Thursday, February 17, 2011

Pension Mess

We're sure this plays right into the hands of the politicians, pitting government worker against government worker, but facts are facts.

Here's the top 100 Chicago Police pensions as of 2010. Phil Cline tops the list with a pension of almost $147,000. The rest reads like a "Who's Who" of clout.

And here's a list of the top 100 government pensions in Illinois. Almost every single one is from one of the educators funds, Teachers or University. The top name gets a pension of over $390,000. The name at number 100 receives over $178,000 - $30,000 more than Phil Cline.

That tells us that while police gold braid pensions might seem a bit high, those aren't the ones bankrupting the system.

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119 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And 35 of 100 of the Teachers names are withheld? Any way to find out who they are?

2/17/2011 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Making more off pension, all the police people on that list, than all blue shirts make in a year in base salary. Rather sickening. I can understand why people r calling for pension reform. But my pension will never come close to theirs. That's what's not being reported.

2/17/2011 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT just did my Federal and State Tax return. Watch for the state tax on items bought through the internet that were not state taxed. The state automatically enters the amount they feel you owe (based on income) because everyone buys things over the internet. If your not careful this can cost you about $100.00 or more. If your doing your taxes electronically (it just pops up)........ I think lawsuits will follow.......

2/17/2011 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8th dist caps lady Jane F@*$#^ posing with zaluski on flyers. What a joke!

Go do some CAPS work! instead of trying to get this jerk elected!

2/17/2011 12:38:00 AM  
Blogger Alfonso said...

For what it's worth, looking at the top 3 on the non-cop list, Tapas K. Das Gupta is a cancer surgeon and the head of the Department of Surgical Oncology at UIC, and Edward Abraham and Riad Barmada are orthopedic surgeons at UIC. Somehow a $300K pension for surgeons who could have been making $1M a year in private practice maybe doesn't sound as outrageous.

But you're right, you are playing right into the hands of the politicians by pitting the cops and firemen against the rest of the government pension recipients. Divide and conquer and weaken the opposition is their strategy, and you bought right into it. They want you to say I got mine, fuck you, so you'll go away happy to have a crumb.

2/17/2011 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$390.000??? Funny, I've yet to hear ANY Democraptic politician complain about how these high pension earners are somehow undeserving, unlike those heartless pricks in the private sector who go to work everyday and actually earn it.

2/17/2011 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slightly off topic, but did anyone get one of these in the mail? I didn't get one yet. Seems ol Rahmbo got a list of city workers' addresses and sent them a letter regarding pensions...we are screwed.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/3859977-505/city-workers-not-happy-to-get-letter-from-rahm-emanuel.html

2/17/2011 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh my god!! the lowest name on the list gets $14,000 a month!!! and who the hell are the names withheld?!!! and i'd love to see the top 500 and see how much they are sucking out of us

2/17/2011 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the communist terrorist and cop killer Bill Ayers listed? He poisoned the minds of our youth for twenty years after bombing Chicago, the Pentagon and killing a San Francisco cop and now the taxes of the people of the state of Illinois support him and his radical politics.

Oh, yeah. He supported Obama. Everything is OK. Don't forget to vote for Rahm.

2/17/2011 01:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CPD is what I expected.
What is it with the names withheld on the state list ?
I am due a state pension and was thinking about withdrawl considering the state finances, but, looking at the collateral damage.....
those people don't lose.
This is a tough one.

2/17/2011 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How sad! People that sat in a chair because of their clout and collect HUGE pensions while the lowley policemen and firemen risk their lives everyday to get a $40,000 pension. It's the politicins that destroyed the pension not the foot soliders. We put into the pension every two weeks until retirement and also get ZERO Social security. The working average joe gets painted as a greedy a-hole. The truth needs to be told!!!

2/17/2011 03:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That list if FUCKN sicking!!! These guys made HUGE $$$$ before retirement and now some make double what a average P.O. makes while in their retirement? The gold braid pension is part of the problem next to the politicians steeling from it. How can these politicians attack the low level patrolmen who will make $40,000 tops in retirement? What a disgrace! The media should start calling out the real crooks.

2/17/2011 03:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been telling all at my district that would listen exactly this for years.

It is simple look at your property tax bill about 65% goes to "education". Yet our countries students rank near the bottom of the civilized worlds and our cities is near the bottom of our countries, despite being at the top of $ spent per student. Of course since Cook county is filled with criminal police haters and many good citizens dislike us because we are pressured to write tickets costing them $ we will be hit hard by Rahm if he wins.It's a no lose for him steal our $ and get good P.R. while doing it.Of course we can't strike as the teachers always threaten to do. Our union should make every effort to differentiate us from other public sector unions while we still have a union. One side note I don't think this is the time to have inexperienced union leadership think before you vote.

2/17/2011 03:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The unions and the employees should of stepped up years ago when this skipping the pension payments and we'll pay you back later all started

2/17/2011 03:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why so many 'names withheld' in the State pension listing? It certainly APPEARS as though a large number of people have something to hide.

2/17/2011 03:59:00 AM  
Blogger Schicklegroover said...

Illinois lawmakers (you know, the guys who will be in charge of re-writing the laws that steal our pensions) get to retire
* At age 55 with 8 years of credited service.
* At age 62 with 4 years of credited service.
* With 85 percent of their final salary with 20 years of service credit.
For a part time job...
Remember when they bring the Shitehammer down on us to demand the "THEM TOO" clause!

2/17/2011 04:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, thanks for the DD. I now hope people, especially POs see what really is going on! We are the scapegoats in this pension shit because we are letting them do it to us. Wake up! We are not getting rich on our measley pension money, many others are, including state custodians earning more pension than we do.Fight against any and all pension reform for police and fire NOW!

2/17/2011 04:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The gold braid pension is dead. The new state law provides that highest pension for new hires will be 75% of 106,000.

This also killed Captain pensions and Lieutenant pensions for new hires.

.

2/17/2011 04:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

$103,595.00 for keeping your nose burried in a few bosses butts seems to have paid off very well !!!!!!!!!

To keep in practice I'll bet you make an occassional trip to isolated "out houses" !!!

2/17/2011 05:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have you noticed that the evil little troll has appeared to verbally soften his stance? He's hearing the backlash from all of us city workers. But that doesn't mean he's not going to slash and burn our pensions and other contractual rights going into the future. I believe he's a man of his word-the first words he's used when he first started campaigning: He's going to cut our pensions. It's too late now Rahm. You've made your point.

2/17/2011 05:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Piggies at the trough. And probably a lot of those are double or triple dipping. Hmmm.

2/17/2011 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT

How about unpaid furlough days for link card holders? One day per month = reduce their card balance by about 3%. Everyone should have to tighten their belt in these tought times.

2/17/2011 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not Exactly Politically Correct
Hey, Mike. Wake up! It's 2011. And boy, from what I hear you're lucky it's 2011.

There was a nasty rumor going around that Mike made a derogatory comment at a Midway Airport roll call about an Officer's Italian ethnicity. Turns out it wasn't a rumor at all.

Mike was ranting about how the FOP election was fixed and was going to be stolen away from him. Mike didn't realize that Frank Balestri, a member of the election committee, was present at the roll call. Officer Balestri challenged Mike's comments about the election being fixed. Mike responded by questioning the legitimacy of the FOP election with a name like Balestri on the election committee.

You can read the letter sent to Shields by the President of the Italian American Police Association that demands an apology. IAPA Letter to Shields.

Here is the link

http://www.iapa-il.org/news/Shields.pdf

2/17/2011 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's been said for over 40 years that the Gold braid is killing the police pensions.....We have to start a movement to get rid of of the police gold braid pension...Pension should be based on last rank earned not clouted in....Notice the list of the top police pensions and what part of the city and nationality are most on the gold braid list....Bet you could put a politicians name by everyone on that top 100 list...So Let's get rid of the gold braid pension

2/17/2011 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget all the bosses pensions keep going up 3% per yr due to cola!

Up and up up and up.

And we going to get fucked huge.

Start banking cash for the future. Were going to need it.

2/17/2011 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take a boss who makes $105,438 from that list. If he or she lives another 20 years with the 3% cola, that pension becomes $190,433 per yr.

Not bad

Keep blaming the patrolmen though.

2/17/2011 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Where is the communist terrorist and cop killer Bill Ayers listed? He poisoned the minds of our youth for twenty years after bombing Chicago, the Pentagon and killing a San Francisco cop and now the taxes of the people of the state of Illinois support him and his radical politics.

Oh, yeah. He supported Obama. Everything is OK. Don't forget to vote for Rahm.

2/17/2011 01:28:00 AM

I'm glad someone else remembers what a worthless scumbag Ayers is. He and those like him are the problem with this state.

2/17/2011 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noticed the name Thomas Byrne on the Police list at 118k/year. Is that the same Thomas Byrne that let all the cars on LSD the night of the storm that cost the City of Chicago tens of thousands of dollars? Is he "entitled" to ANOTHER pension for his time at Streets and San?
Just curious....how many of the people on the list...or on other lists receive 2 pensions? The City County and State simply cannot afford the "Double Dippers".
Is there such a thing as "Triple Takers"?
Inquiring minds want to know!

2/17/2011 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sure the teachers are getting too much, but how many of those coppers are working another job where they get another pension, or working for the city as consultants...too many ... one pension is enough from a retired officer

2/17/2011 07:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now file them under the gang membership:
Fr. Perez Thugs
Reverend Daniels GDs
11th Ward Hacks
Joe the Tailor shop Kings
Our lady of the Cadillac's Stones
West side Rev's vice lords
Hispanic Organization Pachecos

2/17/2011 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think I got in the wrong line when I signed up. Check out what the top pay for teachers in Illinois. All public record. I had some good teachers, but seriously,pulling in over 100G working only eight months out of the year.

They want to attack our measly pension they should look into others first. Starting with the Politicians.

http://www.familytaxpayers.org/salary.php

2/17/2011 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The end is near..

2/17/2011 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is this where the lottery money is going? To education?

2/17/2011 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a minimum of 20 % of police exempts were merit sgt and lt
another 10 % made it on 1988 lt test notify watch commander

remember he's a good guy comment everytime someone is made merit

get rid of GOLD BRAID PENSION now

2/17/2011 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check this out. The city and state cry poor mouth, but they found 45 MILLION BUCKS to fund the building of a BIKE BRIDGE for the yuppies to get to Navy Pier! Whatta fkn waste of money! I don't want to hear their "cry poor mouth" bullshit after reading this crap!

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/02/17/new-bike-overpass-planned-for-navy-pier/#comment-75337

2/17/2011 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So nice the see the Burger Queen in the top 100. Gosh, she really earned it.

2/17/2011 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, it pays to be an "educator" in IL....these aren't the teachers, though, these are the administrators making the big bucks.
As far as our pension is concerned, they have to get rid of all the Assist. deputies, deputies, directors, etc. Waaay too much on top that is taking away from the average cop and det.

2/17/2011 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yep, I feel sorry for those 'poor' teachers having to subsist on twenty grand a month.

2/17/2011 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the pension mess will force most guys to work unitl they re 63. the lttle security gig+ pension isnt gonna fly in the very near future. living off your def. comp will be strained to the max also. we re trapped in this job-city by circumstaces others created. we are also being scapegoated and painted by the culprits that created this mess. my escape to a sunny paradise has been permanently put on hold.

2/17/2011 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is an idea for pension reform.....your pension should be based on your highest career service rank....IE, if you happen to be appointed to the rank of Deputy Chief in your last 4 years on the job, from the rank of LT, you would only be paying monthly what a LT would be paying and your would draw a pension of a LT. This would save us millions upon millions, and you just might get some bosses that want to do right by the officers and are not in it for monetary gain. Just an idea

2/17/2011 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired state employees? Why yes, their pensions make our look dirt poor by comparison. In addition, they get a 3% cummulative raise every year, plus free health care, free optical and they pay 10 bucks for dental. Their spouse has to pay $190 per year for health care. And, that is not the worst of it. Part-time teachers can retire witha pension with free health care for life. And, I mean part-time. All you need is 7 years of part time teaching to qualify. The next time you look at your tax bill or pay your kids college tuition, think about that. The educational unions have bribed our legilatures for years. The worst pensions in the state of illinois belong to us.

2/17/2011 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the Taxpayers Educational foundation can explain where Fred Rice's pension check is sent. I didn't know one could collect a pension after dying.

2/17/2011 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How bout finding out who has multiple pensions....that'll show you a "who's who"!!!!

2/17/2011 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I retired with a considerably small pension compared to them. I could not make it if my pension was cut.

2/17/2011 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And alot of them now have other city/state jobs that will give them another pension.

2/17/2011 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the website for the whole lists?

2/17/2011 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Tapas Bandit said...

No problemo here, I LOVE Tapas! Now take off that Gold Braid thong and Kiss Me You Fool!

~los Gold Braid Keesing Bandit~

2/17/2011 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why doesn’t the PENSION BOARD start running some public information commercials about our pension! We put in 50% of the money!! The Pension Board should be protecting our pension NOT the FOP!

2/17/2011 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Yeah...

This is some cherry-picked bullshit in that nothing is said about the people on this list being clouted up retired exempts but this shit is being played as if all coppers get these "rather generous" Police pensions.

Getting paid as an exempt SHOULD be reward enough. Period.

Pension should be based on career service rank.

"Gold Braid" is another way for king shorty to buy/ensure loyalty.

(Oh... and perhaps a slickly worded confidentiality agreement to further ensure silence after retirement? Persistent rumors for many years about that.)

Now on the other hand...

Some of the amounts listed for teachers does merit "the raised Vulcan eyebrow" of curiousity.

Who are the people redacted/not named?

CPS/Board of Ed. ties?

Everyone IS aware that CPS during the shortshanks era was shit-hemorrhaging money.

Perhaps it was a conduit for a vast majority of crime king shorty's financial fuckery & back of the bus 3 card monte?

The curious among us have been saying the reasons trotted out for Michael Scott doing himself in really didn't make any sense at all unless someone was alarmed that the G was going to start squeezing really hard and Scott was told, "yourself or your family."

Heh... The Black Ops branch of Daley Inc. has done some rather strange, curious and interesting shit over the years. We wonder if the vaunted feds have been "moled?"

Given the current inertia regarding the hijinks of Daley Inc., it is entirely possible.

Heh... Young Mr. Fitzgerald has been actively sitting on his hands. We predict a high DOJ appointment or judgeship as his reward.

Will the funky muthafuckahs get away with it all?

If only there was investigative reporting worth a shit & two dead flies in this town.

If only the feebs were just merely worth a shit but again, their expertise seems to exist in the realm of burying/hiding their fuck ups while displaying a coppers drawers sunny side up for public titillation. We again point to the feeb satellite office at HQ and the absence of one at City Hall, County, Board of Ed etc.

As the song goes, "Same as it ever was."

2/17/2011 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

fuck burke and his security detail i will vote 4 times for rahm just to see burke drive his own car to work fuck that irish prick OK SO U WOULDNT TAKE A GOOD DETAIL. Earn it no time on the job

2/16/2011 11:09:00 PM

voting for ballarina to jam burke is like impregnating a woman you do not want to have in your life. You will pay many times and many ways for your moment of pleasure. If nothing else, think about your pension. If you vote for stubbie, you are a fool.

2/17/2011 10:34:00 AM  
Blogger TWENTY and OUT said...

Here is what would make a better list SCC. Their name, city police pension, any other pensions they collect, and their current employer and salary(if it is government related). I'd love to see how many are double and triple dipping.

2/17/2011 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For what it's worth, looking at the top 3 on the non-cop list, Tapas K. Das Gupta is a cancer surgeon and the head of the Department of Surgical Oncology at UIC, and Edward Abraham and Riad Barmada are orthopedic surgeons at UIC. Somehow a $300K pension for surgeons who could have been making $1M a year in private practice maybe doesn't sound as outrageous.
------



Well how many years did he work? Did he work full time for the University? What was his pay at the University?


HMMMM?????

2/17/2011 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep your eye on WI. The changes may not include the police or fire dept (it does included clerical fire employees)at this point. What can these changes mean for the future of unions and arbitration/negotiation?
It's only 100 miles away.

2/17/2011 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sick?!

I want on that list!

2/17/2011 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WRT: Taxes.

If you're one of those people that use the government tax system as a form of forced payroll savings so that you will get a tax refund at the end of the year you may want to re-think that practice.

You know what I'm talking about.

You intentionally under-claim your exemptions so that they take out more taxes and "hold" the money for you.

Look at Illinois recent record for paying its bills on time.

Then look at what happened in California.

Next time around when you file your tax return you may not receive a very timely tax refund if you have one coming or even worse it may be an i.o.u. instead.

You wouldn't let a company that you know is going bankrupt hold your money for a year would you?

Think about it.

Fill out a new W-4 form -- talk to your tax pro.

2/17/2011 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rahm will straighten this all out! Yeah, right! Lose an idiot, gain a thief! Stuttering Dick will make more money teaching "The Chicago Way!" It is now an official term that companies will pay big money to learn how to "scam!" His dad would have been so proud! Should have copyrighted the original document. Make it a required class at The Wharton School of "Monkey Business!"

2/17/2011 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought for the day.

The Tail of Two City Contracts.

One is for parking meters the other is for the union pensions.

Why is the parking meter contract to the friends of city hall written in stone and untouchable while the union contract should be re-negotiated in good faith?

In fact why are all the city and state agreements for corporate tax breaks untouchable when we can not afford them. The same as we can not afford the union pensions?

Maybe ALL the contracts need to be put on the table. Bankruptcy and the threat of bankruptcy is a powerful motivator. It creates a crisis that should not be allowed to go to waste.

The politicians keep telling us that we are all in this together yet I don't see them or their friends sharing the pain.

2/17/2011 12:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sick part is some of these gold braid pension clout babies also collected unemployment when they retired. They cried that they were forced to retire at age 63 so they filed for unemployment. Fact! Hopefully they will have to pay the gov. back with a penelty.

2/17/2011 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous TaxedEnoughAlready said...

New York Times: 17-FEB-11
"...Hank Morris, once political advisor to Alan Hevesi, former N.Y. State Comptroller, was sentenced to jail for his role in a pay to play scheme involving the states pension fund...Morris & other Hevesi aides directed half of the pensions $10 billon reserved for hedge funds & private equity firms should be handled by firms that used Morris or his associates as paid intermidiaries "
Well, well, N.Y. State seems to know how to handle their pension thieves. Balls in your court Lisa, oh I forgot, your to busy trying to fuck Cmdr. Burge out of his pension & that your part of the cancer that plagues this state & my city.
Yo', S/Times & Trib, N.Y. Times knows how to report the real news, not dispense kool-aid & protect corrupt politicians.

2/17/2011 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those that don't already, take your spending out of the city, county, and state if you can.

The politicians are robbing everyone blind and they want us to pay ever higher sales tax, and every other tax, to line their pockets.

I've heard all of the arguments about how it I'm just hurting myself, that's BS. The more revenue these thieves have at their finger tips the more they take. Just look at the current pension mess, school mess, and every other fiscal
mismanagement.

We are about to get fucked by this city, county, and state, so I'm giving them as little of my dollars as possible.
I'd rather the thieves of another city, county, state
benefit because at least they aren't giving me their BS.

In three short years this den of thieves will be without a member of my family for the first time in 120 years.
We'll never look back.

2/17/2011 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So lets see. I own a home and want a second story addition. I cant really afford it. I know, I guess what I'll do is not pay the mortgage. Then I can build my addition. Boy, I'll have the nicest house on the block. All my yuppy neighbors will love it and tell me how beautiful it is. Oh no, the mortgage company wants their payments. Oh, i know, I wont pay my kids tuition. That will work. Oh no, my kids are getting kicked out of school. Thats alright they don't need an education. But man I have the nicest house on the block and all the yuppies love me and tell me how pretty it is. Oh guess what. My uncle Jesse wants a new 10 million dollar gym so his kids can tumble. I dont have the money. Oh, I know I wont pay the firemans pension. That will work they dont deserve it. Oh, guess what my yuppy neighbors want a 60 million dollar overpass so they can jog and ride their pretty bikes while wearing those fancy outfits. But I cant afford it. Oh, I know what I'll do I'll not only not pay the Police pensions I'll have my nephew steal the sixty million from it. That'll work. They dont deserve my toadies on the board will vote for it and my yuppy friends will back me..... And so it goes. I hope they are ready for Egypt..

2/17/2011 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eliminate the "gold braid" perk

2/17/2011 12:54:00 PM  
Blogger Rich Rostrom said...

I wonder how much difference it would make to cap all public-employee pensions at the median household income for the state ($56,235 in 2008).

Nobody should be cut off to starve, but half the people in the state get by on that much or less. It doesn't seem fair to jack up taxes on everyone, including the poor, to give somebody more than that, plus medical benefits.

Especially swine like Arthur Berman (ex-state senator - my district!), the top politico in the pigs list.

Just A Civilian (whose father gets health coverage from the state)

2/17/2011 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Shortershanks is playing the religion card against labor union leader

2/17/2011 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at this Sh** .

The pension mess in Wisconsin.

Teachers calling in sick to protest the Governor trying to take away collective bargaining for all public employees. Yeah they're busting out the unions!

Meanwhile the politicians are running and hiding..lol

------clip -------

Police Search for Senate Democrats Who Skipped Vote to Curtail Union Rights in Wisconsin

Senate Democrats in Wisconsin failed to show up Thursday for a vote on a "union-busting" bill that has prompted police officers to launch a dragnet for the missing lawmakers.

Republicans hold a 19-14 majority but a vote cannot be taken until at least one Democratic senator is present.

"It's kind of unbelievable that they're elected to do a job and they wouldn't show up to do it," Republican Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald told Fox...

more

2/17/2011 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OT just did my Federal and State Tax return. Watch for the state tax on items bought through the internet that were not state taxed. The state automatically enters the amount they feel you owe (based on income) because everyone buys things over the internet. If your not careful this can cost you about $100.00 or more. If your doing your taxes electronically (it just pops up)........ I think lawsuits will follow.......

2/17/2011 12:36:00 AM

It's called the "use tax" and the state wants/expects you to pay any taxes for items purchased over the internet or for items where the state did not get tax $. I doubt many people pay this tax.

2/17/2011 01:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget chicago aldermen and members of the park district board and county board. They all are entitled to pensions and health care benefits after only serving a few short years. They cannot collect until they reach retirement age, but they they are locked in and can buy years of ser vice to increase the payout. And, as I recall they get 80% of their salary, more then us. If you put govt. pensions in rank order of best to worst in Illinois, CPD comes out on the bottom.

2/17/2011 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Easy solution, cut all the top pensions 25%.

2/17/2011 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. Most, if not all the members listed have at least 30 years or more of sworn police service. In order for an exempt member to secure a gold braid pension he must work in the exemt ranks 3 years and a day, four years for the maximum benefit. Most members on the list were exemt over 8 years. A typical exempt member's regular work day starts at about 10/12 hours without overtime pay, and goes up from their. After their regular work day they have call out duties. They may get one weekend off per month, if they are lucky. For their dedication they are forced to take unpaid days off and work extra duty on some holidays. None came on the job and went immediately to exempt. That is a recent anomaly. The reward for all the days away from home and family is the pension. They are not the enemy in this. Politicians are trying to divide and conquer.

2/17/2011 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see how many pensions will Rahm get when he retires? I can't believe no one asked him how many he qualifies for right now!

2/17/2011 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTF

2/17/2011 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous SumRandumCopper said...

Off Topic:

Keep an eye on Wisconsin.


Wisconsin Gov Goes After Collective Barganing for Public Employees.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110216/ap_on_re_us/us_wisconsin_budget_unions_15

2/17/2011 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a cop, I can see the point of a surgeon who can make millions in private practice but still, if the salary is posted and listed and you do not want the gig, do not take it. Also whoever wrote the pension law for politicians must have been smoking weed to get that passed. How can you get 85% of your salary, boosted by a two week gig for a freaking part time office gig where you do not take phone calls or emails or respond to letters? Cancel pension for politicians.

2/17/2011 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. Most, if not all the members listed have at least 30 years or more of sworn police service. In order for an exempt member to secure a gold braid pension he must work in the exemt ranks 3 years and a day, four years for the maximum benefit. Most members on the list were exemt over 8 years. A typical exempt member's regular work day starts at about 10/12 hours without overtime pay, and goes up from their. After their regular work day they have call out duties. They may get one weekend off per month, if they are lucky. For their dedication they are forced to take unpaid days off and work extra duty on some holidays. None came on the job and went immediately to exempt. That is a recent anomaly. The reward for all the days away from home and family is the pension. They are not the enemy in this. Politicians are trying to divide and conquer.

2/17/2011 02:30:00 PM


You almost had me shedding a tear for our poor overworked and totally deserving exempts. Almost.

I can count many on that list who now have spots paying over $100,000 yearly and who are still collecting over 100k in pensions.

Must be payback for all those rough shifts they had in their office answering the phone and giving those nice inside jobs to their fellow downtrodden commander's sons and daughters, girlfriends, mistresses and wives.

Phew, I feel like maybe writing a letter or something for all the hard times those commanders have had.

And what about this "revised" list still listing deceased exempt positions as receiving a pension? i wouldn't bet against it, not on this department, the most corrupt in the country.

One thing I never got in that retirement seminar, how do I get one of those nice paying jobs? Not the ones in Wal-Mart of as a security guard on midnights for $12.00 an hour but those good ones working for the state or CTA?

And how many years will my family get my full pension after I am dead? Joe Curtin is still listed, so is Matt Casey. I believe they both had funerals.

2/17/2011 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll CONSIDER discussing concessions when every fkn active/retired politician and gold braid hack boss leads by example and falls on the sword first!
You give back half of your thieving pensions and retiree benefits and THEN AND ONLY THEN can you come to us asking for sacrifice!
In other words, all of you can kiss my measly patrolmans' pension ass!

2/17/2011 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Show the list of politicians and THEIR fucking pensions! Why the fuck doesn't this EVER come up? They "work" for four years and get a state pension for life! Bullshit!

2/17/2011 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. Most, if not all the members listed have at least 30 years or more of sworn police service. In order for an exempt member to secure a gold braid pension he must work in the exemt ranks 3 years and a day, four years for the maximum benefit. Most members on the list were exemt over 8 years. A typical exempt member's regular work day starts at about 10/12 hours without overtime pay, and goes up from their. After their regular work day they have call out duties. They may get one weekend off per month, if they are lucky. For their dedication they are forced to take unpaid days off and work extra duty on some holidays. None came on the job and went immediately to exempt. That is a recent anomaly. The reward for all the days away from home and family is the pension. They are not the enemy in this. Politicians are trying to divide and conquer.

2/17/2011 02:30:00 PM

I am a police officer and will never be exempt or even a sgt on this job and I agree with you. We may not like everyone on the list but 99% of the police worked for their pensions. It is only since Supt. Cline and now Weis that people have been just given exempt positions without moving up the ranks. This is wrong and this should be stopped. But otherwise this article is just to divide and conquer and looks like its working.

2/17/2011 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike was ranting about how the FOP election was fixed and was going to be stolen away from him. Mike didn't realize that Frank Balestri, a member of the election committee, was present at the roll call. Officer Balestri challenged Mike's comments about the election being fixed. Mike responded by questioning the legitimacy of the FOP election with a name like Balestri on the election committee.
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Mike's ticket did not want unit numbers on the ballot. This was decided in past elections. The officer involved is on the election committee, but he did not decide the question an arbitrator did. The copper in not part of the city-wide ticket and used to be a unit rep and may still be one. The Union to be fair took all members out of the decision and had an arbitrator there for the candidates meeting. He made the decision to keep what has been decised for the past five elections in force.

Mike did not recognize the copper that was on the election committee and he made the comment right in front of him. Kind of stuck his foot in his mouth. Since it is the same 90-100 officers that go to all the meetings Mike should known who was on the election committee.

TRP

2/17/2011 06:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exempts cant get unemployment just because they turned 63. Same logic applies to po's who turned 63 and were forced off and they are not eligible for unemployment
Second reason all the exempts just go from this job to another clout job with some govt agency like the city, state . bd of ed, universities There is no break in their jobs

2/17/2011 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. Most, if not all the members listed have at least 30 years or more of sworn police service. In order for an exempt member to secure a gold braid pension he must work in the exemt ranks 3 years and a day, four years for the maximum benefit. Most members on the list were exemt over 8 years. A typical exempt member's regular work day starts at about 10/12 hours without overtime pay, and goes up from their. After their regular work day they have call out duties. They may get one weekend off per month, if they are lucky. For their dedication they are forced to take unpaid days off and work extra duty on some holidays. None came on the job and went immediately to exempt. That is a recent anomaly. The reward for all the days away from home and family is the pension. They are not the enemy in this. Politicians are trying to divide and conquer.

2/17/2011 02:30:00 PM

You forgot the freebees that every exempt receives. Free food, tickets, discounts, free car and gas. There are a lot of perks to being a exempt and the pension is a big reward. Give me a break.

2/17/2011 06:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The politicians keep telling us that we are all in this together yet I don't see them or their friends sharing the pain.

2/17/2011 12:24:00 PM



because we are not all in this together.

2/17/2011 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wake up ans smell the coffee. The 100th Politician and teacher makes about 178K, and Cline is the highest police at 147K?? The unanswered question is how many more are between 147 and 178K? Another hundred? Two hundred? The bunching gets closest at the lower numbers?
And gold braid??? I think at least numbers 94 thru 100 on the police list are retired captains folks. So wake up and smell the coffee.
The enemy is not us, it is the politicians and teachers pensions trying to divide us.

2/17/2011 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i never knew illinois had so many scholars to draw such a pension.............


and who the fuck are the nameless 35???


and i have to look at quinn with his illinois governor banner on. what a moron.

2/17/2011 07:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the post...All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. bla bla bla that was posted on 2/17/2011 02:30:00 PM

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GO FUCK YOURSELF boss!!!

How do you explain D/C Mike Cronin who worked 30+ years as a gang crimes specialist/detective and at the very end of his career Cline bumps him to commander and then deputy.

Just so everyone is on board with the MATH Cronin's pension should be maxe around $95,000 (as a maxed out detective at 75%) which would put him at a yearly pension of $ 71,250. Let me say nobody will argue he wasn't a hard workin copper/a great policeman and he deserves every penny of his deserved pension.

HOWEVER FUCK STICK, because Cline decided to pad his friend's pension with those end of the career promotions Cronin now gets $105,028 a year.

So "boss" you're telling us he deserves an extra $33,778 bump a year for the rest of his life because he was friends with CLINE???

Let me be the first to say YOU (Gold stars) ARE THE ENEMY AND GO FUCK YOURSELFS!!!

2/17/2011 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the exempts on this list that retired by November of 2009, have actually received a 6% cola raise since this pension list was published. 3% December 2010 and another 3% January 2011. As stated, these exempts have paid into the pension for approximately 30 or more years and deserve it. I retired November 2009. I paid my dues, working long hours, taking unpaid days and being on call 24 hours a day.

2/17/2011 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gold braid is nothing but political pork for going along.

2/17/2011 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats with "name Witheld"?

2/17/2011 09:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. Most, if not all the members listed have at least 30 years or more of sworn police service. In order for an exempt member to secure a gold braid pension he must work in the exemt ranks 3 years and a day, four years for the maximum benefit. Most members on the list were exemt over 8 years. A typical exempt member's regular work day starts at about 10/12 hours without overtime pay, and goes up from their. After their regular work day they have call out duties. They may get one weekend off per month, if they are lucky. For their dedication they are forced to take unpaid days off and work extra duty on some holidays. None came on the job and went immediately to exempt. That is a recent anomaly. The reward for all the days away from home and family is the pension. They are not the enemy in this. Politicians are trying to divide and conquer.

2/17/2011 02:30:00 PM

Your right they all are not the enemy but the reward for doing that also includes the extra pay. And were you forced to take the job? I doubt it. You surely must have known that it would include long days at times and being away from your family. These gold braid and brass bill pensions in the CPD and CFD are what are hurting us in our departments. The city isnt paying their share of them like they were suppose to and they probably never will either. We should all get a pension at our career service rank and thats it!!!!!!
Or better yet you want to keep a lot of the back stabbing down and the fucking over the next guy to get ahead and get these spots make eveyone get a blue shirt pension.

2/17/2011 09:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All exempts on the current list of 100 contributed to the pension fund from day one of their police careers. Most, if not all the members listed have at least 30 years or more of sworn police service. In order for an exempt member to secure a gold braid pension he must work in the exemt ranks 3 years and a day, four years for the maximum benefit. Most members on the list were exemt over 8 years. A typical exempt member's regular work day starts at about 10/12 hours without overtime pay, and goes up from their. After their regular work day they have call out duties. They may get one weekend off per month, if they are lucky. For their dedication they are forced to take unpaid days off and work extra duty on some holidays. None came on the job and went immediately to exempt. That is a recent anomaly. The reward for all the days away from home and family is the pension. They are not the enemy in this. Politicians are trying to divide and conquer



Are you serious. You are either a gold star or a district secretary. Everyone on that list is clouted up the ass. Merit after merit promotion. Culminating with a pension that is higher than any patrolmans salary. They are the poster boys for what is wrong with our pension system. Little or no responsibility once they were handed the gold star. Heres a suggestion have them max out their pension at Lt pay. Divide and conquer? Ha patrolman already hate gold stars anyway. Because there are very few that are woth a shit. there was maybe five at most bosses on that list that you would want to work for.

2/17/2011 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8th dist caps lady Jane F@*$#^ posing with zaluski on flyers. What a joke!

Go do some CAPS work! instead of trying to get this jerk elected!

Yeah vote for the merit SGT that used to run the caps office instead.

2/17/2011 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They say that the city has not been puting their share into the pension, that is the problem. Well I don't believe it cause we have TRUSTEES that would have told us about it since it was going on for all those years RIGHT, RIGHT? Somebody needs to go to jail right next to that Bernie Madoff guy.

2/17/2011 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone making a pension over $100,00 per year should be cut down to $100,000 per year.

Anyone can survive laying on the couch all day with that kind of salary.

That will clear up the deficit real quick.

2/17/2011 11:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You also have to remember when these high roller pension earners die, their spouse gets half of that until he/she dies.

Wouldn't your spouse live comfortably on $180,000 a year?

2/17/2011 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love that people like Tommy Byrne are collecting over $100K a year in police pension money and are still working for the City as Streets and San boss and pulling down another huge salary while building up another pension. What about double-dipping? Of course, the hacks in our news bureaus yack about the grunts and our selfish stubbornness in trying to hang onto our meager pensions.


Our pensions are pimples on an elephant's behind compared to the clout-heavy beings on the CPD list. Isn't it just typical of the Teachers to keep their names off the list so we can't see what BS jobs get those huge pensions.

What a sick joke this is!!!

2/18/2011 05:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Tha Communist Party said...

Anyone making a pension over $100,00 per year should be cut down to $100,000 per year.

That will clear up the deficit real quick.

2/17/2011 11:30:00 PM

Correct Comrade. We knew you would see the light and come around to OUR way of thinking.

2/18/2011 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't your spouse live comfortably on $180,000 a year?

2/17/2011 11:31:00 PM



hell, she'll live comfortably just because i'm gone.

2/18/2011 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ain't that guy Shields in charge of the pension fund?

2/18/2011 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/17 8:28 pm

Bullshit!!! You got the big bucks while you had the gold star. When you retire you should have to retire on your highest tested rank not some bullshit clout promotion. I am almost done with my 30 years and as I look down that list I see many just like you who had good spots and clout jobs most of their careers and I remember most who never did shit to deserve the big bucks. Just seeing some of those exempts on there makes most guys who were workers sick to their stomachs. How about Frank "the Rat" or Harry "the Whore Chaser" you gonna tell me they deserve those big pensions. You are a typical bullshit talking, clout baby gold star, who actually believes you were the "Police" and did something special to deserve that big bloated pension. Hey Boss, Fuck You and all your fellow gold star assholes just like you.
Remember my fellow p.o.'s someday good old Penny and others just as incompetent as her will also be on that list.

2/18/2011 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the exempts on this list that retired by November of 2009, have actually received a 6% cola raise since this pension list was published. 3% December 2010 and another 3% January 2011. As stated, these exempts have paid into the pension for approximately 30 or more years and deserve it. I retired November 2009. I paid my dues, working long hours, taking unpaid days and being on call 24 hours a day.

2/17/2011 08:28:00 PM

You ignorant cock sucker, FUCK YOU! You did not have to become an exempt, but it was something you wanted and sought and had your clout front for you. The extra pay while you were working should be enough of a reward for you. And we all paid our dues, NOT JUST YOU! You make me sick, you pompous ass! I was pushing a beat car for 35 years and putting up with incompetent white-shirts while you were playing grab-ass with your secretary. Fuck you! You are nothing but a jagoff with an unearned exhorbitant pension.

2/18/2011 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the exempts on this list that retired by November of 2009, have actually received a 6% cola raise since this pension list was published. 3% December 2010 and another 3% January 2011. As stated, these exempts have paid into the pension for approximately 30 or more years and deserve it. I retired November 2009. I paid my dues, working long hours, taking unpaid days and being on call 24 hours a day.


With a free car, free gas, free insurance, secretary/driver, enhanced networking opportunities, administrative time, etc. . . .

2/18/2011 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ask alderman burke ,if money was appropriated for pensions,why did they do with it.

2/18/2011 02:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the "kid" who thinks he can run the FOP should be doing his job at the Pension Board and represent those of us who just get a patrolman's pension. Maybe "kid" you should shut your mouth and spend some time downstate in Springfield working on changing this shit where some "clout heavy" gold star is allowed the huge pension off of our money. Maybe do your job to change this and protect our pension and then maybe some day you'll deserve to represent us as FOP president.

2/18/2011 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your being generous with Cronin's pension and saying the det salarary around 95,000 Next year in 2012 top Det pay is 93,000 and that wouldnt count until the beginning of 2013 after he earned it in 2012 and you also have to remember its the last 4 years Hed be lucky to average 90,000 but whats a few thousand when you kick it up with exempt pay Dont even take into account all the overtime earned as a detective that was paid out at exempt pay

2/18/2011 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the wise ass retired exempts actually think they deserve such large pensions and benefits. That is the sad part of it. Yes, and we keep supporting some of them because they are " nice people", we buy tickets to their promotion and retirement parties. Keep it up. Now you know what they really think of you. I even had one retired deputy chief who I have know since we came on the job, is now retired, and wanted me to call him, "deputy" when I saw him. GFY.

2/18/2011 07:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I even had one retired deputy chief who I have know since we came on the job, is now retired, and wanted me to call him, "deputy" when I saw him. GFY.

2/18/2011 07:01:00 PM




so, address him as 'Deputy Dawg'.

2/19/2011 01:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't help, giving me their incomes, if you fail to tell me which ones are single or incapacitated. A little help please.

2/19/2011 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't buy a fucking thing on the internet. I'm not kidding.

2/19/2011 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't even have my damn retro check. They're in for one fucking surprise. I'm getting (got) my own attorney. I want the interest. He's also getting me all the interest on the insurance they over-charged me for. Fuck you Daley. You tranny little bitch.

2/19/2011 06:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the "kid" who thinks he can run the FOP should be doing his job at the Pension Board and represent those of us who just get a patrolman's pension. Maybe "kid" you should shut your mouth and spend some time downstate in Springfield working on changing this shit where some "clout heavy" gold star is allowed the huge pension off of our money. Maybe do your job to change this and protect our pension and then maybe some day you'll deserve to represent us as FOP president.


On of the best is when John Thomas first deputy died at home from a heart attack, the pension board made it a duty death the wife was taking care of for life- she gets his full pay and when she is 63 she will get his FULL pension. John Thomas was a friend of Daley. clout is a beautiful thing.

2/19/2011 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cut the balls off Chicago P.Os who spent 20 years or more collecting tax free income on disability only to miracuously heal in order to get a job with the CCSP and collect another pension after 10 years of doing nothing

2/19/2011 09:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't help, giving me their incomes, if you fail to tell me which ones are single or incapacitated. A little help please.

2/19/2011 06:49:00 AM



the Black Widow Returns....

2/19/2011 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cline gave a gold star pension to his buddy, in grade rank PO!!

There was a bill to change the gold star pensions to in grade pension, what ever happened to it?

Start there with pension reform

2/20/2011 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous 29 year retired sergeant said...

Take a boss who makes $105,438 from that list. If he or she lives another 20 years with the 3% cola, that pension becomes $190,433 per yr.

Not bad

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NO

The 3% is NOT compounded and you only get the 3% over 20 years max.

For instance you retire at at 55 you only get the 3% until you reach 75.

If you are a sergeant with 29 years of service like me you will get an increse of $91 a month each year for 20 years . . .
then..
hope you can still pass out shopping carts at Walmart.

2/20/2011 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2/19 9:38pm

Sounds like you are full of shit. If on duty disability p.o.'s are not allowed by the law to work another law enforcement job that gives a pension without giving up their disability pension. Now if this alleged mythical person you talk about truly exists then at least have the balls to prove your allegation by citing this persons name and the new position they hold with the CCSP. Now if they went and got this alleged job with CCSP after they retired with the CPD then it is their right to use their "clout" to get any job they want.

Ignorant assholes like you who come on here and spew bullshit against our disabled p.o.'s do nothing but create animosity and make it harder on those who are on duty disability. Remember asshole if you really are the "police" that "But for the Grace of God goes I."

2/20/2011 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Thomas was not a friend of Daley. He was a friend of the Italian person who owned Harlem Irving Park shopping center. That person was a friend of Daley and that is why John Thomas got the job. He was a great guy with clout.

2/20/2011 12:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

True the 3% is not compounded but there is no li9mit on the number of years you can collect it. A few years back it was changed Originally you could only get the 3% Cola for 10 years, but now there is no time limit

2/20/2011 08:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Black Widow never left.

2/20/2011 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems the officer on disability is a bit sensitive. Yes, there are many on this list that truely deserve it and wish that they could come back to work. But, there are a few, probably more then a few, who should not be on this list. I do know two officers who were badly injured and spent nearly 20 years on the disability rolls. They did come back to work and worked three years to boost their retirement. If they wer magically cured or not I cannot say, I am not their doctor. So, it is not beyond belief that an officer can come off of disability, retire and then take another government job.

2/21/2011 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How did coming back to work boost their retirement? If they were on duty disability for being hurt then all those years the city paid into their pensions and when it comes time to retire they would go out at their present rank with all their seniority. They never lost a step raise or their rank so there is no need to come back to work to "boost their retirement." Another know nothing bullshit made up comment from just another uninformed copper. Sure wish all you know it alls would read the contracts and the law so you might actually come on here and know what you are talking about.

2/23/2011 09:17:00 AM  

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