Terror Alerts
A bunch of low key articles in the media and a little more intense stuff behind the scenes with various alerts being posted in CO Books and e-mail alerts.
The basis? Non-specific yet credible threats, possibly of a Mumbai-type attack by small bands of heavily armed individuals.
So what does the Department do? Pulls shotguns off the street (via an e-mail from an irate west side cop):
The basis? Non-specific yet credible threats, possibly of a Mumbai-type attack by small bands of heavily armed individuals.
So what does the Department do? Pulls shotguns off the street (via an e-mail from an irate west side cop):
- Dear SCC, just thought you'd like to know, Downtown EB issued an order pulling all shotguns from the street. Where I work, we've deployed shotguns every single day for months on all the watches without a single untoward incident of any type. Nothing like training up dozens of people, then refusing to equip them properly, especially in light of the recent terror threats. What gives?
We are SOOOOO ready for an attack.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
88 Comments:
ooo fuck , i feel a whole lot better now.... arm yourself people..the bottoms gonna give...
THE REVOLUTION is a comin ...
I think the Dept. should start a version of the 'Carbine Program' for officers who want to carry their own shotguns (without the running and pushup BS). I for one would favor that as a 'peace restorer' than an M4. Simple, gets EVERYBODY'S attention, and I'm guaranteed to get a piece of that ass when the shit gets dicey.
Wake up, Ernie, this is your chance to be innovative.
Uummmm , say for instance that their is an attack and we are underpowered. Does EB have an liability? Neglagence? He does have clearance from home land security/ FBI regarding threat level intelligence and im sure is briefed about any threats!
It's stuff like this that makes me glad I'm retiring this month. Are the impermeable suits for emergency responders still locked up in the watch commanders' closets?
Don't forget to add in the stolen squad car, various M plates, uniforms and other police items taken for the past year or so.
EB takes all his marching orders from the Revs. They tolds him we don't likes them Shotguns in the Hood, hence the order.
Terrorist attacks?
Well if it happens on 1st Watch, Im ready to go. I have my ten 30 round mags of .556 ammo ready to go at a moments notice. BRING IT OOOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!! Have your "GO" bag ready and keep the right mindset. Gas mask ready and available.
I think I'll oil my Rock River named "Charlene" and perform my routine function check!
We have some awesome warriors on this Department waiting for the opportunity to wipe some terrorist scum off this earth. Not everyone hides behind a desk here.
Lets be thankful of that and rest easy. The sheepdogs are standing by......
WHY would you take tools away? The shotgun is a proven LE weapon and has its applications. although limited.
How were you securing the shotgun you took out everyday? the gist of the order by Brown was due to the fact that they couldn't be properly secured, like the rifles.
Downtown EB probably got angry phone calls from some democrats that the poleese were carrying shotguns and that those shotguns were intimidating.
If we had leaders like this in the 1940's we'd all be speaking Japanese or German.
Spineless gutless pukes.
OT: Dicks class being made before end of year.
I hope not only will they start issuing you all with shotguns, but also a MP-5, for just in case and attitude needs to be adjusted more! Time to show some power in the time of need.
The Prez sez we can absorb another terrorist hit, even one like 9/11.
What next?
In- service classes from the French army on how to surrender with style?
Because we are run by idiots-The FBI mus tlaugh everyday. It will only get worse with DART & Co. County clout best you can have and how many will still live outside the city.
What gives is Ernie is a POS!
The guy should have been fired for bringing discredit to the department after his Arizona fiasco. Not to mention his conduct toward certain officers.
And that's not all EB is up to. Blocking out incumbent Sgt's and Lt's from bidding or PAR form backfilling away from their current districts when the newly promoted come out. Not recognizing all the vacancies citywide so PO's can at least be fooled that the can get out of their shit districts. And now, his own special love for the midnight watches. Lookout everybody because this guy thinks he knows how to run things. Is this J-Fleds revenge, or is J-Fled beyond caring? Note to the next Supt.: everything with EB's name on it gets rescinded, that is if he actually puts it on paper and sends it out like real orders are supposed to. Kinda' funny how HQ is getting dummied down at this critical time.
And it is only a matter of time before they pull the carbines also, that is just the way this department works. The only hope we have is that we get a new mayor with some kind of sense who dumps all these incompetent Gold Stars!
Training? Watch a couple videos and that's called training?
Either EB has his head in the or he is clueless.
EVERYONE on this department should be rifle and shotgun trained.
A Mumbai style attack will happen on US soil eventually and the street copper in the squad car will be the first one on scene.
M-4 much better, more accurate and less recoil. Break out one of those uniform and availability checks and skip the bar for a change.
Well, I carry an M-4 carbine. I will pick the lil bastards off at long range, well before they get within shotgun range. Problem solved:)
There was some problems with the shot guns in area 5. Might be a recall until they are fixed.
Notice that since the physical shit was dropped for the carbine, there are no carbine classes. Only the zeroeing class is offered. We should just bequalifying with the carbine and shotgun annually, like the handgun. In essance, train everyone on the rifle and shotgun, like most real police depts. do.
listen officers , buy a shotgun and carry it , it's dept. policy , not against the law . if you use it , means one thing you're alive going home to family and the bad guy to morgue
where's fop on this one
another clouted merit boss taking orders from reverunds or that gator guy
or it could be jfled negotiated this with gang leaders
gang leaders said remove shotguns or else jfled gotta run
Why were the shotguns pulled? Is there a squad with a new sun roof that we don't know about?
Anonymous said...
Notice that since the physical shit was dropped for the carbine, there are no carbine classes. Only the zeroeing class is offered. We should just bequalifying with the carbine and shotgun annually, like the handgun. In essance, train everyone on the rifle and shotgun, like most real police depts. do.
10/01/2010 09:02:00 AM
There was a carbine class this week, ending today. Gotta pay attention. It was listed on CLEAR.
Anonymous said...
Well, I carry an M-4 carbine. I will pick the lil bastards off at long range, well before they get within shotgun range. Problem solved:)
10/01/2010 08:26:00 AM
Long range? The carbine is supposed to be zeroed at 25 years.
I like the 12 gauge shotgun for urban police work. Mine is zeroed at 15 feet. 00 buckshot. It does a great job of one shot stops.
It will happen on the North Side during 2nd Watch . If you work in 1,18,23,24 or 17 you are the targeted areas. 1,18 with all your hotels,tourists spots.23,24 and 17 with all of your synagogues and Jewish institutions. By the time 10 organized lunatics started their mayhem in downtown, they could partially splinter off North and continue unimpeaded. The lack of manpower is criminally negligent and would cause the deaths of hundreds of civilians and the worse loss of life in CPD &. CFD history. When a forensic audit is finally conducted and the complete stupidity and corruption exposed the people will want to crucify not only Daley,Weis but Cline as well. Start now with hiring qualified people and stop wasting our precious resources on unnecessary technology.
I am not sure what make or model shotguns are in the districts but there is a major rear sight malfunction on the Benelli Semi Auto shotgun. Several PO's have been injured already.
Carry some extra pistol magazines, if nothing else. The gas pedal is the best weapon if you can drive away from a threat.
A Mumbai style attack will happen on US soil eventually and the street copper in the squad car will be the first one on scene.
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You're goddamned right. It won't be a politician or whatever desk jockey made this decision to take away shotguns. It will be a couple of beat cops responding to the call everyone dreads, scared shitless, bravely facing down a miserable situation with whatever tools their superiors let them have.
When you're playing Terrorist Whack-A-Mole on a city street, a sidearm is such a woefully inadequate tool, it's suicidal to run into the middle of that shit armed only with a pistol.
Even a 12 gauge, for as exceptional a peace officers and home defense tool as it is, is pretty damn limited in a "multiple terrorists armed with rifles" scenario. Still, it does day to day work beautifully and if it comes down to a shotgun or a pistol facing a cel attack, at least the officer has a chance in hell to command a reasonably sized beachhead and hope the cavalry gets there before the terrorists get to him.
Chalk up this shotgun thing as one of the worst decisions of 2010.
I heard the Benellis at the Det. Div. had a problem with rear sights flying off and hitting people in the face due to recoil. That could be why they were pulled out...for repair? Not everything is a conspiracy.
Yes the M-4 is a nice weapon and less recoil and great to pick off a target at long range but give me a shotgun with slugs or double odd buck any day at close range where most police shootings do happen. Plus added benefit nothing like racing one in the chamber when there is a large group out and about it is an attention getter.
Buy the way I wish all my extra checks went to the bar they go towards gas tuition and belongings
WILL THESE PEOPLE SUFFER MORE THAN I WILL HAVE AFTER HAVING DONE MY JOB AS A POLICE OFFICER?
I have to say reading a lot of the pro police action/ kill terrorist comments puts a smile on my face. God bless you all.
But when I recline and think about the cries of war like, "let loose the hounds of hell" do not exactly apply. We are a younger force than we used to be without the advantage of institutional knowledge and experience.
Bosses above the LT are shit.
Police work has been exchanged for a corporate agenda. Given this paradigm shift,I think we need to shout instead; where's my partner? Is my vehicle going to break down at high velocity? Will this action take a month's pay from my family's mouth? Will I have to defend criminal charges against me? Will my Sgt., LT., Capt., Commander, Chief, ADS and Supt. have my back? WILL THESE PEOPLE SUFFER MORE THAN I WILL HAVE AFTER HAVING DONE MY JOB AS A POLICE OFFICER IS ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD BE SHOUTING.
These are the things that shout out to me when I think about my job and life.
Just a thought. I hate to be the devil's advocate, but keep your eyes open. There are daggers in the leadership's eyes. Et tu boss? Than so shall fall this blue shirt.
Where were you general orders, laws and corporate charter during inauguration day? I was eating shit on the street cause I could not be the police by direct order.
Everyday we inaugurate another criminal into a criminal system without teeth. And it will get worse until you look out for the police. Bottom fucking line!
Notice that since the physical shit was dropped for the carbine, there are no carbine classes. Only the zeroeing class is offered. We should just bequalifying with the carbine and shotgun annually, like the handgun. In essance, train everyone on the rifle and shotgun, like most real police depts. do.
10/01/2010 09:02:00 AM
Once again the dept. didn't think or plan ahead when they lifted the power test requirement. Now that everyone wants to take M4 training, they realized that there isn't enough cars with the rifle locks to accomodate. $$$$$$$, again.
NOTICE : This is not a real police department anymore.
I shoot regularly and I don't look forward to some sort of terrorist attack. Things can go wrong and even if you're prepared, you can get into something that goes badly for you.
Training? Watch a couple videos and that's called training?
EVERY COMBAT VET FROM 9-11 ON OPs LIKE OIF OEF ETC SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
It's official, saw the "RAHMUNIST say he's done in D.C. Batten down the hatches for Hurricane RAHMBAMA to roll into town this weekend.
Ernie should go when Weis, Brust, O'Keefe and Master (x3) goes.
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II.
We have become weak and have let our guard down. God help us if we sink any further.
Yeah, and Gene - "look at me, look at me" political hack - Roy is in charge of Bomb and Arson as a consolation prize after being dumped from 009. Not a drop of experience, but suck up political favors puts this dangerous clown in charge. Don't ya feel safe?
TARA 2 ? WTF. Same house mouses teaching it. Do they understand the threat?
This new order is because a certain person in 025, thought taking out a shotgun didn't coincide with the general orders. So that said person took it upon themselves to contact HQ. HQ got wind and called an end to deploying a great tool we had. And no EB, the racks worked just fine for the shotgun.
001 and 018 2nd and 3rd watch I hope you are squared away if something happens. I work in the southside shithole called Englewood I'm actually safe from any Mumbai-type terrorist attack. .........Stay safe
There was a carbine class this week, ending today. Gotta pay attention. It was listed on CLEAR.10/01/2010 09:36:00 AM
Was not posted in CLEAR the past two weeks, that was a class that still needed POWER test.
A GO BAG???
I have a GO bag ready. When the shit hits the fan my Go bag GOES in the truck, jump on the hyway and don't stop till I'm at the lake house 82 miles away.
Once this shit hole stops burning I will return and collect whats left.
isten officers , buy a shotgun and carry it , it's dept. policy , not against the law . if you use it , means one thing you're alive going home to family and the bad guy to morgue
You sir, are a goof who will get someone jammed up.
Old Retired Guy Here:
I feel this city is totally unprepared for any large scale emergency response, for many reasons. My favorite personnel grip is: "The Flower Pots". Yes, Flower Pots, those things prevent emergency vehicle from driving right down the center of the street to respond to emergency calls. I always would be able to drive right down the center of Ashland Ave. Now a Fire Truck has to drive on the opposite side of the street. Very dangerous. If a accident occurs, the driver is holding the bag. If a lot of cars, and trucks had to get downtown in a hurry."forget about it" ! Hey who cares anyway ? Certainly Not The Mayor, or the News Media.
PS:Have A Nice Day ???
In the event of an attack and I am prohibited from carrying a shotgun or a carbine I will simply call for a weapons team and form an outer perimeter.
No way will I try to take on trained and determined and heavily armed terrorists with my Sig. Not with the goofy sergeants and lt's in my district.
Push comes to shove we have military trained police officers (blue shirts) and they will have to step up and lead. We will follow the military vets.
Or just call for masters and wait till he and jodypweis show up.
I hope not only will they start issuing you all with shotguns, but also a MP-5, for just in case and attitude needs to be adjusted more! Time to show some power in the time of need.
Both have SEVERE limitations compared to the M4. Educate yourself on the capabilities of these 3 weapons before you start asking for the least effective tools available. Especially in the face of terrorism.
Long range? The carbine is supposed to be zeroed at 25 years.
I like the 12 gauge shotgun for urban police work. Mine is zeroed at 15 feet. 00 buckshot. It does a great job of one shot stops.
It is zeroed at 25 yards for a 100 yard zero. There is a way to do that. You stick with your shotgun when you face the criminal/terrorist/nut at 20-60 yards with an Ak47 and body armor. Ill stick with my M4 and more than 6 rounds that penetrate bodyarmor with low recoil. EDUCATE YOURSELF, this is 2010. the shotgun is a VERY limited weapon.
"Non-specific yet credible threats, possibly of a Mumbai-type attack by small bands of heavily armed individuals.
"So what does the Department do? Pulls shotguns off the street (via an e-mail from an irate west side cop)
"•Dear SCC, just thought you'd like to know, Downtown EB issued an order pulling all shotguns from the street."
If you watch any international news at all - Al Jazeera is really good -- you'll have noticed that every male over the age of eight in the Third World is lugging an FN-FAL or something around. Still functional and deadly after decades of abuse in the hands of complete incompetents; the West passed the superior .308s down to the animals through "foreign aid" and the international arms trade when their armies adopted the flimsy .223 mouse guns. Folding-stock M14s coming out of the bush in Nigeria to this day...aside from all the East-bloc 7.62x39mm stuff.
In the face of international terror -- let alone a tavern robbery gone bad -- Chicago police officers aren't even as well armed as recreational deer hunters in this state. Hell, they can't even have a decent heavy-duty flashlight. Might hurt some maniac with it.
This department is run by idiots.
"We should just bequalifying with the carbine and shotgun annually, like the handgun. In essance, train everyone on the rifle and shotgun, like most real police depts. do."
Not possible via Streaming Video. That's the ONLY training the department is interested in.
And now, his own special love for the midnight watches.
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What's that about???
Breaking: CBS News reports that Bin Laden himself was likely behind the plots for Mumbai style attacks.
Just like hoe the WTC Bombing in 93 and the USS Cole eventually culminated in what we saw on 9/11, they will keep trying until they succeed.
I think I'll wander out to the range this weekend and do some multi-target drills at 100 yards... This can't be good.
This just in...handcuffs must be covered in a fuzzy protective covering. Approved colors are pink, baby blue, and rainforest green.
"001 and 018 2nd and 3rd watch I hope you are squared away if something happens. I work in the southside shithole called Englewood I'm actually safe from any Mumbai-type terrorist attack. .........Stay safe"
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Sure we're ready. We can only put up a few of the cars per night and they are all 99. Half of the P.O.'s were never issued gas mask and the protective uniforms never made it out of the W/C's closet, but sure, we're ready. As long as it doesn't happen during rush hour or when all of the officers are down on holding offenders. I haven't been able to get into an M4 training class yet but I'm still checking everyday. No problem.
I'm confused. Is there a bomb and arson unit or is there not? Past comments said that arson detectives went back to the areas. Does that mean only bomb techs are left in B&A? So then why is there still a commander of B&A? Is he the commander of a dozen people?
the shotgun is a VERY limited weapon.
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It's actually a very versatile weapon and damn near perfect for day to day police work. Up close, it's a fight stopper like no other. Given 99.9999% of shit coppers might face, if you can't get it done with 6+1 rounds of 12 gauge, it's immortal and you better call an exorcist. Ask any returning vet who actually kicked doors in sandland if they had a shotgun on point. I guarantee you, they did and it wasn't just for blowing locks... People who have used them, seen them in action against shit with a pulse understand. Up close, it's like a carbine set to god mode.
Still, we are in agreement that in a Mumbai or North Hollywood type situation, a carbine is the right tool, especially in a free society where SBA can be ordered online by anyone with a debit card.
If I were policing shitbirds in Englewood, I want a 12 gauge. If I'm in the loop or another high-profile area that might conceivably be a target for something organized and with special considerations for range, etc- yeah, carbine.
People who disparage the shotgun don't understand it. It's another tool in the box. Don't knock it till you've seen what it can do in real life, as opposed to what it does in theoretical debates between range monkeys on internet forums.
You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II.
We have become weak and have let our guard down. God help us if we sink any further.
10/01/2010 03:28:00 PM
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Maybe the CPD has let its guard down, but Joe Average citizen has been buying guns like crazy in the last 2 years.
Reading some of the comments here, some of you sound really out-of-touch. Better start buying Guns & Ammo magazines and start learning about the tools in your trade.
Don't wait for the department for a class - go out and invest some of your own money for training and weapons.
Better get more of a gunslinger mentality than a city worker mentality.
The Prez sez we can absorb another terrorist hit, even one like 9/11.
What next?
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Prez Hussein knows there will be an attack on U.S. soil soon. He was posturing for his own benefit when he made that statement. It's coming. He knows, doesn't give a damn.
Anonymous said...
There was a carbine class this week, ending today. Gotta pay attention. It was listed on CLEAR.10/01/2010 09:36:00 AM
Was not posted in CLEAR the past two weeks, that was a class that still needed POWER test.
10/01/2010 05:25:00 PM
It was posted last week; per range guy no power test needed or someone gave bad info but I saw it and was signed up but canceled due to family event
Balkan news
Back in 91-99 the United States is against the SERBS for fighting Muslims for 500 years of history against the Turkish occupation that dates back to 1389.
No terror alerts in SERBIA because the muslims will not fuck with the SERBS. If it wasn't for the United Nations, Nato and the United States there would not be one muslim left in the former Yugoslavia.
World war 1 started there and world war 3.
I heard the Benellis at the Det. Div. had a problem with rear sights flying off and hitting people in the face due to recoil. That could be why they were pulled out...for repair? Not everything is a conspiracy.
10/01/2010 12:18:00 P
The benelli has a rear sight issue and has since the dept. bought them........ why they bought them instead of the 1170 . ?????????????
Long range? The carbine is supposed to be zeroed at 25 years.
I like the 12 gauge shotgun for urban police work. Mine is zeroed at 15 feet. 00 buckshot. It does a great job of one shot stops.
10/01/2010 09:40:00 AM
They are zeroed @ 100 yrds. The target is placed at 25 yrds but it is small so it simulated 100 yrds. I took mine out to the range the other day and was accurate at over 100 yrds. I still use a shotgun for deer hunting and agree it is a good weapon but I shoot a sabot round which is in essence 50 cal thru a fully rifled barrel. It will reach out to 200 yrds. The shotguns we had were relics and most unreliable. If we create a program to carry your own I am all for it. As a hunter would I use an M-4 for deer? NO too small. I would use a shotgun with a slug but the M-4 is a good people stopper just like the M-1 carbine was. If you shoot both and look at all the facts the carbine is the best choice. It is short fast and great at close range as well as long range. The Eotech site will allow you to aquire the target quickly with the circle for short range and the dot for long range. Plus the M-4 will allow you to carry 28 rounds per mag " dept reg" I have 4 spares with me at all times. I am ready and able...
Anonymous said...
Long range? The carbine is supposed to be zeroed at 25 years...
10/01/2010 09:10:00 PM
Most of us will be retired by then
remember years back when the white power guy was shooting at people in 024 and he killed the basketball coach ( i believe his last name was byrdsong, sorry, i'm getting old)--- total chaos on northside caused by one active shooter--- just imagine what would happen if several smaller groups deployed simultaneously---- not to sound crazy but several of my "civilian" friends have recently loaded up for bear because they see the writing on the wall--- if something steps off they will have to possibly defend their families because the police are stretched way to thin....
How were you securing the shotgun you took out everyday? the gist of the order by Brown was due to the fact that they couldn't be properly secured, like the rifles.
10/01/2010 02:01:00 AM
BS... If you have a car with a "Rack" invest a dime into an allen wrench and move the hasp to fit the Shotgun barrel. Very Simple and Secure.
I'm confused. Is there a bomb and arson unit or is there not? Past comments said that arson detectives went back to the areas. Does that mean only bomb techs are left in B&A? So then why is there still a commander of B&A? Is he the commander of a dozen people?
10/02/2010 01:45:00 AM
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No, you read here that NINE bomb and arson people went back to the areas. There is still a small*er) bomb and arson unit. I'm sure Federal funds require it.
Well if it happens on 1st Watch, Im ready to go. I have my ten 30 round mags of .556 ammo ready to go at a moments notice. BRING IT OOOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!! Have your "GO" bag ready and keep the right mindset. Gas mask ready and available.
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So, did you crack up here, or were you like this when you came on?
"BS... If you have a car with a 'Rack' invest a dime into an allen wrench and move the hasp to fit the Shotgun barrel. Very Simple and Secure.
--10/02/2010 10:06:00 AM
Oh, man. Now the carbine cannot be secured! That you're not using one is immaterial. Take a day. "Unauthorized modification," has to be done by designated trained mechanics on a rotation schedule that will take us into the next decade...
>>>Anonymous said...
How were you securing the shotgun you took out everyday? the gist of the order by Brown was due to the fact that they couldn't be properly secured, like the rifles.
10/01/2010 02:01:00 AM
BS... If you have a car with a "Rack" invest a dime into an allen wrench and move the hasp to fit the Shotgun barrel. Very Simple and Secure.
10/02/2010 10:06:00 AM<<<
If I knew how to sign in with By-Line, it might be "Cheap Bastard"
Dime? Allen wrench sets (metric or S.A.E.) free after rebate at Menards.
Well if it happens on 1st Watch, Im ready to go. I have my ten 30 round mags of .556 ammo ready to go at a moments notice. BRING IT
Communist China is our friend we can call them for help.
Couldn't find a better time and reason for a concealed/carry law.
Anonymous said...
Well if it happens on 1st Watch, Im ready to go. I have my ten 30 round mags of .556 ammo ready to go at a moments notice. BRING IT
Communist China is our friend we can call them for help.
10/02/2010 04:57:00 PM
Always wonderedabout guys who want to get ina firefight...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Communist China is our friend we can call them for help."
--10/02/2010 04:57:00 PM
Yeah, we'll poison the terrorists with contaminated milk and then bury them under piles of toxic drywall.
You got a weird sense of humor. (wink)
Every responsible citizen needs to be aware in their daily activities for suspicious activity by our arabic/muslim friends, don't care if it is profiling its who we have to worry about. A shotgun or rifle stored legally in the car would also be helpful just in case. I'm not trying to sound paranoid.And it is extremely unlikely you will see anything But you never know what might happen.
Well if it happens on 1st Watch, Im ready to go. I have my ten 30 round mags of .556 ammo ready to go at a moments notice. BRING IT OOOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!! Have your "GO" bag ready and keep the right mindset. Gas mask ready and available.
-- Dude your an idiot, you need a rubber gun
"The Prez sez we can absorb another terrorist hit..."
--10/02/2010 06:38:00 AM
Yeah, you can "absorb" having both your legs whacked off, too. You just won't have any legs, that's all.
Meaningless gabble. I'm surprised he didn't throw "resilient" in there too.
Balkan news
Back in 91-99 the United States is against the SERBS for fighting Muslims for 500 years of history against the Turkish occupation that dates back to 1389.
No terror alerts in SERBIA because the muslims will not fuck with the SERBS. If it wasn't for the United Nations, Nato and the United States there would not be one muslim left in the former Yugoslavia.
World war 1 started there and world war 3.
10/02/2010 07:28:00 AM
I was on furlough. When did WW3 start?
"Long range? The carbine is supposed to be zeroed at 25 yards."
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The M4 is zeroed for 100 yards.
I'm glad you like the 870 pump... so do I when I go pheasant hunting. It is a weapon with limited application against enemies with semi auto rifles.
But I cant change your mindset. Just like I can't force you to stop burning out Golden Nugget for free grub or get you to switch your rusted revolver for a Glock.
Carry some extra pistol magazines, if nothing else.
Arm the Kids.
Front Sight, Gun sight, Thunder Ranch. Get an education guys. Things will eventually go sideways. We're due and Chicago is so far from ready, EMS, PD, emergency departments. The citizens of Chicago are in for a rude awakening, one of their own making.
Westside Outside "Do Something" said...
Terrorist attacks?
Well if it happens on 1st Watch, Im ready to go. I have my ten 30 round mags of .556 ammo ready to go at a moments notice. BRING IT OOOOOOOOONNNNNNN!!!! Have your "GO" bag ready and keep the right mindset. Gas mask ready and available.
I think I'll oil my Rock River named "Charlene" and perform my routine function check!
We have some awesome warriors on this Department waiting for the opportunity to wipe some terrorist scum off this earth. Not everyone hides behind a desk here.
Lets be thankful of that and rest easy. The sheepdogs are standing by......
10/01/2010 12:58:00 AM
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WOW!!! You must be a REAL rockstar of a cop!!!
Seriously??? What a goof.
Probably one of those COLLEGE ROTC kids
>>>World war 1 started there and world war 3.
10/02/2010 07:28:00 AM
I was on furlough. When did WW3 start?
10/03/2010 09:51:00 AM<<<
World War III started on November 4th, 1979 when in Iran, a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of "students" attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran.
This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed the Carter presidency.
The attack on this sovereign U. S. Embassy set the stage for events to follow since then. Americans have not been safe anywhere in the world, being targeted for death, kidnapping and WMD attacks inside our country.
One of those attacking students, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is now President of Iran and mocks our country on the world stage and in the U.N.
Maybe you have been on furlough since 1979.
Anonymous said...
"Long range? The carbine is supposed to be zeroed at 25 yards."
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The M4 is zeroed for 100 yards.
I'm glad you like the 870 pump... so do I when I go pheasant hunting. It is a weapon with limited application against enemies with semi auto rifles.
But I cant change your mindset. Just like I can't force you to stop burning out Golden Nugget for free grub or get you to switch your rusted revolver for a Glock.
10/03/2010 08:45:00 PM
Nothing quite like a rusted revolver to beat someone to death with. My S&W mod 681 never rusts, stainless steel is like that.
I have always preferred a .45 auto as a sidearm. I only carried a revolver when mandated. I still carry one on camping trips in bear country, loaded with magnum rounds.
To paraphrase what a former Sgt. Major once said prior to battle, if it comes time that I need a rifle, I will pick one up off the ground.
Yeah, the carbine is a good idea -- seing as how you're faced with people with heavy-barrel AKs with bipods and 75-round drums, as shown on Channel 7 news today at a south side drug bust -- but boy, I can't emphasize enough, watch your background. Harder than hell to do in a heavily populated city, with an active shooter right in the middle monopolizing your attention! Frame house over there with the lights on -- can't do it. Keep cover and try to work sideways, moving up until maybe you can get subject in front of a brick wall, nice embankment, etc.
The .223 round is a killer at city ranges, very flat-shooting ahd hard-hitting; study the John Lee Malvo/Virginia sniper case, the two maniacs shooting from the trunk of a car with the rear seat removed. Every unaware civilian target in soft clothes they hit died, as I recall. A sad, terribly expensive reminder of some very serious ballistics.
I spent a lot of practice time with this caliber single-loading rounds, taking my sweet time until I was real familiar. Get used to the action doing its thing, cases ejecting, etc. until you can concentrate more on the target. I like the 20-round mags better, by the way; less protrusion to hit when you're cramming through a doorway or something, less chance of damaging the magazine/causing a misfeed, easier to prone out with. By the time you have let 20 aimed shots fly, something has probably changed for the worse over there...
--The Ol' Plinker
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