Arbitrator Decision?
Unit Rep meeting called for Friday. Arbitrator's decision to be handed down then?
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Updates as we have them.
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posted by SCC at 11:00 AM
Wednesday, April 14, 2010
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yeah, got handed down this morning by the arbitrator.. fop keeping it tight to the chest so they can give the unit reps the details which will then be revealed to the membership via unit reps midday friday...why they cant just tell us now i dont know.. so fop knows what we are getting but we need to wail till friday.
Finally. Now comes the decision whether to retire, or not.
Let's pray the arbitrator gives us daley's first offer of 16%
if daley didn't have the funds he wouldn't make the offer
could sure use some retro with rising taxes and tuition
can't use city schools
Finally.... Arbitrator took the total alloted days to do this.
FLASH> state supreme court over turns arbitrators ruling to give buffalo firefighters a 6% payraise over two years,will shortshanks try this with us,just saying,hope for the best.
O/T
THE WEIS COWARDICE INVESTIGATION
The Chief Investigator for the Office of the Inspector General, Robert GRAPENTHIEN (formerly "Mr. G") has advised me that "(b)y law, (their) investigations remain strictly confidential." I await his response to my latest eMail further indicating that a redacted (names, addresses, etc.) copy of the case file would possibly be acceptable for my review.
I also replied with a hypothetical in which this could conceivably facilitate chicanery and a cover-up in such a sensitive case. This is despite the fact that based on my investigative experience (most of my career), the COWARDICE case versus Mr. Weis is a proverbial "slam dunk" with no way out.
However, I understand that Mayor Daley's recent appointee to Inspector General, Joseph FERGUSON, is a man whose integrity is above reproach. I was further impressed with the fact that his executive staff includes former FBI agent David GROSSMAN as well as former CPD officers Mary HODGE and Robert GRAPENTHEIN.
I have the utmost confidence that the investigation will be conducted without the corrupting influence of CLOUT and Chicago-style politics.
I await the eMail response of "Mr. G". He has already agreed that a personal (versus telephone) interview would serve no probative value to the investigation. He added that there are no documents to be executed.
Stay tuned...
GOTTA RUN!
One word answer.yes
After they fuck us on this contract, then we should unite and have a real work slowdown. Remember this the Captains and the Leiutenants already started the ball rolling by agreeing to contracts with no raises and changes in disciplinary procedure. So after the City fucks us, thank one the sell out bosses that voted yes.
It is time to get rid of the me too clause, why the fuck should we pay dues to bargain for these white shirts that will not do shit for us? I say fuck them!
My source says there will be a union rep meeting Friday, maybe a decision from the arbitrator then.
Thank me later for the intel.
Signed,
Flash
Operation Pinpoint: activated...
Ruling to be given this Friday.
(I hope I didn't burn my CI)
if we get any kind of raise daley will blame us for higher taxes,i could care less!
True. Arbitrator's decision to be released simultaneously to the City and FOP at 0800 Friday, 150 pages of .pdf file.
Give some time for printing and copying then Unit Reps meeting at 1200 to get their handouts detailing the decision.
it is likely to leak to news outlets etc. before the noon Unit Rep meeting but officially, the noon meeting is release time. Unit Reps only.
Now if daley has a massive coronary at 0801 hours on Friday you will know it is in our favor.
If he is giddy and jumping up and down with that smug cock-sucker look on his face prepare for the worst.
who's this benn guy and why did he take up all 45 days to come up with a decision
Off Topic: What a piece of shit Daley continues to be.
Far South Side alderman Anthony Beale (9th) — who has infuriated rank-and-file-police officers by targeting their supplemental pay and proposing more power for “rent-a-cops” — was chosen by Mayor Daley today to chair the City Council’s Police Committee
Round and Round it goes ... nobody knows.
Will FOP wait until monday to tell us the arbitrators decision ?
The suspense is killing me! Tell me right now!.......Aaaaarrrggggg!
OT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/14/arizona-tough-immigration-laws
why they cant just tell us now i dont know.. so fop knows what we are getting but we need to wail till friday.
4/14/2010 11:28:00 AM
They want to save the blood and tears for friday when its too late to act and leaves us to cry in our beer until monday.
Anonymous said...
who's this benn guy and why did he take up all 45 days to come up with a decision
4/14/2010 03:41:00 PM
Benn is at best a very wise, mature, pragmatist.
O'Ben one-Kanobi at least, Jedi.
Anonymous said...
The suspense is killing me! Tell me right now!.......Aaaaarrrggggg!
4/14/2010 05:18:00 PM
Get laid. It relieves the tension.
What does a new contract impact your decision to retire?
O.T. With the state budget being so far in the red that our Gov. is forced to fire Troupers and other state workers and raise taxes. It's nice to know he can find 85k a year for a canoe czar. I kid you not. Can you say, I can bankrupt a state, CANOE
..."the Captains and the Leiutenants already started the ball rolling by agreeing to contracts with no raises and changes in disciplinary procedure. So after the City fucks us, thank one the sell out bosses that voted yes...."
You are ignorant of the history of all this. Prior to the first Sergeants contract (I was a member then) we were going to be FOP Lodge 7A and be like the Firefighters where we would be all together up to the rank of Battalion Chief. Shortshanks didn't want a strong police union like the IAFF Local2.
So John Dineen sold us out, gave us nothing, no representation, no votes on the board nothing but a place to send out dues. All parts of Shorty's Divide and Conquer Strategy.
That’s why we went with PB&PA, not perfect, but considering what FOP has done for its members not bad.
On this contract, No Raises,(B-S!) we had to wait. That couldn't be settled with us at that time or if we accepted less $ as a tradeoff what would would you say then.
Disciplinary, like alcohol testing, check everywhere else that's SOP and that would be a no win and a waste to fight.
Stay safe, grow up, you better make some friends with some white shirts because it sounds like you will need them.
Think about the $$$ Daley has made in interest not having to pay, not only the retro money, but just simple pay increases such as cost of living... You figure at this point in a new contract had we had one...lets say 12% at this point in the contract... 4 years would be what 16%? What's 12% times 10,000 POs Det etc etc sitting in some bank earning interest over three years??? Daley makes out like a Fat Rat...that's why he drags these out....Time is on his side....By the time he settles he's made much of it back in interest!
Cool on Saturday I might write 2 contact cards!
It only took three years.
It will be handed down Friday along with the NEW Arbitration Award Ribbon.
Ald Beale? What a joke. He wants to trim the fat by targeting duty availability. How bout trimming tha fat by cutting the alderman in half. How bout only sending police officers to districts where the citizens actually pay taxes.
If the chief financial expert mayor Daley has enough cash to pay mr. Streets and sans. Mr picardi $130,000 a year with ZERO law enforcement experience a c.p.d superviser job, imagine what 20 yrs law enforcement experience he is going to pay me and my other hard working comrades!!!!!!!!
Northside
FOIA the GPS from jfled's truck, it should show right where he ran to. I hope the investigator also pulled the video footage, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a pod camera in Englewood.
Keeping my fingers crossed for yooz guys!
---not a cop
Far South Side alderman Anthony Beale (9th) — who has infuriated rank-and-file-police officers by targeting their supplemental pay and proposing more power for “rent-a-cops” — was chosen by Mayor Daley today to chair the City Council’s Police Committee
4/14/2010 04:23:00 PM
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So, now we know the contract is a good one for us. Retaliation has begun.
Retirement time for me. Watch your backs on your iod bills going to collection from here on out. This guy HATES the police, guys.
O.T. With the state budget being so far in the red that our Gov. is forced to fire Troupers and other state workers and raise taxe...
remember our GOV set up an office in AFRICA to bring in business to Illinois.... hows that going ?? I tried to email his office 3 times never got a response
FLOOD GATES OPEN 1,000 to RETIRE
This Mayor dick and FOP leadership together again keeping our salary a secret while we continue to finance both of them. I wish we can make them go to arbitration for a raise and we can make them wait. Daley, Donahue hope some day the grow a backbone and remember what its like to actually work for a living and need a paycheck.
Looks like daley doesn't like what the arbitrator has come up with based on his decision to appoint that hater beale to head the police/fire committee.
its official said...
yeah, got handed down this morning by the arbitrator.. fop keeping it tight to the chest so they can give the unit reps the details which will then be revealed to the membership via unit reps midday friday...why they cant just tell us now i dont know.. so fop knows what we are getting but we need to wail till friday.
4/14/2010 11:28:00 AM
Wrong. It was not handed down, notice was given that it will be released to city and FOP simultaneously Friday at 0800 hours via a 150 page .pdf file. FOP does not now have the decision, neither does the City.
Friday, 0800, not before, then Unit Rep meeting at noon to get printed material to take back to units. And by then, of course, leaks to media.
And hopefully a maniac daley foaming at the mouth.
Anonymous said...
who's this benn guy and why did he take up all 45 days to come up with a decision
4/14/2010 03:41:00 PM
Are you a fucking new guy or what? Moron.
Anonymous said...
why they cant just tell us now i dont know.. so fop knows what we are getting but we need to wail till friday.
4/14/2010 11:28:00 AM
FOP doesn't know until Friday, 0800 hours. Neither does City.
OK, here is it, take this to your bookie, we are getting 25% over 5 years. Or not.
Read this you'll really want to pull the plug now. It just keeps getting worse for us.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/2159582,beale-police-committee-041410.article
It is time to get rid of the me too clause, why the fuck should we pay dues to bargain for these white shirts that will not do shit for us? I say fuck them!
Yeah do that The Lt.s would love it so would the Capt.s and Sgt.s. You really don't know how this works do you?
O.T.
Just heard that over 50+ Lt's and 20+ Captains going with the early 55 and over health retirement option. WOW!!!!
190+ P.O.'s already signed up + all those bosses.
Looks lika a MASS EXODUS COMING!!!!
O T Hey John let me clue you in. Mr. G was detailed to the G on one of the gang task forces and H.G. was his Sgt then and after H.G. went up they merit promoed him Sgt and then Lt.He's friends with numerous G agents who know Weis so don't get your hopes up with the investigation.
Mr. G is a little out there.D.G. is a goof to.
You do good work John.
If it is getting released Friday, then it is good for us. Friday is the last day of the news cycle. Usually news that is bad for politicians is released on a Friday so that the news cycle is reset for Monday. Look at all the late in the week decisions that are bad for politicians. All stated on a Friday. I think we did well people. I hope I am right.
Anything less than 16% over 5 years should be considered a loss. If the city had the money for 16% over 5 years in their offer before then that's what we need to get from the arbitrator.
Tonight's the night. I sit here watching some show on tv, listening to sirens move away in the distance, and I'm wondering what they're thinking, all my friends who are facing their last day tomorrow.
A hundred fifty or so of us are leaving tomorrow. Thousands of years of police experience is retiring tomorrow. Drinks at Major Hall, watch parties at bars now leveled by miles of townhomes, reminders to the pups to use vaporub under their noses at the bad ones, remembering the first time you tried to figure out how the mars lights worked and finally taking a marker to the dashboard because MMD couldn't ever switch them the same to save their lives.
Learning not to touch the moving walls and making sure your recruit learned not to sit on the moving couches. The funerals, and the great laughs and stories afterward, despite the wailing bagpipers and the damned hearse.
And the suicides. God help us. Friends we never knew were in such desperate straits and the guilt and love we'll carry for them the rest of our lives.
Friends. Friends not seen for a dozen years, greeted with the warmest of bear hugs. Friends who know our deepest secrets, thanks to long hours of midnights spent trying to survive the hours of boredom and the moments of terror. Friends who know what's in your locker and why. Friends who'll go through hell to bring you back from wherever you are.
There are people leaving us tomorrow who remember no union, no air in the cars, little district circles sewn on your sleeve (always half peeled off), a mayor who thought power windows would distance you from the people, another mayor who loved the police and gave us our first living wage... Chicagofest on hot nights, with music bouncing off Lake Point Tower, the Bulls riots (and a few who remember the King riots). They remember a time when children ran alongside police cars and waved, and smiled, and they meant it.
Gonna miss you guys, and gals, a lot. The job's gonna be a very different place next week. Godspeed.
You can bet the fop will put it up immediately on the update site of the website,otherwise they will be getting hundreds of calls. Another reason to do it on friday, no crying over weekend calling flop!
What does a new contract impact your decision to retire?
4/14/2010 05:55:00 PM
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I'm sure you mean 'how' does it impact, or even 'why' does it impact...
If the contract is backloaded, it might mean the difference between staying through this year or not. It could affect that pesky pension.
Whatever we get you will watch mayor thief and the 50 cowards lambast the police! Watch ed smiff,asshole lazy beale,etc... and even eddie (oily) burke who denies all our iod claims to fuck us over more! Watch the show,watch the newspapers talk shit also! A world of shit,ok give us a world of CASH!! Also FUND THE PENSION THE CITY HAS BEEN NOT FUNDING FOR TO LONG,DO YOU THINK THE MIGHTY MIKE SHIELDS WILL DO SOMETHING?
So this contract is settled Friday. This contract will then expire in 14 months? Right
so next Monday the fop can start the process all over again for the NEXT contract.
WTF
Hello All,
I know we are all in a bind regarding our contract and the upcoming arbitrator decision, but I have some news that concerns our neighboring brothers in Park Ridge. On Thursday, April 15th, in the Park Ridge Council Chambers at 7PM, members of the Park Ridge city government plan on ratifying a new city budget in which (4) four Police Officers will be written out of the budget and laid off. This is terrible news for all police. And, the worst thing about their situation is that their FOP made an attempt to make concessions regarding pay and the City rejected it and is opting instead for layoffs. I just wanted to post this to show that the grass is not always greener elsewhere and that this kind of shenanigans is happening in many places with our current economy. God bless the four officers and let's hope the right decision is made by keeping them all on board.
P.S. There is also news that (3) three firemen and (2) two community service officers will also be eliminated from the new budget (if approved), so we wish them our best as well.
Think about the $$$ Daley has made in interest not having to pay, not only the retro money, but just simple pay increases such as cost of living... You figure at this point in a new contract had we had one...lets say 12% at this point in the contract... 4 years would be what 16%? What's 12% times 10,000 POs Det etc etc sitting in some bank earning interest over three years??? Daley makes out like a Fat Rat...that's why he drags these out....Time is on his side....By the time he settles he's made much of it back in interest!
Ald. Beale used his clout and got his daddy a job with Anita Alverez's Investigations Dept.
Yeah, it's all on the square.
4/14/2010 10:34:00 PM
Godspeed also, Dam brother/sister you brought a tear to my eyes! Your so right in your words thanks!
I'm eating at taco bell every day! Murder, death,kill, and no swearing. If only I had Sandra Bullock as my female partner and a real vehicle hahahahaha.
NorthSide said...
O/T
THE WEIS COWARDICE INVESTIGATION
The Chief Investigator for the Office of the Inspector General, Robert GRAPENTHIEN (formerly "Mr. G") has advised me that "(b)y law, (their) investigations remain strictly confidential." I await his response to my latest eMail further indicating that a redacted (names, addresses, etc.) copy of the case file would possibly be acceptable for my review.
I also replied with a hypothetical in which this could conceivably facilitate chicanery and a cover-up in such a sensitive case. This is despite the fact that based on my investigative experience (most of my career), the COWARDICE case versus Mr. Weis is a proverbial "slam dunk" with no way out.
However, I understand that Mayor Daley's recent appointee to Inspector General, Joseph FERGUSON, is a man whose integrity is above reproach. I was further impressed with the fact that his executive staff includes former FBI agent David GROSSMAN as well as former CPD officers Mary HODGE and Robert GRAPENTHEIN.
I have the utmost confidence that the investigation will be conducted without the corrupting influence of CLOUT and Chicago-style politics.
I await the eMail response of "Mr. G". He has already agreed that a personal (versus telephone) interview would serve no probative value to the investigation. He added that there are no documents to be executed.
Stay tuned...
GOTTA RUN!
4/14/2010 12:16:00 PM
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No sworn affidavit? No sustained beef by law.
"It is time to get rid of the me too clause, why the fuck should we pay dues to bargain for these white shirts that will not do shit for us? I say fuck them!
4/14/2010 01:56:00 PM"
U R N ID I-OTT
Should I spell it in Chinese?
If they settled low then Shorshanks would use that as our figure. If they would have gotten more(never happen), what would you say then? At least all the white shirts I ever see thank God were blue shirts.
Maybe it's a good thing they get what we get and had to wait three years for their raises too. Who's calling for divide and conquer now?
Best wishes and sincere thanks to all those leaving us today---you will be missed.
Ald. Beale picked to head City Council’s Police Committee.
Really. Come on. Really?
My dad loved old man Daley. Even worked for him. Now I understand why he never had anything nice to say about his son.
Captain Smith at least came up through the ranks of the White Star Line and was well respected.
J-Fled took command of a man-o-war, something he knew nothing about, left a dead sailor (Airhardt) on the gangplank, left the dock without enough fuel food or ammo, has been flogging the crew mercilessly, forcing others over the side, silenced the good command officers in the ward room and has turned off the radar and has the lookouts in the crows nest looking only at the crew.
J-Fled would never get far enough at sea to hit an iceberg or face the enemy and Shortshanks has sold off the lifeboats.
That's more like it. Jody don't go to see those retirees off, I heard some of them are likely to tell you off.
4/14/2010 06:31:00 PM
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GREAT post!
After they fuck us on this contract, then we should unite and have a real work slowdown. Remember these Captains and the Lieutenants already started the ball rolling by agreeing to contracts with no raises and changes in disciplinary procedure. So after the City fucks us, thank one the sell out bosses that voted yes.
Just remember the Lt's contract passed by about 12 votes, not everyone is against you. I was more disappointed with my fellow lt's for voting this contract in than I am at you for berating me without having all the facts.
The lt's that voted for it used the rationale that, "it is already happening elsewhere we might as well give in" How moronic is that? Contractual rights were fought for and they voted to give them up because everyone else is doing it. I guess their mommas never used the ole line, "would you jump off a bridge just because your friend did it?"
The thing that amazes me is the lt's who complained and bitched that this contract better pass so they can get the 55 and out, and they are still HERE, with no plans of leaving!!!
Our leadership is non-existent; it has more to do with Daley than anyone else. Those cpd bosses that go along with him are just ball less. I mean if I told you give me $15,000 back every year and work twice as much, you would probably tell me to get a nice cup of STFU. Something happens when they get that gold star, its like jack and the magic bean stalk, he just cant resist.
So berate all the bosses you want there are a lot of us that know the p/o's are the reason this job works. We studied hard, and don't have any juice, and guess what a lot of us work in the "ghetto" so what can they do to us, put me in 003 on 1st watch, been there done that, bring it on Jfled because one day the music will stop and you will be the one NOT holding a chair...
The guy who wrote this: Tonight's the night. I sit here watching some show on tv, listening to sirens move away in the distance, and I'm wondering what they're thinking, all my friends who are facing their last day tomorrow.
I been retired almost 3 years now. You got it right. It's not the job you miss. It's the people you work with. They are your real family.
Gonna miss you guys, and gals, a lot. The job's gonna be a very different place next week. Godspeed.
4/14/2010 10:34:00 PM
got a chuckle out of me
Anonymous said...
..."the Captains and the Leiutenants already started the ball rolling by agreeing to contracts with no raises and changes in disciplinary procedure. So after the City fucks us, thank one the sell out bosses that voted yes...."
You are ignorant of the history of all this. Prior to the first Sergeants contract (I was a member then) we were going to be FOP Lodge 7A and be like the Firefighters where we would be all together up to the rank of Battalion Chief. Shortshanks didn't want a strong police union like the IAFF Local2.
So John Dineen sold us out, gave us nothing, no representation, no votes on the board nothing but a place to send out dues. All parts of Shorty's Divide and Conquer Strategy.
That’s why we went with PB&PA, not perfect, but considering what FOP has done for its members not bad.
On this contract, No Raises,(B-S!) we had to wait. That couldn't be settled with us at that time or if we accepted less $ as a tradeoff what would would you say then.
Disciplinary, like alcohol testing, check everywhere else that's SOP and that would be a no win and a waste to fight.
Stay safe, grow up, you better make some friends with some white shirts because it sounds like you will need them.
4/14/2010 06:00:00 PM
PB&PA not bad? Did you say "not bad?" Who wrote the above comment, Sgt Stupid or Sgt Real Big Idiot?
Maybe you missed it but your PB&PA Union President is under indictment for stealing over one million dollars of your dues money, likely with the help of the PB&PA treasurer, his wife!
Yeah the PB&PA is not bad. In that case neither was Stalin, Hitler, the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 and the Black Plague. Not bad, there have been worse I guess. Wait, better throw in John Gacy and Richard Speck in the "not bad" mix, not bad compared to some really bad dudes.
Jesus, not bad. Your sense of good and bad really seems to have gotten a bit twisted over the years. I guess PB&PA President could have stolen billions instead of only a million. You Sgt's sure are lucky to have what you have. Not bad.
Cool on Saturday I might write 2 contact cards!
HA
Dear Old Guys,
If you've got your ducks in a row, join me in Flawida. Low (burstbubble) cost housing, no income tax, low home taxes.
Golf 'til you sizzle, swim, fish, watch the local wildlife (rednecks in pickup trucks)
If you don't want to put up with the City's b.s. retired carry rules, a ccw license costs $140 bucks.
Good luck to those of you fortunate to evacuate. You served the city, and deserve the wind at your backs.
I have a question maybe someone can answer. I resigned from the CPD six months after the contract expired and left to another agency. Do I contact the FOP to receive my 6 months of reto or CPD HQ finance office?
Gonna miss you guys, and gals, a lot. The job's gonna be a very different place next week. Godspeed.
4/14/2010 10:34:00 PM
Thank you very much for that post, sir. If you are a good P.O., this post was like an arm around your shoulder at the scene of some horrible tragedy. You were probably a great Officer and you and your kind will be missed. To all the retirees, Good luck.
Whoever posted the paragraph about John Dineen was dead on. Before J-Fled, Dineen did more to screw this Department than any P.O. EVER!
No interest paid on the RETRO MONEY.
Don't spend it all in one place.
Jesus, not bad. Your sense of good and bad really seems to have gotten a bit twisted over the years. I guess PB&PA President could have stolen billions instead of only a million. You Sgt's sure are lucky to have what you have. Not bad.
The audit was done and no money is missing so stfu...
God bless the retirees as they embark on the next leg of their journey in life. Don't look back, look forward!! You will miss this circus, but not the clowns....
Anonymous said...
After they fuck us on this contract, then we should unite and have a real work slowdown. Remember this the Captains and the Leiutenants already started the ball rolling by agreeing to contracts with no raises and changes in disciplinary procedure. So after the City fucks us, thank one the sell out bosses that voted yes.
It is time to get rid of the me too clause, why the fuck should we pay dues to bargain for these white shirts that will not do shit for us? I say fuck them!
4/14/2010 01:56:00 PM
WRONG. The Lt's and Capt's did not agree to no raise idiot, They have the me too. That way the city only has to work with one union not 3. It makes it easier for all. We would have all been FOP if it were not for Nolan who did not want to give Lt's and Capt's representation if they joined FOP. But that was before your time rookie!
To the below poster, (only closing remarks included)...
Nicely said. My only hope is that our people carry your thoughts and respect for one another, 'on da' job'
active and retired and thank God for being part of, "The Greatest Fraternity on Earth!"
God Bless all our brothers and sisters in law enforcement.
...Jesus, not bad. Your sense of good and bad really seems to have gotten a bit twisted over the years. I guess PB&PA President could have stolen billions instead of only a million. You Sgt's sure are lucky to have what you have. Not bad.
4/15/2010 03:29:00 AM
Blaming the entire PB&PA over a Sgt. (president) that stole their money is like blaming the entire United States of America over Obama!
(Sorry, SCC I need to plagiarize one of your lines)
"ASSWIPE"
O T Hey John let me clue you in. Mr. G was detailed to the G on one of the gang task forces and H.G. was his Sgt then and after H.G. went up they merit promoed him Sgt and then Lt.He's friends with numerous G agents who know Weis so don't get your hopes up with the investigation.
Mr. G is a little out there.D.G. is a goof to.
You do good work John.
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And another thing. Mr. Steer on Harlem/Higgins is closed.
Hey Beale ! Think the feds know about
the dope dealing next to your ward office that led to the shootings of two cops during the raid...
your land deals at Concordia Park Little League field,Eden Green and Altgeld Gardens, 111 Ellis, 117th Doty and Ryerson Steel-North Pullman
the secret partnership with your Oak Brook based lackey security firm...
and your buddy reverned/politico's Harvey heroin connection?
Don't worry-they will.
Your ward has one of the highest crime rates in the city, and the highest foreclosure rates in the country.The only notable business is a strip club, and the schools suck. You ain't even a good alderlackey, let alone a fire police chairman.
Jesus, not bad. Your sense of good and bad really seems to have gotten a bit twisted over the years. I guess PB&PA President could have stolen billions instead of only a million. You Sgt's sure are lucky to have what you have. Not bad.
4/15/2010 03:29:00 AM
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I guess the "PB&PA President" was actually a CHICAGO POLICE SERGEANT elected by CHICAGO POLICE SERGEANTS, his alleged thieving had NOTHING TO DO WITH PB&PA!
Anonymous said...
who's this benn guy and why did he take up all 45 days to come up with a decision
4/14/2010 03:41:00 PM
Because he can you dip shit!
After almost 3 years 44 extra days is nothing. If it's in our favor then then it doesn't really matter. If it goes against us then that is 3 extra pay periods at the old medical deduction rate.
Now go handle you domestics.
Grapes is still working for the IGs office?
Hello Grapes
old retired guy
j fled gotta run er a pop pop pop
gotta da runs
Anonymous said...
O.T.
Just heard that over 50+ Lt's and 20+ Captains going with the early 55 and over health retirement option. WOW!!!!
190+ P.O.'s already signed up + all those bosses.
Looks lika a MASS EXODUS COMING!!!!
4/14/2010 09:49:00 PM
Where the fuck you been these past months Sherlock?? This has been stated numerous times in the media, FOP General Meetings & also on this blog. Wake up & smell the roses!
Anonymous said...
..."the Captains and the Leiutenants already started the ball rolling by agreeing to contracts with no raises and changes in disciplinary procedure. So after the City fucks us, thank one the sell out bosses that voted yes...."
You are ignorant of the history of all this. Prior to the first Sergeants contract (I was a member then) we were going to be FOP Lodge 7A and be like the Firefighters where we would be all together up to the rank of Battalion Chief. Shortshanks didn't want a strong police union like the IAFF Local2.
So John Dineen sold us out, gave us nothing, no representation, no votes on the board nothing but a place to send out dues. All parts of Shorty's Divide and Conquer Strategy.
That’s why we went with PB&PA, not perfect, but considering what FOP has done for its members not bad.
On this contract, No Raises,(B-S!) we had to wait. That couldn't be settled with us at that time or if we accepted less $ as a tradeoff what would would you say then.
Disciplinary, like alcohol testing, check everywhere else that's SOP and that would be a no win and a waste to fight.
Stay safe, grow up, you better make some friends with some white shirts because it sounds like you will need them.
4/14/2010 06:00:00 PM
PB&PA not bad? Did you say "not bad?" Who wrote the above comment, Sgt Stupid or Sgt Real Big Idiot?
Maybe you missed it but your PB&PA Union President is under indictment for stealing over one million dollars of your dues money, likely with the help of the PB&PA treasurer, his wife!
Yeah the PB&PA is not bad. In that case neither was Stalin, Hitler, the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 and the Black Plague. Not bad, there have been worse I guess. Wait, better throw in John Gacy and Richard Speck in the "not bad" mix, not bad compared to some really bad dudes.
Jesus, not bad. Your sense of good and bad really seems to have gotten a bit twisted over the years. I guess PB&PA President could have stolen billions instead of only a million. You Sgt's sure are lucky to have what you have. Not bad.
4/15/2010 03:29:00 AM
Woa Nellie
Think you know your history, Not!! It was the Bill Nolan Crew & some of your fellow Sgts. that wanted to run FOP 7A, Not John Deneen. John tried to get everyone from the patrolmenm to captains in original contract but the city refused stating that since white shirts could discipline the troops it would'nt be right to have fellow union members oversee fellow members. That was the major reason & besides that you had some sgts. that wanted a seperate union since they had their own agenda. See where that got ya! Ha! Ha!
I been retired almost 3 years now. You got it right. It's not the job you miss. It's the people you work with. They are your real family.
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I think I will do alright.
I HATE this job.
I HATE this city.
. . and most of all, after 30 damn years I HATE FUCKING PEOPLE.
Barbra Streisand said:
"People who need people are the luckiest people"
I SAY, I will BITCH SLAP you BITCH!
If, and when Cooter decides to articulate his platform to run for president of the FOP- I, and many others will be spreading the word of:
COOTER FOR PRESIDENT!!
Cooter will not remain silent, but will call for job actions, and be posting updates on U-tube, and a secure members only website!
Anonymous said...
Jesus, not bad. Your sense of good and bad really seems to have gotten a bit twisted over the years. I guess PB&PA President could have stolen billions instead of only a million. You Sgt's sure are lucky to have what you have. Not bad.
4/15/2010 03:29:00 AM
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I guess the "PB&PA President" was actually a CHICAGO POLICE SERGEANT elected by CHICAGO POLICE SERGEANTS, his alleged thieving had NOTHING TO DO WITH PB&PA!
4/15/2010 11:18:00 AM
Certainly it did. The PB&PA did not and was not performing due diligence and allowed this to happen. If the Union President is a thief then there must be other checks and balances to catch this BEFORE he empties the treasury.
It IS the fault of the PB&PA leadership that they did not catch this. Coppers and money must always be watched when they are in close proximity. And someone needs to watch the watchers and someone needs to audit all of them etc.
Anonymous said...
I have a question maybe someone can answer. I resigned from the CPD six months after the contract expired and left to another agency. Do I contact the FOP to receive my 6 months of reto or CPD HQ finance office?
4/15/2010 07:32:00 AM
You may or may not get any retro depending on when the raises kick in, watch the FOP web site. It won't be too much in any event.
How long before 5F crashes??
what's in the contract regarding the cost of medical for those who retired 2-4 yrs ago. I heard that those of us in that time period might pay only what the active members pay instead of this high ass premimum we pay now.
God Bless Cooter !!!!
Karnak the Magnificent predicts............The FOP, Mayor and Superintendent will unite in this new contract to give duty disabled POs ......................................NOTHING. Thanks to all. Masters Masters Masters.
GIVE THAT SGT'S UNION ITS OWN POST THEY CRACK ME UP!
WITH ALL THOSE GREAT MOVES THEY MADE ON THEIR CONTRACT.
FUNNY THING IS THE WHOLE BOARD ACTED LIKE THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG.
WHAT A BUNCH OF DOGS.
REMINDS ME OF ENRON NOBODY KNEW ANYTHING.
THEY WILL ALL BE FUTURE EXEMPTS BET ON IT...
Certainly it did. The PB&PA did not and was not performing due diligence and allowed this to happen. If the Union President is a thief then there must be other checks and balances to catch this BEFORE he empties the treasury.
It IS the fault of the PB&PA leadership that they did not catch this. Coppers and money must always be watched when they are in close proximity. And someone needs to watch the watchers and someone needs to audit all of them etc.
Truly, the unit, 156B of PBPA administrates in its entirety their own union activity and treasury, it is not connected to the treasury of PBPA other than paying their dues to PBPA... the oversight is that your bylaws have to comply with PBPA rules and be submitted. Otherwise, the units are run independently by the elected board. The PBPA was paid all monies due to them. Now, maybe it would be nice if the PBPA was looking over the doings of a board member of a local unit, but I doubt if that is gonna happen. What needs to be done is the SERGEANTS of the CPD need to update/change their bylaws to ensure the appropriate checks and balances.
I would venture that you are not involved in your union or you might have a completely different attitude about this. If you have a beef with PBPA, fine, but you are barking up the wrong tree here. Fault lies with CPD sergeants elected to the board of the Sergeants Association PBPA Unit 156B, not with the PBPA in and of itself.
t IS the fault of the PB&PA leadership that they did not catch this. Coppers and money must always be watched when they are in close proximity. And someone needs to watch the watchers and someone needs to audit all of them etc.
4/15/2010 06:39:00 PM
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I'll grant you, the sergeants board members should have had more diligence, but it still is not connected to PB & PA as an statewide organization, only with the Sergeants Association...
you heard it here first
sgts will lose 45 min a day overtime
Anonymous said...
t IS the fault of the PB&PA leadership that they did not catch this. Coppers and money must always be watched when they are in close proximity. And someone needs to watch the watchers and someone needs to audit all of them etc.
4/15/2010 06:39:00 PM
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I'll grant you, the sergeants board members should have had more diligence, but it still is not connected to PB & PA as an statewide organization, only with the Sergeants Association...
4/16/2010 12:20:00 AM
Here in Chicago, which is home base for SCC, when we refer to FOP we generally mean Lodge 7 which represents rank and file PO's and not the Illinois State Lodge of the FOP nor the National FOP.
Likewise when we refer to PB&PA we generally mean the Chicago Sgt's Association, not the national organization nor any international or intergalactic union.
So for the sake of semantics and precise language, you can assume that when I refer to PB&PA I mean the Chicago Sgt. chapter. The one with the leadership under indictment. That one.
If you are concerned with the name PB&PA being sullied when it is referenced instead of simply the Chicago Police Sergeants Association perhaps you could lead a move to remove the PB&PA charter from the Chicago Sgt's. Association or seek to add a disclaimer each time PB&PA is mentioned in Chicago.
Below is taken verbatim fro the CPD Sgt.s Assoc website:
"In 1998 the C.P.S.A., became a member of the Police Benevolent & Protective Association (PB & PA of Illinois). As the CPSA, the association still actively maintains a social and fraternal organizational structure. As Unit156A of the PBPA, Illinois, the Chicago Sergeants have expanded their horizons and have become not only a fraternal organization but a labor union created to protect the rights of its’ members and to advance their best interests and concerns through the bargaining process."
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The link http://www.pbpa156a.org/ takes one directly to the Chicago Sergeants Association site.
Maybe I assume too much but there seems to me to be a direct link between the PB&PA and the Chicago Police Sergeants Association, your denials to the contrary notwithstanding.
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