McDonald Applies for Gun Permit
Otis McDonald applied for a permit the other day - and he's not really happy about some aspects of it:
Two years after filing a lawsuit that ultimately forced the city to dismantle its 28-year-old handgun ban, Otis McDonald walked into a police station Monday and applied for a permit allowing him to keep a gun at home.
The process took only 20 minutes, but McDonald said some of the requirements to obtain the permit seemed excessive. And though a gun permit was worth any price for him, he said he is concerned that the $100 fee could deter some law-abiding citizens from buying a handgun.
Future court decisions will hopefully strike down the Shortshanks' provisions.
Reading the article through, you find this tidbit:
Reading the article through, you find this tidbit:
- As of Monday, police said they had accepted 83 applications for gun permits since the process started two weeks ago.
Eighty-three permits? That's it? Are Chicago citizens exercising civil disobedience by not even bothering to apply for gun permits? Or are the sheeple so disconnected that they are going to continue to wallow in their potential victimhood?
We did notice that not a single gangbanger applied for one of the eighty-three permits though.
We did notice that not a single gangbanger applied for one of the eighty-three permits though.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 1:05 AM
59 Comments:
People shouldn't have to jump threw hoops but given the requirements I'm sure many people have either chosen not to have a handgun or they purchased one without getting a permit.
"That's it? Are Chicago citizens exercising civil disobedience by not even bothering to apply for gun permits?"
Maybe they're waiting for the excessive components of The Demented Dwarf's law to be struck down...more likely, they're simply NOT going to participate in Daley's charade.
It's that no one gives a shit.
The good people of Chicago have already been disregarding that asinine law for years now and I seriously doubt there's going to be some huge rush to dive into a Daley fabricated bureaucracy.
We've been saying 'fuck em' for quite some time on the gun issue... Did anyone really think that was going to change? Did anyone think that people were going to rush to register their firearms in a city that has dedicated 'gun teams' whose only job is to fuck with people who own guns? I mean, yeah, mostly they only go after shitheads, but there are gracious plenty cases of Joe Schmoe getting screwed by them. You think I'm putting my name on that list? Laughing my ass off...
Chicago Gun Laws = Kiss my ass.
Sincerely
The Entire City of Chicago
Registration leads to confiscation.
Wow $100 to execute a constitutional right. I guess poor people can't have LEGAL guns in Shitcago. I thought the Democrap party was for the working man. Thieving Asshats!!!
Thanks for a great job to the officers with that fire rescue. Jodie and the connected asswipes aside, you all are the best!!!
Just a taxpayer
Buy what you need to protect your family and keep your mouth shut.
How many FOID carrying citizens kept guns in their home before the ban was lifted???
Answer: Alot
How many of those people were caught??
Answer:Very few
Oh come on now, half the ghetto dwellers are driving uninsured cars without licenses, plates or city stickers. Why should they suddenly feel the need to register their guns ? As for the rest of the responsible citizens who have armed themselves they will probably continue doing what they always have done and ignore the foolish registration ordinance. Who in their right mind would want city hall to know they’ve got one.
If you use the weapon in self-defense you can’t be prosecuted for failing to register it anyway.
I read something here a few weeks ago
How can the government charge a fee for exercising a Constitutional right?
That needs to be challenged
I say they already have a gun and are telling asshole to go fuck himself.
Maybe civil disobedience, we can hope so, but probably just ... the mayor's plan is working. Make it a long, drawn out process, and keep changing the rules to slow it down more.
Also, how many chicagoians have FOID cards? Takes a month, at least for that. Training, gotta schedule and attend the class....
Eventually we will have numbers that upset hizzhoner and Fr. Snuffy too!
Criminals don't abide by gun laws - why would they start now?
It is unfortunate that Chicago's new gun law requires $100. That's taxing a Constitutional right.
Should we tax free speech (First Amendment rights)? Maybe all reporters should have to pay $100 in order to sit in press conferences. All radio and TV news
personnel should pay $100 in order to work at their respective stations.
Maybe all politicians should pay $100 to be able to talk at press conferences.
Silly? Stupid? Unlawful? Totally outrageous?
Now you're getting the idea on how $100 fee for a gun permit sounds.
Have a friend who was in the back yard when 3 pos walked in through the front. He sees them, chases them, they get away. He applied for his foid and can't wait to get his gun. If it happens again, he will be ready.
A whole crap load of guns J-Fed has put on a unsafe gun list and can not be registered. Check out the city's UNSAFE GUN list. This city is a bunch off @$$e$ and that's why its turning to $h@! Dump Daley.
OT but if "Police Department spokesman Roderick Drew said the department “doesn’t measure the success of crime-fighting strategies simply by the number of arrests.” He argued that the “true measure” is the reduction in reported crime that Chicago has experienced over the past decade." (from the Suntimes 7/29) is true, then why does EB Need to know the "worst performers" and "tactical activity"?
Its to hard to register a gun. If they wanted everyone to register their guns they would have no fee and no bull-shit classes. This city is nuts!
OT: What numbskull decided on the radio channel configuration?
I hear coppers asking where to find zone X, city-wide Y or car to car and nobody knows.
The soloution is easy but when input from the street police isn't sought you get stupid shit. Every radio model should be configured the same.
Example, the XTS radios with three banks should be set up with bank A being district zones. Then each zone can correspond to it's matching number. Zone 1 = A1 on the radio. Bank B for city-wide channels and Bank C for car to car and miscellaneous use.
One of the problems is finding an instructor that's licensed and provides a class that covers the specific topics required before you can even apply for the $100 (3-year) Chicago Firearm Permit. As more and more people get licensed this problem should go away.
I'm currently waiting for a former Shore Gallery employee who teaches courses to get his license. He says he only knows two other guys who can teach the course.
This seems like a good place and right thread to ask a question of police officers, so...
...what is the general opinion (or the opposing arguments) among the police about easier ownership of handguns by the citizenry in general (assuming as I do that it would decrease the percentage of possessors that are felons?
Followup: If in favor...just for home defense or would you be OK with more of us carrying in public?
Full disclosure: I favor fewer restrictions on ownership for us law-abiding Joes, but have no idea how it would play out in real life with more people carrying. My natural pessimism leans to being against, though. I currently own no firearms.
School me, officers!
EVERYONE IS GOING TO ROLL THE DICE.
IF PEOPLE HAVE THE FOID CARD AND THE WEAPON MIGHT AS WELL WAIT FOR THAT DANGEROUS INTRUDER TO COME STEAL THEIR HD TV.
WHY PAY ITS AN ANOV!
THE MINUTE A JUDGE GIVES SOME JAIL TIME THE MEDIA WILL GO INTO FRENZY.
Who can afford the cost of registering a gun.
Many of these people do not have FOID cards yet. They cannot apply for the Chicago permit without the FOID. That is a big reason the apps are so few at this point. Let's hope the ISRA, NRA etc etc continue to litigate the ridiculous process where people need multiple permits to exercise a right given to them by the constitution. I sure don't need two permits to exercise my right of religion to be a member of Father Pfleger's following....although, a psychological evaluation would be much more appropriate :)
once again the law abiding citizens are taxed with gun permit registration fees
check court records , when is the last time a gang banger was fined for failure to register or sentenced to a few days in jail for no foid card
it's always joe sixpack paying the mayors add on
we will remember this in feb 2011
The problems is, that by the time you buy a gun + amo + training + gun lock (if u have kids) + registration someone could spend up to $600 to $800.00 which it hurts in this tough economy! Even if you want to be armed.. a lots of us may hold back ...maybe because some of us are unemployed or maybe because your job is not secured,those are one of the many reason why... in some instance you rather pay bills or save those $600-$800 than buy a gun and continue being vulnerable to the pieces of sh^% criminals,thanks to our FUC%^NG MAYOR!!!!
But pay back is a BIATCH because next elections, I will cast my vote for the opposition or no vote if this ASSWIPE mayor runs again.. guaranteed!
Just too costly. I said it before. People don't have the money to shell out, what, maybe a grand when it's all done? Even a good used revolver will cost 400 to 500 dollars. Then add Shortshanks' fees and the cost of training to qualify for Daley's certificate, ammunition, FOID card, etc. The cost is up there! And what about the insurance policy Daley wants gun owners to carry? Too expensive!
And other people are just too uneasy (even frightened) about guns. Some may be appalled at the thought of owning a firearm, but that's a whole different mind set: Know what I mean? The liberal bent: "How dare you own a firearm! You should just turn the other cheek."
O/T current Sgt. here anybody have any intelligent idea how many new sergeants are getting made? I have heard 30, 50 ad 90. Can't get time now andwith 100 additional going soon just want to know how bad it might get.
My mother has had over 20 guns in her house in this city for years and years. Why would she go register them now and give ASSHOLE Daley her money. (Unless the gun team feels the need to lock up a 70 year old woman for exercising her constitutional right)
Signed a fellow P.O.
OT: What numbskull decided on the radio channel configuration?
All the new radios are set up right. B for zones corresponding to number. And c for each corresponding citywide.
Old or Ronald?
I was hoping you were referring to McDonald's restaurants here in the city
It's easy. There were only 83 unregistered firearms in Chicago in the first place, hence only 89 applications filed. Now everything is OK and the mayor can be happy again.
"but have no idea how it would play out in real life with more people carrying."
The funny thing is, this isn't even an abstract question anymore. Any number of states have had lawful concealed carry for going on two decades and the facts are Swarovski-Crystal clear.
There is no 'blood running in the streets', there are no OK Corral gun battles at stoplights between road-raging motorists, there are no shootouts between license-holding gang members who were inspired to arms by the availability of lawful carry permit. All of that shit was theorized in the beginning, but anyone with an ounce of sense and basic comprehension of human nature knew those hysterics were bullshit being perpetrated by idiots with an inherent aversion to firearms in the first place; indeed, twenty years into it, it's been shown that people who get lawful carry permits are absolutely, positively not the problem.
It's kind of tiring to hear it presented as if it's some sort of 'debate'. It is not anymore. The results are in. The answer is: Carry permits present no problem to social order, since the people you have to worry about in the first place aren't the ones obeying the laws that articulate the lawful carry process.
Whats this city coming to when Ronald McDonald has to pack a heater.
"School me, officers!
7/29/2010 08:44:00 AM"
my, aren't you a trusting soul.
you're not from around here, are you?
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i retired 10 years ago and never reregistered any weapons
i can carry legally and not worried about a city ordinance
i do keep foid current
Besides the cost, what do I tell this fucked up mayor when the application ask where and when I received the firearms... Do I put down that I have owned and possessed them for years because I didn't give a shit what he said?
An answer to Dave in Albany Park:
I am a PO and a vast majority of us (from my talking to coworkers) believe that this new gun law will NOT decrease the number of guns in the hands of criminals...not much has proven successful in that arena.
However allowing law abiding citizens to have guns in their homes will definitely increase the safety of those law abiding citizens. (as long as everyone in the household understands the seriousness of owning a gun and having it in the home...ie: MUST teach everyone in the household gun safety)
I think a lot of us believe concealed carry isn't a horrible thing...if thugs think the person they want to rob has a gun on them they are less likely to target them. Gun violence in places where conceal carry is standard is A LOT less than here in Chicago.
Hope this answers your questions.
The hell with having a handgun in the home. I have a 12 ga. Mossberg pump shotgun and that is better than any pistol, especially the distinctive sound of that 00 buckshot being chambered.
No need to aim, just point, it will tear the guts out of any burglar. They won't get a second chance to break into an occupied residence. The light attached underneath is also very handy.
According to yahoo Chicago is one of the top ten cities for "young" people to live. With the cities cons being #1 extreme winter weather and #2 high crime rate. So who needs guns? We need permits for space heaters and blankets. The crime will take care of itself.
I think the honest citizen knows Daley's "scam gun reg." is just a government money grab. Also how can anyone trust the city with personal info. like who has the guns. The crooks that work for the city can easily pass that info. on to their thug friends.
Go see Jack Manfree over at Midwest in Lyons. You should know the man he probably taught a few
OT:
"Oil is worse than carp" well it is when it might ruin the beach at his retirement home. Then again, maybe Michigan should ban him....
No, I Will Not Comply. Period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbNIU2KEz4g&feature=player_embedded
"Besides the cost, what do I tell this fucked up mayor when the application ask where and when I received the firearms... Do I put down that I have owned and possessed them for years because I didn't give a shit what he said?
7/29/2010 04:15:00 PM"
1. you tell them nothing.
2. you use the application to pick up dog shit.
3. you wait until such time as our city and state laws are just as Constitutional as, say, Indiana, Arizona, Texas, etc., that is, no registration, no permits, no licensing, CCW, and/or open carry, and we have an honest mayor, governor, state senate and house of representatives, a majority of honest and competent judges, etc., and then there won't be any of this shit about jumping through bullshit hoops to enjoy a Constitutional Right.
IF A WEAPON IS REGISTERED IN ANOTHER CITY AT A CHEAPER RATE U STILL CANT GET CHARGED IN THIS CITY.
JUST A TIP FROM UR FAVORITE LIQUOR STORE OWNER ON THE WEST SIDE.
Why would we let them know we possess a gun so they can knock on our door and confiscate our guns later ? Not applying..........
I don't mind paying the $100 fee for the permit if everyone has to pay a $100 fee to vote also. I mean constitutional rights are constitutional rights. Right?
No need to aim, just point, it will tear the guts out of any burglar.
7/29/2010 06:42:00 PM
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Hello friend.
Wrong and right.
You're right that if you hit someone at close range with a shotgun, you're going to shred their innards. Unfortunately, you're buying into a bit of Hollywood mythology that there's 'no need to aim' a shotgun.
At home defense ranges, a typical shot pattern opens to no larger than a fist, with the occasional flier. When the adrenaline is pumping, that is not a significant margin of error, as far as your defensive shot goes.
I'd highly suggest all shotgunners look into practicing instinctive point shooting. There are any number of 3 Gun matches or gun clubs where you can practice this on steel poppers, bowling pins or whatever.
Watching some of those high rated 3-Gun competitors in action with a scattergun is a sight to behold; I'd rate any one of them a strong favorite over 3 or 4 armed shithead intruders. Some of these guys can work a pumpgun like a semi-auto. Of course, a lot of those guys burn through thousands of practice rounds per year, too, which explains their freakish proficiency.
I'm sure I am not the only taxpayer who would just as soon wait for the courts to strike down some of the more onerous provisions. Providing more information than you absolutely have to about the number and type of firearms in the home is just stupid - and as we all know, once a part of the law is ruled unconstitutionally excessive, none of the information gathered prior to that will be destroyed, nor will any of the fees be refunded. Most of us have gone this long with our grey/black market home defense weapons, may as well stick it out for a decent law
More and more the good families are moving out of Chicago due to Daley's lack of support for law and order by not funding enough police manpower.
Officer Bailey's Family Moving Out Of Park Manor
Source: CBS
It appears they no longer call it home. Neighbors say the family of murdered police officer Michael Bailey is boarding up and moving out. His killer is still out there. CBS 2's Kristyn Hartman spoke with the Park Manor residents about their growing sense of loss.
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You cant charge for a fundamental right,its illegal.
Mr. McDonald had to get the permit so he can file another lawsuit.This way he can show he had to pay to exercise an individual right.
To Anonymous@7/29/2010 04:59:00 PM:
"Hope this answers your questions."
Thanks for the information, officer. It is definitely food for thought (not that I plan to begin carrying a handgun any time soon.)
Re: Anonymous@7/29/2010 03:36:00 PM
"my, aren't you a trusting soul.
you're not from around here, are you?"
Technically, no. I grew up in "Sopranoville", NJ (an industrial town in Hudson County), moved to Evanston in '86 and into Chicago in 2005 or so. So while not a native Chicagoan, I am not from Mayberry, and 40 is distant in my rearview mirror.
My wife and I love Chicago and plan to stay.
I am not particularly trusting, but I also can't live assuming that everyone is BS-ing me 24/7. I ask questions, try to judge answers thoughtfully and learn from all side.
I freely admit that until fairly recently I have not spent much time THINKING about the police, their role in society and the lives they lead in filling that role. My opinions of the police was mainly formed from TV, movies and the media. I am sure they are simplistic and inaccurate. That I am trying to remedy.
My few actual dealings with law enforcement have been mainly quite positive.
Maybe finally buying a home - feeling like I actually LIVE somewhere again after leaving home at 18 - has set this off in me.
Walter Jacobson here's one for you to look into
CPD isn't short police officers
jfled has to grow a set and assign all the caps police (office clerks)
building security guards at homan square and headquarters , deputy chiefs staff back on the street.
da mayor has 2 police commanders and 30 police officers receiving sergeants pay to protect him
if private security can protect our lifeline OEMC why not the mayors house , homan square and police headquarters
People have always been armed for self preservation. I believe that they will save the use of their unregistrered weapon only for defense against a personal attack and suffer the legal consequences after the fact (alive).
On the other hand they will NOT come to the rescue of a defensless victim because of the liability.
Legal gun ownership, however, will allow for vigilantism and acts of "good samaritan"
Bottom line: give it time. Crime will go down as deaths of perpretrators rise. IT'S ALL RELATIVE! It's all good.
Also nobody mentions the $40 to pay for fingerprint check. Add that to the tab.
This troll wrote it before and I will write it again. I will not allow the crooked government of Richard M. Daley to infringe upon my civil rights. I will disobey this ordinance as I have done for the past 40 years. I have a FOID card and that is as far as I will go. I keep 16 handguns and 5 long guns in my home and will continue to do so. All but ONE are locked up and secure with the ammo locked up and secured elsewhere.(except of course for 3 charged 7 round HK speed loaders.) I do not believe in trigger locks. Gun control is two hands and my safety is my trigger finger. About 1/2 of those guns I inherited from my father and they will have to be pried from my cold dead hands. Especially the gold 6" King Cobra .357 NRA Commerative 1/100 that of course is not a gun for shooting. If I ever have a problem I will seek redress in the Court against Mr. Daley as Mr. McDonald did. I too am a life member of the NRA. I will not live my life according to Daley. After the oil in the water rant the other day which was hilarious, how can anyone take this Daley fool seriously? And if one day you cops come to my door for my guns, show me the warrant and I will show you the guns. But take good care of them. One day a court will order that they are to be returned to me and it will most assuredly not be a corrupt Cook County Court.
I'm all for armed citizens, bur Anon. 06:42:00 PM needs to take his shotgun to a range and run a few loads of 00 buck through it -- at typical in-house distance, there is not much spread. Please don't rely on the sound scaring the bad guy away (lots of 'em heard worse before breakfast); in fact, don't count on having time to shuffle a shell into the empty chamber.
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