David Orr Takes Aim at Daley
About 150 teachers, parents and activists marched into the Grossinger City Autoplex and demanded a check for $4 million Saturday.
That would be the “TIF” money — protestors [sic] called it “The Mayor’s Slush Fund” — diverted from the public schools and given to developers such as those who built the autoplex.
- “There’s a giant myth being spread all across this land ... that local governments have no money, they need to take it out of the backs of teachers, take away their pensions,” Cook County Clerk David Orr told the cheering protestors [sic]. “Chicago ain’t broke. Chicago has put $2 billion tax dollars that the public doesn’t know about into these TIFs and there’s another $500 million being added every year. There needs to be a moratorium on these TIFs because there has been enormous abuse. They are supposed to go to blighted areas. It’s gone to Willis Towers. It’s gone to Grossinger. It’s gone to other major corporations. As we uncover the mayor’s slush fund, which this is, we’re going to discover that money can go to help the schools.”
Again, stuff that should have been reported on and pointed out while the corruption was going on so the political administration could face the voters' wrath at the time. But of course, the media and politicians being bought and paid for, everyone kept their mouths shut until now.
Labels: corruption
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
79 Comments:
I've had it, Everything from a nickel on the sidewalk to some huge "slush fund" is automatically supposed "to help the schools."
The schools cannot be helped any more.
DOWN WITH THE SCHOOLS!
DOWN WITH CHILDREN!
DOWN WITH TEACHERS!
DOWN, DOWN, DOWN WITH "EDUCATION!"
Someone had to say it. It has become like a cancer. These people are going to be the death of us.
The media probably benefitted from Shortshanks' slush fund too. Don't think those corporations that own the papers weren't the beneficiaries of Shortshanks' stolen tax dollars.
All of the big businesses love Daley. Why? If he ran a corporation like he ran the city, they would be filing for bankruptcy. Do you think you can give away property to family and friends for a dollar, sell off assets for short term gains and remain viable?
Big business loves him because he let them get away with anything as long as it was on OUR backs. Would you want Daley running your business? How about his nephew Vanecko? He ran our pension into the ground while he was out bar brawling and killing innocent people.
But as long as the media aimed at the police to distract the people from his thievery, it was OK. Now the latest tactic is to blame "greedy" teachers, cops and firemen. The media sells it and the sheeple buy it and eat it up.
Keep voting democrat or staying at home and not voting. That's what they're counting on.
"David Orr Takes Aim at Daley"
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Sure, now that Daley is going everyone can take aim. However, until now no one had the nerve to do or say or write anything. Except for one reporter and one free weekly.
For years the Chicago Reader and Ben Joravsky have been the only ones publicly sounding the alarm about TIF's and the only ones writing the truth about Daley's slush fund.
Not the Chicago Tribune, not the Chicago Sun-Times, not David Orr and we certainly haven't heard a peep about it from the Cook County States Attorney's office nor Lisa Madigan nor Patrick Fitzgerald.
Only the Chicago Reader.
And Rahm the "reformer?"
Rahm wants to name things after Daley's mother to pay homage to the Master Criminal.
As for myself, I'd like to rename the block of West Washington St between Dearborn and Clark "Jane Byrne Boulevard."
And then forevermore all mention of the Richard J. Daley Center would be followed by it's new address at 50 W. Jane Byrne Blvd.
I think people may have finally reached their BSQ (Bull-Shit Quotient)
Like the Miami Dade mayor and his top crony being recalled by 90% of the voters.
It's about time that elected officials be held accountable.
Unfortunately what we are most likely seeing here is people trying to use a crisis to their advantage and not to eliminate and clean up the corruption but to leverage it to their advantage.
The pack is battling amongst themselves to determine who is going to be the new lead dog that's all.
Don't let a crisis go to waste. Management by fear.
Shorty Daley should die in prison for what he has done.
To anyone who works for the City of Chicago who has knowledge, can get records, accounts and any other evidence for this life of corruption bring it forward.
WARNING! You can get a reward for this, but you can go to jail for lying or hidings evidence about it.
Stay safe, I want to see Shorty in an orange jump suit.
Our Newspaers & reporters in other media are as Corrupt as dick "the public" daley is.
Dumbo Ears & his" defartment of justice" are just as guilty. A whole lotta politicians need to get arrested, tried & conicted under RICO. It's the Big Conspiracy that has fucked the working man & fed the entitlement dogs for their vote.
The Republicans, and/or other parties need to start searching for candidates to un-seat the "Den of Thieves" that are currently running our Cities, States, and Country into the ground.
I can only guess that Rhambo is in with these DOGS & will carry on their agenda.
I can only hope that shanks is buried near his daddy so I won't have far to walk to piss on their graves.
No more members of the daley crime family in elected office in Shitcago/Illinois !!!!!
They stopped using KY a long time ago and no one who votes has even whimpered in pain !!!!
Where the fuck have you been for the last few years Dave? Since you left the city council the only time anybody heard from you was when you would call all the news stations so they could show you marrying the first couple to apply for a marriage license in cook county in the new year.
Suddenly everyones so righteous and honest now that shanks is leaving. Its too little too late. What did shanks have over everyone? Did he threaten to send his nephew to whack them out or what?
Shortly after our contract was settled our unit rep talked to the 2nd and 3rd watch after roll call and explained the contract to us. During that talk he stated to us that it was discovered that the city was not broke and in fact had 3 TRILLION dollars in TIF funds.
Never heard that mentioned again but I wonder if that's not a more accurate number.
Where was David Orr when his staff was ollecting the data and publishing the TIF reports for all those past years. Just now he wants to jump on some bandwagen?
Go on his website and check out the TIF reports. They are there for the city as well as crook county.
Been there for years.
I bet Grossinger pays over 4 million in wages to their employees and they in turn pay sales taxes and state income taxes. Not to mention Grossinger (well actually their customers, because companies don't pay taxes, their customers do in the higher prices they must pay for the company to pay the government) probably pays real estate taxes and all sorts of Chicago city taxes.
I don't have a problem with business getting money from the government since they do pay lots of taxes and employ many taxpayers, I do, however, have a problem with it when the city is broke. The city needs to reign in all spending during tough times and during boom times, watch every nickel because just like the sun rises every morning, there will be an economic downturn that will catch these stupid motherfuckin' politicians "by surprise" and then they use that as an excuse to dip into our pockets, for the children, don't you know.
David Orr=was mayor for 2 days following Washington death.
Insisted that they hang a photo of his face along with a list of the elected mayors.
OT: Word is that Short shanks is keping a detail of 10 officers for babysitters, why dosent any of our news media outlets report on the cost of that little tidbit! no one cares about the midgit king any more especially not enought to go to jail over trying to harm the jerk! Those Officers would better serve the city being on the street!
If you're going to put Daley in jail for theft, you have to put his enablers, Patrick Fitzgerald and the FBI, behind bars too! I've given the FBI copies of over a dozen scams the Bureau of Electricity used to funnel taxpayer money to private contractors and the Daley Friends, Felons and Family Plan. They've done shit. Put all the Daleys,Hynes, Madigans, Joyces, Degnans, Burkes, Walshs, et. al. in at Clark and Van Buren and let them hold their south side Irish parade there!
not a cop
"...The pack is battling amongst themselves to determine who is going to be the new lead dog that's all."
Don't let a crisis go to waste. Management by fear.
3/20/2011 01:28:00 AM
Politics is war!
THIS, as well as other attacks of the Stuttering Prick, are all designed to position the wannabees for M-A-R (Mayor After Rahm).
Technically, in a 2015 campaign for Mayor, Orr can now say that HE sounded the alarm on TIF's waaaay back during the Daley era!
As for myself, I'd like to rename the block of West Washington St between Dearborn and Clark "Jane Byrne Boulevard."
And then forevermore all mention of the Richard J. Daley Center would be followed by it's new address at 50 W. Jane Byrne Blvd.
3/20/2011 12:56:00 AM
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I'll second that. AND I want to see the Children's Fountain pulled out of whatever warehouse Daley had it shoved into, and get it reinstalled. He couldn't handle one small fountain having a plaque that said 'Jane Byrne' on it, so he had it yanked out without notice.
Yeah, just like Meigs Field. I guess the fountain was a practice run.
OT- from Sneed column
Hmmm: Sneed hears Chicago Police Cmdr. Frank Gross, the department’s movie coordinator, might be in hot water again. Gross was reprimanded by former Police Supt. Jody Weis after video footage surfaced of officers posing for a photo with a handcuffed, kneeling college student arrested in the 2009 G-20 economic summit in Pittsburgh.
† The buckshot: Sneed is told Gross had drawn the ire of the new police interim regime for putting in for $19,000 in overtime for his work during the filming of the movie “Transformers 3,” which was shot in Chicago amongst mucho publicity last year.
† The backshot: The Chicago cops in the controversial video, which included Gross, used personal time to serve as part of the G-20 summit security detail.
† The flipshot: “I was on personal time during the filming of the Transformers movie during July and August of last year,” Gross said. “Paramount paid the city more than $160,000 for the filming of that movie and out of that came the $19,000 I was paid for working during off-duty time. It didn’t cost the city any money.”
† The buckshot: Is Gross in line for a new job title?
Anonymous said...
I think people may have finally reached their BSQ (Bull-Shit Quotient)
Like the Miami Dade mayor and his top crony being recalled by 90% of the voters.
It's about time that elected officials be held accountable.
3/20/2011 01:28:00 AM
That would work great if only the Miami Dade voters could vote on tossing our elected officials out of office.
The voters here are blind, deaf and dumb sheep and do what the "reformers" like Rahm Emanuel want them to do.
just reading about lanseing Mi. p.d. failing to assist Mi. Troopers at a protest at the capitol this weekend.What are these fools thinking You dont assist Your Own. Retired in 98 after 30 yrs 24 south of 87 th st,. Its a sad day
Misappropriation of funds?.......Ahem, Oh Fitzgerald
Fuck Orr and every other Chicago politician who's suddenly grown balls to stand up to da mayer, now that he's a lame duck. What a bunch off phonies!
Anonymous said...
Shortly after our contract was settled our unit rep talked to the 2nd and 3rd watch after roll call and explained the contract to us. During that talk he stated to us that it was discovered that the city was not broke and in fact had 3 TRILLION dollars in TIF funds.
Never heard that mentioned again but I wonder if that's not a more accurate number.
3/20/2011 06:28:00 AM
Ya' think?
A trillion is a thousand billion.
3 trillion is 3 thousand billion, a 3 with 12 zeroes after it.
The federal spending in the US for one year is around $3.5 trillion.
The entire national debt is a bit more than $14 trillion.
There is not $3 trillion lying around in TIF funds.
In 2009 approx. $520 million was collected in TIF accounts.
Over $4 billion has been collected since TIF's began in Chicago, I don't know how much is left but most of that spent has been at the whim and direction of Richard M Daley with no over sight whatsoever.
And we taxpayers who pay into the TIF's? Daley has continuously stalled FOIA requests for accounting of those funds.
And now we have a former insider masquerading as a "reformer" as our mayor elect. He will fix everything because it is the public employee pension system that is to blame for the City being "broke" and not the thieving of Richard M Daley.
Just ask the Civic Federation. They are advising the City and State on how to get out from under the pension obligations.
every ward gets TIF $$, its not just for the "blighted areas". It can only be used for the for developement of that particular ward. It cannot be used to hire more police or fire.
These people are going to be the death of us.
3/20/2011 12:40:00 AM
not exactly.
Chalkie
They stopped using KY a long time ago and no one who votes has even whimpered in pain !!!!
3/20/2011 01:36:00 AM
you mean no one who votes, works for their income and pays their bills and taxes.
Poster #1 is right.
The Chicago Public Schools are beyond help and should be shut down immediately. Even crooked politicians do not send their kids to the CPS. Give parents school vouchers and let them pick their children's schools.
it's all part of the smoke and mirrors cover-up.
after all, if a portion of the TIF TAX DOLLARS are 'returned' to their intended use, it's all okay, right?
no need to expend any effort or expense on holding anyone civilly or criminally accountable.
yep, that's the ticket.
Where was Orr when Daley was stealing with both hands for 21 years?
When are people going to start comparing the campaign contributions from the places that receive TIF to Daley.
I agree, NO MORE MONEY for schools, they are doing NOTHING for our kids but feeding them breakfast and lunch,.. when are they going to go back to teaching reading, writing and arithmetic instead of "politics 101 and how can I get mine 201 and lets hate america 301??? " That is all they are doing right now, might as well invite the enemy to dinner- NOT EVEN FUNNY.
However, the $ that has been skimmed off the taxpayer and set aside for the FOD's and soon to be FOR's is a travesty of epic proportions. Look for our esteemed national leader to do this on a national level if he can get away with it (O'Care? etc) or has already.
As for myself, I'd like to rename the block of West Washington St between Dearborn and Clark "Jane Byrne Boulevard."
And then forevermore all mention of the Richard J. Daley Center would be followed by it's new address at 50 W. Jane Byrne Blvd.
3/20/2011 12:56:00 AM
Honor and revenge with one stroke of a pen. You are diabolical. Are you single?
Where was David Orr when his staff was ollecting the data and publishing the TIF reports for all those past years. Just now he wants to jump on some bandwagen?
Go on his website and check out the TIF reports. They are there for the city as well as crook county.
Been there for years.
3/20/2011 06:52:00 AM
He was cowering and trembling with all the others.
Orr's acting like he has balls now that the Evil One Daley is halfway out the door. Where have you been hiding the last ten years Davy. Daley was a liar and a crook back then too. You were just another slient ass kisser.
David Orr is a self aggrandizing putz. Typical Rogers Park liberal police hater.
He has never been our friend, like Quinn, he isn't a man of the people, he's in it for himself.
Oh now you speak up Orr. Weasel!
David Orr=was mayor for 2 days following Washington death.
3/20/2011 07:12:00 AM
Actually was Mayor for 8 days, was an independant democrat and the machine did not want him....
Public education in the worst return on investment a taxpayer can ever get. In Chicago we spend approximately $13,000/student. For what? A bunch of people that look to blame others when they can't fool someone into hiring them.
We need to defray some of the costs to the parents of the students, so that we can put an end to this talk of cutting pensions.
During that talk he stated to us that it was discovered that the city was not broke and in fact had 3 TRILLION dollars in TIF funds.
Never heard that mentioned again but I wonder if that's not a more accurate number.
3/20/2011 06:28:00 AM
You're an idiot and either the speaker is too or else you misheard. It's billion, not trillion. Just think about it. ~3 million people in the city. You really think that the average person has paid $1 million into a slush fund without their knowing? Not so much. $1 thousand per person siphoned off? Possible.
David Orr=was mayor for 2 days following Washington death.
Insisted that they hang a photo of his face along with a list of the elected mayors.
3/20/2011 07:12:00 AM
Not that it changes your point, but he was actually mayor for a whole WEEK! 11/25-12/2/87
That money is ALL of our money. We paid that money in inflated tax bills. That money should go back to the tax payers in the form of lowered tax bills or go to every agency that needs it NOT to one agency such as the public schools. They get tax money, lottery money, grants. Geesh, what about the police and fire? WHat about all of the pension obligations they have no money for? Give us back our dough!
C'mon...Chicago is broke and the ONLY thing that can save Chicago is a casino!......right?
There is more than one Vanecko - please read more carefully...
The City and County should SUE Daley and Stroger for the cost of removal of their names from every city/county signs or property. Cant wait till I never see either one of those names ever again, unlees on the top of a indictment
Anonymous said...
Public education in the worst return on investment a taxpayer can ever get. In Chicago we spend approximately $13,000/student. For what? A bunch of people that look to blame others when they can't fool someone into hiring them.
We need to defray some of the costs to the parents of the students, so that we can put an end to this talk of cutting pensions.
3/20/2011 03:16:00 PM
25 years ago the average CPS student in the 013th District spasmodically said "Huh?" when I asked him a question.
Now, billions of dollars later, they still say "Huh?" when asked a question.
What has changed is that I learned early on not to repeat the question. Wait a few seconds as the question rattles around in the not-yet-fully-up-to-speed-brain and something resembling an answer comes spewing forth.
So, it's begun.
Rahm to Orr: You get out there, before I'm sworn in, and start agitating about the TIF funds. YOU get to vilify Daley, so I don't have to.
Orr to Rahm: Yeah, good idea.
Rahm to Orr: Then, when I'm sworn in, I'll vow to look into it and change it immediately.
Orr to Rahm: Yeah, good idea.
Rahm to Orr: The second day I'm in office, I'll expose some of the theft and mismanagement of TIFs and I'll use some of the money to fund pensions, restore some city services and the people will think I'm ROBIN HOOD!
Orr to Rahm: Can I be Little John?
We need to defray some of the costs to the parents of the students, so that we can put an end to this talk of cutting pensions.
3/20/2011 03:16:00 PM
flat rate voucher from taxes, based on an average of the yearly tuition of parochial schools.
open enrollment in each stand alone 'public' school, with individual school setting it's own tuition.
any difference between tuition amount and voucher amount covered, out of their own pocket, by the student/parent/legal guardian.
each individual stand alone school's staff negotiates their compensation with that school's management.
free market enterprises compete for customers, via quality + cost.
this used to be the American Way, once upon a time....
Honor and revenge with one stroke of a pen. You are diabolical. Are you single?
3/20/2011 12:02:00 PM
that's crazy talk, CRAZY TALK, i say.....
That's Bernie Stone's sh--. Isn't Grossinger mostly in or near Lincolnwood? How does that help blighted neighborhoods?
To get a better understanding on how these TIF's work look at the below link from the Reader.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/the-chicago-reader-tif-archive/Content?oid=1180567
The Chicago Public Schools are beyond help and should be shut down immediately. Even crooked politicians do not send their kids to the CPS. Give parents school vouchers and let them pick their children's schools.
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So how about we close all the private schools and line up all the little dears to register at the local CPS first thing tomorrow? That may give the powers that be some food for thought. Why NOT a free lunch?
"These people are going to be the death of us."
--3/20/2011 12:40:00 AM
"not exactly.
"Chalkie"
--3/20/2011 10:12:00 AM
You know, you really are like the cold air that comes out of that big refrigerator...
*
Anyway, I heard on the radio a while back that Providence, Rhode Island fired all of its school teachers.
That was the story. They fired all the teachers.
I don't know whom they propose to replace them with -- alcoholic day laborers, hired as needed? -- or if they even propose to replace them. Maybe they just won't have school anymore. Beats me.
Here, "Justice Department Wants New Orleans Police Under Court Supervision."
http://www.allgov.com/Top_Stories
/ViewNews/Justice_Dept_Wants_
New_Orleans_Police_under_Court
_Supervision_110319
Didn't they lose about a third of the force after Katrina? Made up for only by the large overall poplation loss. Kind of like a giant Robbins, Ill. Does ISP/CCSD still patrol there?
Trouble everywhere you look...
I just now saw photos of Richard J. Daley on Channel 11, must have been his first campaign around 1955.
He is posing in the cab of a big steam shovel, and people in the crowd are holding up pre-printed signs, "NO MORE FLOODED BASEMENTS."
*
800 zillion dollars and one Deep Tunnel later...
...remember the September, 2003 Norwood Park Classic, with Daley II's "flood preventers?"
"THIS, as well as other attacks of the Stuttering Prick, are all designed to position the wannabees for M-A-R (Mayor After Rahm)."
--3/20/2011 07:56:00 AM
Now there's a pleasing prospect -- you are to be congratulated for your forward thinking, before the Emanuel family has even moved here...if they ever condescend to move here...
Bridgeport! They'll move to Bridgeport, over by dere!
Why has it taken Orr so long?
You're an idiot and either the speaker is too or else you misheard. It's billion, not trillion. Just think about it. ~3 million people in the city. You really think that the average person has paid $1 million into a slush fund without their knowing? Not so much. $1 thousand per person siphoned off? Possible.
3/20/2011 03:17:00 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, I 'meant to say... "Gazillion."
Let's be honest. You can pump all the money into public schools you can. You can get the best computers, teachers and after school programs money can buy. However, if the parents of these little bastards don't do their jobs and the bastards themselves don't care about school, all that money is a waste. Our society does not make people accountable for their actions. We give and give and all we hear is we need to give more. Those who don't work or don't want an education are rewarded and those of us who do have to keep working harder and harder to stay above water. This is a joke. STOP THE FREE MONEY!!!!
Wow....the quiet little County man, David Orr, awakes!
He's only been shaking in his boots in Shanx's quake for, oh, about the past 15 years! Better late than never, Orr...and just in time to try to convince the Mayor Elect that you aren't a coward.
Who is the ignoramus that is calling for the public schools to be shut down and school vouchers given out? Yes, Chicago Public Schools are bad, but do you really want the ghetto trash that have made the schools bad enrolling in the private school your children attend? Think before you speak.
Anonymous said...
There is more than one Vanecko...
3/20/2011 04:50:00 PM
Damn clones
6:53am
Question: Which is it: Does the business (Grossinger) pay the taxes, or is the tax just accumulated in the current labor rate (128.00 per hour)?
By the way, are you taking your vehicle there to be serviced? Just wondering!!
Anonymous said...
That's Bernie Stone's sh--. Isn't Grossinger mostly in or near Lincolnwood? How does that help blighted neighborhoods?
3/20/2011 06:38:00 PM
Near North & Halsted
Anonymous said...
As for myself, I'd like to rename the block of West Washington St between Dearborn and Clark "Jane Byrne Boulevard."
And then forevermore all mention of the Richard J. Daley Center would be followed by it's new address at 50 W. Jane Byrne Blvd.
3/20/2011 12:56:00 AM
Honor and revenge with one stroke of a pen. You are diabolical. Are you single?
3/20/2011 12:02:00 PM
If you are female, yes.
You know, you really are like the cold air that comes out of that big refrigerator...
yep, every body is just dying to join the club.
if you can just get past my bouncers....
Chalkie
25 years ago the average CPS student in the 013th District spasmodically said "Huh?" when I asked him a question.
Now, billions of dollars later, they still say "Huh?" when asked a question.
What has changed is that I learned early on not to repeat the question. Wait a few seconds as the question rattles around in the not-yet-fully-up-to-speed-brain and something resembling an answer comes spewing forth.
3/20/2011 05:52:00 PM
I thought people were screwing with me when they told me this, years ago. So, I tested it first chance I got.
I should have known better. Veteran cops know what they're talking about. We were way ahead of the game when we actually LISTENED to them.
But, I was told to say, "Huh?" right after the 'interviewee' did. And it worked.
Conversation went something like, "Where do you stay?" Kid would say, "Huh?" I would respond, "Huh?" Kid would then say, "I stays at ...." It NEVER failed.
@ Captain Video:
3/20/2011 05:52:00 PM...
You hit the nail on the head...
"Huh" is the ghetto pause button for conversation dude really isn't trying to have.
The best one ever is as follows...
"What's your name?"
"Huh?"
"Really, your momma named you "huh"?
CPS needs to be MOAB'd and started from scratch.
Anonymous said...
OT: Word is that Short shanks is keping a detail of 10 officers for babysitters, why dosent any of our news media outlets report on the cost of that little tidbit! no one cares about the midgit king any more especially not enought to go to jail over trying to harm the jerk! Those Officers would better serve the city being on the street!
3/20/2011 07:20:00 AM
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He needs someone to wipe his ass. He isn't toilet trained yet !!!!
That's Bernie Stone's sh--. Isn't Grossinger mostly in or near Lincolnwood? How does that help blighted neighborhoods?
They have some dealers off North Ave at Clyborn.
Why do we keep dumping money in "blighted" areas? They're "blighted" because the people who live there are fucking useless animals, giving them money is stupid. Give the money back to the taxpayers who EARNED the fucking money!
Anonymous said...
As for myself, I'd like to rename the block of West Washington St between Dearborn and Clark "Jane Byrne Boulevard."
And then forevermore all mention of the Richard J. Daley Center would be followed by it's new address at 50 W. Jane Byrne Blvd.
3/20/2011 12:56:00 AM
Honor and revenge with one stroke of a pen. You are diabolical. Are you single?
3/20/2011 12:02:00 PM
If you are female, yes.
3/20/2011 11:34:00 PM
___________________________________
Am I a female? Uh...never mind, forget I ever asked.
Anyway, I heard on the radio a while back that Providence, Rhode Island fired all of its school teachers.
They fired all the teachers because that was the only thing they could do to get rid of the useless mutts. They then rehired any who were competent along with new hires.
The reason a lot of the public hate unions is because (some) union leadership hacks have this tendency to defend those assholes whose actions are indefensible.
Instead of creating wealth and working together with management to make money for everyone, it's all about power for them and fuck everyone else. UAW is a prime example. Sorry, but if the only requirement for perfroming your job is turn a bolt the same way 240 times per hour there's NO fucking way you earn $30+/hr plus full bennies. That's robot or talking monkey work. The idea that sort of work has the same value as policing a shithole city is crazy.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
There is more than one Vanecko...
3/20/2011 04:50:00 PM
Damn clones
3/20/2011 10:19:00 PM
They breed like cock roaches. They add nothing, only take. Sort of like the LINK card carriers.
Am I a female? Uh...never mind, forget I ever asked.
3/21/2011 02:29:00 AM
yep, she's a girl.
OT: Illinois Taxes
a must read from the Illinois Policy Institute dot org site.
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“Vexatious” Citizen Scales Back Palatine Perquisites
by Administrator | Monday March 21, 2011 7:03 am
By Adam Andrzejewski
CEO, For The Good of Illinois
March 21, 2011
Nothing short of heroism is chronicled below.
A courageous citizen demands accountability from his hometown and wins tens of thousands in savings for taxpayers. But, current legislation (SB1645) would have restricted the questions and labeled this hero “vexatious”. Pushed by the Illinois Municipal League (mayors & managers), “fast tracked” SB1645 would restrict your ability to hold government accountable and name call- if you try. Taxpayers would be stuck with the overspending. Click here to call your member of the General Assembly. Tell them NOT to curtail your “right to know.” Tell them to vote NO on SB1645. Please read the following story…
Last fall, a resident of Palatine started questioning his municipality. His interest was piqued because property taxes were hiked, village fees were hiked, a brand-new electric consumption tax was instituted and officials were complaining that the red-light cameras were not producing enough ticket revenue. Then, the village manager forecast a future of higher taxes in his annual letter.
Amongst other questions, the resident just wanted to know a simple answer: the total 2009 compensation of the village manager. The inquiry was arduous. The results were stunning. The entire cash and non-cash compensation package amounted to an initial estimate of $351,000, then revised to $355,000, and click to review the now re-revised estimate of $338,400 plus.
In 2009, on base salary alone, the village manager out-earned every governor of the 50 states. Overall, there were over twenty “buckets” of compensation including a $35,000 cash bonus, taxpayer funded car,...
more >
Oh yeah, the slush funds.
Let us not forget though while the top fifty public servant pensions for the General Assemblymen will have them retiring as millionaires it's those damn greedy police, fire, and educators that are busting out the system -- causing massive tax increases.
Public Service Pensions- The Top 50 is here >> http://forthegoodofillinois.org/in-the-news/2011/01/public-service-pensions-the-top-50/
Let's start at the top with the pension cuts where it really will have an impact and then work our way down as needed.
Retiring as millionaires is just not an acceptable burden on the backs of the middle class WalMart-like wage earners in this over-taxed state.
Enough!
Huh? Who me? and of course, Well( pronounced wale.)
That post by the 13th dist copper was one of the better posts in a long time.
Where is Hennessey Williams at?
Anonymous said...
25 years ago the average CPS student in the 013th District spasmodically said "Huh?" when I asked him a question.
Now, billions of dollars later, they still say "Huh?" when asked a question.
What has changed is that I learned early on not to repeat the question. Wait a few seconds as the question rattles around in the not-yet-fully-up-to-speed-brain and something resembling an answer comes spewing forth.
3/20/2011 05:52:00 PM
I thought people were screwing with me when they told me this, years ago. So, I tested it first chance I got.
I should have known better. Veteran cops know what they're talking about. We were way ahead of the game when we actually LISTENED to them.
But, I was told to say, "Huh?" right after the 'interviewee' did. And it worked.
Conversation went something like, "Where do you stay?" Kid would say, "Huh?" I would respond, "Huh?" Kid would then say, "I stays at ...." It NEVER failed.
3/21/2011 12:08:00 AM
You describe the "double-huh" theory of police questioning.
Either one works usually.
Politicians will sell us lies and the news media will reinforce it!
Many have been questioning the Tif fund for quite some time.
Don't buy into their lies, there will be a pension, they can cut else where.
"...current legislation (SB1645) would have restricted the questions and labeled this hero “vexatious”. Pushed by the Illinois Municipal League (mayors & managers), “fast tracked” SB1645 would restrict your ability to hold government accountable and name call- if you try. Taxpayers would be stuck with the overspending. Click here to call your member of the General Assembly. Tell them NOT to curtail your “right to know.” Tell them to vote NO on SB1645."
-=-3/21/2011 01:51:00 PM
OH, NO. The sons-of-bitches don't miss a trick. They're always trailing along behind big business, imitating that heady corporate-talk like little children -- calling us "clients" and what they do to us a "product" -- but they always get there.
They are mimicking the SLAPP -- Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation -- used by corporations to silence complainers.
"A strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP) is a lawsuit that is intended to censor, intimidate and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition.
"The typical SLAPP plaintiff does not normally expect to win the lawsuit. The plaintiff's goals are accomplished if the defendant succumbs to fear, intimidation, mounting legal costs or simple exhaustion and abandons the criticism. A SLAPP may also intimidate others from participating in the debate. A SLAPP is often preceded by a legal threat. The difficulty, of course, is that plaintiffs do not present themselves to the Court admitting that their intent is to censor, intimidate or silence their critics."
http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/
Strategic_lawsuit_against_
public_participation
Now you KNOW they're up to no good -- as if there has ever been any doubt.
"But of course, the media and politicians being bought and paid for, everyone kept their mouths shut until now."
Very true, but I also wonder if the journoweenies have been threatened by the criminals who are allied with government lackies. I recall a Kass column where he related a threat from two goons at Gene and Georgettis, they told him when his kids went to school. If it matters, I've thought that the TIFs are scam for years.
Just thought I'd mention Orr has talked about this quite a lot in the past. He generated some of the reports Joravsky used in his Reader pieces. It's odd to see commenters saying "where was Orr when his staff was creating the reports?" -- Orr was asking them to create the reports, of course.
And to the guy who says "typical for a Rogers Park police hater" - what evidence do you have for that? I haven't heard anything about the police from Orr in decades - and I've worked with him, listened to him speak many times. One of his best friends, who drives with him every election day, is an ex-cop. Don't make an enemy of everyone who dresses different from you.
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