Watch Yourselves Again
Another silly idea from the brain trust:
- In districts beat officers are being given a humper like sheet of paper called the "watch commanders action report" This piece of paper consists of 3 sections where a specific problem on the beat is pointed out and officers are expected to check the location. this is all well and good but when checking on individuals we are asked to knock on doors of Trap (repeat offenders>) offenders with extensive criminal backgrounds, as well as subjects on parole, and a large assortment of others.
This idea thought up by downtown ernie Brown ( 22 total arrests in his career) sole purpose is to let offenders know that we the police are watching them. most offenders are not wanted and we have no probable cause to door knock, ernie just wants us to harass these individuals. not only will the city not back us when a beef comes down but the issue of officer safety is huge.
If possible please pass this info on to your readers and let them know when they are given one of these sheets and it asks to check for a previously arrested individuals make sure they do their homework. Run a name check and cqh inquiry (criminal history) check. Know what type of individual you are dealing with. And if there is no warrant and no investigative alert with probable cause to arrest do not harass these subjects as we are not in the scare tactic business. simply circle the no contact made box.
As working coppers we have no problem dealing with the shitbags but all within reason. this report which is being force fed down lieutenants, and captains at the district level serves no purpose other to make Down town ernie Brown look good. In turn the bosses are feeding them to us.
Institutional harassment? Yeah, that's going to go over really well with Corp Counsel and the Courts. And didn't those "humpers" die when Maurer left? Nope - they're still here - just like CAPS - the zombie paperwork.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Not a fan of Downtown Ernie, but he definitely has more than 22 total career arrests. Keep in mind many of us with time on the job made plenty of arrests that were not recorded in the clear system. There was a police department prior to computers and nobody ever went back through the paper files and added activity from before the implementation of clear.
I know coppers with more arrest than the entire combined exempt staff.
off topic. i would love to see the arrest totals for other merit-cloutorious bosses. i'm sure even henny penny has more heads than e.b.
"...if there is no warrant and no investigative alert with probable cause to arrest do not harass these subjects as we are not in the scare tactic business. simply circle the no contact made box."
Yeah, really, IDOC has parole officers to supervise parolees, and either the police are after someone or they're not.
Sending officers around to f__k with people is gonna result in a whole lotta nothin' -- he don't live here, door doesn't open, door gets slammed, officers get motherf___ked and the door gets slammed...do this in the summer and 17 people will come out of the apartment yelling and the houses on each side will start to empty into the street too -- and maybe worse.
Lowy and Lowy will have a field day, and maybe the Black Panthers "neighborhood self-defense organization" will re-form...
Go around poking a stick into every hole you see and it's guaranteed that something'll come at you and try to bite your face off...
This is stupid.
When an administration is on its way out, things usually wind down, cool off, are wrapped up, put on hold. This bunch accelerates the bulls__t every day!
Yeah, don't get hurt. Check the no se box and take lunch.
Brilliant. EB is just brilliant.
Next he'll want you to look through the windows of the residence for dope and guns "in plain view" and type a search warrant.
This piece of dung has got to go.
most offenders are not wanted and we have no probable cause to door knock, ernie just wants us to harass these individuals.
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I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...
The California Supreme court just ruled it IS unconstitional to ask a credit card holder for their zip code or address during a transaction.
The SCOTUS RULED GUN REGISTRATION OR CONFISCATION IS UNCONSTIONAL BUT,
Shortshanks said phuck you to the court.
How did Downtown get their address and why is he asking us to violate our oath to do what for who and why?
HEY ASSHOLY I DON,T LIKE EM EITHER. BUT I WOULD HATE TO MAKE EM RICH.
Which corporate councillor reviewed this shite!
It'll only be a matter of time before someone gets wrongly hassled and/or arrested under questionable circumstances. We all know what comes next...
As part of their Civil Rights lawsuit against you and your partner (and anyone else within a mile of the paperwork), the likes of the Loevy brothers will subpoena records to see who pulled up the choir boy's criminal history "fo nuffin". The ugly possibilities are endless and limited only by the tenacity of shitbag's counsel.
As CPD history has consistently proven, expect any and all Bossholes even remotely associated with this catastrophe-in-the-making to disavow any knowledge of or participation in this latest fuckery (thank you!, Box Chevy Phantom). Be fully prepared to twist in the wind "99", while your fate is decided by some liberal, biased, brain-dead socialist policymakers that have been conditioned to dislike and distrust the police.
A suggestion would be to refuse to accept the "humper like sheet of paper called the 'watch commanders action report'" when some uneducated supervisor tries to hand it to you. Politely decline participating in such Gestapo-like policing methods, citing your own freedom as motivation for "non-compliance". Supervisory persistence of your participation should be demanded to be put in writing by any and all requestors.
There is absolutely NO way anyone can make you do stupid shit like this. And those that volunteer to conform to such stupidity for fear of being bounced off "their" car (or any other reason) need to be schooled real quick by some of the old school guys and gals.
This is a bad idea any way you slice it.
Yeah...
Downtown jest fit'n to run-it fo' real tho, so he had to come up with a l'il sump'm - sump'm to justify his existence.
Watch what happens when the very first copper ends up sideways on this bullshit. The department WILL make a very loud and vivid example with a public gut ream with a sheaf of G/O's and shouts of "you knew better."
Same as it ever was...
Spewing silly shit designed to get coppers caught up because they're just flat refusing to be easy targets for Department purges and head-hunts.
...See how they run trying to "look busy" and be all "impotant" an' shit before the music stops playing and the scramble to find a chair begins.
We can't wait for soon coming fun at 3510...
The sobbing, cursing and group hugging in the halls.
The random, muffled single gunshots from behind closed doors.
The crunch of capsules between gritted teeth.
The sound of shoes on the wrong feet running on air as the chair falls over.
Exempt sedans and suv's found in various forest preserves...
Rotten, dead-dog muthafuckahs being accosted by "higher authorities" with gold shields in the parking lot as they run for their cars trying to make good their escape.
Heh.
Heh heh...
Heh heh heh...
Those who were pointed and laughed at will be pointing and laughing themselves soon enough.
You have got to be kidding me 22 arrests in his whole career? Say it ain't so! How many does J-Fed have? So the never was the police are leading the working copper and coming up with BS for the real police to live by. By any standard, if an out side observer looked in and saw a sworn member of the department as boss with less than 200 arrests, you should throw them out!
And when the police show up at "innocent" dude's crib on a second occasion, the police will be arrested for stalking.
EB is alot of things but there is one indisputable fact for the people that have worked for him and with him... He is the MF'N POLICE. There is a difference between knocking and doing a premise check for an offender and harassing him/her. Days already makes checks for sex offenders. The guys on the TRAP list are KILLERS. We should be proactive in alerting them of our presence. Ive noticed that alot of problems on beats are swept under the rug. Things that we can make a difference on, things that effects everyones safety in the district; citizens and police alike. I complain about alot of stuff in this department but I'm never afraid to do my job. There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers. F*%k the supv's I aint the Police for them. I'm the Police for me.
This sounds like a lawsuit in the making. Why go around looking for a fight or someone to call and beef....Makes no sense...
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
Just put a pod-cam in front of their house if you want them to know that the police are watching them that's all you do.
You know we have to be tech savvy!
When is management going to 'get it' and stop unnecessarily wasting so much needed manpower.
You set it up so the cam can be viewed on an Ipod and give the job to Alderman Burke's six man private detail so they can actually do something with their time, earn their money and be productive for the cities taxpayers.
With these type of intimidation and surveillance tactics, does this mean downtown brown is bringing back the red squad?
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
2/15/2011 03:16:00 AM
Might want to read the fine print......
They sign away their rights on parole to IDOC...not CPD.
We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them..
Except the ordinary citizen does not wear a uniform that shows they are the police.
Unless you can back up on paper why you were knocking on an individuals door, don't.
Making a notification, doing a check the well being, canvassing an area or just simply answering a call all can be justififed when you are sitting on the stand after being accused of violating some shit head's rights.
I will call for a supervisor on each and every one. No sense in being all alone on that lawsuit.
This isn't rocket science. Pull up to the address and park there for 2 minutes, then leave. GPS will show you at the address.
No contact made. 19-P
Let EB go first.
Where's the ACLU now?
Probation officers go to offenders homes to check them, dont know if that is where he got that idea
There are police officers that will use this information correctly and be glad to have it. There are police officers that cannot.
Handle accordingly. (another phrase for The Chicago Code. No charge!)
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
2/15/2011 03:16:00 AM
what's the illinois statute? or when can i find this in writing?
I have worked with and know Erinie before I retired. He was the police, he worked hard and always had a good attitude. There are just too many people ready to complain about anything and want to bring back the "ol days" of pulling the box. Yes, I did that before I retired! We had pull boxes in the old Marquette station in 1971!!This tactic of letting these really bad guys know the police are watching has been used successfully in many other cities. It is a sad fact that the CPD does not think these things up themselves, but borrow from other departments. As, I said, the real issue here is to get these beat officers to own their beats and get out of their cars. Most do not even stay on their beats for a few hours a day.
Just write in the appropriate box " no PC no contact". If you knock on dudes door every day you can bet your ass Loevy & Loevy will be knocking on yours. Then after sitting in call back for 3 yrs and several trips to the Federal Building you'll be wondering "how the Fu*# did this happen to me?!". Trust me, IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!
Didn't we lose an officer about 15 years ago on the North side. The officer was attempting to serve a civil suit (for littering) on a reclusive elderly man. The man shot and killed the officer as he knocked on the door. I think the incident happened on N. Ridgeway St.
This shit is nothing even remotely new. I remember about 5 years ago Area gang teams being forced to do shit like this. The bullshit ended real fast after one of the shitbirds lawyers called to complain. The Lt and Sgt acted like they didn't even know what was going on and left the PO's in the wind. That ended the program real quick.
This program is at least on paper. The Supt, DC, and WC won't be able to wiggle out if a lawsuit comes down.
There is nothing wrong with targeting specific assholes but don't harass them. Catch them dirty!!! The CPD has been doing that since it's inception.
I bet even Crystal Brett has more than 22 arrests.
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I can tell when somebody has never gone thru the process of being on the wrong end of a lawsuit. The depositions, the meetings with the Corp. Council, certain dept. members that will act like they are on the shibags side for any number of fucked up reasons. And the dept. that shows you how much they back you. If it goes to trial that's alot of fun. I understand that we all face bullshit lawsuits for anything we do during a tour, it is Chicago and our politician friends made it easy for the lawyers who only sue the police. I know you can't do your job worrying about lawsuits but for pete's sake don't make it easy for these scumbags!
Please stop with E was the real police crap. He's a rogue cop backed by corrupt politicians and gangster reverends. His idea of being the real police means do whatever the hell you want and disregard policy and law. Because it worked for him and he got away with it and he knows no other way.
I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...
2/15/2011 12:33:00 AM
You might want to join that Officer at the academy! When we do sex offender checks or parole checks that's on thing. However going to the residince of a person because they were previously arrested is close to intimidation! "I just want you to know were in the area." Soo as your in civil court and pookie's atty ask you "Did you go to every door on the block to announce your presence? or just pookie's door?" Your done! Be smart EB is a shitbag! who will use and discard every man and woman on this job to get what he wants! Personally I will not be in court because of his dumb ass or his dumb shit!
The concept is valid if it applies to registered sex offenders who must report address changes and sometimes do not. However, all other "house calls" must involve two man teams. I have a feeling this will lead to numerous on-view arrests, and if properly documented will drag exempts into the lawsuits that may follow.
Anonymous said...
most offenders are not wanted and we have no probable cause to door knock, ernie just wants us to harass these individuals.
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I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...
2/15/2011 12:33:00 AM
Tell that to Cozzi. One mistake or CR# and you will pay for the mistake. Until there is a street wise leader that will support his officers, then 19P. The penalties are too high for any rule violation. Play the game until you have a boss that will back us up.
22 arrests? Was his name at the top or the bottom of the page? just axin!
I think that the real story here is that NOT ONE of the two thousand white shirts between us and Ernie Brown, stood up and said NO. Each one of them said, F the next guy below me, im passing this buck. Thanks "Boss "
Nothing like knocking on the doors of last known addresses of offenders with three year old active investigative alerts/warrants at 3am!
Come to 023 and check out all the extra mission forms, activity reports, and now these forms that Capt TL hands out daily to his 3rd watch. If this guy was downtown we'd be handing in a 1/2" stack of extra paper every day.
I think that point of the poster is that this is not really a patrol function to be handled by 1 2-man car. If we're targeting serious (TRAP) people then there should be a part of a unit - MSF, TRU, dicks, Fugitives - that does this as their daily duties; and does it the right way. You cannot constantly burden the beat cops with all this nonsense and still expect that the regular policing - 911 calls, prelim investigations, traffic, etc get done. D.C. Metro PD once had a Repeat Ofnd Program that did the same thing as Downtown's idea but it was led by a Lt. and had 30 people in the unit. And they took a lot of bad guys off the street. So, if you're going to implment a new program, do it the right way.
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
2/15/2011 03:16:00 AM
If i'm not misstaking that applies to IDOC parole agents, such as when they can show up to any parolees residence without a search warrant.
EB spent much of his early career in the IAD, so 22 arrests is quite possible.
There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers. F*%k the supv's I aint the Police for them. I'm the Police for me.
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One thing's for sure. You ain't gonna be the police for long.
If there is one thing in common between every shithead that was ever beaten by a police officer who was later fired or imprisoned for doing it, is that they all "needed it."
Good luck in your future job. You'll make a great pee wee football coach.
Maybe you could sell Amway or some herbal life while going door to door as well. Might as well make a buck or two. BTW who's going to knock on Blagos door?
What about some evangalism, seems some brass hats might want you to spread the good word while marketing and checking that box.
this seems almost too way out to be believable..... hasn't this city had to pay out way too much cash to these shitbirds already? seems to me the city would rather pay millions to useless shitbirds who have no respect for the police or the everyday citizens of chicago. when will this pure garbage end?
I am the person who posted this thread and to the person who wanted to correct me about probable cause.
I did not mean to infer or state that you needed probable cause to be able to go and knock on someones door. You are obviously a house mouse because if you were a working copper you like all the other posters/coppers would have read between the lines to understand where I am going with this
we are told to knock on doors of trap offenders who have been arrested for serious crimes. we as police officers want to know what is the purpose of these actions.
they want us to plant the thought into the trap offenders that the police have their eyes on them and they are being watched, thats it !
without a warrant, or an investigative alert with probable cause to arrest we as law enforcement officers are armed with nothing and we have just harrassed the shitbird we try so hard to put behind bars.
what they are asking us to do is ludicrous and has no police purpose.
and mr/mrs/miss house mouse when the cr comes down who do you think will have to deal with it ? ahh yes you figured that out, the worker bee who knocked on shit birds door without pc of any kind.
dont try to deflect whats going on here. you obviously work at 35th st and are going to be looking for a beat car when house cleaning starts.
in a nutshell boys and girls do your homework, get an event number and stay down on this nonsense, use it to get you to lunch, end of tour, whatever you think works best for you.
the most important thing to do is make sure you, your partner and your co workers go home safe at the end of the night.
make this job work for you and protect yourselves , with your equipment and your brain.
be safe and be smart
and to the house mouse good luck, you will need it !
off topic. i would love to see the arrest totals for other merit-cloutorious bosses. i'm sure even henny penny has more heads than e.b.
2/15/2011 12:22:00 AM
I've gotten more top-level head(s) than any of 'em. Phat Phil and "CAPS" Chuckles can verify.
Someone drop one in the mail to the ACLU.
I would but our bureau doesn't have these.
Let dt EB splain to the world how this is legal with out pc.
Even when on parole they go to the parole officer.
those used to be called Special attentions
Nothings changed
Might as well bring back the Red Squad.
most offenders are not wanted and we have no probable cause to door knock, ernie just wants us to harass these individuals.
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I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...
2/15/2011 12:33:00 AM
Hey dip shit, the scope changed when the department gave you a name and address. That is an investigation, the average citizen doesn't have a name or history of individuals at a random address.
Is each address a one time visit or is it expected that each watch will go thru the list and repeat daily. Citizens rarely knock on a random door more than once.
just park on the block for a half hour and get an event number.
make sure u go down.
these white shirts love paper but dont want u to go down on anything because even they know its B.S
You mean to tell me the rev.s aren't sreaming about civil rights being violated? Oh that's right E.B. thought this one up,that's ok.
This is not police work knocking on the door of an unwanted previously charged offender,if the department wants a record of who answers and who's knocking they should set up a special unit of door knockers....between the detectives and special surveillance units let them find out if these goofs live where they live....when someone gets hurt on this bullshit who's gonna answer to it's importance?
Call FOP first and let them know what is goig on, then tell your rep. you will do this only if given a direct order and then note it on the log. Who, When and where the order was given and witnesses. Then it aint gonna happen.
When you bring shit to somebodies door and they throw shit at you and the shit hits the fan,you gonna have to explain why the shit happened at their house...why you were there ....well I was just checking to see if they were home....why officer.....did you have probable cause or a warrant or investigative alert....anything at all? No?!?!Well let see we will have to award the defendant $$$ 1000,000 gazillion dollars cause you had no cause being there,also some punitive damages as well!what's your house worth?
most offenders are not wanted and we have no probable cause to door knock, ernie just wants us to harass these individuals.
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I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Knock and their door and talk to them about what, genius? Shall we tell them 'we are only here because D/S Brown told us to knock on your door and tell you that you better not forget that we are the real police?'
Furthermore - We all know that these subjects use 50 addresses. So how many doors are you going to knock on until you find your guy? How many residences are you going to disturb and piss off? How many coppers will be looking for the same dude and knocking on all the same doors over and over again?
And - After the first negative location, your subject will be alerted that the police are looking for him. Once in a while a subject will go to the area asking why the police are looking for him, and the detectives will say we have no idea, we don't want you for anything.
Or maybe the really smart detective will say to the subject - oh wait a minute, you could be on D/S Brown's list of bad guys to contact to remind you that we are the real police. That is all, now be on your way young man.
And the absurd cycle will continue. For absolutely no reason other than because EB said so.
From the LIAR he does this bullshit! Hey ernie a big fuck you pos!
SCC you nailed it. OFFICER SAFETY. 0200 Shots fired, arrive on scene,find 15yr old banger on sidewalk w/bullet that went right thro head. By order told to knock on doors, eager beaver found knocking at door for several minutes upset no one is answering. Shooter/murderer later arrested at that house several hours later. When asked what he was doing when P.O. was pounding at the door he said he standing on other side of door with gun in hand seconds away from blasting away. Yea, that witness form is real important. Nothing beats common sense, experience and the knowledge that things can go real fucking bad in a blink of an eye.
Make note of the names of Sergeant that handed it to you (implicit or explicit order to perform this duty) and the on duty WC that day. Write it down on the calender.
take that paper and wipe my ass with it after about 10 sliders...
if it was 1968 forward, it would be great.. Times changed, can't be politically incorrect now can we ???
Lovey and Lovey's Year over year earnings must have fallen like a rock. All the pols that got cuts from the plaintiff's earnings are thirsty. Doesn't the city council approve the payouts...I mean settlements? So they concoct some new way to get us out there to get sued. Does that REALLY sound so far fetched....in Chciago????.....
Anonymous said...
I know coppers with more arrest than the entire combined exempt staff.
2/15/2011 12:15:00 AM
that aint hard.
There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it.
Ok, "Boss". you first. Turn off the TV in the office and show me how it's done. You got box 1....
Can you get a legal bulletin, please?
http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/3506277-1.html
Illinois Supreme Courts says search of parolee at traffic stop was constitutional
Jan 2006. I Doubt this would stand up against US v Gant now.
This sounds like a lawsuit in the making. Why go around looking for a fight or someone to call and beef....Makes no sense...
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion
Makes you want to see that agreement before you act . . .
If they are not wanted why go knock on the door? If you see shit bird on the street stop them, go through them and do a name check to see if anything was added.We in the working districts know who these assholes are. I don't care what anybody says this can and will be seen as a violation of someone's civil rights, especially if he "paid his debt to society". I'm all for putting these shit birds in jail but I'm not willing to give up my house for it. Just another example of someone in a position of authority that has no clue, that's why this department turned into a big bag of steaming shit.
Anonymous said...
EB is alot of things but there is one indisputable fact for the people that have worked for him and with him... He is the MF'N POLICE. There is a difference between knocking and doing a premise check for an offender and harassing him/her. Days already makes checks for sex offenders. The guys on the TRAP list are KILLERS. We should be proactive in alerting them of our presence. Ive noticed that alot of problems on beats are swept under the rug. Things that we can make a difference on, things that effects everyones safety in the district; citizens and police alike. I complain about alot of stuff in this department but I'm never afraid to do my job. There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers. F*%k the supv's I aint the Police for them. I'm the Police for me.
2/15/2011 02:59:00 AM
Dude, your a putz! You don't think the individuals on these lists know were out there? You talk about beat integrity, I can't stay on my beat for more than 10 min. before I'm called to a job on the other side of the district. Get out from behind the desk and back into the streets and show us how it's done warrior boy. If you took this job to "make a difference" your even a bigger putz then I thought.
why should beat guys do this crap?
I THOUGHT J-FLED HAD SPECIAL ELITE PEOPLE TO FIGHT THE FIGHT.
YET AGAIN PATROL DOING THE WORK WITH NO REWARD.
I'm on a tact team, I know that makes me an idiot, but I have a question for SCC. We were instructed to justify our reason for arresting individuals, not just probable cause but to put more in the arrest such as the persons background and to clearly explain why we are arresting this individual. is this not defamation of character? All that is needed for an arrest is probable cause not a summary of the individuals background and my personal opinions of why I am placing an individual under arrest. I would say be very careful this could lead to lawsuits, am I wrong? When I lock up stupid for flashing signs and pcs does the arrest narrative really need more then the facts? I am uncomfortable with putting the individuals background and prior arrest information in the narrative unless it is relevant to the case. When will we get a boss again who can lead and knows the job? Thanks for your feed back and stay safe.
Maybe in the old days, when there were alot of cops on the street and bosses had your back, but now? No fucking way!
"There is a difference between knocking and doing a premise check for an offender and harassing him/her. Days already makes checks for sex offenders. The guys on the TRAP list are KILLERS. We should be proactive in alerting them of our presence. Ive noticed that alot of problems on beats are swept under the rug. Things that we can make a difference on, things that effects everyones safety in the district; citizens and police alike. I complain about alot of stuff in this department but I'm never afraid to do my job. There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers."
--2/15/2011 02:59:00 AM
You know, this is a hell of an argument from a good officer with sincere concern. The whole thing comes down fishy, though, when it's all of sudden in the last days of an administration; it comes off as more grandstanding and power plays -- that the whole Weis/Daley show was made up of -- then actual good programs. Who knows what the next administration will do? This whole thing gets started up now, and then maybe stops halfway over the fence. Duh.
Beats me. The whole atmosphere is increasingly "Don't get jammed up," never good for anyone, and now in the dying rays of the Daley admininstration there is less incentive for any working copper to stick their neck out; the command is doing all the attention-getting and jockeying for position in the next cycle.
Is downtown going to back Officers up when the ACLU wants to jump down are asses for civil rights violations?!
I believe the answer would be NO!
So I would NOT do this stupid idea! Fuck the bosses and what the say or do!
I'm NOT going to violate the U.S. Constitution like Mayor Daley and his minions have for years now!
Come on for pete's sake, this is not the worst idea to emanate from 35th street. It seems to me that good police work requires that beat officers be aware of convicted felons living on their beat, it is simply common sense. The addresses of prison releases are a matter of public record and there is no secrecy to them. At one time prison release sheets were given to individual beats as well as to area headquarters. Everyone of you should know that knocking on a door requires no probable cause. If nobody answers, or just laughs at you through the closed door, leave and forget about it. Under certain circumstances a Terry stop would probably be justified as well. Remember that these are known bad guys.
beat 1732 received one in roll call yesterday....
This ia a complete violation of the rights of these shit bags and as usual it's bosses incouraging this type of action cause they know the shit will fall on the P.O. and they will never be accountable. Where is the reasonable suspicion to knock on their doors and question them? Has a crime been committed, about to be committed, or in the process of being committed? What have they done?
There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers. F*%k the supv's I aint the Police for them. I'm the Police for me.
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puhhleeeeez little dude! We don't need the "how to do it right" speech from a kid who hasn't been around long enough to see the big picture of what's going on in this city if in fact you actually DO hold a star and gun. The mere fact that you think you have to actually tell people here how to police the "tuff guy way" proves this point.
When WE, the actual police, believe that the fuckheaded politicians, the fuckheaded clouted bosses and the fuckheaded residents of this city can't take the criminal element in this city any longer and bow to the intelligence of the real police in this city and ashamedly admit that we were right all along and sign an ironclad contract in perpetuity to keep their fucking fucked up ideas of how the public should be policed to themselves and let US do our jobs the way WE know how to do them without fear of civil or criminal retaliation from politicians, bosses or the public at large, MAYBE, I said MAYBE we'll consider protecting these fucks once again.
Until then, they can sit in the shit they spew on themselves and laugh because I'll do whatever I have to do to go home every night of the week and protect MY family, both in physical safety AND financially.
Go home kid and get your shine box, because the real police don't need your lessons.
Just when you think EB can't come out with anything sillier than some of the grammatically incorrect teletypes he 'issues forth' from his office, he comes up with this silly shit. Ernie, stop trying so hard. No one who knows you has every said you were a brain trust.
Do whatever your 'Deputy Supt.' job entails, but quit straining yourself by trying to appear 'above the crowd' and 'innovative.' It's so NOT you!
I rescind my comment about the special attentions
This is much different
Sorry
And for what it's worth...
What's wrong with having the veritable alphabet soup of special, high speed, low drag, superbly secret, pajama outfit wearing, tree jumping out of, specialized units to do this?
Oh wait...
The smartest, most tech savvy, multilingual, art museum picture gazing, most highly qualified "cuz we be bone-ified" exempt echelon in the the history of CPD have outsmarted themselves into a corner?
Desperate people in positions of authority for whom the end is near are dangerous and WILL GET GOOD PEOPLE HURT just to save their own rotten carcasses.
Pay no attention to the e.b. cheer squad revolving their dentures on the sidelines about being "the real" Police. They're not the ones who will incur any risk when a shit-bird with a sharp lawyer peels the skin off a test case copper's ass.
Now we're dealing with a bunch of people from WITHIN who think coppers are stupid!
Who's the REAL author of this shit?
Did this shit get run by Corpse Counsel?
"Uhh, well... It's pending review, we'll get back to ya."
...Probably NOT!
The Police are all alone out here. Do not give these fools your 6!
Oh yeah, you're welcome WSIDN! Anytime...
Fuckery indeed.
Anonymous said...
most offenders are not wanted and we have no probable cause to door knock, ernie just wants us to harass these individuals.
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I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...
2/15/2011 12:33:00 AM
You need to learn a few things pal. If you think an average ordinary citizen knocking on someone's door and asking questions is the same as a uniformed police officer then you haven't spent much time testifying in court. Any lawyer will tell you it's not the same. There's a perception there. They can argue harrassment, intimidation, fear, etc. etc. I'm not saying we can't do it, but it's surely not the same. And if they aren't wanted, on parole or probation what they hell are you going to talk to them about? Just tell them your boss wanted you to stop by and see if they are behaving.
Ernest is one of the most brightest, knowledgable and charasmatic leaders the police department has ever seen. He reflects duty, honor and integrity by his peers. His ideas are ahead of its time and Ernest will guarentee success.
Signed, Epstein's Mother
"We can't wait for soon coming fun at 3510...
"The sobbing, cursing and group hugging in the halls.
"The random, muffled single gunshots from behind closed doors.
"The crunch of capsules between gritted teeth.
"The sound of shoes on the wrong feet running on air as the chair falls over.
"Exempt sedans and suv's found in various forest preserves..."
--2/15/2011 12:57:00 AM
God, we could hope.
Mayor Daley's "Golden Parachute" is already opening; the little prick is gonna hit the ground running. Just heard on TV news that he plans to spend his retirement traveling around the world giving speeches at $50,000 per.
Leaves me speech-less.
"There is a difference between knocking and doing a premise check for an offender and harassing him/her. Days already makes checks for sex offenders. The guys on the TRAP list are KILLERS. We should be proactive in alerting them of our presence. Ive noticed that alot of problems on beats are swept under the rug. Things that we can make a difference on, things that effects everyones safety in the district; citizens and police alike. I complain about alot of stuff in this department but I'm never afraid to do my job. There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers."
--2/15/2011 02:59:00 AM
Specific legalities or whatever aside, your whole tone here straightened my back out a little today.
This comes from someone who walks the walk, and should be read at roll calls.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
2/15/2011 03:16:00 AM
what's the illinois statute? or when can i find this in writing?
2/15/2011 07:55:00 AM
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730 ILCS 5/3‑3‑7 - and I truly hope you're not the police
Technical Advisor said...
There are police officers that will use this information correctly and be glad to have it. There are police officers that cannot.
Handle accordingly. (another phrase for The Chicago Code. No charge!)
2/15/2011 07:52:00 AM
You left out the word few offiers that will use this information. The majority of beat cops are too busy asnwering calls and handlking missions and special attentions. Keep on dumping on the beat cop. Let TRU and MSF handle it.
Anonymous said...
This sounds like a lawsuit in the making. Why go around looking for a fight or someone to call and beef....Makes no sense...
On the other hand, I picked up this tidbit of info at a recent law update.............Individuals on parole are subject to being stopped and searched without reasonable suspicion or probable cause since the agreement they sign when getting paroled allows it.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
2/15/2011 03:16:00 AM
Some cops knew and used this tactic to get into a house or apartment without a warrant, just bring a parole officer with. That was years ago. I wouldn't try this today without a warrant signed by a Supreme Court Judge and a video team.
We live in an era when the family of a dog shit murderer of a police officer sues and demands an apology.
Fuck that shit. Let the FBI go after the bad guys. I'll check on burglar alarms, write parkers and an occasional mover. And I will stay out of Federal Court.
Try spending about four hours in the offices of Loevy & Loevy to give a deposition and tell me if you feel any differently.
Hey 2/15/2011 09:16:00 AM
---I think that the real story here is that NOT ONE of the two thousand white shirts between us and Ernie Brown, stood up and said NO. Each one of them said, F the next guy below me, im passing this buck. Thanks "Boss " ----
SCREW YOU!!! I'm a boss and I said no. I said this will end all involved parties in Federal court and will not direct my subordinates to do this. You’re a friggin twit and a pussy to boot. Figure out how to do what you’re supposed to do. I can't refuse to take the sheets like another asswipe poster suggested. You refuse and I'll SPAR you. It's that simple. But, with that bullshit out of the way- when you get the sheet, check what offenders are on electronic monitoring and check them in. They have to be at or near the residence. Everyone else is a no contact. If you drive down their block during the tour and see them walking on the public way stop and say hello. If not- you have no reason to knock on their door, so DON'T. Fill in the other special attention activity on your sheet and at the end of your tour turn it in. It's simple. Stop being so fucking defiant and get done what needs to be done. By the way- I have you back, even though you’re a jackass
"I think that the real story here is that NOT ONE of the two thousand white shirts between us and Ernie Brown, stood up and said NO. Each one of them said, F the next guy below me, im passing this buck. Thanks "Boss ""
Listen carefully, you unpromotable moron: When this directive came out last October, your supervisors ALL saw it for what it was worth - a lawsuit waiting to happen. It was almost universally ignored citywide. Now EB has a fit and shoves it down everyone's throats.
So GFY about how your "Boss" wasn't looking out for you.
There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers. F*%k the supv's I aint the Police for them. I'm the Police for me.
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Have fun "kicking the asses that need it". I hope you don't get jammed up and I sincerely mean that. Don't forget that you might be the police for you and your partners but the sup and others that work for him will fuck over in a heartbeat.
As, I said, the real issue here is to get these beat officers to own their beats and get out of their cars. Most do not even stay on their beats for a few hours a day.
It's called the OEC dispatch policy.
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There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers. F*%k the supv's I aint the Police for them. I'm the Police for me.
WOW WOW!
I have no clue what you are smoking, or how green you are but it does not pay to police in this city!!! I believed what you are writing till i was made fun of by new bosses for making petty arrests that actually helped the beat. After that and a pending lawsuit from shitbag, I changed my attitude. There is tons of people in this dept. that lost that drive. Its very hard to turn it off, but it does not pay to be a good proactive police in shitcago.
Don't do it!!!!! You will fall in the trick bag!!!!
My partner and I have been saying this for years, why does this department insist on showing all its cards all of the time? Top Ten Target mission, Operation Just Cause etc. Just opens up a can of worms when you go to court and for what, so some jerk-off boss can show the results to his jerk-off boss and they can think they are really the police? I'm fine with targeting the worst, I'm fine with retribution on a gang that has hurt one of us, but if a Commander or above can't look at an inter departmental report to determine that then fuck em'. It doesn't belong on a court document, period and if they insist on it before signing your arrest report I suggest smiling politely, returning to the report and putting in their trivial bullshit in such fashion: This is a Top Ten Target Mission per Captain XYZ and let him explain it on the stand during cross examination.
Please stop with E was the real police crap. He's a rogue cop backed by corrupt politicians and gangster reverends. His idea of being the real police means do whatever the hell you want and disregard policy and law. Because it worked for him and he got away with it and he knows no other way.
2/15/2011 08:22:00 AM
100 percent correct. his partner Commander Green manages the way he policed. No respect for law or policy
Anonymous said...
This ia a complete violation of the rights of these shit bags and as usual it's bosses incouraging this type of action cause they know the shit will fall on the P.O. and they will never be accountable. Where is the reasonable suspicion to knock on their doors and question them? Has a crime been committed, about to be committed, or in the process of being committed? What have they done?
2/15/2011 04:28:00 PM
When you speak of rights I assume that you mean civil rights. Just what civil right do you deprive someon of by knocking on his door? Is it Life or maybe a property right. Maybe you should learn just what the fuck you are talking about. I seem to remember that the term "Reasonable Suspicion" only applies to Terry stops.
I admit I didn't know that. I always thought you needed at least reasonable suspicion.
2/15/2011 03:16:00 AM
Might want to read the fine print......
They sign away their rights on parole to IDOC...not CPD.
2/15/2011 05:55:00 AM
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Hey dummy you better re-read the fine print--It says they must cooperate with law enforcement!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC you nailed it. OFFICER SAFETY. 0200 Shots fired, arrive on scene,find 15yr old banger on sidewalk w/bullet that went right thro head. By order told to knock on doors, eager beaver found knocking at door for several minutes upset no one is answering. Shooter/murderer later arrested at that house several hours later. When asked what he was doing when P.O. was pounding at the door he said he standing on other side of door with gun in hand seconds away from blasting away. Yea, that witness form is real important. Nothing beats common sense, experience and the knowledge that things can go real fucking bad in a blink of an eye.
2/15/2011 12:09:00 PM
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You are no longer required to fill out a canvass at the scene of an Agg Batt or Homicide. They quit that last year or the year before.
What's wrong with checking to see if the offenders on Gang Probation who have a 7pm curfew are home after 7pm?
This is a paperless job now!
"Most do not even stay on their beats for a few hours a day."
--2/15/2011 08:30:00 PM
Yeah, hard in shorthanded times when they're all that's on the air for a backup and "coming from a distance..."
"I think that point of the poster is that this is not really a patrol function to be handled by 1 2-man car. If we're targeting serious (TRAP) people then there should be a part of a unit - MSF, TRU, dicks, Fugitives - that does this as their daily duties; and does it the right way. You cannot constantly burden the beat cops with all this nonsense and still expect that the regular policing - 911 calls, prelim investigations, traffic, etc get done. D.C. Metro PD once had a Repeat Ofnd Program that did the same thing as Downtown's idea but it was led by a Lt. and had 30 people in the unit. And they took a lot of bad guys off the street. So, if you're going to implement a new program, do it the right way."
--2/15/2011 09:38:00 AM
Excellent. Got it down now, as everyone weighs in. Idea shows good aggressive spirit, but should not be laid on the already overburdened grunts for execution.
We should probably wait to find out if the new mayor and superintendent are animal, vegetable, or mineral before launching any new moon rockets anyway...
I'm on a tact team, I know that makes me an idiot, but I have a question for SCC. We were instructed to justify our reason for arresting individuals, not just probable cause but to put more in the arrest such as the persons background and to clearly explain why we are arresting this individual. is this not defamation of character? All that is needed for an arrest is probable cause not a summary of the individuals background and my personal opinions of why I am placing an individual under arrest. I would say be very careful this could lead to lawsuits, am I wrong? When I lock up stupid for flashing signs and pcs does the arrest narrative really need more then the facts? I am uncomfortable with putting the individuals background and prior arrest information in the narrative unless it is relevant to the case. When will we get a boss again who can lead and knows the job? Thanks for your feed back and stay safe.
The only thing you need on the arrest report is probable cause to arrest. If you are the witness: what were the actions of the offender which meet the parameters of the law that was broken. That is it. Background is irrelevant.
Figure out how to do what you’re supposed to do. I can't refuse to take the sheets like another asswipe poster suggested. You refuse and I'll SPAR you. It's that simple. But, with that bullshit out of the way- when you get the sheet
We don't need you to tell us to ho-hum something. The CPD does not need more HQ-style schuk and jive bullshit. No more nodding and smiling and pretending. That is not the point. You did god knows what to get that white shirt now act like a leader and stand up for us. Not yesterday, not 9 months ago--TODAY! NOW!
I think the whole idea is absurd but are you serious with this above statement??? You don't need probable cause to knock on somebody's door and attempt to talk to them. You have no probable cause to enter or kick the door in. We the police can do anything that any other reasonable citizen can do...which means knocking on somebody's door and speaking with them.. if they look out the window and don't answer then oh well, nothing you can do. Didn't you just knock EB for only having 22 career arrests?? Maybe the author of the post needs to go back to the academy and learn what you can and cant do as a police officer...
2/15/2011 12:33:00 AM
Hey dip shit, the scope changed when the department gave you a name and address. That is an investigation, the average citizen doesn't have a name or history of individuals at a random address.
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well the first poster is actually right. police can knock on anybodys door and talk to anyone about anything they want to. the resident does not have to answer the door or answer any questions. Who gives a sh*t what they talk about. You all first have the arguement that just knocking on a door and trying to talk/make contact with someone will get you sued... are you people that soft? ive been through the civil system many times and I can assure you that a "harrassment" case would never make it to trial because it would be knocked out in a legal motion. Officers have the right to check and speak with parolees or known documented violent offenders anywhere. I know you people will fight tooth and nail not to do this because you want to say it will get you in trouble but tell the truth, you are against it because instead of doing your job you just collect that check on the 1st and 16th... give me a break, ive been screwed on this job, put in the program, thrown out of sos when the sh*t came down, sued about 15 times in my career and have gotten in some pretty tight spots but I still have a job and will do my job and earn my pay check. The dogs on this site just love to say how much they hate the job and just collect those checks are the ones who have never gotten jammed up for doing police work. do your job people...dont make excuses of lawsuits and cr numbers when the law protects you.
I did one the other night. My partner and I had no idea why we were doing it. All my Sgt. said was that downtown is asking for us to do it. Silly.
Anonymous said...
Figure out how to do what you’re supposed to do. I can't refuse to take the sheets like another asswipe poster suggested. You refuse and I'll SPAR you. It's that simple. But, with that bullshit out of the way- when you get the sheet
We don't need you to tell us to ho-hum something. The CPD does not need more HQ-style schuk and jive bullshit. No more nodding and smiling and pretending. That is not the point. You did god knows what to get that white shirt now act like a leader and stand up for us. Not yesterday, not 9 months ago--TODAY! NOW!
2/16/2011 02:00:00 AM
CPD management at its finest. "I,ll SPAR you! managment by threats and intimidation. The majority will take the sheet, and and indicate no response. Simple. Instead of threats, try being a leader and work with your officers. Or is that too much to ask of a sgt? You must be a merit sgt.
ive been screwed on this job, put in the program, thrown out of sos when the sh*t came down, sued about 15 times in my career and have gotten in some pretty tight spots but I still have a job and will do my job and earn my pay check. T
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Sounds like you have not learned your lesson yet. Keep it up.
You are no longer required to fill out a canvass at the scene of an Agg Batt or Homicide. They quit that last year or the year before.
2/15/2011 11:13:00 PM
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You don't have to fill out a Canvass Worksheet...but you still have to perform a canvass. Either you work inside or you work in a slow district, buddy.
There is such a thing as beat integrity, when you start rolling up your sleeves, fixing the problems you can and kicking the asses that need it. If u put your hands on someone document it. Get out of the car and make a difference for yourself, your partner and your co-workers."
I wanted to address ALL the officers that commented on my post. All of your responses come from individuals Who I see everyday RIDING around and doing nothing. I had the unique oppurtunity to be trained by individuals who were the POLICE and had experience which ranged from 15-25 years on with military experience. Every one of them to a man said the same thing. YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. Im not talking about, hopping out on every corner and going through every gang member you see. However if the situation calls for it, DO IT. I've been sued SEVERAL TIMES, been the Police on the West/South sides, put in the behavior intervention program, missed lunches on midnights and afternoons, been in SOS, had bad sup.'s, and answered one too many calls on a dog asses beat, frivolous beefs, etc. Etc. Etc. But u know what, this is my profession. This is the reality of what I signed up and took an oath to do. I have the greatest F'n job in the
world. A contract, a supv. Or a supt. Doesn't define me when I'm out on the street. I don't ask anybody's permission to lock anyone up. Nor do I look for accolades for doing so. ( I get them at times) I come to work with a work ethic that was instilled in me by my family. The officers who I'm addressing this to are the types that walk past and don't speak because you're afraid and know better, you're the first to check off and the last to arrive on a job when an officer calls for another car. Funny thing is your DOG ass will always depend on myself and others like me when you're in trouble. The point is you can't ride around and not confront people on their BS. You idiots I'm not telling you HOW to be the Police, I'm reminding you of WHY you are. My actions on a daily basis reflect how an officer is treated all over the city. I've gone to calls and literally watched Officers being threatened to the point where I had to step in, so that I wouldn't have to deal with it later. YES, I still put my hands on people. Within the context of an arrest situation and EVERYTHING being documented. You know what, IM STILL GONNA GET SUED. I know that. Someone asked how do I Police in this city? Because I live here and so does my family. My partners' family and all of yours live here. I never met your family but they are on my mind when I walk to the car everyday. It FEELS GOOD to be a CHICAGO POLICEMAN. I'll never let dogs, supv, a contract, or a supt. Take my joy away from this profession. Too many of us get get caught up in the politics and jealousy associated with this job. I don't sweat sh$& I can't control. I don't care who got what and by whom. The only exception is when things happen that effect my ability to perform my DUTY. That's what pisses me off. I'm not superman, I know my limitations. So dont worry about my ability to keep my job or my finances in order. I can tell you lived your life on the sidelines before you were the Police. The fact no ones looking over your shoulder gives you the ability to practice and spread your laziness and hatred to all who'll listen.
So guess what, you pray for me and I'll pray for you in the hopes that you realize we are out there for one another. If I magically get that paper ( the poster used humper to get people pissed ) I'm gonna knock. I want to see that a@&hole with my own eyes. If he's not there or no one comes to the door, 19-P. I did my job. Alot of you who complain about stuff on the job are just repeating the same trash you heard someone else spewing. So with all that being said, wave to me while you're on lunch and I'm goin lights and sirens to a call where somebody or an officer needs me, I tell you about it in the station.
"Listen carefully, you unpromotable moron: When this directive came out last October, your supervisors ALL saw it for what it was worth - a lawsuit waiting to happen. It was almost universally ignored citywide. Now EB has a fit and shoves it down everyone's throats.
So GFY about how your "Boss" wasn't looking out for you."
Yes Boss.
2/16/2011 02:00:00 AM
---We don't need you to tell us to ho-hum something. The CPD does not need more HQ-style schuk and jive bullshit. No more nodding and smiling and pretending. That is not the point. You did god knows what to get that white shirt now act like a leader and stand up for us. Not yesterday, not 9 months ago--TODAY! NOW!----
First let’s get something accurate, I know what I did to earn my white shirt- I took and successfully passed the examinations, scored well and was promoted to each rank I earned in rank order from the list. I have never had a meritorious assignment, but have worked in several non-biddable units, just as many officers and supervisors have. Now that we all know that I’m not a merit hack, political aficionado or clout baby I’ll clarify my point so that you don’t feel your being told to ho-hum or shuck and jive anything.
If you have actually looked at the sheets that this thread is referencing, The Watch Commander's Action Report, you will realize that there are check-boxes for several types of activity to be completed by Beat Officers. One such check box is checking on parolees. Another is for TRAP offenders. Those two activities are questionable. I will not do it and I will not direct my subordinates to do it or have it done. I said that in my previous post. I didn’t tell you to sit on the block, get an event number in front of shitbird’s residence or anything similar. I said such activity will end all parties in Federal court, therefore do not do it. I said no and I told you I said no, so when you don’t do it I will stand up for you and say I wouldn’t participate in those two activities either. If at that point there is an attempt at discipline together we will take the appropriate action. However, so that I or we don’t have to nod, smile and pretend, there is activity on those sheets that you will be required to perform. There are problem businesses that need enforcement action. Every Beat has a problem business that afford the gangbanging dope dealers and bust-outs safe haven to perform their illicit activities, as well as being involved in unlawful activities themselves. You will contact them and should take the appropriate enforcement action. Many of them have licenses that need inspection for validity and many have cease and desist orders for certain activity. All of that inspection and enforcement activity should be referenced on the Watch Commander’s Action Report. There are community concerns, sex offenders and other assorted activity that falls within the purview of the Beat officer. So the bottom line is – I am not spewing HQ shuck and jive, not conceding to downtown EB’s nonsensical rhetoric nor agreeing with him since most times I do not, I am telling you that there are valid activities for you to perform and report on the Watch Commander’s Action Report. I recommend that you do not knock on a parolee’s door unless he is on electronic monitoring or has court/IDOC imposed curfews, both which are enforceable violations by law enforcement. Your contempt is clouding your judgment and obviously your common sense. I suggest you check yourself before you end up on the losing end of an otherwise negotiable concept.
@ 2/16/2011 02:16:00 AM
"don't make excuses of lawsuits and cr numbers when the law protects you."
Nooo! Seriously?
The current administration seems to enjoy burning coppers at the stake regardless of this "law" you speak of. But we COULD be wrong.
FWIW... Doubt very seriously if much of anything is being offered up as an excuse. Just Policemen concerned that this latest bit of desperate ivory tower nonsense doesn't pass the smell test.
The overwhelming majority of coppers have wondeful instinct and "horse sense."
If your "horse sense" tells you not to drink at the water hole where a bunch of bleaching skeletons are laying around it and you drink the water anyway, then prepare to be another skull in the pile staring stupidly at the sky and saying "WTF happened?"
Again, the authors of this hastily slapped together bullshit are DESPERATE and only seek to save themselves from the inevitable.
The only ones in a position to get hurt in this are the no clout, have no "friends" Blue Shirts.
That said, everyone (Field Supervision as well) should recognize this as bullshit, handle accordingly and let their conscience be their guide.
P.S.
The mutt that's "hot" knows it and is "little" anyway...
Stay safe all!
Ahhhh the ole CPD management style: do it or else!!!!!
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