Tuesday, August 25, 2009

NYPD Contract

Since only New York and Los Angeles can be thought of as "comparable" to the CPD, this could be good news:
  • Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg called a news conference at City Hall this afternoon to announce a tentative agreement with the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the union that has most openly clashed with the mayor during his six and a half years in office, on a contract that would give 23,000 police officers a 20 percent raise over four years and increase salaries for rookie officers to almost $42,000 a year, from $36,000.

    The contract would cover a four-year period, from Aug. 1, 2006, to July 31, 2010. If the deal is ratified by the officers, it will be the first time since 1994-95 that the police will be working under a current contract. For more than a decade, officers have been working as their union leaders grappled with the city over contracts that were applied retroactively, often under the supervision of arbitrators. The deal will allow officers to “focus on their jobs without the distraction of contractual disputes,” Mr. Bloomberg said.

    The union’s past three contracts under the Bloomberg administration were reached under binding arbitration, not consensual negotiation.
A FOUR-year deal at an average of 5% in a recession. FOP, are you taking notes? With all the Olympic cash Daley is sitting on, this should be a playbook for your presentation. Daley isn't allowed to sit on "Olympic cash." He has to provide for public services first, then anything left over can be applied to his Olympic debacle dream.

UPDATE: We have no idea what we divided to get that wrong figure. Post corrected for math.

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121 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMEN....

8/25/2009 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DEFINATELY GREAT NEWS. Hopefully the arbitrator rules in our favor.
thanks for the update on that SCC

8/25/2009 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And we will even give up the newbie raise! Who gives a fuck?? FOP BETTER be paying attention!!! We get that or they are fucking gone!!! YOU BETTER STICK IT TO DALEY BOYS OR YOU ARE FUCKING OUT!!! BE OUR HEROES OR BE OUR FORGOTTEN FIRED ASSCLOWNS!!! GET IT DONE!!!

8/25/2009 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it true that Ruthie had her family with her at Midway for the elton john billy joel meet and greet??

8/25/2009 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think we had the midget here, the NY cops really hate Bloomberg, and before that, Guiliani.

What is it with big city mayors treating their coppers like crap?

8/25/2009 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a four year deal with a 20% raise, 5% a year? Not 4.25%.

8/25/2009 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does not matter. No raise and no retro here, and 55 and free medical is a complete failure. Only 43 people have signed so far (they need 160 by 15 October or no deal). So we gave up lump sum payouts of our comp time upon retirement for nothing.

8/25/2009 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But NYC isn't located in Crook County.

8/25/2009 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unless FOP gets at least what the NYCPBA got, the crew at FOP is DONE. Welcome back to patrol FOP. Donahue will retire, and abandon ship. He will get a job some where else in government. Oh - I forgot union reps. never go back to patrol once they are inside. Can you say - Shakman?

8/25/2009 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do arbitrators look at other comparable police departments when settling contracts?

8/25/2009 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello arbitrator--- have you cut and pasted this article to show why we deserve to be fairly compensated for the hellish job we perform daily---- 9/11 was in this city and they have money to splash around---- daley has so much money stashed here that even the squirrels are jealous--- hey you little mic bastard, time to pony up------

8/25/2009 01:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yawn...this is old news, over a year old

8/25/2009 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The f.O.P. administration tried to argue the "comparable" as a selling point in a contract th at eventually was shoved up are keesters. The "comparable" used then were Gary Indiana and Kenosha Wisconsin. The "cost of living" argument was presented. On Midnites in 10 the F.O.P. onion rep. was given a roll call and took 20 minutes to argue their case why it was such a good contract. When I asked why they had to go out of State to come up with their numbers, the roll call was ended.

8/25/2009 02:49:00 AM  
Anonymous re-elect these FLOP clowns said...

No need to worry. The "professional" FLOP negotiating team has made sure the arbitrator will award us a five year deal with a 10% raise, near zero retro, and a double digit increase in healthcare premiums. Grand Slam baby! Violated again by shitty hall and their FLOP lackeys: it feels so wrong it must be right.

8/25/2009 02:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ha!! yeah right. we arent getting anything close to that. 10 percent if were lucky for 5 years with minimal retro.. trust me the only reason we got the 55 and out for health care is because they know we are going to be screwed with wages.. they are just trying to soften the blow.

8/25/2009 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God willing the CPD will get a decent contract soon. And perhaps they can hire some officers. I am tired of waiting for the test to be announced. The city will suffer because many good people are tired of waiting. Hell I might try and go test for the NYPD. I hear they test monthly and can get you on in under six months.

God bless the CPD and nobody else.

8/25/2009 03:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

on a contract that would give 23,000 police officers a 20 percent raise over four years




HOLY CRAP!

8/25/2009 03:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting, Bloomberg is a true piece of shit who has closely modeled his reign on Daley's. Congrats to the NYPD!

8/25/2009 05:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Flanked by Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly


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Ah ... must be nice to have a REAL boss

8/25/2009 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rest assured the FLOP is going to give a lackluster brief to the arbitor, just to help Shitshanks one last time before being kicked the fuck out of office.

The FOP will have an excuse as to why Chicago can't match this, and we know it's the Daley party line.

Daley's criminal dismantling and selling off of this city will not be tolerated as the excuse as to why he's trying to fuck us in this contract.

As a matter of fact, go read the suntimes online, where "Daley set to appologize for parking meter fiasco". Which is Daley's spinshitters already jumping on his excuse for why he's crying broke and trying to fuck the contract.

I'll guarantee Daley uses the parking meter scam as his reason he can't afford a contract.

Watch

8/25/2009 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...God bless the CPD and nobody else.

8/25/2009 03:25:00 AM"

Lighten up guy, WWJS.

God Bless the CPD and Everyone Else. Amen

8/25/2009 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is anybody reading this? From 36K to 42K. New York City's cost of living is higher than Chicago. This is a salary comparable to a busboy

8/25/2009 06:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See what can be done when you're NOT squirreling away for the 'Limpics!

And, remember this, many NYPD officers do not live in or VOTE in NYC.

Here we do both and should be a FEARED voting block.

Come next election, there should be hell to pay for any incumbent.

HEY, Richie!
PUT THE MONEY INTO THE PEOPLE!

8/25/2009 07:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When an Arbitrator is picked, we should find out who he or she is, and their mailing address.

It may not be someone from the Chicago area.

Then send that person a lot of well written, respectful letters on just how we feel, how this city is run by a meglomanic and what we deserve realistically in a new contract. I really that the union leadership has been bought off.

8/25/2009 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Does not matter. No raise and no retro here, and 55 and free medical is a complete failure. Only 43 people have signed so far (they need 160 by 15 October or no deal). So we gave up lump sum payouts of our comp time upon retirement for nothing.

8/25/2009 01:01:00 AM

The union finally did something,with all the "requests" over 1,500 coppers said they wanted the 55 and out,the union finally delivered and what happened? Typical coppers talking shit but then will not retire! Blame the coppers not the union!

8/25/2009 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the FOp doesnt use this angle when facing an arbitrator it will be time to move on to a new regime. And I voted for this cureent crew twice, but I wont a 3rd time if we fail to get a decent contract

8/25/2009 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Bloomberg is a business man, he made money before he became mayor. Not like Dick, who that would have been a garbage man if dad hadn't become mayor.

B. Shanks fights all of the unions out of hate and greed. He thinks city employees owe their very employment to him. He believes that the tax revenue is actually his money.

5. Dontknowdo at the flop don't care. He got his wraped up, fuck da test of dem.

8/25/2009 07:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
ha!! yeah right. we arent getting anything close to that. 10 percent if were lucky for 5 years with minimal retro.. trust me the only reason we got the 55 and out for health care is because they know we are going to be screwed with wages.. they are just trying to soften the blow.

8/25/2009 03:07:00 AM


the only reason we got the 55 and out for health care is because it benefits the city more than it benefits us!

8/25/2009 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God bless the CPD and nobody else.

8/25/2009 03:25:00 AM


WTF?????????????????????????

8/25/2009 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comps are based mostly on geographic proximity. What did naperville get? Rockford? Milwaukee? Cost of living is higher in NYC, but there's no residency. The NYPD made out, we won't.

8/25/2009 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donahue will retire...

Yup, right to his new county job with Nolan. So do you think he gives a rats ass?

Kick FlOP out of office.... yea right we couldnt kick a fly out of the roll call room because we dont stand together! We will get exactly what we deserve because we dont stand together!

8/25/2009 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

regarding rich daley=soon very soon.

8/25/2009 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous I Work 99 said...

SCC: The NYPD PBA (Policemen's Penevolent Association)website says this contract was agreed to and ratified in September 2008, before the economy, and municipal tax receipts, truly tanked. Are you sure that economic data which would be presented to an arbitrator in 2009 (or 2010 for that matter, given how this is dragging on) would support raises like this? Curious as to your reaction.

8/25/2009 08:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if Ruthie had her family with her at the Midway Airport Elton John/Billy Joel meet and greet, but if I were you I'd sure the hell hope Ruthie did not have her family with her when she finally get's her hands around your scrawny, whining, yappy neck.

8/25/2009 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Hot Pursuit said...

I still have a running bet and that would be as arbitration closes in, the FOP will back down.

After that it might be a good time to start looking for other options in the representative department.

8/25/2009 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And we will even give up the newbie raise! Who gives a fuck?? FOP BETTER be paying attention!!! We get that or they are fucking gone!!! YOU
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Are you nuts? The ARBITRATOR will decide.. no one else...

8/25/2009 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll guarantee Daley uses the parking meter scam as his reason he can't afford a contract.

And we will do nothing to stand together to fight back and the rat bastard mayor knows it.

8/25/2009 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all you middle of the night posters above: SHUT UP WAYNE!!

8/25/2009 08:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our contract will be in the hands of an arbitrator soon. While the NYPD contract is good news it is not like it is binding on our situation. But it certainly does not hurt. Our raise will be between 3.5 and 5%.

Two things will hurt us. One all the other unions already settled for 3.5 and have me too clauses and two we have free health care now at 55. One thing in our favor is that we have always historically gotten a shade more than the other unions.

If you look at the city's CFAR for the last two years the 3.5% raises are already in the budget held in reserve. So don’t listen to the half empty glass crowd who tell you will get nothing.

TRP

8/25/2009 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the only thing RMD is handing out is furlough days and shut down days.

8/25/2009 09:26:00 AM  
Blogger rosco said...

That's New York. They have money, Chicago don't.

8/25/2009 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOOD, NOW I EXPECT EVEN MORE, BECAUSE THIS JOB IS EVEN MORE STRESSFUL THAN NYPD BECAUSE WE WORK FOR LUNATIC LIBERALS, WHO POLITICIZE EVERYTHING. AND, FOP, WE ARE WATCHING YOU, AND WE'RE NOT HAPPY.....

8/25/2009 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MEET WITH ANY ARBITRATOR WITHOUT THE MEETING BEING VIDEO'ED, RECORDED, AND ATTENDED BY GUYS LIKE MIKE SHIELDS OF OUR PENSION BOARD WATCHDOGS. IF EVERYONE IS GOINJG TO BE FOLLOWED AROUND VIA GPS, THEIR CONVERSATIONS RECORDED, ETC; THAN SO CAN DONNA-HOE AND COMPANY.

8/25/2009 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does not matter. No raise and no retro here, and 55 and free medical is a complete failure. Only 43 people have signed so far (they need 160 by 15 October or no deal). So we gave up lump sum payouts of our comp time upon retirement for nothing.


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who is signing? P.o's or someone else!? I'll sign!!

8/25/2009 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you were right the first time. that article was written before they settled their contract. at the end of the day they received 17% over 4 years which is 4.25% per year. look it up.

8/25/2009 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Does not matter. No raise and no retro here, and 55 and free medical is a complete failure. Only 43 people have signed so far (they need 160 by 15 October or no deal). So we gave up lump sum payouts of our comp time upon retirement for nothing.'

You are an idiot! Stopping trying to think!

8/25/2009 11:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The f.O.P. administration tried to argue the "comparable" as a selling point in a contract th at eventually was shoved up are keesters."


WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shoved up ARE keesters? It's "our".

As in "try OUR public school system again" or "you ARE an idiot"!

8/25/2009 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What is it with big city mayors treating their coppers like crap?

8/25/2009 12:26:00 AM"


Big city mayors have huge egos, thus, what they fear, they hate.

And they fear what they need and cannot completely control.


You do the math.

8/25/2009 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a whole lotta hairgel !

8/25/2009 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mayor of New York figured it out, why can't ours?????

8/25/2009 12:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What did L.A. coppers get their last contract?

8/25/2009 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin Graham in 023 can you do an accident report. You better learn because you're hraded back to a beat car!

8/25/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS BLOW OURS AWAY!!!!!
The maximum base salary for veteran officers would rise to $76,488, from $65,382 — a figure that does not count longevity pay, holiday pay, night-shift differentials and other compensation. With those additions, the maximum salary will be about $91,823 — not counting over time.

8/25/2009 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send this link to the FOP. So they have no EXCUSES.

8/25/2009 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a four year deal with a 20% raise, 5% a year? Not 4.25%.

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I think they mean it is compounded

8/25/2009 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me? The FOP has been negotiating this contract for two years and everything and I mean everything is going to the arbitrator except the alternate work schedule. We were sold down the river again. Wake up boys and girls it's time to get rid of this leadership in the FOP and quite frankly possibly the FOP all together!

8/25/2009 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please! We wont even be close to those numbers.

8/25/2009 12:42:00 PM  
Blogger larry said...

Flanked by Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly


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Ah ... must be nice to have a REAL boss


ray ray is a POS and would not piss on a cop if he was on fire(no offense to firemen)
he is hated by the rank and file.
he has to have air time every day when something happens he has to have a press conference most depts have a press spokesmen ray ray has himself for everything, may he rot in helll.

8/25/2009 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Isn't a four year deal with a 20% raise, 5% a year? Not 4.25%."

No. You didn't factor in compounding, the raise on the raise.

Actually, 4.25% for 4 years works out to 18% raise.

5% works out to 22%

8/25/2009 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think we had the midget here, the NY cops really hate Bloomberg, and before that, Guiliani.

What is it with big city mayors treating their coppers like crap?

8/25/2009 12:26:00 AM


its because cops are very expensive and they cant get around spending money on us

8/25/2009 01:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP BETTER be paying attention!!! We get that or they are fucking gone!!! YOU BETTER STICK IT TO DALEY BOYS OR YOU ARE FUCKING OUT!!! BE OUR HEROES OR BE OUR FORGOTTEN FIRED ASSCLOWNS!!! GET IT DONE!!!

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You are a moron.

The city offered us 10% over 5 years.

The city offered sergeants, lieutenants and captains 0% over
5 years with a "me too clause" with FOP.

The entire process will be in the hands of an arbitrator within months. The FOP can point a gun at Daley and his piece of shit corrupt cronies all they want . . you can't make someone give you want.

8/25/2009 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic:
Word is floating around that WEISel and Masters are disappointed that they have not recieved even 100 completed applications for the position of
"Commander." Imagine. At least 70Capts. in the Dept. Over 400 Lts.
and not even 100 applications completed and submitted electronically. WHAT DOES THAT SAY FOR THE TOP LEADERSHIP OF OUR #1 (WEISel) and #2 LEADERS IN THE CPD TODAY?
1) We don't trust you
2) Please re-read position #1
3) Go fuck yourselves, we aren't
going to allow you to throw
us under the "Daley Red Line."

MAYBE, just maybe, the Mayor will admit that THIS has been a "mistake" too when he speaks to the press today.

8/25/2009 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All things being equal, I would think the arbitrator would take into account the salaries of P.O's in other large cities with comparable populations and costs of living. Only New York and Los Angeles are in that category. Gary,In and Kenosha,Wi shouldn't be anywhere in the equasion. There's no way in hell they could compare us to those or any other city in the midwest for that matter. Our population and cost of living ratios far exceed any other city in the midwest. The fair contract between PBA and the city of New York stands as an example of what FOP should be bargaining for on our behalf. Kudos to the PBA. Well done!

8/25/2009 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If everyone thinks that we are going to come close with a deal like that dream on, this is chicago hme of the Daley crime family, no one here has the balls to fight Daley and his underlings. BY THE WAY FUCK YOU F.O.P TAKE NOTES. CONGRATS TO THE N.Y.P.D

8/25/2009 01:29:00 PM  
Anonymous NineteenDavid said...

Only 43 signed up so far for 55 retirement....

Goes to show you how many coppers talk out of their asses. I've heard old guy after old guy claim, "they reduce the medical to 55 and I'm gone."
Keep your pie-holes shut if you can't pull the trigger in your statements.

8/25/2009 03:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a four year deal with a 20% raise, 5% a year? Not 4.25%.


ANSWER: It's actually less than 4.25 because it's compounded. That should have been pointed out in the post.

8/25/2009 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just heard on TV that Obamas health care plan is only good until 2013. I find it a concidence that this is the same year Da Mayo is targeting for no health care also. Da Mayo has talked about this for the last 5 years and Obama has only been in office for 8 months. Who is really running the country. Sounds like Da Mayo runs it. That why he wants arbitration he knows that he will control that too!!

8/25/2009 03:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC,

It's a real ignorant thing for you guys to be asking if the FOP is "taking notes." Consider that the NYC deal you are touting now gives rookies a base pay of nearly $42k, up from $36k. Our rookies were making over $42k BACK IN 2006!!! AND, our Shitcago cost of living is a shitload lower than NYC. Who should be taking fucking notes? The PBA should be taking notes from FOP, that's who!

8/25/2009 03:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And we will even give up the newbie raise! Who gives a fuck?? FOP BETTER be paying attention!!! We get that or they are fucking gone!!! YOU BETTER STICK IT TO DALEY BOYS OR YOU ARE FUCKING OUT!!! BE OUR HEROES OR BE OUR FORGOTTEN FIRED ASSCLOWNS!!! GET IT DONE!!!

8/25/2009 12:21:00 AM

GFY! Retard.

If you got up off your lazy ass and didn't get news from blogs, you would learn that we had higher pay AND STILL HAVE HIGHER PAY than NYC. The article in the New York Times (SCC cites that liberal paper, imagine that!) says that, if the new agreement is ratified, a NYPD officer with 54 months gets $56,609 salary. Our base pay for an officer with 54 months was $63,396 - BACK IN 2005! It is currently over $68k!!

Oh, and SCC forgot to mention that in 2008, the great PBA gave back 10 vacation days for all officers with less than five years on. Oh, and then there were those concessions that brought their net raises to 1.8% in 04-05 and 2.2% in 05-06. See the New York Times (5-21-08) to verify that one.

PBA can suck it.

8/25/2009 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a four year deal with a 20% raise, 5% a year? Not 4.25%.

8/25/2009 12:28:00 AM

It's much closer to 4.0 % per pear. Raises compound, you know?

8/25/2009 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hello arbitrator--- have you cut and pasted this article to show why we deserve to be fairly compensated for the hellish job we perform daily---- 9/11 was in this city and they have money to splash around---- daley has so much money stashed here that even the squirrels are jealous--- hey you little mic bastard, time to pony up------

8/25/2009 01:46:00 AM

If the Arbitrator cuts and pastes the article as you suggest, you will wind up with less. You can take that to the bank.

8/25/2009 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hell I might try and go test for the NYPD. I hear they test monthly and can get you on in under six months.

God bless the CPD and nobody else.

8/25/2009 03:25:00 AM

There is a reason for that. Read their contract. Then read ours. You'll cancel your trip to NY, trust me.

8/25/2009 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rest assured the FLOP is going to give a lackluster brief to the arbitor, just to help Shitshanks one last time before being kicked the fuck out of office.

The FOP will have an excuse as to why Chicago can't match this, and we know it's the Daley party line.

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Yeah, that's it. Probably the fields reps will write the brief too. Not the lawyers. Nah.

IT's the same old shit time after time after time after time:

Dineen's in bed with the mayor!
Nolan's in bed with the mayor!
Donahue's in bed with the mayor!
FOP's in bed with the mayor!

Play it again, SCC. It never gets old. Truth be damned!!

8/25/2009 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger mr taggart said...

true that, but new got a legit arbitrator not like the one daley got in his pocket, i say we still get screwed sans k-y

8/25/2009 03:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Making concessions but getting a raise and then claiming victory is the PBA way. Take notes, everyone! This is NOT how to do it.

8/25/2009 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI: Our costs were NOT compared to gary and Kenosha. When you look up info on the Federal website for the Consumer Price Index, they are grouped by area. The are that Chicago is in consists of the corridor from Gary through Chicago and up to Kenosha. Prices, etc are tabulated by region, not individual city. Look it up and see what I mean. You might also find some other interesting things that an arbitrator might take into consideration.

8/25/2009 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We want this!! We better get this!!

Pipe dreams. You may get nothing.

Or, you may get a raise and have to pay more for your health benefits - like the rest of the world.

Look around you. People are losing jobs in Illinois left and right.

Government has to cut back - just like everyone else. You won't escape the "cut in pay" Tsunami.
(Especially with FOP representing you)

8/25/2009 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do arbitrators look at other comparable police departments when settling contracts?


yes... there are hundreds of things that are compared when figuring out the contract.

8/25/2009 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BETTER STICK IT TO DALEY BOYS OR YOU ARE FUCKING OUT!!!
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ehh, this is Donahue's last term, they're all out after this time around.

Now, if they blow this to shit under promises to Daley, you should know NOT to vote for any of them when they try to run themselves in a new slate.

8/25/2009 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, Read the fine print. NYPD was way behind us in terms of pay and benefits. They're making up for it, but still behind. Don't kid yourself.

8/25/2009 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

new york may as well be on pluto! this is good news but i doubt it will do us any good. bet we get half of that.

8/25/2009 06:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives such as amount of arrests. Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside.

8/25/2009 06:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives such as amount of arrests. Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside.

8/25/2009 06:30:00 PM
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Merit Pay? How's that gonna get implemented? On top of the "First early retirement package, I'm outta here" What Now? We got what we asked for . . . .

Union problem?
We have a member problem!

8/25/2009 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives such as amount of arrests. Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside.

8/25/2009 06:30:00 PM

WHAAATT? Performance based pay? Are you crazy? Never in Shitcago. Never.

8/25/2009 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does not matter. No raise and no retro here, and 55 and free medical is a complete failure. Only 43 people have signed so far (they need 160 by 15 October or no deal). So we gave up lump sum payouts of our comp time upon retirement for nothing.
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Heard the same thing. This is a non-starter. They will encourage the 43 to lay over another year or two until they get the 160. This was a collosal screw up. The retirees won't give up an $80 G annual salary to save $10,000 in insurance. Besides, many of them work inside or on foot patrols on days. Why give up that job in 2009?

8/25/2009 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives such as amount of arrests. Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside.

8/25/2009 06:30:00 PM"


Make that scale based on a graded 'quality of arrests'.

You'd then be getting a pay cut.

8/25/2009 08:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't a four year deal with a 20% raise, 5% a year? Not 4.25%.

8/25/2009 12:28:00 AM

The remaining .75% is kicked back to the City. You know how the State of Chicago would do to us. 5%on paper ONLY!

8/25/2009 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Pipe dreams. You may get nothing.

Or, you may get a raise and have to pay more for your health benefits - like the rest of the world.

Look around you. People are losing jobs in Illinois left and right.

Government has to cut back - just like everyone else. You won't escape the "cut in pay" Tsunami.
(Especially with FOP representing you)

8/25/2009 05:15:00 PM"


Now that you've shared your innermost feelings, the midget is calling you, he needs his scrotum buffed out again.

8/25/2009 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

put new officers in a 401k
give up duty availability and get a real shift differential
5% for 1st and 3rd watch
f the day time dollies

8/25/2009 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:33....Yes, Bloomberg is a businessman who created a fortune on his own. However, he is also a dangerous egomaniac who dislikes the NYPD intensely. He has tried to emulate the Daley way to the T(with smowhat more modest success). They're the best at running a modern political machine with a vise grip on power, and Bloomberg knows it. All the more encouraging for us that yes, we do have a chance.

8/25/2009 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The arbitrator does not care what New York officers got for a contract. They look at what the city has on the table and the city says they have nothing on the table. So where do you think this wil go. FOP is doing the best they can give them a break if you dont like the contract then vote it down

8/25/2009 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, it looks to me that only a handful of you morons actually do any of your own research. This NYPD shit is ancient history and if you think for a moment that the so-called raise was accomplished without major concessions, you all need to go back to your beat cars and drive around like the drones that you are.

Here's a news flash for you all. NYPD would trade contracts with us in a heartbeat. If they've got it so great, go there and work. Enjoy your 50% pension or stay longer and get 51%, but nothing more.

Say what you will about FOP, but guess what FNGs, you would all be lost without their representation. Since this crew has been in they have paid off your hall, obtained decent raises, retirement at 29 and a day without any increased contributions, time to get max pay lowered by five years, free health care at 55, health fairs, well care, free heart scans, made major gains in discipline, new work schedules, and kept your medical roll in tact.

8/25/2009 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous tom paine said...

OT. on monday, retired master sgt. Howe of the U.S. Army, gave a speech/lecture/talk on "leadership" at headquarters. there were a few gold stars in attendance. Howe began talking about grooming leaders from people who show initiative, work hard, do the work and get the work done. Howe talked about leaders leading by example, and not asking anyone to do that they themselves cannot do. leaders must come to work early and leave late if they want to be good leaders. leaders must lead by example. i looked over toward schmitz's chair and he and another gold star had left early. someone forgot to tell Howe that is not how leaders behave in chicago.

"the drawer is open" for anyone wanting a promotion here. . .

this lecture should be required for all exempts.

my back is itchy, can someone scratch it? who's got my back?

8/25/2009 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic:Word is floating around that WEISel and Masters are disappointed that they have not recieved even 100 completed applications for the position of"Commander." Imagine
------

Duh! It is bec they know the correct names have picked already. Why waste your time?

8/25/2009 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives such as amount of arrests. Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside.

8/25/2009 06:30:00 PM"

Yeah, you tell 'em. You should be handsomely rewarded for getting those pissers and drinkers off the street for 5 hours. Douche.

8/25/2009 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives
________

How about performance based promotions??

Hahahahahha

Sorry had to do it

Hahahahha

8/25/2009 11:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make that pay scale based on a graded 'quality of arrests'.

#################

Yeah right!
what would be the formula?

6 TG (Tact guys) x 1 CTTL + 2 DPW
------------------------------
hp- Ay/ 3 DCBSA = Nx($)
(3 down cars on BS arrests)
Xy+ Z- N= ($)

N= 3 hour court time x 1po
N=$75.35usc

Theres your raise dipstick!

8/25/2009 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOW ABOUT DEMANDING THAT THE MAYOR AND ALDERMAN GIVE BACK THEIR RAISES, INCLUDING THEIR STAFF'S, AND THEIR DISCRETIONARY AND EXPENSE FUNDS. PUT THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

IF THEY DID THIS THEN I WOULD BE WILLING TO FORGO A RAISE AND KEEP STATUS QUO FOR THE TERM OF 2 MORE YEARS.

IF THEY CAN REALLY LEAD BY THEIR ACTIONS THEN WE ALL COULD "CHIP" IN AS IT WERE.

GIVE THEM THE CHALLENGE...I WONDER?

8/25/2009 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Comps are based mostly on geographic proximity. What did naperville get? Rockford? Milwaukee? Cost of living is higher in NYC, but there's no residency. The NYPD made out, we won't.

You are full of shit Moron!!!! You don't compare a city the size of Chicago with Rockford or Milwaukee. When an arbitrator looks for police departments to compare to Chicago, the obvious and logical choice is acity like New York or Los Angeles. Who the fuck cares about "geographic proximity". You must be one of Daley's suckholes trying to convince every citizen of Chicago that the city is poor, and at the same time telling the Olympic Commitee that Chicago can afford the Olympics and even guarantee them against the inevitable losses created by cost overruns and outright thievery that will run rampant under Daley and his cronies.

8/25/2009 11:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey FOP pay attention... I know we don't top out as high as New York$91,823, which is the most important figure because it's how our pension is figured on. I'm not worried about starting pay, I'm worried about ending pay. See Below From NY Times:

The maximum base salary for veteran officers would rise to $76,488, from $65,382 — a figure that does not count longevity pay, holiday pay, night-shift differentials and other compensation. With those additions, the maximum salary will be about $91,823 — not counting over time.

8/25/2009 11:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside.

8/25/2009 06:30:00 PM

USING YOUR BONEHEAD LOGIC THE GUY THAT WRITES TWO BOOKS OF MOVERS SHOULD MAKE TWICE WHAT YOU MAKE BECAUSE HE'S GENERATING REVENUE. UNLIKE YOU MR. 2HEADS,WHO IS COSTING THE CITY& THE COUNTY MONEY, F'NG DUMMY!!

8/25/2009 11:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
put new officers in a 401k
give up duty availability and get a real shift differential
5% for 1st and 3rd watch
f the day time dollies

8/25/2009 08:26:00 PM

Hey, I am a day time officer. It took lots of seniority for me to get here too. When you get some you can get off midnights or third watch yourself.

You sound very ready to sell all future police officers out of their pensions. Many officers who I never met fought hard and long for the rights we now enjoy. I am not about to give them up easily for future generations no matter what trifling payoff the city might offer me.

The Captains of the CPD sold out their ranks and the rights of all future Captains for a $17,000 payout. That put us in the position now of having a department top heavy with clout good for shit captains.

If you want to sell out all who go after you at least put your name to the post so future generations of officers have someone to curse.

8/26/2009 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont know if this will give you guys any perspective, but we have a population of about 110,000 (no way to know for sure) and a very, very small geographic area. We went to arbitration asking for 4% retro back to 2007. Arbitrator ruled against us and awarded the 3.5 % (+ retro) that the town offered. We did win other issues but not the $. We also have FOP. Take care and be safe.


Cicero PD
Cicero PD

8/26/2009 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is it with big city mayors treating their coppers like crap?.....................

Because mayors are politicians, and policitians are criminals. What bad guy out there likes cops?

8/26/2009 05:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>rosco said...
That's New York. They have money, Chicago don't.

8/25/2009 09:42:00 AM<<<

Chicago's GOT THE MONEY!

The battle cry out to be, "AUDIT THE BOOKS!"

It's waiting for some whistle blower to go to the IRS and make a finders fee.

8/26/2009 05:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Anonymous said...
put new officers in a 401k
give up duty availability and get a real shift differential
5% for 1st and 3rd watch
f the day time dollies

8/25/2009 08:26:00 PM<<<

put new officers in a 401K !!!
NO YOU IDIOT! The current contributors help fund the current retirees, always have and hopefully alway will.

The real shift differential would be great, I am an old timer who works midnights by choice. But that won't happen because of all the clout babies who never see a police station at night.

8/26/2009 05:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a news flash for you all. NYPD would trade contracts with us in a heartbeat. If they've got it so great, go there and work. Enjoy your 50% pension or stay longer and get 51%, but nothing more.

Say what you will about FOP, but guess what FNGs, you would all be lost without their representation. Since this crew has been in they have paid off your hall, obtained decent raises, retirement at 29 and a day without any increased contributions, time to get max pay lowered by five years, free health care at 55, health fairs, well care, free heart scans, made major gains in discipline, new work schedules, and kept your medical roll in tact.

8/25/2009 09:59:00 PM

SO TRUE!!! At the last interest arbitration for our contract, the City plopped the contracts from the ten biggest cities (NYPD included) right on the table and offered us any one of them that we wanted. We did not bite. Why? Cuz we have a good contract.

8/26/2009 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tom paine said...
OT. on monday, retired master sgt. Howe of the U.S. Army, gave a speech/lecture/talk on "leadership" at headquarters. there were a few gold stars in attendance. Howe began talking about grooming leaders from people who show initiative, work hard, do the work and get the work done. Howe talked about leaders leading by example, and not asking anyone to do that they themselves cannot do. leaders must come to work early and leave late if they want to be good leaders. leaders must lead by example. i looked over toward schmitz's chair and he and another gold star had left early. someone forgot to tell Howe that is not how leaders behave in chicago.

"the drawer is open" for anyone wanting a promotion here. . .

this lecture should be required for all exempts.

my back is itchy, can someone scratch it? who's got my back?

8/25/2009 10:39:00 PM


That's good, jeez, I had a good laugh at that one. A motivational speaker coming here to give a talk on leadership. Might as well have a NASA scientist give a speech on rocket science.

Any talk on leadership presumes you have a cadre of good people waiting in the wings ready to step in to be leaders. We don't have that here, we have the opposite. We have people who dare to tell us what we must do and then they themselves are held to a different standard.

Here the motto of supervisors is "rank has it's privileges." They do not come early and stay late. They arrive late and leave early and tell you to go fuck yourself if you dare question them and them will write you up if you don't give them the "respect" due their rank.

Respect for superior officers here comes at the point of a sword, not because it is earned by being a leader of honor, dignity and integrity. This is the City of Daley and he has modeled the police department in his image of city government. The result is a totally fucked up police department.

-- kma club life member

8/26/2009 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5% would be nice but our coward-like FOP barely asked for 4% over four years. I doubt because of that, we would receive more then we originally asked for. THANKS FOP!!!! You dog-asses failed us once again!

8/26/2009 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous the are that Chicago is said...

The are that Chicago is in consists of the corridor from Gary through Chicago and up to Kenosha. Prices, etc are tabulated by region, not individual city. Look it up and see what I mean. You might also find some other interesting things that an arbitrator might take into consideration.

Yes. Check out the Farmer's Almanac for May 27, 2010 and you'll be able to see what phase and color the moon will be in when the arbitrator renders his decision: full of shit brown.

Too bad the City spoiled the party and filed for arbitration first, because 2+ years without a contract is WAY too short a period of time. If only the City and FOP could have kept this good faith contract negotiation circle jerk going a few years longer, at least until the city declares bankruptcy...maybe next time. The impatient punks must have gotten to them.

I do mean what you see. The FOP missed out on your contribution to the cause again. PBPAs loss is our gain.

8/26/2009 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

55 and out and lift the residency and you can keep your raise!!!!!

8/26/2009 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What would some of you cops give in concessions (if anything) if the city would go to the state and lift the residencey requirment?

8/26/2009 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You do realize that was from last year

8/26/2009 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an old timer who works midnights by choice. But that won't happen because of all the clout babies who never see a police station at night.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Midnights by choice right. Then why would you give a fuck who works other shifts? In two months or so you can bid to days, Mr old timer. So either do that or STFU.

and before you ask, I have 25 years on.

8/26/2009 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hey FOP pay attention... I know we don't top out as high as New York$91,823, which is the most important figure
8/25/2009 11:38:00 PM

Hey dipshit, try this on for size. A copper here makes about 81K after 25 years. He works to 29 and a day and collects 75% which equals 60,750. If he's 55 and collects until 75 thats 1,215,000 in total retirement earnings.

A NYPD copper makes 91,823 by your example. He works 29 and a day and collects the max pension of 51% which equals 46,830. If he's 55 and collects until 75 thats 936,600 in total retirement earnings.

Yeah, I'd only be losing about 280,000 in pay plus the 100,000 or so I'd be getting in free healthcare premiums here.

I wonder if you still think NYPD still has such a great deal?

8/26/2009 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Empty Pockets said...

This city is NOT broke! There are multi-million $$$ in the city's 83 TIF funds that Shortshanks refuses to account for. Go to the Cook County Clerk's (David Orr) website and check out the section on TIFs tax incremental financing). In 2007, over $555 million of tax revenue dollares went into the city's 118 TIFs rather than into the city's general revenue fund. In 2006, that amount was $500 million. The 2008 numbers won't be out until November. All this is tax revenues that HAD THERE NOT BEEN THESE TIFS would have gone into the general fund to pay for city services - you know, police, fire, garbage pickup, schools, streets, etc. Those 2 years alone would pay the budget for the police department. Instead, it goes into the TIF and who knows what that gets spent on. Even David Orr, as the guy who has to dole these monies out, has called for accountability and transparency in the spending of these funds.

These TIFs can last for 23 years, with the tax value for purposes of general city revenue being frozen at the level it was at the time of the creation of the TIF. Any increased tax revenues due to increased value of property in the TIF or any increase in the property tax multiplier only goes into the TIF, not into the general city fund. So here we have Shorshanks threatening to raise our property taxes next year to cover a budget shortage. Even though everyone's taxes citywide get raised (some to more extent than others), only the increase in tax revenues from non-TIF property is going to wind up in the city's general revenue fund to pay for police, fire, etc. The increased tax revenues from the TIF properties goes into the TIF funds, and the tax payer is still f*cked. This is what city dwellers should be up in arms about! I've been bombarding my aldercreature and state legislators (TIF is state legislation) with demands that this process be exposed; the rest of you need to do the same. THIS CITY HAS THE MONEY! We have seen that we can't rely on the media to expose this public thievery; we have to take matters into our own hands. It isn't the easiest thing, it's time-consuming - but it's also $1.05 BILLION of our tax dollars from the last 2 years alone.

8/26/2009 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"55 and out and lift the residency and you can keep your raise!!!!!"

Cause you are an idiot with god knows how many years on! I will bet you liked the leasing of the Parking Meters. Take it now and fuck you later. Do you understand how stupid you are?

8/27/2009 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"and before you ask, I have 25 years on."

Just because you have worked a job for 25 years does not make you smart. Also, things are different from when you were on the street 23years ago. "Time on the job" is nothing more then that, time. So for you fucks who think you deserve more cuz you been on the job longer then someone else- try pulling your head out from under your desk and look around. When shit hits then fan, you will be hiding behind the younger guys who you were so quick to throw under the bus! BY THE WAY!! I have 16 years on and treat ALL PO's with respect- try it sometime you self important festering turd!

8/27/2009 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I hope the arbitrator would agree to a scaled pay scale. It should be based on performance objectives such as amount of arrests. Since I usually bring in around 2 heads a night, I should not be making the same amount of money as some do-nothing working inside."

I hope the arbitrator agrees to a scaled pay raise too!!! BY I.Q. so you would be completely fucked!!!!

8/27/2009 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you understand how stupid you are?

8/27/2009 11:30:00 AM

Yes. That's why I joined the CPD.

8/28/2009 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you understand how stupid you are?

8/27/2009 11:30:00 AM

Yes. That's why I joined the CPD.

8/28/2009 10:21:00 AM

U should have joined the CFD.

8/30/2009 03:50:00 PM  

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