a drunkfest! Give us an 8% yearly raise and pay the medical at 55 fuck it give us something boss! Lets also being we are for fairness have the drunken mayor tested,and of course the 50 drug and alcohol tested it would be fun!
j-fed is at it again-- another knee jerk reaction to an isolated incident-- if i was j-fed i would be more worried about all the people on this job who don't know what it means to work an 8 hour tour. j-fed is gone at the end of october-- bank on it. he would be gone already but daley doesn't want the controversy such a move would generate in the media that the ioc might catch wind of.
SCC,
I luv ya - we all do - but why are you so hell bent on sticking up for this drunk?????? Yeah sure he's a fellow copper but c'mon he was pissed drunk and driving. Wrong is wrong, fellow copper or not!
That's ridiculous. Alcohol is NOT illegal. They won't do that.
There always seems to be money lying around in the budget for GPS or dash cameras or Daley and Burke's security details or "official" Daley trips around the globe or drug or alcohol testing on the police or any kind of luxury for the Olympic Committee people, but NOTHING for a police contract.
How about random drug and alcohol testing for Alderwhores ? ? ?
I'll only agree to this, when the Feds and local gov decide to test the politicians & welfare parasites and make their lifetime entitlements contingent on them not being "under the influence."
I want the City to give me an allotment so I can build a bar in my basment & and to have a pool in my yard w/ a stcked fridge...if I cannot go out off duty and have a few beers and am forced to stay home//then I want these things to make me more comfortable...
Let me tell you why on-duty testing is going to screw a lot of department members. If you are a chronic drinker, your blood alcohol level stays high for a very long time after you stopped your excessive intake.
It is possible for an alcoholic to drink, let's say, only at night but still have a have a high blood alcohol level when they get to work at 0700. Plus, of course, some alcoholics are taking a hefty nip or two on the way to work just to keep the shakes under control.
So they may not be drinking on duty, but they are still going to be in trouble if they are tested on duty. If this is sounding like you, I'd say this is a good time to enter into a 28-day program.
Well when Da Mayo gets his way about testing us to be held to a higher standard. It better apply to him and his 50 thieves as well. I dont want him or his thieves who make the city laws and vote on projects that spend millions of dollars (TIFF MONEY) to be above a .04 BAC in the Hall or out of the Hall. Most of them do their best thinking and deal brokering after a few pops!!!!!
If you're involved in an off duty SHOOTING or an off duty Traffic accident while IN THE CITY LIMITS . . the city wants alcohol testing.
THIS IS ALL BEING DISCUSSED in contract negotiations.
About ten years ago or so an on duty drunken female Sergeant got herself killed in a one vehicle accident somewhere near Lake Calumet. Someone with a better memory than me can fill in the details.
Terry Hilliard was the Superintendent and refused to give her family any benefits for a duty related death. Which I think was the right call.
Ah those were the days. We had a leader who knew what it was like to be a street cop and he didn't look like Wilfred Brimley doing an oatmeal commercial. In no way do I want to disparage the remarkable leadership of J-Fed or the physical appearance of Fat Phil.
Like I said, when J-Pud leaves as promised and takes the midget with him...no pproblem, until then when the phone rings I 'll just have to tell them I'm coping and can't come in till I sober up...
I figure by about the 3rd week of July, the folks will be on the way to J-Puds office with Torches and Pitchforks, then off to the midgets...
(I better slow up I'm repeating myself)
Da Mare figures we are all either high or drunk in not excepting the contract he proposed.
This is exactly the type of ridiculous statement that led to the no confidence vote. He negotiates in the media and writes checks he can't cash. This guy desperatley needs handlers and a mute button.
P.S. keep going to 10-1's because you have good morale.
THAT RIGHT JFED I WILL TAKE YOUR F-IN TEST BUT LETS ALSO TEST ALL THE OFF DUTY SPEICAL AGENTS THAT LIVE IN NAPERVILLE, ALSO LETS TALK ABOUT THAT DRUNK OFF DUTY FEMALE FBI AGENT THAT LOST GUN IN A BAR IN DOWNTOWN NAPERVILLE.CAN YOU SAY COVER UP?
The DUI off duty police man is guilty of being drunk off duty a department rule violation. Man is he ever so screwed.
Well adleast he can buy a bar or work in one when he gets out of jail....
When I'm off duty, I'm NOT even within 70 miles of this city!
It's gotten to the point for my family and me, that it is nothing more than a long grocery trip that nobody thinks about anymore! Then we pull into our 3 car driveway and 1/2 acre land with all the better comforts than the city house on a small city lot!
I'm out shopping and spending my hard earned monies outside of the high tax City and Crook county Stroger!
I'm in my low tax "country home" taking it easy and there is nothing that J-FEEB can do, because I'm RDO asshole!
By the way, KMA I can't wait to retire and take my pension with me!
So hurry up and settle the contract with my back pay so that I can leave Shitcago for good!
I have no arrest powers two towns over except if I see a forcible felony. So, I can get stinking drunk for a day in Will county. I can get go on a two day bender if I'm in Wisconsin.
Random? My ass. Not without probable cause. I will refuse to submit to any type of testing until this is applied (and enforced) to ALL City of Chicago employees.
Off duty drug tests??
He is out of his fucking mind!!!
Try and find me when I'm not working and if you do you better open wide because there is only one thing my piss is aiming at.
GO HAWKS!!!!!
How about we get the same deal the feds get when tey shoot someone. No interview of the shooting officer for 24 hours. A lawyer present when interviewed.
SCC,
Check the automated directives. A new order came out 01 April 2009 outlining the new rating system for patrolmen. I can't believe that the city keeps pushing and pushing. It is going to be bad, if you get unsatisfactory ratings you are not eligible for your step raise. It is completely subjective and if you don't agree you have an opportunity to appeal to one of the Mayor's clout-baby exempts and guess what you won't get your raise.
SCC...honestly, sometimes I feel like I'm reading Mel Gibson's pamphlet in the movie "Conspiracy Theory"
Our (the Fire Dept Union ex-president) gave into the city and agreed to random alcohol testing. Needless to say, he was not elected again. This has harmed many of our members, and not because they were drinking on duty. Because testing is done first thing in the morning, some blew over the 'acceptable' limit because they had a few the night before. They might have been at a retirement party, wedding, etc and had a few cocktails thinking it would be out of their system in the morning. As we get older, it takes longer to process alcohol. And sometimes we dont even feel a tiny bit buzzed, and can blow over the limit. Personally, I dont even drink at all the day before work. My buddy had a breathalyzer he bought on the internet, and I took a reading at the bar one night after having a few double vodka tonics. I blew 0.14 and felt just a little buzzed, nothing to impair me at all. Make sure to stress that you only will agree to this if you are tested at the end of your shift!
4/19/2009 09:05:00 AM
Tested at the END of your shift? First, you sound like an idiot. Two, you know how many construction workers get DUI's at four or five in the morning on their way to work (getting pulled over for a vehicle or traffic violations)? Are you special?
And what you're describing is called "tolerance." Maybe leave it alone for awhile and the buzz will come back by itself without you having to overdo it. Probably take care of that whiskey dick too.
Anonymous said...
Our (the Fire Dept Union ex-president) gave into the city and agreed to random alcohol testing. Needless to say, he was not elected again. This has harmed many of our members, and not because they were drinking on duty. Because testing is done first thing in the morning, some blew over the 'acceptable' limit because they had a few the night before. They might have been at a retirement party, wedding, etc and had a few cocktails thinking it would be out of their system in the morning. As we get older, it takes longer to process alcohol. And sometimes we dont even feel a tiny bit buzzed, and can blow over the limit. Personally, I dont even drink at all the day before work. My buddy had a breathalyzer he bought on the internet, and I took a reading at the bar one night after having a few double vodka tonics. I blew 0.14 and felt just a little buzzed, nothing to impair me at all. Make sure to stress that you only will agree to this if you are tested at the end of your shift!
4/19/2009 09:05:00 AM
Another idiot.
I just took a Weis an wiped my Daley.
Random I.Q. Testing?
That's the best post ever!
The Dept. would be afraid, be very afraid.
Lowest scores would go to Supervisors and college grads. I just know it. The best kept secret on the Dept. they don't want to get out.
You should demand that whatever drug/alcohol testing cops undergo, the same thing applies to all city employees and elected officials.
With the same kind of consequences to those who fail a drug test.
HOW MANY ON DUTY INCIDENTS HAVE INVOLVED ALCOHOL??? ZERO!!! THEY WILL JUST USE THIS "RANDOM ALCOHOL TESTING" TO FUCK WITH PEOPLE WHO MIGHT HAVE GONE OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND MIGHT HAVE TRACE AMOUNTS OF ALCOHOL IN THEIR SYSTEM, LIKE THAT CFD GUY SAID. ALCOHOL IS RARELY ABUSED BY MEMBERS ON-DUTY AND THERE IS ALREADY A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THESE ABUSES.
IF THE F.O.P. AGREES TO ANY TYPE OF TESTING YOU GUYS MIGHT AS WELL GIVE UP DRINKING BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A DRINK YOU ARE FUCKED "ON OR OFF DUTY." YOU CAN BET THAT I WILL VOTE OUT EVERY PERSON WHO IS CURRENTLY AT THE FOP IF THEY AGREE TO A CONTRACT THAT RESTRICTS MY RIGHTS TO DRINK JUST BECAUSE I AM THE POLICE!
JPUD's STEROIDS OBVIOUSLY DON'T REACT WELL TO BOOZE, THATS WHY JPUD AND DALEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE WOMEN'S CHRISTIAN TEMPERENCE MOVEMENT.
FYI JPUD, PROHIBITION ENDED March 23, 1933 and it applies to all U.S. citizens even Chicago Police Officers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As long as they start with the white shirts.
>>>If you're involved in an off duty SHOOTING or an off duty Traffic accident while IN THE CITY LIMITS . . the city wants alcohol testing.
THIS IS ALL BEING DISCUSSED in contract negotiations.
4/19/2009 12:46:00 PM<<<
How does this compare with other departments, including the Feds?
"....Is it just me or does the above sound like a drunken post? J-Fed, you might want to start your 'random' testing with Sgt. Avila. And please consider sending him to remedial English classes! THIS IS A SUPERVISOR????
Maybe J-Fed should start 'random' IQ tests!!! English as a FIRST language!!!! Good Lord, we're doomed.
4/19/2009 08:42:00 AM"
I agree with the above, that poster typed like he was drunk, his words were slurred and there was a strong order of an alcoholic beverage coming from my computer screen. Besides that he should know how to spell the names he uses, ".but commander Roosell(sic) will do OK, I lead my men into battle everyday in hopes of calming the City Shootings. Stay Safe. Sgt. Joe Avila", Jeez, this guy ought to have one of those breath-lockout devices attached to his keyboard. He better be wearing his seatbelt when his computer crashes.
The Alderman carry gold badges, and have the self anointed right to carry concealed firearms (and many do). Should they not be held to the same standards???? Where's the headlines and front page stories on this issue???? Sure, we are held to a higher standard than the general public because we are sworn officers. Shouldn't they be held to an even higher standard? They "represent" the city of Chicago and are the "checks and balance" to the king. If they want to hold us to new regulations, then adopt the regulations for the city "leaders" as well. We take care of soooooooo much BS for "them and their families". It's time to call in some markers and see a little support and gratitude for the years of above and beyond for them and theirs!!!!!
Anonymous said...
If you're involved in an off duty SHOOTING or an off duty Traffic accident while IN THE CITY LIMITS . . the city wants alcohol testing.
THIS IS ALL BEING DISCUSSED in contract negotiations.
4/19/2009 12:46:00 PM
True. Also all statements given by PO's in CR's, shootings, etc. will be video taped. Now being done in rest of country. Will likely happen here also but we should get something for this in talks.
Our Union originally proposed a residence stipend of $3,000.00 for living in the City of King Richard the Dictator. Can anyone tell how far that bullshit went. Our union know if we got this, that all the other City unions would ask for the same benefit. Just give us a 20 mile radius from Cook County. We were never going to get any money for living in the City that was just a ploy by the union to satisfy union members who had being asking for this for years. I"ll bet you can't get a legi response about this topic from our union. The residency requirement is outdated and a joke. Property valuse are in the tank what's the excuse now!!!!
With the money our union uses for political donations and campaigns, why not lobby for term limits for the Mayor and Alderman. I'm tired of everyone being afraid of or mentioning the King (RICHARD DALEY), when anything needs to be done. By the way has the King been held accountable for all the scandals in his adminstration. Who hired Angel Torres?????
I'm retired now, but over the yaers I have heard of several "on-duty" accidents, however, every one was a boss, and everything was taken care of by downtown.
..."Anonymous said...
Our (the Fire Dept Union ex-president) gave into the city and agreed to random alcohol testing. Needless to say, he was not elected again. "
That happened after that infamous drunken firehouse video played all over the TV news. I am sure it was very hard to resist on duty alcohol testing after that.
Stay safe brothers, and save the damn cameras for the fires and rescues.
Or how about a "ME TOO" claus,so whatever raise the aldermen get C.P.D. gets.
Anonymous said...
You should demand that whatever drug/alcohol testing cops undergo, the same thing applies to all city employees and elected officials.
With the same kind of consequences to those who fail a drug test.
4/19/2009 09:55:00 PM
Don't forget Welfare, AFDC, WIC Unemployment, and SSI recipients also.
CFD has a program to help drinkers, not CPD.
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There is professional counseling available to all members of CPD and their families, including substanmce abuse.
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