Avoidable Nonsense
- Sources say that four Chicago police officers who were stripped of their police powers this week allegedly claimed credit for an arrest they didn’t make.
The four officers are the focus of an internal police investigation and were placed on desk duty on Wednesday. Sources said Friday that the four officers claimed in court that they made an arrest they did not actually make, which could expose them to perjury charges.
Police at a local university are the ones who actually made the arrest, sources said.
Evidently, they've run out of criminals on the south side? And this is going to cost people time? Money? Jobs?
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
97 Comments:
Yep the 3 officers and 1 Sgt screwed up, but to know that a former member of the department did you in really sucks. John Doty you were a piece of shit with CPD and you are a piece of shit with the U of C. This could have been avoided, but I guess we haven't learned our lesson with JFLED in charge.
Hey put me on the paper... NOT
Gotto get those heads and sandbag, how stupid, who really cares and what do you get for it, being the blue jean police. Retired CPD
Baby B. you did it this time.
Yep the 3 officers and 1 Sgt screwed up, but to know that a former member of the department did you in really sucks. John Doty you were a piece of shit with CPD and you are a piece of shit with the U of C. This could have been avoided, but I guess we haven't learned our lesson with JFLED in charge.
10/30/2010 12:54:00 AM
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So you are putting it on the U of C cop? So you expect HIM to go into court and out-and-out lie, is that it?
don't forget per the new contract Jody can suspend you for 365 days w/o ever going before the police board !
HURRAY UNION!
AND ONCE AGAIN HARD CHARGERS GET SCREWED!
HARD TO BELIEVE 4 PEOPLE DID THE PAPER AND TESTIFIED!
1 OF THE 4 NEEDS TO FALL ON THE SWORD!
AND ANYONE MAKING ARREST BY THE UNIVERSITY SHOULD BE HUNG FOR STUPIDITY!!
AND THE SGT! SAD REALLY ALL HE IS GONNA SAY IS HE DIDNT KNOW AND GET OFF... LAY ODDS.
Looks like the U of C won't be getting much help from 003 or 021 in the future.
Watch out around those guys.
You had to know that this was going to happen, sooner or later. As I recall something like this occured a few years ago when one of the officers on the paper was subpeoned to court and she refused to testify to what was in the case report. The states attorney obtained a CR on all of the officers. The female officer who refused to testify was the one who was fucked in the end as the others stood their ground and stated the report was accurate. Times have changed. Do not be too creative on your reports.
Strong Rumor:
DOZENS more from assorted tact, gang and area teams & units to be stripped in the coming weeks for similar shit citywide. Investigation has been in the works for nearly two years now (Kinda corresponds with the arrival of a certain former-Fed Supernintendo).
Of particular interest is the involvement of the States Attorney's office utilizing various ASA's who "befriended" coppers while prepping them for trials. "OK, Officer _ _ _ _ _ , what exactly did you see and which partner recovered the dope"? Affiants and "John Does" on S/W's VERY closely scrutinized for certain Area Teams thanks to a certain Area Guy that used his gay lover as his source on more than a few occasions. Expect a "Franks Motion" or three to come into play, also, folks.
All you knuckleheads that parachuted onto that almighty gun or dope pinch to boslter your numbers to stay in your jeans and camoflage had better start worrying.
"Tip of the iceberg" is one way to describe the rumblings by those in the know at 26 & California.
Again, just a strong rumor at this junction, but there's a bit of truth in most.
I'm soooooo glad that I listened to the "dogass oldtimers" when I did. I'll never doubt the wisdom of the salty stars and bars again.
Doty was a LT. in 15 in the early 2000s. He was arrogant asshole then and it appears he still is.
How about U of C handles all their shit, like UIC police, Metra police AMTAK police etc... if any CPD officer helps them out now, shame on you.
This is so stupid. If the offender was detained by u of c then just say it. Its just like the stupid shoplifting and trespassing arrest, we make. Now 4 people are facing perjury charges and 30/P, just to add one more to the numbers. Do we not know numbers don't mean shit, for an induvidual police officer. The sgt. is a good guy. Lets not forget how Doty was a sgt., in the academy and you would have thought he was iad then.
John Doty is something else! When he was the Commander in 006 my partner and I were on a traffic stop. He rolled up to the stop and watched us as we conduct business without exiting his car.
After we got done he had the balls to criticize my partner for having a clip knife in his vest pocket partially exposed.
All that while seated comfortably behind the wheel of his car.
Tac Teams have been stealing arrests forever and in the current climate they should know better!
Capt. America!!
Did Channel 2 "steal" this news tidbit from somewhere else? I not sayin', but I'm just sayin'...
F@ck the U of C. I avoid their department like the plague.
Yes Doty is an Ass! But don't throw blame his way for this one. Blame the Officers and Sergeant.
They LIED!!! Period!
They fucked up now they have to pay the price.
How about blaming the Sergeant who is suppose to protect these officers from themselves.
There are much better fights out there than this one. This is not the hill I would choose to die on.
doty was second generation cpd and more was expected of him, but he was a lazy, conniving pos, even as a ppo. he went on from there and turned back-stabbing into an art form.
get your shit straight ! write it as it happened. how fucken stupid can you be ? your reading SECOND CITY COP, how many post have you read telling you about coppers getting stripped ? HOW MANY OTHER COPPERS HAVE TO TELL YOU JUST GET YOUR EVENT # ? What the fuck is wrong with you ?
it used to be that police officers got stripped if they were robbing banks on their day off or shooting their neighbors---- now you get stripped for everything---- what is the message the department is trying to convey--- is it a message to knock off the shenanigans or is it merely a response to increased media scrutiny--- the police department will sacrifice you in a minute if it will project them in a positive light to the media---- the police department will give you 30 pending separation and then blame the police board for putting you back on the job.... anyone who puts their hands on anyone unless you absolutely have to is nuts---- you better have a back up plan in place to take care of your family because it is not "if" but "when"....
No surprise if you knew the people involved. Mr., I am better than you at everything, D.B.! There are many people glad to see that asshole go down. They need to look at all of his his previous BS cases. Living up to his nickname, Felony DB!
Where did it say Doty turned them over? I am not a fan of him but if you are going to name names then be sure you know for certain. If not you are just as bad as J-fled. If you are so sure it was Doty then tell the whole story, who did he tell? how do you know? name all the names. You can't because you don't know, but we do know you dont like Doty. Most likely you lost your part time gig at the U because you were just sleeping and getting a check. If it is true then he was looking out for his officers like he is supposed to do, so I guess you think he is a jag for that as well.
Doty just go away. Go to other another City, planet or even hell just go away.
But having the most CB's, guns recovered and Honarable Mentions will help me when I take a promotional exam or want to get into a Unit....right???
Doty is useless. Always has been
OT ~ Nice job by law enforcement on grabbing the guy who murdered and burned the body of the freshman art student at NIU.
Hopefully, this guy's throat and anal cavity will be a constant receptacle of love penises in prison for all his remaining days on this planet!
Karma's a bitch, ain't it ?
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Watch them get indicted and maybe more,PLEASE BOYS AND GIRLS PUT ON YOUR THINKING CAPS, REMOVE DUNCE CAPS THINK FIRST! HEY BOSS LET ME SHOW YOU THIS GREAT PINCH,ATTA BOY GREAT SEE YOU AT THE FUNDRAISER IF EVERYTHING IS NOT 110% CORRECT! Coppers say all the time "it will never happen to me," please be careful 28 year vet CPD Kma!
how did john doty screw them
they falsified the police report
tact men can't find a gun in 3
find a new career
making license plates
Whats the UCR for Theft by Tact?
So some security guards find a gun...call the Police. Police take the arrest from the security guards and make it their own. That shit has been happening between p.o's and Det's forever "ya got nothin kid". Pretty dumb of them though to risk everything for the credit.
And don't give me the whole they are the "Police" crap...if they were the Police then they could do their own arrest.
It's not 1981 anymore.
Cameras are everywhere and gps is on your car. Wearing blue jeans to work just isn't worth it.
Grow up, it's just a job.
Wow. Be very careful my friends. Nobody is safe.
"Gee, I wonder if this ever happened before"? (sarc off)
Again prooving most( I said most not all) Tac guys haven't changed in over 40 years.
Detectives do it all the time.
The University of Chicago Police have Police Powers, and should be making their own fucking arrest and paperwork. I called this one years ago. About time some PO get FOP involved. Years ago, some smart officers who were FORCED to do U of C Transport, Case Report and arrests have written somewhere in the case report and arrest report that they had absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of arrest and that doing this arrest as a courtesy. Unfortunately, former 021st District Commanders and Watch Commanders, and Sergeants have FORCED officers to complete transports, and arrest reports for this weak ass university police Dept who hide crime from its students, community and CPD. Majority of the Part-time U of C Officers are some of the worst Chicago Police and Detectives on CPD who couldn't catch a cold, lead a pack of wolves to meat,don't do shit on the job, and along with the U of C police are there to play the police, and hinder any and all police related jobs, and investigation involving CPD. Some officers called this one; knew this would happen. DAMN SHAME!
Wow-even paper jumping has gone bad.
What a fucken jagoff this Doty is! Ok the coppers shouldn't have taken the credit for the pinch, you call these guys in. You tell them they are jagoff's for taking the pinch, you scream and yell at them, don't do it again, go and sin no more! You don't contact those pieces of shit IAD guys, now these guys are not just looking at time, or losing their jobs. These guys are looking at doing time in the pen, false reports, official misconduct, perjury, and with this fuck Jfled he is going to bury these guys, you might have been able to get away with this shit, years ago, but not now. These guys are trully fucked!!!!!
Fun Facts about John Doty
Commander of 006 Appt:
Recommended By Chuck Ramsey
Friend(s) he hasn't f**ked over or back stabbed...yet
Meritorious Milt
Latest Accomplishment:
Ratting out 003 District tact sgt/po's to IAD when a call to the tact lt or DC would have sufficed
Districts he's ruined as DC
006 and 021
Career cut short when:
Forced to resign as 2100 or 1590 by Weis and co
How he got current U of C job
recommended by Rudy Nimocks who was Doty's father's old partner
Attention :UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO CAMPUS CAMPUS PRESIDENT, VICE PRESIDENT AND ADMINISTATORS
John Doty, one of the current Deputy Chiefs of your Police Department is about to cost you millions of dollars in legal fees and judgements, and he's going to irreparably smear the reputation of your campus and your police department. He is volatile, arrogant, mean, condescending, abusive, and demeaning. He ruined the 006 district: if fact one of his own appointments has been stripped for egregious misconducts that took place under his direct supervision and administration.
When your police personnel get the gumption to file EEOC and hostile work environments complaints and lawsuits against Doty, approximately 200 CPD officers, including command staff past and present will be ready willing and able to testify in support of the aggrieved UCPD employees. One would think a world class university would have had resources and foresight to exercise due diligence when screening a candidate for the position Doty currently holds.
try this one out
DONT LIE
you stupid asshats
Doty is a major Jagoff!!!
Ah, yes, another I got to get credit for this arrest so I will fabricate it just to make myself and my parnters look like we actually did something. Stupid patrolmen, tricks are for kids....
It wasn't really Doty, it was the piece of shit Owens that Doty brought over from 021 when he took charge of the UofC police force. Besides it's mere tact team stuff of putting the whole team on the paper, and they did not make a claim as to being there, in other words they have not committed perjury. A slap on the wrisp at best. But I think the boys and girls in 003 are going to think long and hard about assisting the college cops anytime soon.
"...Yep the 3 officers and 1 Sgt screwed up, but to know that a former member of the department did you in really sucks. John Doty you were a piece of shit with CPD and you are a piece of shit with the U of C. This could have been avoided, but I guess we haven't learned our lesson with JFLED in charge..."
Sorry, but as much as I support those who bust their asses to help the general citizenry, I have to question this statement & others I've heard like it...
Cops want the community to quit honoring the BS "Code of Silence" in the hood, so shouldn't the same hold true for cops or anyone else?
You can't have it one way when it suits you, then the other when it offends you....
I can see the witch-hunts going on, and some of it is pure posturing by a failed political puppet (J-Fled). However, I have seen a lot of abuse/lies/theft by those of you who are supposed to be fighting that over the past 40+ years. Do I feel for a cop who screws over someone else to get ahead, then gets busted by an ex-cop, who probably was extremely PO'd to be dissed by his former "brethren" on a good bust? Not a bit.
You want my respect, earn it.
I respect you men/women who take wearing that badge to heart, who take the crap your superiors throw at you & still find a way to get the job done without becoming that which you claim to fight....
Be safe out there, and as always, thanks.
Wait until next week. More to be stripped unrelated to this case.
I hope being that hard charging, parachute paper jumping, tactical officer pays off. P.S. I bet your Sgt. sells you out in the end.
Oh for Christ sakes, how many times have we all made a pinch that had so many tach guys jumping on the paper that there was no room for the arrestees name? Big fucking deal
When does it end. Making us all look bad in the publics eye.
John Doty has been screwing officers and white shirts his entire career. He is a POS and should NEVER been hired by U of C. Time and time again I put officers in for various awards and he would kick them back--saying thats there normal job---Sure Doty, its normal for POS to hold up people at gunpoint, flee from the scene and then outstanding officers to chase them down, for blocks and catch the armed offender, risking their lives. But thats not even worthy of an Honorable Mention according to Doty. I can't tell you on how many occasions this happened! What a piece of garbage! Now, tell me why moral is low! Be safe out there boys and girls in blue!
This is why you don't kiss on an arrest. This is the reason. Also, the last two who got stripped and then reinstated were merely adhering to the age old practice of putting the entire team down on the paper. We have all seen that, standard operating procedure.
I never wanted to go on someone else's arrest because I don't want the grief lawsuit etc. that can go with it. Witness recent events.
Wise up, it isn't 1976 any more.
I had worked 22 years as a part time P.O. for U of C. This is not a sour grape statement, yes 95% of part-timers were let go because the new director wanted a full time department which was ok by me, I had a great run. But the mind set of the new full timers is that they are better than CPD and do more work than CPD. They are not qualified to handle the shit that we as CPD officers have to do. They get involved with situtation that should only be handled by us and Instigate the problem and than Cpd has to solve the problem and they walk away leaving us holding the bag. CR number yes Cpd get them because the person involved only know it was a police officer does not know it was the University police. So before you jump in to help the University police please understand what might happen to you, they are not your friends. They all want to be the real police and are stuck just having a special police power for a private university. I speak from experience and I will not give my name but there are some great guy there that I have worked with who are very good officers and don't deserve to be classified with the new hired dogs. I would not want them to think ill of me, for they will be forever my friends. My final line is yes they are a very racial department and do not like white police officers and if someone wants to dispute this statement just look at there roster and racial make up and supervisor's.
Morons, plain and simple. If U of C made the pinch and then handed it over to you why not write it that way?? You still get credit for the arrest when they give it to you and get the court time. Morons.
Remember this when the U of C police call for an assist. They have to use our facilities, so let them wait. And if you happen to see John Doty or any U of C people breaking traffic laws or any other laws, make sure to take police actions. I know I will.
bullshit !! .. they screwed themselves .. write it the way it is .. plain and simple .. why lie??
Looks like the U of C won't be getting much help from 003 or 021 in the future.
Watch out around those guys.
10/30/2010 08:09:00 AM
why becasue the tact officers stepped in their own shit??
Looks like the U of C won't be getting much help from 003 or 021 in the future.
Watch out around those guys.
10/30/2010 08:09:00 AM
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When Doty was the DC of 021, his tact teams used to steal arrests
from U of C all of the time.
In fact when he was a po assigned to tact in 021 in the 80's his team used to steal UCPD arrests then as well.
meritorious Milt his current Deputy Chief was his partner
Did he rat them out to IAD? No he did not.
DOZENS more from assorted tact, gang and area teams & units to be stripped in the coming weeks for similar shit citywide. Investigation has been in the works for nearly two years now (Kinda corresponds with the arrival of a certain former-Fed Supernintendo).
yawwwwnnnnnnnn... ya, ok idiot. This is nowhere even close to being true. Do you want to know why? Ok ill explain why everything you said is nonsense. So this "investigation" has been going on for 2 years you say? right there you are caught in a lie. If an officer is caught doing something illegal like you state the MUST be taken off the street right away.. meaning if the city/states attorney knows that this is happening they cant allow them to continue to work and arrest people. If they are arresting people after the allegation(2 years according to you) and they are continuing to do this then the states attorney and city are opening themselves up to huge civil liabilities. lets say the city and state knew two years ago an officer was not right and doing shady things but then they let him continue to do these things then every single person that officer arrested after the inital bad case opens everyone up to lawsuits and even criminal liabilities. if that officer arrested 200 people during this investigation then all 200 can sue the city and state(yes the state, because they knew what was going on and allowed the officer to continue).. it would never happen anywhere.. this one happened on 11 october and they are already in call back for that very reason. the el caballo bar and sos were all stripped one week after the state found out that it was bogus. you really need to get your head out of your ass and stop creating false conspiracy theories. signed, someone in the know.
these tact guys are beyond stupid.all this because they wanted the glory for an arrest???if you wanted to do this the right way,bring it to the 3rd district,bring the uc cops and all witnesses and call the detectives at area 2..you can still process the arrest and add the university of chicago guys and even if charges do not get approved everyone gets overtime and paid..if charges are approved everyone gets court.sounds win win to me..we are our own worse enemy at times.
Anonymous said...
You had to know that this was going to happen, sooner or later. As I recall something like this occured a few years ago when one of the officers on the paper was subpeoned to court and she refused to testify to what was in the case report. The states attorney obtained a CR on all of the officers. The female officer who refused to testify was the one who was fucked in the end as the others stood their ground and stated the report was accurate. Times have changed. Do not be too creative on your reports.
10/30/2010 08:11:00 AM
So you are saying that the female didn't want to testify, the rest stood by what was written, and the defendant kept his trap shut? Something sounds funny with this story.
Blame Doty?
Blame UC Police?
Never help the UC Police again?
How about taking responsibility for your own action and doing the right thing? These officers are idiots period. Nobody told them to write a false report yet some look to blame others.
These Officers took an oath and got caught. Fire them and move along. There will always be stupid people on this job and these 4 prove it.
Did they really think they could get away with this? Again stupid people.
My bad, blame Doty.
U of C always backed my partner and I up when we were in the area... can't blame them for our own stupidity.
We're the ones who should know better, risking your job for a lousy pinch? What's so good about working Tact in 003 anymore that's worth this?
Don't fault the U of C, and the CPD officers involved will get "beaten up" enough before this is all said and done.
Watch your backs boys and girls, cause J-Fled and his crew sure ain't!
- A new retiree (Thank God!)-
10/30/2010 08:12:00 AM
Gonna Get Ugly...
If there's a nugget of truth to this, it's gonna get WAY beyond ugly.
All the bosses over the years who pushed and are still pushing for "numbers" are going to run away, hide and disavow any role they had in the almighty push for heads, recovered dope and recovered guns.
All the accompanying silliness of parachuting, bogarting, sandbagging, putting people on paper and they're rdo and doing an "intercept" to X "the wrong people" who were originally on the paper off of it seems to have come to seriously bite the avid practicioners of this all up in their asses... Hard.
All of this soon coming grief just because of pressure to stay in painter's pants, a backward cubs cap & black hoody with a kick-ass fu-manchu mustache.
A lot of people who played fast and loose are going to have the shits like a Christmas goose.
The boss-holes who knew and encouraged this foolishness will be saying "Who are you? I don't know you."
The old salty dogs were way ahead of the curve in their philosophy of "get in, sit down, keep your yap shut, (for at least fifteen years) keep your eyes open always, pay the fuck attention to where you are, watch these muthafuckahs hands and eyes and put your time in.
And while we're at it... There IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PUTTING IN TIME!
Minimum of 10 years for tact.
10 years to be a Dic.
20 years to be a Sergeant with a minimum of 10 years in Patrol.
25 years to be a Lieutenant and above. Minimum of 15 years in Patrol.
A big part of the problem is green, unseasoned and untested supervision. Too many people on clout scholarships too secure in the knowledge that they have the inside track.
Making EVERYBODY put in the above time will make a lot of nonsense related to clout/taking care of protected people/turning a blind eye to shenanigans by bosses because "these are my guys" go away.(Until someone steps in it badly enough and tracks it into the unit/station)
If you don't like it, go somewhere else and get clout welfare. There's enough rotteness influencing the job.
It's a shame really because this could have been nipped in the bud and addressed another way. It's actually painful to think that a lot of people could get hurt behind this but it's j-fled the coward's way. Hurt and punish as many people as you can because they never accepted having you as a leader.
Just take your souvenir CPD leather (cut the patches off bitch, you ain't the Police anyway) and ride your harley off into the sunset... on a winding road... with your cats... To whatever happily ever after your karma dictates you have coming.
sgt. b does it again.
This isn't about U of C its about CPD. Come on people you keep lying to get your numbers and give credit to your "team" who wasn't even on scene so that you look good. This is how the two officers got stripped... they were put on the paper and they were not there!!!! Do you see a problem? In this case, outside agency makes the pinch and CPD LIES!!!! Do you see a problem?
Remember there is a radio and it's all monitored so when you put someone down for a transport that didn't do the transport or when you put someone on as assisting and they were somewhere else, when you take credit for someone else's arrest and make it your own, YOU ARE FALSIFYING a report. You will lose your job!!! Is it worth it???
just drive around and do nothing hell most of the policeofficers are makeing 80 grand stop all work and make sure you and your family vote 02 nov 10 vote vote vote the real police
It wasn't really Doty, it was the piece of shit Owens that Doty brought over from 021 when he took charge of the UofC police force. Besides it's mere tact team stuff of putting the whole team on the paper, and they did not make a claim as to being there, in other words they have not committed perjury. A slap on the wrisp at best. But I think the boys and girls in 003 are going to think long and hard about assisting the college cops anytime soon.
READ THE ARREST IDIOT! Slap on the wrist? Officers will be locked up you dummy. These officers said they DID the arrest and ignored UC. Unfortunate.
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Detectives do it all the time.
Umm...no we don't
Looks like the U of C won't be getting much help from 003 or 021 in the future.
Watch out around those guys.
10/30/2010 08:09:00 AM
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When Doty was the DC of 021, his tact teams used to steal arrests
from U of C all of the time.
In fact when he was a po assigned to tact in 021 in the 80's his team used to steal UCPD arrests then as well.
meritorious Milt his current Deputy Chief was his partner
Did he rat them out to IAD? No he did not.
10/30/2010 05:19:00 PM
Ok slick, tact teams in 021 didn't do squat before Doty came to 021. What were they getting one head every two weeks per team?? When he got there he brought a crew that knew how to work and get their own arrest. Let me guess, you got to work the watch. STFU
So some security guards find a gun...call the Police. Police take the arrest from the security guards and make it their own. That shit has been happening between p.o's and Det's forever "ya got nothin kid". Pretty dumb of them though to risk everything for the credit.
And don't give me the whole they are the "Police" crap...if they were the Police then they could do their own arrest.
10/30/2010 12:03:00 PM
ooooooh wow, what a dumb ass
Anonymous said...
DOZENS more from assorted tact, gang and area teams & units to be stripped in the coming weeks for similar shit citywide. Investigation has been in the works for nearly two years now (Kinda corresponds with the arrival of a certain former-Fed Supernintendo).
So you're saying just about every plainclothes unit in the city is going to be strpped and indicted huh?
I call bullshit on this one.
Its too bad so many uniformed officers hat tact gangs or any other civilian dressed officers.
When I worked tact I had a blast, lots of fun
Now I'm back on the watch by choice.
I don't begrudge anyone who likes to work whatever assignment they work
its lazy assed hating dogass mutts that irk me!
As a Tact officer what I have to say is...U got the arrest in the book right? U got the CB? U got credit for the gun turn in? Why BS????? U SCREWED UP
Blame Doty?
Blame UC Police?
Never help the UC Police again?
How about taking responsibility for your own action and doing the right thing? These officers are idiots period. Nobody told them to write a false report yet some look to blame others.
These Officers took an oath and got caught. Fire them and move along. There will always be stupid people on this job and these 4 prove it.
Did they really think they could get away with this? Again stupid people.
My bad, blame Doty.
Sincerely
Got Milky Magic Moustache Meritorious Milty
and by the way, speaking of stupid, you U of C morons were the ones that hired Doty and Owens and gave them huge promotions and raises not CPD
CPD may be dumb but we ain't that dumb.
Say whay you want about that loser JFLED but he made the right call in forcing Doty out!
I feel sorry for my department. What IAD is saying we are doing so wrong!!! They have been doing the samething. Even though they are in IAD they have lied and will lie on paper to get their head. It's not black and white but shades of grey. The real problem is the clouted and non-clouted on this job. 011 dist clouted crew was out of controlfor so long how they got away with some of shit they pulled is mind numbing. Yes shades of grey is one thing and then there is well you get the picture.
The Sgt has always been a loud mouthed idiot. He and his team have been headed for indictment since that Sgt formed the team. If one guy gets 40 plus guns a year on "turn-ins", what does that tell you? Tact guys know what's happening. Shame on the Tact LTs in 003 that knew what was going on with that team and looked the other way because of numbers or friendship. The Sgt is going to throw everyone under the bus if he can. That's his style. The Officers chose the wrong path years ago. Who's worse, the fool or the fool that follows?
is sgt still missing in action at callback
Ok slick, tact teams in 021 didn't do squat before Doty came to 021. What were they getting one head every two weeks per team?? When he got there he brought a crew that knew how to work and get their own arrest. Let me guess, you got to work the watch. STFU
Ok "slick ": news flash.
Before Doty got there the 021st district tact team was at the bottom of the productivity food chain:
while Doty was there the 021st district tact team was at the bottom of the productivity food chain:
When Doty got punked and forced out by Brust and JFLED the 021st district tact team was at ...you guessed it...at the bottom of the food chain activity wise...
Now that your man hero Doty is at the U of C destroying that police department, do you know where the 021 district tact team is?
At the bottom of the food chain.
021st district is an annoying useless unnecessary district that does'nt need to exist. It's a waste of manpower that's better utilized elsewhere.
And junior? Hyde Park and Kenwood ain't what you call a high crime assignment.Your claim that Doty brought a "crew" to "work" in 021 is laughable.
Now got strap on that M4 and 380 and hit the mean streets of Hyde Park, slick. Mello Yello don't police itself.
CPD LIES!!!! Do you see a problem?
Remember there is a radio and it's all monitored so when you put someone down for a transport that didn't do the transport or when you put someone on as assisting and they were somewhere else, when you take credit for someone else's arrest and make it your own, YOU ARE FALSIFYING a report. You will lose your job!!! Is it worth it???
Yeah but sometimes when you lie and falsify reports you get a new job and promotion...like Doty and meritorious milt!
The University of Chicago Police have Police Powers, and should be making their own fucking arrest and paperwork. I called this one years ago. About time some PO get FOP involved. Years ago, some smart officers who were FORCED to do U of C Transport, Case Report and arrests have written somewhere in the case report and arrest report that they had absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of arrest and that doing this arrest as a courtesy. Unfortunately, former 021st District Commanders and Watch Commanders, and Sergeants have FORCED officers to complete transports, and arrest reports for this weak ass university police Dept who hide crime from its students, community and CPD. Majority of the Part-time U of C Officers are some of the worst Chicago Police and Detectives on CPD who couldn't catch a cold, lead a pack of wolves to meat,don't do shit on the job, and along with the U of C police are there to play the police, and hinder any and all police related jobs, and investigation involving CPD. Some officers called this one; knew this would happen. DAMN SHAME!
You my friend are a know nothing Asshat !
I'm sure that I have been a detective longer than the idiot that said "detectives do it all the time" has been on the job. I can truthfully say I or whoever I worked with never did it. Give credit where credit is due. As a detective I clear the case I don't care who makes the arrest. Even if it was the 'hero' that made that statement.
10/30/2010 08:55:00 PM
and many others with a similar theme:
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Speaking as a police supervisor from another agency, I would have to lay the blame for this on the upper echelon of CPD.
Putting such emphasis on silly numbers so as to make this kind of behavior common is bad supervision and bad policy.
Nothing new. I had a foot chase and got a guy with a gun a few years back and tact was nowhere to be found. I was on the tracks. I called for an assist to lift the guy over a fence and to transport. Tact showed up and helped me lift the guy over the fence. I did my own transport in my cage car. When we got back to the station I had the arrest taken away from me by the tact team and I went on paper as assisting and the tact team went on and testified, go the award and all. I was told by the watch commander that they wanted "charges to stick" so they let the tact team take the arrest. I always wondered how they testified to an arrest they never made and weren't on scene until after the fact.
People need to know the whole story before attacking U of C. They screwed themselves and were wrong. End of story.
I can't help but agree with the majority of the lucid, sensible comments put forth here. I also think these guys stepped in a royal, steaming heap of shit because of greed...has to be greed because this ain't the latest U of C graduating class. The problem I have with the U of C PD is that they love to get involved in things they have no business getting involved in. A 003 Dist. ten sector typical ghetto domestic, with no one having any ties to the U of C is not their business. As someone previously posted, they get involved, and once they screw the pooch to no end, they leave us holding the bag, with an even bigger problem. I know the extra presence is nice to make it look like we have more PO-PO in 003 than we really do, and the same goes for 021, but I have dealt with them in their different entities and make-ups for the last 25 years, so I feel like somewhat of an authority on this matter. There are a lot of good guys there who are still the police, but I have seen more and more of these new people trying to impress the real police with their antics. There isn't enough room out there for their antics and mine, so mine get to stay.
Ok "slick ": news flash.
Before Doty got there the 021st district tact team was at the bottom of the productivity food chain:
while Doty was there the 021st district tact team was at the bottom of the productivity food chain:
When Doty got punked and forced out by Brust and JFLED the 021st district tact team was at ...you guessed it...at the bottom of the food chain activity wise...
Now that your man hero Doty is at the U of C destroying that police department, do you know where the 021 district tact team is?
At the bottom of the food chain.
021st district is an annoying useless unnecessary district that does'nt need to exist. It's a waste of manpower that's better utilized elsewhere.
And junior? Hyde Park and Kenwood ain't what you call a high crime assignment.Your claim that Doty brought a "crew" to "work" in 021 is laughable.
Now got strap on that M4 and 380 and hit the mean streets of Hyde Park, slick. Mello Yello don't police itself.
10/31/2010 09:37:00 AM
you my friend know nothing, before Doty got there the Tact Team did not do a single search warrant in 2 years they did 10 the first year under Doty. Not great but like you said it is 021 some of them were in 007 and 002 as well. Also Milt was not the only sergeant there, there are two great sergeants there on tact and the third just made Lt and is in 009, ( on his own , not merit). 021 may not be needed but not because of the tact officers there, Commanders come and go but there are some fine officers working there on tact and the watch, and they are not at the bottom of the food chain but not the top either. Everyone says the officers have nothing to do with the lack of crime in 021 but that is bull shit, The tact team is on the bangers every day and night thats why all the shooting is across cottage in 002 or across 61st in 003. But no you would say that it's magic the mopes know thats 021 and supposed to be slow so they cross the street. Why don't you come over here and show us how it's done hero otherwise shut up. "Prairie dog for Life" By the way worked high crime areas before bin there Done That, I deserve a break. would I go on tact in 021 not a chance but I have been around they are just as good as any other tact unit most came from 006, 007 002 and even 025
you my friend know nothing, before Doty got there the Tact Team did not do a single search warrant in 2 years they did 10 the first year under Doty. Not great but like you said it is 021 some of them were in 007 and 002 as well. Also Milt was not the only sergeant there, there are two great sergeants there on tact and the third just made Lt and is in 009, ( on his own , not merit). 021 may not be needed but not because of the tact officers there, Commanders come and go but there are some fine officers working there on tact and the watch, and they are not at the bottom of the food chain but not the top either. Everyone says the officers have nothing to do with the lack of crime in 021 but that is bull shit, The tact team is on the bangers every day and night thats why all the shooting is across cottage in 002 or across 61st in 003. But no you would say that it's magic the mopes know thats 021 and supposed to be slow so they cross the street. Why don't you come over here and show us how it's done hero otherwise shut up. "Prairie dog for Life" By the way worked high crime areas before bin there Done That, I deserve a break. would I go on tact in 021 not a chance but I have been around they are just as good as any other tact unit most came from 006, 007 002 and even 025
10/31/2010 07:53:00 PM
Lil fella that entire post wasn't anything but self delusional chest puffing.021 tact is as good as 006 007, boy please.
You really took a long hard swallow of the Doty kool aide didn't you?
FYI I briefly worked in 021 back in the 80's when 2822 S Calumet and the other project buildings were up, and it wasn't even that busy so take your " I work in the mean streets of Hyde Park ass back into your little toxic pit of a cancer cluster station, and put in a par form to go to anyone of those districts you named. Do you even know where the 2822 building was?
What's that I hear? The sound of crickets chirping ? Some part of your anatomy squeezing shut?
Thought so.
When Doty was the DC of 021, his tact teams used to steal arrests
from U of C all of the time.
In fact when he was a po assigned to tact in 021 in the 80's his team used to steal UCPD arrests then as well.
meritorious Milt his current Deputy Chief was his partner
Did he rat them out to IAD? No he did not.
10/30/2010 05:19:00 PM
How do you steal an arrest? When they call you and give it to you because they need you to process it and all the dogs on the watch want nothing to do with it even if it is their job. so tact does it because let's face it they need the heads, so that is stealing?
If I'm not mistaken, U of C is a PRIVATE university. State law forbids "private" law enforcement agencies. The only universities that are allowed to have Police Departments are STATE Universities. Any other college or university must have "SECURITY". I recall some agreement that was made with "King Richie" years ago to allow them to patrol Chicago streets.
Hey MEDIA, you want a story? Here's one handed to you.
Some of you guys are your own worst enemies, as I've said before. I read these dumb ass comments in the news bashing Chicago cops and wonder how people can feel that way, and then I read some of the comments on here and can see why. DON'T LIE! You're the police! Some of you are on here basically saying thats ok then you wonder why citizens hate you and don't treat you like professionals. WTF
The Sgt said we'd get an honorable mention or maybe a department comendation.
The Sgt here is dumb, he could have retired back in March.
So some security guards find a gun...call the Police. Police take the arrest from the security guards and make it their own. That shit has been happening between p.o's and Det's forever "ya got nothin kid". Pretty dumb of them though to risk everything for the credit.
And don't give me the whole they are the "Police" crap...if they were the Police then they could do their own arrest.
In case you didn't know their name is University of Chicago POLICE retard not u of c SECURITY.They graduated the same place you did. how simple minded are you.If they could process their own arrests they would.Every dept has some idiots on it especially ours. That sgt used to work for them. im sure the entire dept didnt want him to go down especially. get the story straight first. we all want to know
If I'm not mistaken, U of C is a PRIVATE university. State law forbids "private" law enforcement agencies. The only universities that are allowed to have Police Departments are STATE Universities. Any other college or university must have "SECURITY". to allow them to patrol Chicago streets.
****you really are stupid, I can imagine how you probably mix your ucr codes up on a report. ask your sgt for a law update nimrod Nrth westrn and uofc have county powers along with state. did you miss that new LAW that went into effect
How do you steal an arrest? When they call you and give it to you because they need you to process it and all the dogs on the watch want nothing to do with it even if it is their job. so tact does it because let's face it they need the heads, so that is stealing
You steal an arrest when another officer makes the arrest and you take that arrest without giving the officer credit for making the arrest. If you did police work you'd know.
Blame NOBle. They created the sgt.
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