Smoke
Still waiting for the mirrors:
- Big meeting with Tact Lts & Sgts by Jackson, Dugan, etc. From here on until further notice, my sgt told us, all tact, midnight tact, mission teams, GEU, gun teams, everyone will be working in uniform so the public perceives more police on the street. The bosses admitted to being about 500 cops down from authorized strength and they're afraid of a spike in violent crime. They told the supervisors that homicides and shootings were either even or a bit down from last year and they want to prevent the spike.
And this will accomplish what? My sgt said he thought they were going to "take the gloves" off and let us be the police. Oh well, more smoke and mirrors on the horizon.
Does anyone else get the feeling that part of the reason we don't have a contract is because the Department is scared shitless that once it's signed, we'll have 200 retirements the next day instead of over the next four months? There's no way in hell they can absorb that manpower hit with the summer months coming on.
In any case, this 90 days in uniform? Rearranging the deck chairs. Again.
In any case, this 90 days in uniform? Rearranging the deck chairs. Again.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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If the contract scenerio is correct it will only get worse. Sooner or later the contract will be signed and in the mean time there is always the chance that the officers will leave and get there raise? in a retro cheeck. Thats the way its been done before.
hmmm
WHOSE IDEA WAS THIS? CUELLO ARE U AWAKE!
I GOTZ ME A BETTER ONE WHY DONT U DOSBAND MOST OF THOSE UNIT AND STICK THEM BACK IN THE DISTRICTS.
2 MAN CARS -WAGONS- TRAFFIC CARS- RAPIDS- PARK CAR- FOOT POST.
EVERYONE CAN DO REPORTS TOO!
THEY CAN LOCK UP PEOPLE FOR DOMESTICS AND TRAFFIC TOO!
THEY CAN BRING THEIR UNMARKED SQUADS TOO . JUST GIVE EM JOBS.
GUESS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NUMB-SKULL?
TRAFFIC STOPS?
OFFICERS REACHING SCENES OF CRIME QUICKLY W/ OFFENDER ON SCENE?
ENUFF UNITS TO SEARCH HOUSES FOR GUNS!
SWEEPING THE CORNERS AGAIN SO HONEST DRUG DEALERS CANT SELL!
CMON JACKSON REACH INTO THE CHEEZY MUSTACHE AND GETZ U A CLUE....
DUGAN CAN HAVE TEAMS OF IRANIAN TYPE TACT OFFICERS ON SCOOTERS W/ BATONS SWEEPING THE 3RD DISTRICT.
ALL THOSE FAKE COLLEGE DEGREES AND THAT IS THE IDEA THE COME UP W/
WOW I AM UNDERWHELMED.
POOR J-FED! U R SO OUT THERE U DONT KNOW HOW FUCKED UP U HAVE THIS COMEDY SHOW OF A DEPARTMENT.
IM GOING TO SUPPLY U W/ SUM DNA IN A TUBE SOCK NOW CUZ I B TIRED.
Why do I work in Tact? So I can work in blue jeans. Dugan and JPUD you suck.
it could be worse they could make all of them wear BDU's!!!!
DOPES!!! a bunch
i was on tact for years. i honestly got sick of putting on plain clothes or getting some new clothes to supplement the ones i took for work. i rather just throw on a uniform. i also think this is a lot safer for the tact units. if you think wearing plain clothes is a perk - you are mistaken.
Right out of Dugan's mouth....there will be NOBODY (except the politcally heavy of course) going to a Unit, (outside of TRU/MSF - of course) unless that Unit is giving a body for a body.
He is worried about the Taste, the 4th and all of the summer events.
Donahue said that we are "officially" under 13,000 members for the first time, and that the FOP has never seen the city THIS low on manpower.
Look for the retirements and the IOD/Medical cases to increase, and not just the dogs either. Those that still work will be getting their asses handed to them this summer, the savages are out of hand, the weather has not even gotten hot yet, and once it stops raining, well, we all will be in store for a LONG summer.
Great job Richie, Jody and Danny-Boy - you're the straws that stir the drinks...way to fuck over a once proud police department.
03-JULY-09
Prepare for the bloodshed.
Somehow I envision the conversation to included:
"The officer was well trained in the CPD pursuit policy. Why yes Mr. Loevy, we have the record of the streaming video dates right here".....
Why not put them in marked patrol cars too. The are a bunch of one man and unmaned beat cars, fill them with TAC...
I think I just saw a mirror truck drive by...
1981 had several large groups/classes in January, April, May and June. The minute the contract is signed I know I am going and a bunch of others... KMA
So they are letting us take the gloves off and let us be the police, huh! They will also screw us over like they did Cozzi. Don't trust anyone.
WARRIORS ....in uniform
So then whats the difference between tact and tru
Great....take one tool away from the guys that make the most arrests in a district. Plain clothes allows surveillence.
I am a tact LT. working in a south side dist and I have told my guys plain in simple...DO THE MINIMUM.
Everyone already knows we are the police anyway. A uniform doesn't change that.
The end of the district tactical team is finally here.
You don't need to give your DNA unless the court makes you.
Theeeeeeeeen you sue.
THE WALLS ARE TUMBLING DOWN....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Dugan will not give up until he reaches 60! Looking at 9K a month and still can't afford health insurance! That is why they make so many young exempts! The Dept owns your soul and you will jump through hoops rather than be demoted! Exempts deep down inside hate POs because they can't make them do what they want them to do! So much power but helpless at the same time! THE SOLUTION? Set up a MEETING! YEAH, THATS IT! LETS HAVE A MEETING! JODY WILL BE IMPRESSED AND I WILL LOOK LIKE A GENIUS! PLEASE, SOMEONE OPEN THEIR MOUTH ABOUT LACK OF MANPOWER, OR JUST SAY, "ITS NOT POSSIBLE" AND IM OFF THE HOOK!
Before this turns into "we wear uniforms, they can too" ( a sentiment which may have merit) lets remember what this really is-an attempt by the department to change perceptions held by the public. It does not mean more police, it just means the same number of officers, some just dressed differently than usual.
Hey, John Q public-grab a shovel, you are getting snowed AGAIN.
STUPID is as STUDID does!
After a month of uniform, the "higher-up's" will be complaining the Search Warrants are down.
This department blows!
All of the inside people, of any pay grade, at 35th Street and any other unit, including the Detective Division and OCD, should be required to be in uniform.
This would identify them as police officers and it might require them to take police action when they are at Starbucks!
They want to be in civilian dress because they really do not want to be the police. They just want to be paid as police officers.
Oh well, the brass really have never wanted us to be too aggressive anyway. We haven't done many surveillances lately and now we will be doing none. They just want drinkers and pissers cause in the end it's just a CB# and numbers are all they care about. Quantity over quality. I've been on tact for 9 years and could care less what I wear to work. The job is lost! P.S. Fuck you Dugan!
Another idiotic idea by a reactive Department who always does things without ever thinking them through.
The defense attorneys for the two animals accused of shooting officer Valadez are smiling. Thanks to CPD braintrust for now backing their defense of an accidental shooting due to the officer being in plainclothes, rather then uniform.
How about putting all 9,000 officers in plainclothes and raise hell on these areas that lack the respect for police that those yrs back took and then ask them if they know were the police now!!!
And to those of you bringing up your jealousy issues of tact you are missing the point here and are showing everyone the other half of what is wrong with this department. Get a clue and kleenex you crybabies.
If the contract scenerio is correct it will only get worse. Sooner or later the contract will be signed and in the mean time there is always the chance that the officers will leave and get there raise? in a retro cheeck. Thats the way its been done before.
6/17/2009 12:08:00 AM
Someone told me that if you go before the contract is settled that you do not get retro, is that true?
Who cares? Put the d unit in uniform, buy only maked vehicles, WE STILL DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH COPPERS ON THE STREETS! COPISH!
All of the inside people, of any pay grade, at 35th Street and any other unit, including the Detective Division and OCD, should be required to be in uniform.
This would identify them as police officers and it might require them to take police action when they are at Starbucks!
They want to be in civilian dress because they really do not want to be the police. They just want to be paid as police officers.
6/17/2009 08:26:00 AM
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It's not about wanting to wear civilian dress, it's about being ordered to. Pick up general order 98-10-02 and read, you might learn something grasshopper:
A. Dress Requirements - Sworn Members
1. Sworn members who are authorized to wear citizen's dress will wear conservative "business" attire. Articles of clothing will be clean and well pressed, conservative in color and design and will include the
following:
a. Male Members
Suit or sportcoat with trousers, shirt, necktie, shoes and socks.
When in a police facility and not in public view, the sport coat
or suit coat may be removed.
b. Female Members
A dress; suit; or blazer-type jacket with blouse and/or sweater
in combination with slacks or skirt, shoes and socks/hose.
TAC teams at one time did a lot of work! Now who gives a shit! Put everyone in uniform, does that include the w/c who come in wearing jeans and t shirts? Just asking!
A bunch of uniformed officers driving in unmarked squad cars is what you're going to get, because there aren't any pool cars. Ridiculous.
No plain clothes at taste of chgo. you heard it here first. heard it from a friend at 35th. so much for plain clothes in tact.
Say SMOKE ???
How can a city throw on a "FIREWORKS FETE" when they are out of $$$ ?
Lay off the lowest paid workers?
This is a scam if you can afford to blast the cash they need to eat into thin air.
Daley you are a pimp.
Save MY TAX dollars and cut the fireworks.
ALL Detectives should be returned to their Units, from outside agency Details. Many have been there for YEARS, and therefore, not investigating Chicago Criimes on their own, as they should be doing, instead they are asisting Federal Agencies, who should be doing their jobs without CPD manpower. Are any Feds ever Detailed to Englewood Patrol or Tact? Are any detailed to Area 2, 1, or to the 4th,5th, 10th,11th District? Then why the fuck do we detail our cops to them? Isn't their job to work Chicago PD, not DWA, FBI, ATF; etc? What political bullshit....
Tact teams should be in Uniform in summer, and clean-shaven, neat, no earrings, beards, shorts, dreadlocks, ponytails, etc. We look like the Hippie Police in uniform. Embarrassing, and silly looking, compared to quasi-military Suburban and other outside agency Police. What the fuck is this, 1970's Starsky and Hutch or a Police Department?
How about all the dollies in the CRAPS office that wear what they want. Put them in uniform and out in a car.
I know "Take home" cars are bashed on here alot, but if the Department wants to play "Smoke and Mirrors" why not have those Officers that are assigned to marked cars that aren't utilized by other personnel take them home or to a City facility near their residence? Driving to and from work in a marked car will definitely give the perception of more Police (and cars) on the street. And yes, I am in one of those Units but could not take the car home in that I drive from my part-time job to work.
I like the idea posted at 8:26AM.
Not only should all of the inside pukes be put into uniform during duty hours, they should be informed that they cannot wear a non-uniform jacket, shirt or sweater when they head off for their long lunch.
When on-duty they should be readily identified as police officers.
plain and simple if any tact personnel do one thing that is not absolutely required when in uniform they are then "King Asshat". Believe me if the tact team numbers drop while in uniform, believe me the uniform will go away just as quick
I left Tact/Gangs about 2 years ago. There was absolutely NO benefit to working that anymore. No reward, bosses don’t care, too much of "You got the gun YESTERDAY, what did you get me today?"
Ask yourselves, Tact / Gang kids... why do you do it?
I’m back on a beat car, 3rd watch. Every court date is on overtime, so financially, I'm ahead. My Sgts are better. Rotating shifts consist of a 1500 start, or a 1600 start. Schedule works out better for family time or side jobs. I’m appreciated more. WAY, WAY less stress and bullshit. Handle the radio, hand in a parker at the absolute minimum. Coming from Tact / Gangs, I think you can figure out a way around a 30 min lunch. It’s not bad at all!
"They want to be in civilian dress because they really do not want to be the police. They just want to be paid as police officers.
6/17/2009 08:26:00 AM"
Your absolutely right. It makes shopping @ Target alot more easier when you're incognito. Keep up the Good Work Uniform man, Shortshanks is Oh,So Proud of the work you do pimping for Him.
Anonymous said...
Another idiotic idea by a reactive Department who always does things without ever thinking them through.
The defense attorneys for the two animals accused of shooting officer Valadez are smiling. Thanks to CPD braintrust for now backing their defense of an accidental shooting due to the officer being in plainclothes, rather then uniform.
How about putting all 9,000 officers in plainclothes and raise hell on these areas that lack the respect for police that those yrs back took and then ask them if they know were the police now!!!
And to those of you bringing up your jealousy issues of tact you are missing the point here and are showing everyone the other half of what is wrong with this department. Get a clue and kleenex you crybabies.
6/17/2009 09:53:00 AM
AMEN. SCC this is a perfect time to bring this up. While our command staff is insinuating that WE are responsible for our brothers death, it is very important to remind officers that our command staff got on TELEVISION and basically said that the shooting of officer Valadez was potentially accidental because dude's were getting retaliation on one of their own peeps. Well, thanks for giving the defense a freaking out command staff.
If it was "dumb luck" that we caught the offenders what do you call giving an opinion publicly on why some dumbasses shot a police officer? Is that what they told you? And that is plausible because they are just lost boys?
P.O. Valadez did not look like anyone in the neighborhood that dudes were looking to retaliate on. If they were shooting at the person Valadez was interviewing then they still KNEW he wasn't a gangbanger and was a cop. THey know who is a cop and who is a gang banger.
What about that SCC? What about command staff blaming their troops for creating a situation that caused an officer to be killed - while we are still mourning his loss - while giving the defense a great way out of having to take full responsibility for KILLING A COP.
All we have to do is watch the news be played in court and have the defense say - it was the belief of the command of the CPD that this was not an intentional shooting of this officer....
Yeah the jagoff will still go to jail but it won't be for the right thing. Thanks command.
Some of the posts I'm reading are ridiculous. The point of "tact" is to be TACTICAL. Riding around in a uniform in an unmarked car is pretty ridiculous. To the poster who was bitching about tact wearing earrings, beards, etc... Yeah, it might not look so professional to not be clean shaven and clean cut, but what's the point of tact if you look like the police? Seriously. Sounds a little bit like jealousy to me. Put a To/From in and get on tact. It's not really about being comfortable wearing jeans and t-shirts to work. It's to try to blend in. Sure, the shithead might figure out you're a cop when you get up close on him, but from half a block away it's almost like wearing camoflauge, it throws off the offenders for even a brief moment just enough time to nab him. So I disagree about having tact in uniforms. Tact is tact for a reason. When search warrants and numbers decline, you bet yer ass that the uniform will go away. It's been this way for decades and my prediction is it won't even last the 90 days they're calling for it.
Tact teams should be in Uniform in summer, and clean-shaven, neat, no earrings, beards, shorts, dreadlocks, ponytails, etc. We look like the Hippie Police in uniform. Embarrassing, and silly looking, compared to quasi-military Suburban and other outside agency Police. What the fuck is this, 1970's Starsky and Hutch or a Police Department?
6/17/2009 01:22:00 PM
What was wrong with Starsky and Hutch? I liked that show. I bet you want us to look like the Rookies instead.
If you worked before the contract was settled and retro is given, you get retro for the time you worked. You don't have to stay and wait for it.
Anonymous said...
Tact teams should be in Uniform in summer, and clean-shaven, neat, no earrings, beards, shorts, dreadlocks, ponytails, etc. We look like the Hippie Police in uniform. Embarrassing, and silly looking, compared to quasi-military Suburban and other outside agency Police. What the fuck is this, 1970's Starsky and Hutch or a Police Department?
6/17/2009 01:22:00 PM
Agreed! Why not dump all the unmarked cars and just buy marked, if they had any balls they would put the d unit in uniform to better know where they are at all times! And it would show more police presence! Simple huh?
The shit heads may be stupid, but not that stupid... They see the
Po-leeces riding around in unmark cars while in uniform and start asking why and the truth will reveal itself..
Wait till the media gets a wind of this and start doing coverage of how J-Fraud is trying to fake the appearance of more officers by making plain clothes officers wear uniforms.
No plain clothes at taste of chgo. you heard it here first. heard it from a friend at 35th. so much for plain clothes in tact.
6/17/2009 11:09:00 AM
There has never been any "plain clothes" working at the Taste, you half-wit.
Put a To/From in and get on tact. It's not really about being comfortable wearing jeans and t-shirts to work. It's to try to blend in. Sure, the shithead might figure out you're a cop when you get up close on him, but from half a block away it's almost like wearing camoflauge, it throws off the offenders for even a brief moment just enough time to nab him. So I disagree about having tact in uniforms. Tact is tact for a reason. When search warrants and numbers decline, you bet yer ass that the uniform will go away. It's been this way for decades and my prediction is it won't even last the 90 days they're calling for it.
6/17/2009 08:21:00 PM
I left Tact/Gangs a while ago. Oh, yes, now its real hard to tell if you are the Police or not! 2 guys getting out of 4dr Crown/Impala, cargo pants or painters pants, T-shirt, with your big ass pistol belt and black vest cover, and baseball hat. Oh, you blend!
Some of the posts I'm reading are ridiculous. The point of "tact" is to be TACTICAL. Riding around in a uniform in an unmarked car is pretty ridiculous. To the poster who was bitching about tact wearing earrings, beards, etc... Yeah, it might not look so professional to not be clean shaven and clean cut, but what's the point of tact if you look like the police? Seriously. Sounds a little bit like jealousy to me. Put a To/From in and get on tact. It's not really about being comfortable wearing jeans and t-shirts to work. It's to try to blend in. Sure, the shithead might figure out you're a cop when you get up close on him, but from half a block away it's almost like wearing camoflauge, it throws off the offenders for even a brief moment just enough time to nab him. So I disagree about having tact in uniforms. Tact is tact for a reason. When search warrants and numbers decline, you bet yer ass that the uniform will go away. It's been this way for decades and my prediction is it won't even last the 90 days they're calling for it.
6/17/2009 08:21:00 PM
Are you serious? Really? When you were on the watch, didn't you do the same thing? Or were you someones PET and didn't start doing police work till you went on TACT? TACT or on the WATCH you get the same fucking arrest. The only difference with TACT is that you have the opportunity to just go out and get arrest and not have to answer calls. THATS IT!
Please, your post is absolute retarded bullshit.
To the copper who wants Tac guys to be clean shaving and look like the suburban cops, my response is this. You sir are a hand job.
Why would we want to look like the tight laced crew cut suburban guys?
You can tell a suburban cop, soft clothes or off duty, from a mile away. They are too squared away. No disrespect to suburban coppers, I was one before I became the real Police. (Holy mackerel! He did it again!)
Does your appearance comand respect? No, but my Roscoe does.
Signed; ripped jeans, stubble, unkept hair, no gun belt slob, with decent numbers.
They tried doing this years ago, all tact & gang teams in uniform for the summer. Same old department trying same old tricks. This department reminds me of San Angeles. Be well John Spartan.
it might not look so professional to not be clean shaven and clean cut, but what's the point of tact if you look like the police?
Yeah you are all incognito with your black vest covers on, good camoflage....what a joke, real tact guys have been gone for years...
All of the inside people, of any pay grade, at 35th Street and any other unit, including the Detective Division and OCD, should be required to be in uniform.
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Now do you want OCD to drive a marked car, unmarked car, or covert car when they pull up to the corner and buy dope in uniform?
Anonymous said...
I know "Take home" cars are bashed on here alot, but if the Department wants to play "Smoke and Mirrors" why not have those Officers that are assigned to marked cars that aren't utilized by other personnel take them home or to a City facility near their residence? Driving to and from work in a marked car will definitely give the perception of more Police (and cars) on the street. And yes, I am in one of those Units but could not take the car home in that I drive from my part-time job to work.
6/17/2009 02:39:00 PM
Why don't they just park their cars sporadically throughout designated hot spots or zones, and leave them there overnight, and take the bus home for free, because they're in uniform? That will really trick the public into thinking there is a bigger police presence. Pulease.
ALL Detectives should be returned to their Units, from outside agency Details. Many have been there for YEARS, and therefore, not investigating Chicago Criimes on their own, as they should be doing, instead they are asisting Federal Agencies, who should be doing their jobs without CPD manpower. Are any Feds ever Detailed to Englewood Patrol or Tact? Are any detailed to Area 2, 1, or to the 4th,5th, 10th,11th District? Then why the fuck do we detail our cops to them? Isn't their job to work Chicago PD, not DWA, FBI, ATF; etc? What political bullshit....
6/17/2009 01:17:00 PM
Its not political bs, its called task forces. Some cases overlap state and federal crimes. Granted task forces are only as good as the officers and agents assigned. But a good combination of experience and resources can take an investigation a long way. We go there because federal trumps state. And they usually have more space to accomodate the bodies.
This is Dannys idea...This guy is a putz.
Recall the two po's in uniform and one plain clothes guy from SOS who are all doing heavy time for a home invasion. Perception don't mean a thing.
Anonymous said...
03-JULY-09
Prepare for the bloodshed.
6/17/2009 12:58:00 AM
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There won't be bloodshed where I'll be... but maybe I'll be able to see the fires if I get to some high ground. Fuck this city.
You hear about, I not going to do much, just going to do the minimal, I SAY DO THE OPPOSITE. Be aggressive, go out there and make arrests, give no one a break.
Go out make an arrest and be tied up in the station duing all the necessary steps. If everyone did this every time after roll call, you would have a line of officers at the station waiting to get their prisoners processed. The districts would shut down , unable to service calls as everyone is in the station with an arrest. That would remove the smoke and show how limited our resources really are.
"I left Tact/Gangs a while ago. Oh, yes, now its real hard to tell if you are the Police or not! 2 guys getting out of 4dr Crown/Impala, cargo pants or painters pants, T-shirt, with your big ass pistol belt and black vest cover, and baseball hat. Oh, you blend!
6/18/2009 01:10:00 AM"
To the above poster, why don't you read my post. You're probably a desk sgt. because you pretty much skimmed my post without really reading it. AGAIN, I stated that it's when you're from a distance. Plainclothes from a distance could be anything. Could be a guy getting out of a bull shit gypsy taxi or half assed limo service. They don't know you're from the police from a distance. How about covert cars?? Can't really be covert in a uniform now, can you?? And to the moron who posted that you get get the same arrests on the watch, I would beg to differ. And you probably never were on tact because you would know that the dispatchers still give you jobs. Oh, I'm sorry, you probably are tact in some slow ass district and are the reason why we're going to uniforms anyway because you do no police work and have to be babysat.
I work in a unit, but it is time to disband TRU, GEU, MSF, send us back to the districts where we have cars and computers. Slow districts will have 3 tact teams and give busy districts will have 6 or 7. Give me ten working PO's, and I can conquer the world.
Tact officers are not undercover officers. Huge difference.
You can be in full uniform and if you hang on the block long enough, they go right back to what they were doing before you got there. I've never seen them not. It's just like the "double-back" on a kid who bails out of a hot car.
Goodbye, farewell, I'll see you in the breadline.
"6/18/2009 12:49:00 PM"
Just make sure they're 'quality' arrests.
Oh, I'm sorry, you probably are tact in some slow ass district and are the reason why we're going to uniforms anyway because you do no police work and have to be babysat.
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Are you serious?? I worked gangs,did the surveillance in coverts, all that stuff.
You work a district long enough ALL the players know you, they know your walk,your talk,your play.
You are NOT undercover as a tact officer. The boyz are WATCHING for YOU. They smell the po po way before you know they are out.
That is their job
You used to be able to do some long term investigations, cross district lines and sometimes city boundries(with boss approval), but now it is simply a numbers game. Has been for quite some time.
I believe that the officers who work tact would be better utilized working the watch, when necessary be used to saturate an area and then keep the heat on longer than tru or msf can do.
Be used to handle in progress jobs like the rapids are supposed to do or just be there to help with a backlog so the other officers can enjoy some time to eat like a human.
Tact team at a district level have become obsolete, completely misused and watered down.
sos wore the uniform and did way more work than the district tact
teams
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