"Act of God"? Or Stupidity?
Big storms yesterday. So big that it cracked tens of dozens of windows throughout downtown, including a few on the Sears Tower.
But the most damage downtown appeared to be directly across from City Hall. The 70 mph winds carried what seemed to be a dump truck load of pea gravel all the way from Iowa, across Illinois and deposited it up and down Daley Plaza, Jackson and Washington. The power of these storms to actually carry rocks over 100 miles....
What? The gravel didn't come from Iowa? Well where did it come from then? We mean, nobody would be so silly as to put a couple of tons of gravel on top of buildings, would they? Not 11 stories up in the air where who knows what might happen to it in a strong wind?
Walking the route of today's ethnic parade event, the damage wrought by short-sighted thinking is obvious. Gravel and glass mixed for literally block and blocks. We aren't kidding when we say the building across from Shortshanks' rooftop garden looks like it lost over two dozen windows with another few dozen cracked. The scaffolds and cranes are going to be busy for weeks and damage estimates we heard run to $500,000 just for glass. Labor and installation will probably push the total higher and who knows how much the City is spending at this moment to clean up the streets and plaza for Monday.
The City That Works.
But the most damage downtown appeared to be directly across from City Hall. The 70 mph winds carried what seemed to be a dump truck load of pea gravel all the way from Iowa, across Illinois and deposited it up and down Daley Plaza, Jackson and Washington. The power of these storms to actually carry rocks over 100 miles....
What? The gravel didn't come from Iowa? Well where did it come from then? We mean, nobody would be so silly as to put a couple of tons of gravel on top of buildings, would they? Not 11 stories up in the air where who knows what might happen to it in a strong wind?
Walking the route of today's ethnic parade event, the damage wrought by short-sighted thinking is obvious. Gravel and glass mixed for literally block and blocks. We aren't kidding when we say the building across from Shortshanks' rooftop garden looks like it lost over two dozen windows with another few dozen cracked. The scaffolds and cranes are going to be busy for weeks and damage estimates we heard run to $500,000 just for glass. Labor and installation will probably push the total higher and who knows how much the City is spending at this moment to clean up the streets and plaza for Monday.
The City That Works.
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posted by SCC at 10:01 AM
48 Comments:
It's really quite common, in fact almost universal with flat top roofs. The pea gravel makes a walking surface, weighs down the rubber seal to prevent the wind from moving it or tearing it, and also protects it from ultraviolet.
They really don't think do they! Let's put gravel up ona roof! What a great idea! Way to go dumbfucks!!
Glass and gravel?
Ghettoization by mother nature?
No...Just the idiot on 5 geeting downtown reader for his supporters.
the Polkiciticans don't care, we the dumb-fuck taxpayers have to pay for it all. Just another DemocRAT Blunder.....
Okay, I need help from our city's finest.....my truck was hit and run in Veteran Square Mall while I was in paying my cable bill.....a witness left a note identifying the red van..
License plate # K127703
Time of day : 12:27 PM
I went to the station nearby to fill out a report and was able to get the following:
Make GMC
Model Van
Color Red
Year 1995
Regsisted to Eliada Mora (Ramiro)
4039 N. Avers Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
Now, I went to People Finders, Zaba Search, and Intelius and came up with his phone number, alias, and other addresses. But, I get the 'Mr Superman No Home' routine when I call him....
Any suggestions???
Also, Aliada Mora (Ramiro) has the following (3) outstanding violations on the van:
Notice of Violation # 7002647913
Red light violation
K127703 IL 5/12/2010
$100.00
Notice of Violation # 9179420615
No city sticker or improper display
K127703 IL 5/18/2010
$120.00
Notice of Violation # 9179446470
No city sticker or improper display
K127703 IL 6/4/2010
$120.00
If he/she tries and pays these tickets, will they put a hold on them? What goes on now?
Can anyone find out where the tickets for no city stciker were written at? A location, time of day, and day of the week? Anything?
Too bad shanks wasn't on the roof during the storm !!
CBS Building windows shattered.
Worked 1st watch and saw all the little gravel rocks strewn about the sidewalks and Daley Plaza with workers coming in early this morning to sweep up the evidence. What idiot would dump loose landscaping rocks on top of a building in a windy city like Chicago? Who is going to pay for the damages? What about police officers detailed to the Central Business District from the Patrol Districts for traffic control? I mean,"What the fuck!!!".
I remember when new roofs were put on the Cabrini High Rises back in the mid 80s........they didn't use gravel on those flat roofs--they used fist sized and larger rocks.
More than one copper was pelted with those until they were all removed.
My cousin is a union roofing contractor and from the beginning he said all this rooftop garden shit is ridiculous. A roof is a roof. It is not meant to be a playground, deck, garden, etc. You put down a roof to protect the building. Then they start laying down lawn chairs, tables, grills, pavers and wonder why the roof starts leaking.
Stupid.
---not a cop
How stupid can you be ? All in the name of being " green" or what ever is fashionable for the day, week, year.
OFF TOPIC FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN 016. A M/2/30'S DRIVING 1995-1999 WHITE CHEVY MONTE CARLO 2 DR UNK PLATE HAS BEEN GOING TO HOUSES WITH ADT ALARM SIGNS. HE RINGS THE BELL AND SAYS HE'S WITH HONEYWELL AND IS HERE TO SERVICE YOUR ALARM SYSTEM. TALKED TO THRU DOOR DIDN'T GET A REAL GOOD LOOK. aDT DOES NOT USE HONEYWELL OR HAVE SERVICE CALLLS WITH CUSTOMER REQUESTING ONE. HATE TO THINK HE IS AMYHTING MORE THAN A BURGLAR CASING BUT MIDDLE OF THE DAY DOESNT SOUND TO GOOD. BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR FAMILIES. THIS OOCCURED IN THE AREA OF MONTROSE/NAGLE.
Dang, they still use that stuff ?
Back in the day roofers put those
little rocks atop the tar to help
reflect the heat from the Sun.
"dis is all youz coppers fault! JACKIE! Get yer ass in here. I want ya to plant another story in da papers 'bout those fuckin' coppers ok? Good girl! J-fled! (heh, kinda like dat name...) Fire some 'o dose coppers willya? We gives 'em two percent an' dat was too much for 'em... Where's my coffee?"
Good job by the 41st Ward S&S guys cleaning up the tree debris today. Lots of BIG downed branches and they seem to be making good progress.
Squad car crushed in 016
http://www.suntimes.com/news/weather/-1,061910weatherg.photogallery?index=0
Pea gravel?
That shit largely disappeared from new roofing or reroofing two decades ago.
Now the new thang is a "rubber" roof topped off with a white elastomeric coating. I've had one on my flat roof for going on twenty years and topped it off with the coating a few years ago. No leaks at all except once after a major storm.
My guess is someone in the Daley family may secretly own a piece of a pea gravel quarry and a roofing company.
Can anyone find out where the tickets for no city stciker were written at? A location, time of day, and day of the week? Anything?
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No.
@ 6/19/2010 10:40:00 AM
Because the tickets you listed are all over 7 days old..the ability to find the address where they were issued at is gone...even by a Revenue employee that isn't at a terminal in one of the offices.
If it makes you feel any better...the red light notice will double in a few days, as will the City Sticker Tickets. That van is also Boot Eligible as of 6/04/10 because it has a third active citation.
Any Copper here can tell you that you should file a criminal complaint for Hit and Run, and you could probably get them to also let you file a complaint for Failure to Stop and ID after an Accident. You also have enough Info to call 3-1-1 and file a non-emergency police report over the phone. Option 3 I believe.
The guy is right, standard practice in the trade. Pea gravel has been used for years on rooftops!
OT:
Thanks 2211 for handling the 3 susp M/1s sitting in the car at 109 and central Park at Approx 1815 on Saturday. Your code about them having "Civil Rights" and they can be on the public way was a nice way for you to blow it off without doing anything. If they were sitting in a car that means you can question the driver, ask for his D/L, Insurance and so on. You can also order the other occupants out of the vehicle. If you are unsure about how to handle a job try and ask one of your co-workers with time on the job. I'm not the one who called but a lot of us in the neighborhood listen to our scanners now and then.
Thanks again for a job well done!
Okay, I need help from our city's finest.....my truck was hit and run in Veteran Square Mall while I was in paying my cable bill.....a witness left a note identifying the red van..
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get an accident report and have your insurance pay for the damages. that's all that is going to happen. its an accident. i'm sure the witness didn't leave his name and number. all the owner of the van has to say is that they didnt hit your vehicle. move on and quit obsessing over the van and worry about more important things. and even if the witness did leave their info, nothing is going to be done about it. its chicago my friend not some small town.
The Watcher said...
Glass and gravel?
Ghettoization by mother nature?
No...Just the idiot on 5 geting downtown ready for his supporters.
6/19/2010 10:30:00 AM
Sorry I corrected the post. I can't even blame too much booze.
Off Topic: Sat., 1815, 2 people shot at PR fest in 014, viva bouriqua! Can the city force an end to this nonsense and make them stop like the South Side Irish. I know there were a lot of fights along Western, but don't recall anyone being shot last March.
to the man who van was hit,,I know the area where the other driver lives,I would bet you big buckD the owner of the van was an illegal alien. No drivers License and No Insurance. I have been hit twice by illegals. Sice you have a plate that was registered , your report will go to a Hit and Run department that will send the other driver a letter regarding the accident. If he doesnt respondm they will wait for it-suspend his license! he doesnt have a license so he doesnt care. Go ahead het your van fixed, if he has ins(which i doubt)you will notified. Jusr be glad you were seriously hurt or killed in an accident with someone who is illegal and basically "in the wind"
I got hit and ran in the parking lot at Comcast on Milwaukee Ave last week............a witness got the plate # and I was able to get the person's last name when I filled out a report............I found the chicka had a red light violation and here's the video....
click on home at top to watch the video from this link
https://www.photonotice.com/citation_view.asp
citation # 7002647913
Plate # K127703
OFF TOPIC FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN 016. A M/2/30'S DRIVING 1995-1999 WHITE CHEVY MONTE CARLO 2 DR UNK PLATE HAS BEEN GOING TO HOUSES WITH ADT ALARM SIGNS.
run the Il plate G11 7642 to a white van saw them car with a small ADT Sign - Not a cop
Im betting no-bid Walsh got the contract then subcontracted it out right away to another city-connected company that does roofing. I'm betting the gardening will be done by none other than C. Webber landscaping, another political hack. Everyone will get a piece of the pie with this one.
Did anyone hear about the tree homeboys that got smoked in 010 today?
I guess the WOPR on the 5th floor couldn't predict those homicides. LAMO
2%
Does the FOP have an eligibility election rule that requires a member to attend so many meetings prior to an election?
If so; Go to No.99-3146 of the Seventh Circuit Appellate Court for the ruling making it void.
Decided March 23, 2000
SCC, this is way off topic but something we all are watching. even the chicago reader is calling it a smoke screen. a surprise city council meeting about the city's gun ban, how this city works, and how we are all being manipulated by shortshanks. im sure you could give it a better going over than i could.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2010/06/18/city-council-hearing-turns-into-rally-for-handgun-ban
Uh, as others have commented, ballasting a roof with gravel is common practice, and even though it's been given the whole "green" label that's typically incidental to its use as ballast.
Given this blog's acerbic attitude toward anyone publicly giving such nonsense "common sense" assessments of police work you'd think you'd stick to what you know best.
Spending millions to use concrete tiling or other coating methods to revamp downtown rooftops is not only impractical but the cost would be drastically more than to replace a handful of windows.
TO: Anonymous said...
Okay, I need help from our city's finest.....my truck was hit and run in Veteran Square Mall while I was in paying my cable bill.....a witness left a note identifying the red van..
Just give all that to your insurance company and officer friendly. Since your witness was anonymous (I am assuming that because you didn’t say otherwise) don’t expect this to go anywhere. If you witness is known and cooperating then it is remotely possible to site the owner of the vehicle for leaving the scene of an accident. Under the Illinois Vehicle Code the vehicle owner is always liable for violations committed with the vehicle, even if they were not operating it at the time. However that can be problematic to prosecute so don’t be disappointed to if it doesn’t happen. With the cooperating witness your insurance company should be able to sort it out and take whatever civil action might be appropriate.
I’m not sure what your intention is in locating this person. If you did locate them I wouldn’t recommend confronting them, you might earn a few humps on the noggin for your trouble. You’re best bet is to let your insurance company handle it with them and you stay at a safe distance. If they had enough balls to drive away from wrecking your car they probably aren’t the sort of people you’d want to meet socially. Don’t take any personal risks with these shitheads let your insurance company address it; that is why you’ve paid them the big bucks.
Is it just me or does Kevin Joyce, D-Rep from the 19th Ward, look just like Shortshanks?
OT... ADT uses Honeywell (Ademco) equipment but Honeywell doesn't service the equipment. ADT is like the cable man, comes only when you call, maybe..
Retired Suburban- now in alarm business......
6/19/2010 10:40:00 AM
well, it appears they may have a bunch of people residing in that house. Go figure.
You can view the two ticket violation photos here
http://apw.imageenforcement.com/chicago/Pages/LoginForm.jsp
Then call revenue to ask
Anonymous said...
Is it just me or does Kevin Joyce, D-Rep from the 19th Ward, look just like Shortshanks?
6/19/2010 11:23:00 PM
The Rattus Politicus all look alike.
Thanks 2211 for handling the 3 susp M/1s sitting in the car at 109 and central Park at Approx 1815 on Saturday. Your code about them having "Civil Rights" and they can be on the public way was a nice way for you to blow it off without doing anything. If they were sitting in a car that means you can question the driver, ask for his D/L, Insurance and so on. You can also order the other occupants out of the vehicle. If you are unsure about how to handle a job try and ask one of your co-workers with time on the job. I'm not the one who called but a lot of us in the neighborhood listen to our scanners now and then.
Thanks again for a job well done!
I understand your frustration with the way that incident was handled...but MAKE NO MISTAKE...you have to handle anything like that in 022 with kid gloves...of course iam not saying to just let these pieces of shit do whatever they want in OUR neighborhood...but it will make the headline lead story if the copper.(whomever it may be),says one thing out of line and it is recorded...MAKE NO MISTAKE..ask any common thug today..they will tell you, they ALL record you on their cell phones when being pulled over and or stopped. They are waiting for you to fuck up so they can run to the media, and then their attorney...anyone remember the incident in 010?...what she did was illegal...but it still made the news...and was on CNN.any officer working in 022/009..(bridgeport),,,these are areas that the southside convicted felon gangbanging reverends have been targeting for years...be smart today boys and girls...dont get caught up over these walking pieces of filth!
@ 6/19/2010 10:40:00 AM
You got the name and address of the registered owner..
Plus enough info to show that the place is probably a flop house.
Call I.C.E
Referencing the ADT/Honeywell guy, this is a popular scam right now being done illegally by desperate alarm salesman.
They drive around neighborhoods and look for the alarm signs. They enter the home and they replace your alarm panel with the one they're selling and activate it. They get a quick $300-500 for selling an alarm system.
The homeowner finds out when they receive a bill from the old alarm company and the "new" one the criminal installed.
This has been going on a LOT here in Indianapolis and I'm sure that's what is going on up there. Nothing to be concerned about.
@ 6/20/2010 11:23:00 AM
".of course iam not saying to just let these pieces of shit do whatever they want in OUR neighborhood.."
Actually....yes you are.
If you're that afraid of doing your job...I think Revenue is Hiring.
To the comment about the cops responding to a car sitting on a corner. What violation were they committing that justifies a cop dragging everyone out of the car? 4th amendment training depicts what the responding cops did as correct. It was a job well done.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the comment about the cops responding to a car sitting on a corner. What violation were they committing that justifies a cop dragging everyone out of the car? 4th amendment training depicts what the responding cops did as correct. It was a job well done.
6/21/2010 01:17:00 AM
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You must have slept through the 4th amendment class.
Thanks 2211 for handling the 3 susp M/1s sitting in the car at 109 and central Park at Approx 1815 on Saturday. Your code about them having "Civil Rights" and they can be on the public way was a nice way for you to blow it off without doing anything. If they were sitting in a car that means you can question the driver, ask for his D/L, Insurance and so on. You can also order the other occupants out of the vehicle. If you are unsure about how to handle a job try and ask one of your co-workers with time on the job. I'm not the one who called but a lot of us in the neighborhood listen to our scanners now and then.
Thanks again for a job well done!
6/19/2010 06:40:00 PM
Hey Mr. Bumsted. read the 4th amendment. I bet if you and Blondie were sitting in you car and a police officer, with no probable cause asked you to present ID you would be very upset and ready to sue.
Are they suspicious because they were M/1's??? was there a complainant? What exactly is suspicious about sitting in a car at 6:15 pm? as opposed to standing naked on the hood??? (now that's suspicious) were they waiting for tripleA?
You see Dagwood, there are a lot of variables that a pimple like you don't understand, if you are so quick to judge the Officer's actions why don't you stop listening to the scanner, grab yourself by the nuts (if you have any) and confront the "suspicious M/1's" or just call 911 and not remain anonymous, tell them " this is Mr. Dagwood Bumsted im calling about the M/1's sitting in the car, and if you need a complaint signed I'll be right out"
Stop being a crybaby and stop questioning the actions of police officers who work your neighborhood.. you may need them one day. Now Blondie has a nice sandwich and a glass of milk waiting for you right next to your scanner.
SUA SPONTE
Here's another "going green" incident, direct from City Hall: several years ago the standard urinals in the second floor public men's room were replaced with waterless devices. Mix toxic urine with copper pipes (required by city building code) and what do you have - leaks! It cost more than $150,000 to break out marble walls to replace all the damaged wood and insulation. And, it still stinks.... And the "green" manager who thought this up has left his position to be the city manager of Portland (?)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thanks 2211 for handling the 3 susp M/1s sitting in the car at 109 and central Park at Approx 1815 on Saturday. Your code about them having "Civil Rights" and they can be on the public way was a nice way for you to blow it off without doing anything. If they were sitting in a car that means you can question the driver, ask for his D/L, Insurance and so on. You can also order the other occupants out of the vehicle. If you are unsure about how to handle a job try and ask one of your co-workers with time on the job. I'm not the one who called but a lot of us in the neighborhood listen to our scanners now and then.
Thanks again for a job well done!
6/19/2010 06:40:00 PM
Hey Mr. Bumsted. read the 4th amendment. I bet if you and Blondie were sitting in you car and a police officer, with no probable cause asked you to present ID you would be very upset and ready to sue.
Are they suspicious because they were M/1's??? was there a complainant? What exactly is suspicious about sitting in a car at 6:15 pm? as opposed to standing naked on the hood??? (now that's suspicious) were they waiting for tripleA?
You see Dagwood, there are a lot of variables that a pimple like you don't understand, if you are so quick to judge the Officer's actions why don't you stop listening to the scanner, grab yourself by the nuts (if you have any) and confront the "suspicious M/1's" or just call 911 and not remain anonymous, tell them " this is Mr. Dagwood Bumsted im calling about the M/1's sitting in the car, and if you need a complaint signed I'll be right out"
Stop being a crybaby and stop questioning the actions of police officers who work your neighborhood.. you may need them one day. Now Blondie has a nice sandwich and a glass of milk waiting for you right next to your scanner.
SUA SPONTE
6/21/2010 10:31:00 AM
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Thanks for the advice. Next time I will confront them knowing that the cowards working the beat car will do nothing. And yes, I know the 4th amendment and there was lots of cause to question them in this circumstance. By asking me about "grab yourself by the nuts (if you have any) and confront the "suspicious M/1's" you must mean the beat car did not have any nuts either since they did not confront them.
Thanks again for nothing.
Dear Mr. Bumsted, the beat car "did" confront them, while you were in the comfort of your basement or family room or wherever you safely relax and monitor the police frequency via your scanner. The officer or, I'm sorry the COWARDS you refer to, were out there responding to this run-of-the-mill BULLSHIT call which usually results in nothing.
You see Bumsted, even shitheads have more sense than you, even the M/1's in the car are not stupid enough to sit in a car and wait for the police to approach them if they were "dirty".
I'm assuming since you are so passionate about the way the call was handled, (evident by your many posts) you were the "ANONYMOUS CALLER" talk about being a coward? Jody is that you?
I look forward to reading more of your whining, and you are so welcome for nothing, we aims to please sir!
SUA SPONTE
I have some experience in roofing. While Pea Gravel is often used to top coat flat roofs, it is NOT piled up and left on the roof.The gravel is spread out, lightly rolled and the excess is swept or vacuumed off. In cooler weather we used a torch to heat the tar surface up a bit so the gravel would stick.Only a very little excess gravel should be left from a proper job. The City Hall roof has everything but the kitchen sink up there, IIRC they were lifting sh*t up there for 3-4 months, small wonder some of it blew off!
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