Eliminate Middle Management
Here's a good idea....finally:
- With the departing of Roberto Zavala there are rumors that many if not all Deputy Chief positions will be eliminated!! The Commanders will report directly to Eugene Williams in the very near future. Buckle your seat belts the road is getting very bumpy for all gold stars.
Coming soon:
Here's something thats not a rumor, Each Patrol Area on 2nd watch will have One Captain that approves all arrest reports for the area, and TRR's etc... while the Lt's will become Watch Coordinators to handle roll call and A and A's thus having to pay only 6 Captains WC pay during 2nd Watch. Be careful what all you people calling for downsizing ask for.
This would make sense seeing as how the Area Teams have been trimmed back. Word is the remaining teams will be stripped from the Deputy Chiefs' control by January of next year.
We had beers with an L.A. copper years ago and he commented on Chicago being awfully top-heavy in the middle manager area. If we recall, L.A. districts are run by captains, commanders run areas and the individual watches are run by lieutenants. We also remember hearing writing that J-Fled appeared to be taking his early cues from the Booz-Allen report of yesteryear. Has he finally dusted off his copy and is trying to look like a reformer again?
We had beers with an L.A. copper years ago and he commented on Chicago being awfully top-heavy in the middle manager area. If we recall, L.A. districts are run by captains, commanders run areas and the individual watches are run by lieutenants. We also remember hearing writing that J-Fled appeared to be taking his early cues from the Booz-Allen report of yesteryear. Has he finally dusted off his copy and is trying to look like a reformer again?
Labels: department issues, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
136 Comments:
YES ! ! ! !
The gold braid pensions ARE KILLING OUR PENSIONS and the taxpayers ! ! ! ! !
FOR GODS SAKE - DO IT NOW... PLEASE ! ! ! ! ! !
1 Sgt and two po's just hurt in an accident during a chase in 009, 47th and Sheilds and 47th and Halsted. Details to follow.
Please get rid of the 3rd watch Captain in 016. Won't let P.O'S take time due for family emergency. Worst boss ever........clueless.
Oh no!! Say it ain't so! All these people that I don't deal with on a daily basis, gone? Whatever will we do?....who cares!!
The Booz Allen report of 1992 was a scathing review of the department at the time & found most of our shortcomings had to due w/inept management& woeful training. It praised the Patrol Officers who were able to perform their jobs remarkably in spite of incompetent managers,training & support. Shortshanks didnt like the findings & shitcanned the recommendations. Surprise,Surprise....
Happy Sweetest Day !! Giggitty Giggitty !!
Where is Zavala going?
wha happened to roberto zavala? where did he go? he 1 haevy mofo? da pr community will not like dis!
OT:
I've been on the job for close to 10 years now and i have to say that this job has turned out SO different than what i thought it would be and even so much different from when i started.
Today's CPD is all about saving your ass/self preservation. I took the job so i could honestly help people and try to get some of these animals off our streets that me, my family and fellow chicagoans have to walk everyday. I also loved the idea of being outside and the freedom of not being stuck inside some stationary office building and further couped up in some cubicle. That just was not me. But, and i can't believe i'm saying this, i would actually take an inside job right now away from dealing with the public b/c i'm so scared that any call, any hand waiver, any street stop could turn ugly and me end up getting sued or fired over.
There is absolutely no room for error any more on the street. You can not lose your cool any more or you WILL lose your job. You can not have normal human emotions and act upon any of them or you will lose your job. It's as if everyone expects all of us to be human robots and get kicked, punched, shot at, spit on, beer bottles thrown at us and we're just supposed to smile and take it. I just don't believe that is what a police officer is supposed to be all about. I also believe that the public WANTS police officers that kick some ass when someone is acting really out of line.
There has to be some amount of forgiveness for us losing our cool once in a while. As long as the officer is really provoked, the offender clearly deserved it, and it only ends in some superficial injuries, then i think 95% of the public would support these actions. The majority of the public wants this from us. The lawyers and courts have become this societies downfalls.
So anyway, i've come to the conclusion that you really can't work the street and/or be proactive without losing your cool once in a while. And under this sup't and current city climate you can't EVER lose your cool anymore, hell you can't even swear back at these people that are mf'n you. So what is left to do. Find some inside spot, any inside spot and sit there and try to pass the years until it's time to retire and leave this city.
It's such a shame. I really loved being the police for the short time i was able to and i loved the job. The job that was promised to me in the academy. And i would give anything to go out there and be the police again. To be able to really set some of these gang bangers straight that are terrorizing these neighborhoods. But i don't want to get sued. I don't want j-fled calling a news confrence b/c i bitch slapped a gang banger that has been arrested 70+ times with tons of felonies that is the reason a whole city block can't come out of their houses.
So i'm sorry residents of chicago. You've lost a good cop in me. One that really cared and wanted to make a difference. Please start rallying around us more and supporting our actions even when we make mistakes but they're for the right reasons. We need you just as much as you need us.
Makes sense. Who really cares? Will it make my job easier? Will it boost my morale? I have no interaction with my Dep Chf, only slightly more with my Cmdr.
Bye bye gun teams
This ought to push Rottner's little nervous habit to about 10 packs a day. Maybe the boys at General Services can move his desk outside for him.
Sounds like he is modeling after LAPD where there are two Capts per Division, (one is called the area capt and he/she is a Capt 3 and the other is a patrol capt 1. THe difference in pay is about 20K and the CAPT 3 has the final say on everything in the division.
Each watch has 1 LT assigned to it, when the LT is absent there is a SGT II (assistant watch commander), who is the watch commander. One of the worst things about LAPD is all the different ranks within each rank...management loves it because its a great way to divide everyone...you have PO1, PO2, PO3,DET 1, DET 2, DET 3, SGT 1, SGT 2, LT 1, LT3, CAPT 1, CAPT 3.....everyone on this department is bogged down with useless paperwork that you guys couldnt even begin to imagine...most SGTs are stuck inside for hours completing useless admin paperwork...I wont even get started on Patrol officers and the amount of paperwork we get stuck with!!! LAPD we dont solve problems we just kill trees and document them!!
Any word yet about the 10 hr. Day work schedule from the arbitrator?
That's good.
As a 2nd watch officer I will henceforth inform the residents of my beat that arrests will now be handled by 3rd watch and they can please call back then. I will handle case reports but only on even numbered days and not during a full moon or religious holidays. Traffic accidents will be investigated and reports done but only if the car is proven by me to be undriveable and properly licensed and insured.
Unlicensed and uninsured drivers will get no service under any circumstances. Same with those who no habla. They can please call back when they get a license and insurance and learn the English language and can recite the 50 states and their capitals and have memorized the Gettysburg Address and passed the Constitution Test like I had to do in the 8th grade.
It is time to put plan "B" into affect. The countdown to the EOC (end of career) has begun in earnest.
Well, seeing they have essentially stripped patrol, this seems the most logical next step.
And when will city hall realize that district managers / administrative manager are useless and not needed.
The front office staff of each and every unit in this dept. used to handle what these hacks do now.
Get rid of them and save millions.
I say we dumped them all and start over. At this point it seems as though the bosses are making shit up. It's not our fault they did't max out earlier in their careers. It's not our fault they decided to start having babies at 50. I say get them all the hell out of here.
J-Fled apparently never heard the saying "too many Chiefs, not enough Indians".
Guess Feebs can't even think non-PC statements like that, while they think it's: 1. Perfectly fine to leave a Chicago Police Officer (RIP Officer Airhart) dying and bleeding behind a door without calling for backup, 2. Before he starts the job, OK to send the file of a Chicago Police Officer who had served his departmental suspension over to his fed buddy on a bogus charge, which condemned the Officer to the hell of a federal penitentiary in Louisiana, and - if his case before the Supreme Court is not successful - will rob him and his family of an honestly-earned pension and make it difficult to find employment when released (FREE COZZI), 3. Upon hearing shots fired at a nearby location, and seeing many brave Chicago Police Officers getting in their patrol cars to head to the scene, the supernintendo's response is gotta run!.
-not a cop
Off topic and I apologize. My phone has been ringing off the hook for candidates polls I guess. Yesterday Reverend mEEKS' people called me and were asking me about 20 tedious questions. Started out "would you vote for Dart?" and then all the questions were trying to make mEEKS look like a good guy. I can't believe mEEKS is actually trying so hard
Seems logical to me...in D.C. Lieutenants sign off on arrests and act as the WC most of the time when there's no Captain. Half the time there's maybe one or two Lts in the station in any given watch. Captains or Inspectors are the number twos in districts and Districts are run by Commanders who report to a single Assistant Chief.
If CPD is as top heavy as it sounds, I feel for you guys...
LA is half the size of the CPD. Also, why do we always have to act like LA is right and we need to conform to them. F--K LA, CPD is the best departmet in the nation, when this guy leaves we will pick our selves up and put the pieces back together. We have to stop all the infighting.
Captains are going to work out of the areas. I believe all Remaining Captains will be placed as inspector unit. The watches will be run by Lts at thier pay scale, thus eliminating the w.c. pay scale. I know this was tried before under "caps" in the mid nineties and it failed. However one of the Lts were still given w.c.pay. Under this system there will be no resentments with the lts on the watch over pay.
I also heard rumers of cpls. being made to eleminate sgt. positions. Cpls can handle crime scenes, missions and other non supervisory jobs in the sector they are assigned. They can still handle their jobs that is assigned to thier beat. L.A. Pd has been using this position for years.
Times are getting hard and jobs are becoming fewing as we are feeling the effects of the Obamanation that is now in charge in Washington. be glad we have a job and lets hope for a better future for are kids.
If you eliminate the Area Deputy Chief's then most of them will simply call it quits. Most of them have the time to do so. I am sure that when they are called down they will go back to service rank therefore forcing their hand to retire. God help us all with what we have left at 35th street. There are so many clueless people working down there.
Does JPUD think he's running for re-election? It's like the 3 year wonder writing all their tickets & contact cards in the 13th period so they can get a 20% 2nd watch spot in the 1st period. He's gonna brainstorm and workshop with the policy group and come up with a "whole new dept" for the new year. mmm-mmm-mmmm !
Why are we doing this noe J-Fed?? You are on your way out!! I guess this is your farwell gift to all the real police you leave behind.
Booz-Allen, the Chicago Bull's player! Alright!!!!
Will it help strengthen our pension for the future?
Zavala a great boss?
I wont agree to that one, not in the least.
But he may be a tad bit better that Alvarado, he is afraid of his own shadow.
What a pathetic bunch of bosses we have in the dept.
Don't believe that all those Deputy Chief positions will be eliminated....that's probably what will be told to those who will be shoved out due to lack of clout; others will then be brought in a few periods later into those 'phased out' positions, and then 'detailed' elsewhere. J-Fled did this a couple of times already during his time here, it's an old City Hall tactic, one that will likely be preserved if the next elected Mayor is a stalwart of the machine themselves.
Why is he making changes now? He promoted corrupt, unethical and incompetent exempts during his time here. Now he decides to eliminate excess command and stream line the chain of command? Is he worried and finally decided to do the right thing? BTW, stop wearing the unifrom.
Tobias
District managers have been written out of the budget for 2011 just find someone with a copy and see for yourself.
Does that mean that a certain deputy will be a sgt. soon? Ouch. That has to sting the ole pocketbook!
Can we switch our furloughs and take 32 straight days off to work a part-time job in another state? If anyone can, Lt. Ray Ray can!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you eliminate the Area Deputy Chief's then most of them will simply call it quits. Most of them have the time to do so. I am sure that when they are called down they will go back to service rank therefore forcing their hand to retire. God help us all with what we have left at 35th street. There are so many clueless people working down there.
10/16/2010 08:23:00 AM
Yup. I kinda think that's the point...we won't need to give daley his 32% for the budget...he's found a way to trim the dept...legitimately. And I bet most captains will bolt as well. Go from a spot handling a dist to handling an entire area? Or having to be an inspector? ya...most will leave. And once Da Mare figures out that if we redistrict, we can then move lt's to cover the vacant captain(inspector) spots at lower grade, it's even gonna get more streamlined. Interesting times are ahead...
Frankly, I'd be surprised if the city eliminates exempt positions. These are how Daley rewards his friends and political relationships. Interesting how the number of exempts positions dramatically increased during the Cline and Weis eras.
And no mention of the fact that the state labor board has agreed to hear the captains allegations that the city is attempting to eliminate that position in clear violation of their contract.
We all have to understand that screweing with the supervisors only supports the city's efforts to screw with police officers. So don't be quite so unsympathetic. Some of us like the thought that we might be able to get promoted.
If a Lt is going to sit in the Capt's chair and they approve 1 arrest they must pay them Capt's pay per contract. The only way it will happen is if the Capt in the area approves all arrest reports, and handles all Capt related duties.
If this happens you will see the least senior Lt being the watch coordinator. Given a choice the field Lt spot is far better.
Anonymous said...
Captains are going to work out of the areas. I believe all Remaining Captains will be placed as inspector unit. The watches will be run by Lts at thier pay scale, thus eliminating the w.c. pay scale. I know this was tried before under "caps" in the mid nineties and it failed. However one of the Lts were still given w.c.pay. Under this system there will be no resentments with the lts on the watch over pay.
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10/16/2010 08:22:00 AM
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Under the old, pilot program of no Captains and 3 Lieutenants on a watch none of the Lieutenants received out of grade Captain pay, UNLESS he was the only one working that day, and had to be both Watch Operations Lieutenant and Field Operations Lieutenant. The reason it did not work was that a tie breaker, Captain, was needed. Believe me I was there.
Captains as Watch Commanders has been in existence since 1960 and has worked well. Changing it, other than maybe to accommodate overlapping watches would be foolish.
Mr. Superintendent , You are finally doing something good for the CPD . Assign all Captains to areas , when captain in area is day off , assign a captain/inspector to fill in . That way no more out of grade pay for lts .
Lt's as watch coordinators is a good idea , assign extra lts to an area and have the captain assign him to a district to patrol in that area and where to fill in as an acting watch coordinator.
That way only 1 Lt. assigned to a district and no fighting because the area captain will assign relief lts to field and watch coordinator assignments.
Good idea , you owe someone a dinner for that one.
the mayor should extend your contract for a year with savivings from this change.
no more early ducks for captains.
now if you could replace the district commander with district manager .
That would help our pension.
Best idea in CPD in over 30 years.
Mayor Daley when you request a two tier pension , whichis a good idea.
please eliminate the gold braid pension , you have the power and it will save millions .
that will make up for th 20 million loan that fop said you didn't have to pay back.
How about just using the non-beat cars for all in progress jobs? All these rapid response cars just hide out on violence missions usually doing nothing.
THE GOLD BRAID PENSIONS SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO BE CUT not the workin copper!!!! RIGHT GOV QUINN (if elected he will cut all the state pensions in the name of people's Reform)
merit clouted captains won't fight this because 6 political heavy
weights will be back on days
and i'm sure they'll be selected by race 2 of this 2 of that and everyone is happy
it will trim captain rank and save cpd some big money
no more out of grade for lts
you can bet the new captain / inspectors will be relief watch commanders in the areas
that was the plan with replacing lt. field inspectors with captains
now it all makes since
good job superintendent weiss
now replace some commanders of small units with captains and bingo the mayor should extend your contract for another year while the new mayor searches for a replacement
where did zavala go ?
is he 60 , did he retire ?
Mayor Daley & Superintendent Weiss,
Does CPD need a Commander area detective units , mass transit ?
Captains should be able to supervise 3 lts and sgts .
Many Detective Division Commanders are lts that were double merit promoted . Use captains as co's in detective , traffic , mass transit,erps , crystal ball unit , management labor affairs and cut budget of cpd .
i have to say, i only have 12 years on this job but even i can remember when i first came on. patrol and teams worked together, riding on jobs together, sharing information, helping each other. sgts and lts took care of their people, gun days, family days, quashing cr #'s. you dont see that to much anymore. everyone is out for themseleves, quick to make judgement calls. i hate to imagine what the department will be like in 10 years?
Do not be so smug or arrogant and believe that CPD is the best in the nation. Having many fine officers who bust their ass does not make it so. NY has a much better structure and way of doing business. There are other fine city departments in the nation. Chicago has been inbred for too many years with the same tired old policies from people in the department who learned it from people in the department. I love the Chicago Police Department, but I would truely hope for some fresh ideas from someone with big city police experience, not someone from the feds. Chicago PD is very top heavy and full of patronage. LA is also a fine department. They get by with thousands of people less then Chicago, but they have the county sheriffs department to help out. Do you really believe that Cook County Sheriffs department is capable of doing anything useful in this town? Yes,, I think it is possible, but not under the current political structure. The sheriffs department has many fine officers and correctional officers who just need the training and leadership, something they did not get in the past.I would love to see a metro, county wide department, but that will not happen.
Anonymous said...
And when will city hall realize that district managers / administrative manager are useless and not needed.
The front office staff of each and every unit in this dept. used to handle what these hacks do now.
Get rid of them and save millions.
10/16/2010 06:13:00 AM
When City Hall decides not to let Reverands, Politicians and some gang bangers run the department in otherwords no time soon.
Hey if i have to wait 2-3 hours for a captain to approve an arrest report or trr, so be it, i have to be there for 9 hours anyway. after 9 hours you ask for a yellow slip. But dont think it will really happen sh*t rolls down hill LT will approve everything
Guys, you are missing the bigger picture The city, by changing the "job status" and descriptions of the jobs that Lts and Capts is a direct violation of their contracts! These are things that must be negotiated in their contracts. If the city is going to do this to them, its only a matter of time before they start screwing around with yours!
16/2010 03:14:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Sounds like he is modeling after LAPD where there are two Capts per Division, (one is called the area capt and he/she is a Capt 3 and the other is a patrol capt 1. THe difference in pay is about 20K and the CAPT 3 has the final say on everything in the division.
Caveat: some of our captains are'nt capable of making decisions.
Anonymous said...
And when will city hall realize... blah, blah, blah
10/16/2010 06:13:00 AM
They already know.
Those spots didn't exist before and the Dept didn't crumble to dust.
You think they couldn't eliminate them again?
But they won't because those spots are occupied by people who was sent by people who somebody knew.
Sorry, but this town ain't ready for reform!
Boy oh boy, just give me a couple of hours to sift through this bloated, top heavy, too many chiefs and not enough injuns Department and I'll turn this worthless, clout-filled chain-of-command into a lean, mean real police machine... old hacks need not apply ! ! !
I mean, come on! For every worthless gold star you eliminate, you could hire 2 or 3 working coppers.
Which one do you think this Dept needs the most?
YES ! ! ! !
The gold braid pensions ARE KILLING OUR PENSIONS and the taxpayers ! ! !
FOR GODS SAKE - DO IT NOW...
PLEASE ! ! ! ! ! !
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You are correct. A lieutenant can be bounced into 1 of 100+ "exempt / command" positions that pay over $150.000.00 @ year. Then, he has to do a total of 3 years in an exempt spot. THEN, his pension will based on that salary.
EXAMPLE:
Political Hack Chief who makes $191,000 @ year retire at 29 years of service =
PENSION IS $143,250
Our pension will be drained by 2019.
Stop these gold braid pricks!
Bye bye gun teams
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highly doubtful, the gun teams are federally funded... if you get rid of them then the city looses out on the funding... the city is not going to pass up free funding from the G.
CPD is so top heavy that it's a wonder we haven't capsized.
However, when there are large events it's fun to hear all the boss' countermand other boss' orders. All of them have to be heard on the radio.
LAPD has got it right. Eliminate middle management and streamline the ranks. I heard Captain rank will be eliminated by 2012. Lieutenants will replace them and handle their duties.
Take a look at the LAPD wikipedia page.
Their rank structure is very different than CPD.
Different levels of PO's, Sergeants, and Lieutenants.
Anonymous said...
LA is half the size of the CPD. Also, why do we always have to act like LA is right and we need to conform to them. F--K LA, CPD is the best departmet in the nation, when this guy leaves we will pick our selves up and put the pieces back together. We have to stop all the infighting.
10/16/2010 08:16:00 AM
Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha!
Dude, don't OD on the kool aid.
LAPD has 10,000+ sworn officers.
They are bigger than us now.
Anonymous said...
This ought to push Rottner's little nervous habit to about 10 packs a day. Maybe the boys at General Services can move his desk outside for him.
10/16/2010 03:14:00 AM
The man just turned 62 and has been maxed out for a while. Why stay except then he has to stay home with the family and holds no exalted rank there but he still has to smoke outside.
016 District Section 8 said...
Booz-Allen, the Chicago Bull's player! Alright!!!!
10/16/2010 08:40:00 AM
Damn, that guy does all right for himself!
of course a lt can do a captains job , most captains never passed the lt test and the lts that did pass (10%) are all merit clout
political appointments
assign captains only to areas , assign the remaining captains to inspections and they can fill in as captain in the six areas and write all the sgts , lts and patrolman that are late , leaving early , unshaven , goatee beards and sgts & lts that do not complete supervisor logs
assign some captains to small units and replace commanders
Way to many "clouted" gold stars,why do we have so many "security specialists all D3 pay to be valets?I understand the mayor has drivers,but why does eddie burke,the treasurer stephanie neely all have a huge fleet of cpd valets? All making well over $120,000 per year! Why does the mayor have 2 yes 2 commanders making over $170,000 each + the gold braid pension when both are only patrolmen! A district has upwards of 250+ officers with 1 commander why does the mayors detail with what 30 guys max need 2 at this huge pension sucking rate of pay! Why D-3 pensionable for the details? What extra training do they have? Watched a couple of these valets at the range had trouble even hitting a target! Maybe the next mayor will dump this huge waste!
If a Lt is going to sit in the Capt's chair and they approve 1 arrest they must pay them Capt's pay per contract. The only way it will happen is if the Capt in the area approves all arrest reports, and handles all Capt related duties.
WRONG! Now you go read the contract.
Captain BELLS, Captain Faragoi, remember thsoe guys?
People trash on teams (SAT< GUN<MID GANG<) and yet they fail to realize that we are beign crapped on as a WHOLE!! Downtown is loving it. Wise up and suport eachother.
10 hour days will soon be GONE.
I think a lot of people are missing the point. We definitely are too top-heavy in spots but I personally think doing away with Capt's is a big mistake. They tried this once and realized it was a mistake so they went back to Capt's as W/C's. As it is now, a W/C must interview an arrestee who was involved in a TRR. Are they gonna shuttle between districts interviewing arrestees along with approving arrests? There are PLENTY of places to cut fat, but I honestly don't think eliminating the Capt's is a good idea.
And no, I'm not a Capt nor do I have any "connection" to one. I just have 25yrs on, ALL in districts on the street and see how this could be a clusterfu@k.
Be SAFE!
FOP eus your power in springfield to get rid of the GOLD BRAID PENSION in nov 2010
Mayor Daley , Gov Quinn would sign off on it in a new york minute
why shoul all the patrolman , detectives , evidence tech and sergeants be paying for the political merit appointed exempts
i have to say, i only have 12 years on this job but even i can remember when i first came on. patrol and teams worked together, riding on jobs together, sharing information, helping each other. sgts and lts took care of their people, gun days, family days, quashing cr #'s. you dont see that to much anymore. everyone is out for themseleves, quick to make judgement calls. i hate to imagine what the department will be like in 10 years?
10/16/2010 12:01:00 PM
I think the problem is that many old bosses have left or been forced out. These were the guys who had the knowledge and experience to get the job done. They also probably told the idiots to "STFU, thats not how its done. Been there, done that, doesn't work. This is how to do it." Were some/most of these bosses clout heavy? Sure. Did they take care of their own? You betcha. But most of them were in the KMA club and weren't afraid to speak up. Now, you have commanders who have 15 years on, maybe in their mid 30's--where are they going to go if they dumped? You have a Director of PAU with 4 years experience. A policy group made up of who knows who. These type of people are the "yes men/women", afraid to be the police, afraid to stand up to bad policy because it would jeopardize themselves. These are the people who lift their faces up from J-Fleds lap, wipe their chins and say "Good idea Superintendant". The same can be said for most if not all of the "merit promotions". Where will we be in 10 years? I think we will pick ourselves up by the bootstraps, dust ourselves off, and continue to march. This is just my opinion though.
Also 12 years on
My vote is in . Supt Weis until he retires. He has really done a great job with the gold star(s) that have been running around acting as if they were gods gift to the cpd. If you look back Supt. Weis has saved the cpd so much money and is functioning without major problems. We have survived all spcl events for 2010.
I say great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Q&A with Rahm Emanuel: His first Chicago interview
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter .....
Q. Police Supt. Jody Weis' contract expires March 1. Would you renew it?
A. It's clear to everybody that, when the superintendent and the rank-and-file are fighting, the gangs are winning the crime war -- and that's wrong ... You're not focusing on the safety of the streets. And the mayor has to provide some of that leadership so there's a focus on why we're all here.
Q. Does that mean Weis has to go?
A. No. What it means is, we have a problem. ... Just like city functions, you have to ask some core questions about people: Is this the best? Are we achieving what we need to achieve? And can we do better? That will be about people, functions and services.
This shit is funny. Not long ago we had two chiefs, one in patrol division and one in the detective division. Now we have four or five chiefs. They arent eliminating shit they are adding more do nothing bosses.
Anonymous said...
YES ! ! ! !
The gold braid pensions ARE KILLING OUR PENSIONS and the taxpayers ! ! !
FOR GODS SAKE - DO IT NOW...
PLEASE ! ! ! ! ! !
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You are correct. A lieutenant can be bounced into 1 of 100+ "exempt / command" positions that pay over $150.000.00 @ year. Then, he has to do a total of 3 years in an exempt spot. THEN, his pension will based on that salary.
EXAMPLE:
Political Hack Chief who makes $191,000 @ year retire at 29 years of service =
PENSION IS $143,250
Our pension will be drained by 2019.
Stop these gold braid pricks!
10/16/2010 02:57:00 PM
The CFD fought the gold braid and do not have it. The CPD lets any political cock sucker wet their beak in our pension.
Zavala retired, decided to leave on his own. Good for him!
Who gives a shit. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Yesterday Reverend mEEKS' people called me and were asking me about 20 tedious questions. Started out "would
20 fucking questions? After ID'ing themselves as being from meeks group, guess what? CLICK!!
This ought to push Rottner's little nervous habit to about 10 packs a day. Maybe the boys at General Services can move his desk outside for him.
Is this the same guy that lived outside the city.
We all have to understand that screweing with the supervisors only supports the city's efforts to screw with police officers. So don't be quite so unsympathetic. Some of us like the thought that we might be able to get promoted.
No way that's bull shit their white shirts- MANAGEMENT who will screw you in a minute.
OT:
Q&A with Rahm Emanuel: His first Chicago interview
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/2807920,CST-NWS-rahm17web.article
Q. The Chicago Police Department is more than 2,300 officers-a-day short of authorized strength. Daley's budget provides 200. Not even close to the amount needed to keep pace with attrition. How many officers would you hire and where would you get the money?
A. There's no doubt you need more police on the street. We've got to find the resources. But in the meantime, there's other ways to do things to be more effective with what you have. ... Should we put probation officers in the cars with police officers so that, when gang bangers are in violation of their probation, we know how to be more aggressive about that violation in getting gang members off the streets.
Q. Police Supt. Jody Weis' contract expires March 1. Would you renew it?
A. It's clear to everybody that, when the superintendent and the rank-and-file are fighting, the gangs are winning the crime war -- and that's wrong ... You're not focusing on the safety of the streets. And the mayor has to provide some of that leadership so there's a focus on why we're all here.
Q. Does that mean Weis has to go?
A. No. What it means is, we have a problem. ... Just like city functions, you have to ask some core questions about people: Is this the best? Are we achieving what we need to achieve? And can we do better? That will be about people, functions and services.
He didn't give ANY answers. He answered questions with questions and did a tap dance to avoid answering the questions given. Well what does tell you about him???
THE GOLD BRAID PENSIONS SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO BE CUT not the workin copper!!!! RIGHT GOV QUINN (if elected he will cut all the state pensions in the name of people's Reform)
Brady said he would cut the pension along with minimum wage and social security, You got them mixed up boy.
Bye bye gun teams
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highly doubtful, the gun teams are federally funded... if you get rid of them then the city looses out on the funding... the city is not going to pass up free funding from the G.
True, but only a total of 8 PO's are funded with PSN money. So they could drop the other team and Sgt. if they wanted to put those 8 with one Sgt....
Zavala was always great to us in 010!
from tomorrows trib:
Chicago police officials have moved about 150 officers from one of the department's crime-suppression units into the most dangerous districts to focus on the violent crime plaguing those streets, officials said.
The so-called saturation teams have been divided across the department's five geographic areas and float around the districts as needed when crime heats up.
But a recent review of arrests for the teams showed they were not always tackling the violent crimes happening in the communities they were assigned to. Officials said they were also concerned that the teams were often operating under the direction of a sergeant, not an ideal for monitoring officer conduct.
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THE TRUTH:
Arrest activity DID go down in a certain area when they put this wiz kid in charge of 'predicting crime" They put these guys in 2x2 boxes and they were told not to leave. Even if nothing was happening in the box, the guys were told that was considered a success since no one got shot in their box. Truthfully. Sgt's DID bitch about cops being held to boxes and that activity was suffering, but the exempts said activity was not important - be VISIBLE. Also, certain areas had a CAPS Lt. in charge, moving these guys around for CAPS related bullshit and running personal errands at their whim. They don't want good Sgt's being in charge, but it's ok for CAPS Lt's who were supposed to be in charge to never be around?? This article reeks of cheap old lady purfume.....
(OT) Don't worry ernie brown has it covered!! LOL! gee wheres my arizona (LIE) resume'
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/10/special-police-teams-moving-to-citys-most-dangerous-districts.html
"...assign some captains to small units and replace commanders
10/16/2010 05:08:00 PM"
Leave my small unit alone!
10:12AM could be right. The 2011 Budget is online.
Page 183, District Law Enforcement, the line 0394 Administrative Manager has no entries for the 2011 column.
There are still 0394 lines budgeted for Admin positions like Finance and the Academy. So maybe they eliminated Admin Managers title from Patrol?
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Anonymous said...
District managers have been written out of the budget for 2011 just find someone with a copy and see for yourself.
10/16/2010 10:12:00 AM
"...reeks of cheap old lady purfume.....
10/16/2010 08:31:00 PM"
Better than reeking of cheap old lady
10/16/2010 08:31:00 PM
We all have to understand that screweing with the supervisors only supports the city's efforts to screw with police officers. So don't be quite so unsympathetic. Some of us like the thought that we might be able to get promoted.
No way that's bull shit their white shirts- MANAGEMENT who will screw you in a minute.
You evidently have no aspirations, remember, every supervisor spot they take away is one less spot for a P.O. to eventually be promoted. We should never want any spot to go, it has a trickle down affect.
Go to the City budget page:
http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/obm.html
Read the 2011 budget for CPD. Here is just one example of many problems I have with it. They budget for 75 Captains for Patrol and 5 for the street Inspectors, yet they are cutting Captains, soon to be down to about 49.
Riddle me this folks, where does the money budgeted for these spots go????? We are talking big bucks, I'm sure some other Freakin Department get's money off of our budget. Remember this is only one example. There are a myriad of spots which have budgeted posotions, yet don't get filled.
There are WAY TOO many exempts on the CPD! And way too many collecting gold braid pensions. The gold braid pensions have to go. They are killing the pension fund.
Some idiot said...My vote is in . Supt Weis until he retires. He has really done a great job with the gold star(s) that have been running around acting as if they were gods gift to the cpd. If you look back Supt. Weis has saved the cpd so much money and is functioning without major problems. We have survived all spcl events for 2010.
I say great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can get off the blog now Rahm and masters. Which one of you pixies is taller??
Mayor Daley when you request a two tier pension , whichis a good idea.
please eliminate the gold braid pension , you have the power and it will save millions .
that will make up for th 20 million loan that fop said you didn't have to pay back.
10/16/2010 10:48:00 AM
Softball. 2 tier is only good if you are on the top tier, dummy !
Special police teams moving to city's most dangerous districts
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/10/special-police-teams-moving-to-citys-most-dangerous-districts.html
Either accept the cutbacks or the city goes bankrupt. City goes bankrupt-- all contracts, pension obligations and benefits are voided.
Yes, Yes, Yes...we are very top-heavy in the management dept. We don't need all these ADS positions in patrol and in the det. div. There are too many bosses and the entire dept needs to be stream-lined, NOW.
Rahm is a self-centered, arrogant -----; take away his titles (congressman, wh chief of staff), and give him another title (truck driver, hot dog stand salesman), then, who would he be?
If a Lt is going to sit in the Capt's chair and they approve 1 arrest they must pay them Capt's pay per contract. The only way it will happen is if the Capt in the area approves all arrest reports, and handles all Capt related duties.
If a Lt. sits in the W/C's chair and does anything a Captain should be doing they get out-of grade, period. They won't be making watch coordinators, it's a new title that would have to be approved by the LT's union, and a contractual issue they will never agree to, unless it is Captains pay, which it wouldn't be.
Don't believe every rumor you hear..
Also, don't be so quick to throw Gold Star Pensions under the bus, if the City get's to fuck with theirs ours would be next. Remember, they are exempt, have no union protection, get no overtime for the 14hr days, furlough days(which Daley still wants us to take) thus the higher pay and car. Who would want that job without that? the Captains and Lts. don't seem to want it anymore; as it is, alot of good bosses citywide are laying low, passing on the Gold star, opting for their union protections. If they try to assign captains or Lts. as C/O's they would pay big overtime for all those hours. City won't like it.
It will be an interesting 5 months to say the least..
YES ! ! ! !
The gold braid pensions ARE KILLING OUR PENSIONS and the taxpayers ! ! ! ! !
FOR GODS SAKE - DO IT NOW... PLEASE !
What a douche, you know what is killing our pension fund?? the City not funding it, period!
Way to throw fellow officers under the bus.
The City's plan of divide and conquer still works...
10 hour days will soon be GONE.
10/16/2010 06:12:00 PM
Because it works and the troops like it. That would work for everyone, city and cops in a tight time, but it makes sense.
if it's good for the city and the cops, it'll get shit canned. Anything Shortshanks can get by to screw cops will get by.
He didn't give ANY answers. He answered questions with questions and did a tap dance to avoid answering the questions given. Well what does tell you about him???
10/16/2010 07:47:00 PM.
Although Rahm didn't straight up say no. It sure didn't hide the fact that he wouldn't renew J-Fled's contract.
I think that's pretty evident
How will they be able to contain the damage that is coming???
You reap what you sow!!!
You evidently have no aspirations, remember, every supervisor spot they take away is one less spot for a P.O. to eventually be promoted. We should never want any spot to go, it has a trickle down affect.
HA HA HA You sound like Ronald, I give a rats ass about more clout cry babies in white shirts,this job isn't legit.
Let me get this straight. I make sgt and lt through legitimate testing. They kill off the Capts rank and replace it with their BS ses capts and bestow the bars on a bunch of merit-clout hacks who fail miserably. So now they want to kill off the fake capts and stick me with all their duties but still only pay me as a lt. Yeah, this is really going to build up my morale. At least the screwing of the non-clouted knows no rank boundaries.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If a Lt is going to sit in the Capt's chair and they approve 1 arrest they must pay them Capt's pay per contract. The only way it will happen is if the Capt in the area approves all arrest reports, and handles all Capt related duties.
WRONG! Now you go read the contract.
10/16/2010 05:19:00 PM
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If a Lt performs the out of grade duties of a captain for a minimum of two hours during a full tour they get out of grade pay for the whole tour.
Anonymous said...
THE GOLD BRAID PENSIONS SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO BE CUT not the workin copper!!!! RIGHT GOV QUINN (if elected he will cut all the state pensions in the name of people's Reform)
Brady said he would cut the pension along with minimum wage and social security, You got them mixed up boy.
10/16/2010 07:53:00 PM
The poster who said Brady will cut pensions is correct. Brady is on record as saying he will cut municipal workers pensions, including police officers!
And yet, CPD officers overwhelmingly voted to give the FOP endorsement to Brady. Why?
Quinn is on record as opposing pension cuts but will very likely try to raise the Illinois Income Tax from 3% to 5%.
So it is a choice between two evils. Vote Republican and put a guy in office who will cut pensions and change pension laws in ways we will learn about later.
Or vote for Quinn, keep the pension and give our January 2011 2% raise right back to the State of Illinois.
I wouldn't attempt to get between police officers and their precious Republican politicians, lord knows how much the Democrats are hated hereabouts, but when Brady sets about cutting police pensions throughout Illinois, don't say you were not warned.
I explained this to officers in my district, still they voted in straw polls unanimously to endorse Brady. If anyone favored Quinn they didn't dare admit it in a police station.
Anonymous said...
YES ! ! ! !
The gold braid pensions ARE KILLING OUR PENSIONS and the taxpayers ! ! !
FOR GODS SAKE - DO IT NOW...
PLEASE ! ! ! ! ! !
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You are correct. A lieutenant can be bounced into 1 of 100+ "exempt / command" positions that pay over $150.000.00 @ year. Then, he has to do a total of 3 years in an exempt spot. THEN, his pension will based on that salary.
EXAMPLE:
Political Hack Chief who makes $191,000 @ year retire at 29 years of service =
PENSION IS $143,250
Our pension will be drained by 2019.
Stop these gold braid pricks!
10/16/2010 02:57:00 PM
Oh so thats why the commanders of 14 and 007 got made as political favors to help them get paid. Both clueless political hacks.
Please assign all Capt's to areas then we can get rid of CW in 021. Or better yet buy them out so she will finally be gone.
Also, don't be so quick to throw Gold Star Pensions under the bus, if the City get's to fuck with theirs ours would be next. Remember, they are exempt, have no union protection, get no overtime for the 14hr days, furlough days(which Daley still wants us to take) thus the higher pay and car. Who would want that job without that? the Captains and Lts. don't seem to want it anymore; as it is, alot of good bosses citywide are laying low, passing on the Gold star, opting for their union protections. If they try to assign captains or Lts. as C/O's they would pay big overtime for all those hours. City won't like it.
It will be an interesting 5 months to say the least..
10/16/2010 11:00:00 PM
A LT or Capt. that refused a exempt promotion? BS! They would sell their soul for a gold star. There are numerous benefits for exempts that are not obivious. The power alone is enough to attract white shirts to be exempts. No overtime for a $150,000 year job with numerous benefits? Quit complaining or return to a field LT position.
Under Quinn the state goes bankrupt and the whole thing is fucked. Plus more wasted money to the shitheads and other parasites.
Yeah, Brady hates municipal pensions. Have you seen the shit in the news about the assclown village managers and other do nothing desk jockies retiring at 200-300k/yr or more? These fucks are getting more than the POTUS or a Congressman for managing West Bumfuck USA? You think that's legit? Are you smoking the evidence again?
LA is half the size of the CPD. Also, why do we always have to act like LA is right and we need to conform to them. F--K LA, CPD is the best departmet in the nation, when this guy leaves we will pick our selves up and put the pieces back together. We have to stop all the infighting.
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My man you have no idea what your talking about. LAPD is much bigger than CPD, so is LA... Your wrong about CPD too. Just say no to drugs
Let me get this straight. I make sgt and lt through legitimate testing. They kill off the Capts rank and replace it with their BS ses capts and bestow the bars on a bunch of merit-clout hacks who fail miserably. So now they want to kill off the fake capts and stick me with all their duties but still only pay me as a lt. Yeah, this is really going to build up my morale. At least the screwing of the non-clouted knows no rank boundaries.
10/17/2010 01:43:00 AM
Sorry, but you are not going to
get sympathy from the overworked PO sector!
Let me get this straight. I make sgt and lt through legitimate testing. They kill off the Capts rank and replace it with their BS ses capts and bestow the bars on a bunch of merit-clout hacks who fail miserably. So now they want to kill off the fake capts and stick me with all their duties but still only pay me as a lt. Yeah, this is really going to build up my morale. At least the screwing of the non-clouted knows no rank boundaries.
"LEGITIMATE" testing? Get over yourself, and I'm sure you would have turned down the Captain's bars if you had some whack?
If a Lt. sits in the W/C's chair and does anything a Captain should be doing they get out-of grade, period. They won't be making watch coordinators, it's a new title that would have to be approved by the LT's union, and a contractual issue they will never agree to, unless it is Captains pay, which it wouldn't be.
Don't believe every rumor you hear..
Once again, READ the contract, must do the duties of a Captain for a minimum 2 hours before they get out of grade pay. So.. you could approve arrest reports etc... for an hour and 59 minutes and you don't get Captain's pay. Also, since when Does the city have to wait for any Union to approve any change, you must be a hair gel or an old fart that has no knowledge. Now, back to sleep.
"Captains and Lts. don't seem to want it anymore; as it is, alot of good bosses citywide are laying low, passing on the Gold star, opting for their union protections."
Really? WHO? Show Me One! I know there of plenty of exempts out there talking crap about how bad it is and how they're making less money than when they were pseudo-captains but they all jumped at that gold star and I can't find a single one who has turned down the gold star.
will pick our selves up and put the pieces back together. We have to stop all the infighting.
You think?
'A LT or Capt. that refused a exempt promotion? BS! They would sell their soul for a gold star. There are numerous benefits for exempts that are not obivious. The power alone is enough to attract white shirts to be exempts. No overtime for a $150,000 year job with numerous benefits? Quit complaining or return to a field LT position.'
I know of a few Lts and Capts who have turned down exempt positions under the J-Fled/3M administration, and I can't blame them at all. If all of these asshats are trounced out of this Dept. in the next 4 months or so, a lot of the higher ups who everyone knows have sat on their hands and said or did nothing while J-Fled/Masters fucked over a number of good people will find themselves forced out of the post-J-Fled/Masters CPD, and rather quickly too, I'm sure.
Since when are we state employees???? Also, the change would affect new hires for state employment, replacing the pension with a 401 K plan.
Quinn is more of the same, entitlement loving, progressive, Democrat. We have a liberal Congress and President, and it has proven the to be a failed experiment. Hopefully the upcoming election will move the Republican Party back to its roots, not the liberal slant Bush followed to save his reputation towards the end when he rubberstamped the Democratic Congress policies.
My man you have no idea what your talking about. LAPD is much bigger than CPD, so is LA... Your wrong about CPD too. Just say no to drugs
MY MAN, I wish I could help you, but you are too stupid to look things up before talking. LA Still sucks!! By the way, everything LA is doing was copied from Chicago. Your idle Bratton got everything from here.
MY MAN, I wish I could help you, but you are too stupid to look things up before talking. LA Still sucks!! By the way, everything LA is doing was copied from Chicago. Your idle Bratton got everything from here
If you're going to call someone stupid please use the proper words. It's not "idle" its "idol"
And LAPD did not copy from CPD, the opposite is true:
LAPD started SWAT and GREAT and CPD followed suit.
I drive a beat car and wear a blue shirt. All I need to know is, am I in any danger of getting dumped off my beat car because some middle management fuck figures out that my job is better than theirs? And if I get dumped, what will they make me do? If I can't get a beat car, then what? Foot post? Ok by me. Desk spot, if I have to. Force me to take a promotion for the last two years? OK but one of those two years will be spent on the medical.
So as I near the end, I realize that I have almost won this game. I will still get the pension, I get paid automatically on the 1st & 16th, my deferred comp is up above what it was before the crash and I pretty much am left alone.
All in all, not too bad, better than fretting about the latest department re-organization.
This reshuffling the deck is nothing new, they do it every so often, not realizing they had it right years ago. Yet my job has gotten easier and management's has gotten harder. Let the genius's continue to out think the problem. OK by me.
"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganization; and what a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralization."
If you're going to call someone stupid please use the proper words. It's not "idle" its "idol"
And LAPD did not copy from CPD, the opposite is true:
LAPD started SWAT and GREAT and CPD followed suit.
Actually brainiac, GREAT was started in Phoenix.
I know of a few Lts and Capts who have turned down exempt positions under the J-Fled/3M administration, and I can't blame them at all.
I call Bullshit! Name one
All you guys bitching about the gold braid pension.
Do you understand that it affects others too?
Working stiff dicks (huh?), E.T.s, etc.
Unless you never want a promotion or get a spot like ET or crime lab gold braid pensions can and will affect you.
We all know what's draining the pension.
name 1 lt or captain that turned down an exempt spot
you don't see any resigning unless it's to get 55 free health care
FOP Please get rid of GOLD BRAID PENSION , it's a pyramid system
10,000 blue shirts , 1,000 sgts and a couple hundred lts paying for pensions of political hacks
As a Lt. "sitting in the chair" I took home $24.68 a day out of grade....I didn't take the Lt's test to be a merit clout Capt. I took it to be a Lt., and refused to "submit my resume" to be a clout baby Capt.
Lt. JG Ret.15JUL10
>>>A LT or Capt. that refused a exempt promotion? BS! They would sell their soul for a gold star. There are numerous benefits for exempts that are not obivious. The power alone is enough to attract white shirts to be exempts. No overtime for a $150,000 year job with numerous benefits? Quit complaining or return to a field LT position.
10/17/2010 09:11:00 AM<<<
BULLLSHIT!! With Daley Days (unpaid furlough) figured in it is only a about a 3K gain for a Lieutenant and a net loss for a Captain. The "power" ain't worth the headaches of having to sit in the same room with that goof and pretend you think he is a genius.
"Power", Jody's micromanagement does not give anyne power, only a target to place the blame when shit happens.
Not long ago there was a HQ Commanders spot open and no Captain or Lieutenant put in for it. It pissed Jody off, he didn't like the idea that some bosses still have integrity, so he wants to eliminate as many as possible.
That was one goal of moving all Captains off of days and onto Third and First Watches.
Stay safe, we got a lot of work to do to put this Department back together when this guy is gone.
L.A.P.D. not only want it's officers to take unpaid furlough days, it wants it's officers to WORK UNPAID DAYS.
maybe 100 of 270 lts put in for the merit clout captain spot
you can bet 90 % of them were MERIT
Clout Sgt and LTS
NO Shame , political hacks
Day Capt. in 024 (great guy) turned down the commander spot twice.
Anonymous said...
If you're going to call someone stupid please use the proper words. It's not "idle" its "idol"
And LAPD did not copy from CPD, the opposite is true:
LAPD started SWAT and GREAT and CPD followed suit.
Actually brainiac, GREAT was started in Phoenix.
Actually you junior crimefighting criminologist, GREAT is an off shoot of the DARE program which, like SWAT, has its roots in LAPD.
It's back to the lab for you-you August Vollmer/Alphonse Bertillion/
Orlando Wilson type.
Even though I'm CPD, I 'm going to say that LAPD is a better managed, better trained department.
They've had weapons and technology for years that CPD just recently got. And they have a history of police chiefs that actually backed their officers publicly.
Anonymous said...
Under Quinn the state goes bankrupt and the whole thing is fucked. Plus more wasted money to the shitheads and other parasites.
Yeah, Brady hates municipal pensions. Have you seen the shit in the news about the assclown village managers and other do nothing desk jockies retiring at 200-300k/yr or more? These fucks are getting more than the POTUS or a Congressman for managing West Bumfuck USA? You think that's legit? Are you smoking the evidence again?
10/17/2010 09:12:00 AM
Nothing good worth smoking in the evidence lately.
A LT or Capt. that refused a exempt promotion? BS! They would sell their soul for a gold star. There are numerous benefits for exempts that are not obivious. The power alone is enough to attract white shirts to be exempts. No overtime for a $150,000 year job with numerous benefits? Quit complaining or return to a field LT position
Factor in the the 28 furlough days, no holiday pay anymore, being micro-managed by masters and Weis, no union protection, 14 hr. days etc. and the Commander job now sucks, the only job worse right now is probably Dep. Chief.. Lts are making a fortune working as w/cs all over the city and are making more than most Commanders, why leave that? The only boss that might snag a gold star these days is one who plans on retiring as soon as they have time in grade and want to be a chief in a small town or suburb and need the resume boost.
I know plenty of Captains and lieutenants who laughed when asked to submit resumes for exempt, they are all laying low in their union protected positions until the Weis storm blows over..
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