Another Promotion Rumor
They keep getting more and more amusing:
- Exempt Promotions: SCC any truth to this?
I have a friend in Rahm's camp who said the mayor elect is infuriated with the current police brass. They feel the ranks are too top heavy and way too many unqualified bosses.
I guess a plan is underway to send a bulk of the exempts back to their highest rank attained. Their positions will be replaced by a private sector police contractor. Their employees will have to meet certain qualifications ie...retired commander from another agency etc...
This is being done to change the face of the department from the Top Down approach. It will also lead to a more transparent promotional process for future bosses because these outsiders will conduct the promotional process and most won't know many people to leak the test answers out too. Also they will not be able to wear a CPD uniform unless they worked for CPD at one time or another as a sworn officer
A special ordinance has been drafted and is waiting approval of city hall.
I got to say that I agree with this.
Whats everyone else's take?
Our take is Rahm's people are trolling for something palatable that might be accepted by the rank-and-file. We for one would welcome a transparent and fair testing process whereby the people who work for the so-called "subject matter experts" weren't stealing the top spots in the past three or four promotional exams. The number of high scores coming out of the HQ building defy any sort of statistical explanation, especially when compared to who they worked for and what sort of input those people had on creating promotional exams.
Labels: from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 6:45 AM
148 Comments:
Another Promotion Rumor: Yeah , started by somebody who never has and never will do well on a promotional exam!
This is even dumber than the Jody Weis experiment of an outsider running the Department into the ground.
You're missing the fuckin point here SCC, this is the beginning of "civilianization" of the department and the expansion of political hires that are shakman exempt. Currently those exempts are sworn police who, if demoted still have a job and become "rank and file" give their jobs to civilian "contractors" suck as you know who, Terry hillard, Emanuel controls at his whim a commanding pay to play sector of police.
Fuck this idea, and fuck Emanuel for try to take over the sworn police with politically connect civilian players.
If that happens it could be worse than before. Outsiders running the department? There are many qulified people on this job. What does he think? We are all idiots.
Maybe we should all put on our dunce caps and go home. Have him do his job hire someone that knows what needs to be done let him/her decide who should go and who should stay.
If this was true, there would be a lot a crying going on among the exempts. Sorry commander, but you're to report to midnights in some district......................
Love the rumor, but don't believe it.
Total bullshit. Nothing will change. All rumors. Just like Rahm saying he will look at residency. Wake the fuck up people! The only real change will be Daley affiliates out; Rahm affiliates in.
Do it, fuck these clout babies
I heard that Rahm has taught pigs to fly.
Rahm is here for a short time. He is going to prove his worth by trying to improve the City's fiscal position and move on to bigger things. He doesn't care one lick about the moral on the Department or how fair the testing process appears.
Rahm will secure his votes from the "Sanctuary City" and then to his next move towards the White House, maybe Governor.
I heard a rumor that with the sad state of the city particularly its finances that Rahm has a lot bigger problems than police bosses and that he probably doesn't even have a clue about how this department works or who runs it below the supe. Especially since he hasn't even lived here for years.
Please uncle Rahmster don't throw out the last promotional test I paid good money for the
answers!!!PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE
Rahm better hurry if he wants to prevent many current merit unqualified exempts from retiring with the GOLD BRAID PENSION
Have all outsiders as commanders,deputy chiefs , it might hold the merit captains feet to the fire , captains don't know that sgts leave early , hold time due slips for their pets , plenty of waste in cpd
This sounds like J-Fled II. Jody came in and swept out a bunch of exempts and replaced them. That didn't change anything. Neither will this.
I say you the Mayor is fighting an uphill battle. I would like to add that bringing back ANY ex CPD anything, rather it be a Superintendent, Commander, or P.O. as any type of Boss will still not boost morale. We saw Tom Wheeler with I.S. Hillard yesterday. He has never worked the street, has no knowledge of Patrol and worked from a pager, then went straight to administration, made Commander of Area 2, never came to work because he bought a Mc Donalds, he didn't have a clue then and doesn't now, then he went to work for Limon. People like that talk a good game, but have no clue about how to run or be an effective leader for CPD.
Please don't start looking at Ex and Retired Bosses of any rank. You have enough bright people right here. Ramsey was a great boss, but his time has come and gone for CPD. Lets move on from political BS and saving face! Mayor Daley hurt this city enough with bringing Jodi Weis in. Its time!
bad idea--- good bosses surround themselves with people they can trust--- we all witnessed first hand the disaster j-fled was--- yes, we need more transparency and we can do it with the people already here, not with outsiders.... happy saint paddys day....
I call B.S. Bad Rumor
The house mice and those with easy jobs have the time and energy to study. The working police, 3rd watch, Midnights, making arrest, going to court to keep their spots, etc don't have this studying advantage. Who do you think has a better chance of doing well on tests?
Ret CPD
Why was Ernie Brown doing the interview on the Vanecko whitewash? Last time I checked, Ernie Brown was in Patrol not BIS.
Ernie, it's time you asked yourself: "Is everyone else on the island in an alliance? Am I the next to get voted off?"
The reason the supervisors and commanders are crap is because most of them came from the house mice, or do nothing category. I have even suspected some people who hit the medical for months to study for an exam.
Not enough working police get promoted as most are to busy working to study like the house mice etc.
Ret CPD
Well, I like the Idea of Demoting ALL The Unqualified Clout Baby Bosses starting at top to bottom on this job, but there's still those stupid Detectives, Sergeants, and Lieutenants out there that have been promoted and who couldn't count their fingers and get the same number twice. Also, raise the number of years that one has to have to become a detective instead of just being off probation. How about 3 to 5 years police experience? Although this new Mayor is certainly not the answer, fair promotion and transparency of testing process and scores definitely need to change.
All the Excellent Police work in the world would not get you promoted.
"the mayor elect is infuriated"
Interpretation: Rahm is grinding his teeth at the thought of all the trouble he's going to experience while installing knaves and dupes who are personally loyal to him and who can be controlled easily.
"Their positions will be replaced by a private sector police contractor"
Will those protectors and servants, too, be paid with wealth redistributed under duress? Of course they will. It's the logical conclusion of crony capitalism in Chicago. So the only real difference is that a few private citizens will be able to take a financial stake in the contractor's business. The cop monopoly will be preserved, albeit under slightly different form. The organized crime class will remain secure.
"It will also lead to a more transparent promotional process for future bosses"
Someone is daydreaming. The transparency will be superficial. Need I explain why?
Private contractors: Cash cows for the politicians of the 21st Century.
Code 49 no longer being given out based on the tightness of your ass apparently. New AMFN 110820
How about looking at those within the ranks of the Sgt. and Lt. who never had a meritorious promotion and have years of experience in patrol. Right there you can see who had no clout and beat the odds to get promoted on their own. If those people were also Detectives legit that would ahow they really have the intelligence, resolve, and dedication that is needed to put this department back on track.
I say BEWARE. How is an ousider (contractor)come in and determine what is best...just another way of the new mayor putting all his people in. I smell bullshit.
Could someone explain to the Firefighters that Rahm thinks they are lazy and we have too many of them. After the runoffs, 300 of them are getting PINK SLIPS. He is going to force them to enter Police Academy. Hey dummies vote against ANY candidate tied to this ASSHOLE.
Private contractors are a bad idea. Open pandoras box. Look at charter schools. Despite rahms lies they don't test better and have scab teachers.
huh? sounds completly retarded and a big waste of money. Im sure its sounds good to you and your friend tho.
So can they roll back sgt's promotions to? I can think of one on 008 in Midnights that should be demoted back to bathroom monitor.
get out your secret decoder ring, activate it's conversion ray and apply to a printed version of the quoted 'comment'.
if your ring is calibrated properly, it should reveal the following translation:
SAME OLD BULLSHIT
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SKIN
DO NOT TRUST THE BUTTERFLY
I hope everyone remembers that the current mayor didn't like police top brass when he started and threatened to demote them all. Although I agree we're "top heavy" this just seems like one long rollercoaster ride that is never going to end.
Yeah speaking of idiot bosses look at LB midnights in 008dist. Next to last on score but promoted to sgt merit. Thanks Dugan. LB is a cancer and ruining our watch. Leave please no one wants to listen to your stupid war stories anymore.
I am sure they will definately not consult with Retired Sgt. John Northen for his opinion!
Complete BS!!
The most telling thing about the promotion process in Chicago is the fact that you only need a 40% to "pass" the written exam and be considered qualified for a merit promotion. And, the fact that most of the commanding officer positions, tactical lieutenants, far too many exempts and far too many captains have been appointed from the " merit" lists. Of course , no one know, and no one will say what is merit and what these merit promotiees did to deserve repeated merit promotions? But, if you ask the merit promotiees, to a man/women they will say they earned it and deserved it.
The number of high scores coming out of the HQ building defy any sort of statistical explanation, especially when compared to who they worked for and what sort of input those people had on creating promotional exams.
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Written tests measure how well you take tests as much as they measure your understanding of the subject matter.
I'd bet a lot of these guys have college degrees (and even post gradutae degrees) and thus they have a lot of experience studying for and passing tests.
It does not hurt to be around the people writing the tests either. Even if they do not give out the questions or answers just knowing how they think gives a test taker a big advantage.
What everyone on this blog has got to understand is this: Morale does not matter, to those in charge. We have to deal with the reality that we already have a substanstial number of people on this job, for whatever reason who just want to get by. De Gaulle the French President and anti-American once said that the graveyards are filled with men who were indispensible. What the rank and file want means little. On any given day we already have hundreds of coppers staging their own form of blue flu. Every position on this job has someone waiting to fill it. I have seen good cops turn into morons because they are 20 out on the Sgts. List. These guys become obsessed and driven and they threaten to lay down if not promoted and everyone promoted ahead of them is scum. So Rahm can bring in whomever he wants to do whatever they want, and not a one of you will quit. Because the reality is that most of us are being paid more than we are worth anywhere else. That is the reality, deal with it. And if you really are good at this job; you love it.
As someone who studied legit, scored under 230, waited over 4 years to still be just under 100 out, I say WTF. All the clout guys made it early on, so this just screws those of us who studied on our own with no help.
Just what we need. Another large batch of gold braids forced into retiring early, suckin our pension dry.
Not telling em anything we haven't said time and time again on this blog. No need for more than 5 exempt spots. All other positions can be filled by Sgts. and Lts. We have numerous Sgts right now working in capacity of acting Commanders. Make no new Captains, and this will save on salaries and pensions. Also, it will cut down on some of the politics, ass kissing, and out and out purchasing of gold stars. It's about time.
Rahm is right. Many of our Supervisors are just connected, Clouted Goof-balls. From Patrol, Detective Division, Training Div; etc; these clouted ones can't make a pimple on a true Supervisors Ass. They just go with the program, cover for the useless, goofy, and Clouted, and all work the Shit out of the good employees till they are burnt out and quit or become Dogs, then never push for the good, hard workers to be promoted, they just go along with the Political Clout regime in their usual ball-less way, so they can keep the good ones behind with them to do their bidding, in their own selfish manner, to try to keep themselves looking good.
For more than a decade I've told folks around me that the best actual reform possible would be to bust a bunch of exempts back to civil service rank and then put them all in a fast district on 1st watch and order them to carry out ALL duties of the watch.
A bunch of these fuckers have not performed police work in the patrol division in decades, and wouldn't recognize 007 after midnight in their worst nightmares.
Pretenders almost to the last one.
Problem with this rumor is that to address the utter incompetence wholly Rahm would have to address the little problem with Shields, and its doubtful that he can do it. But any movement in the direction of busting the current crop of exempts back would be a great start.
Heh heh...
Amusing to say the least but we wonder if this is way too little and far too late?
This IS interesting though...
BUT...
If they wanted to make an impression on us from where we stand, they would also destroy the influence and interference with the operation of the Department by the west & south side runnin' dog rev'runs.
If the Emanuel camp DOES NOT DO THIS then they may as well bring back Vance Henry as CAPS Coordinator since they're so hot to re-animate the brain sucking, life-blood draining zombie known as CAPS.
Why not bring him back? Everyone knows he was a mole for the "corner clowns" and the rev'runs who were running interference at the street level, laundering money and moving dope and guns.
Nobody knows "nuttin'" about individuals of GREAT INTEREST being snagged on the wires and openly boasting about how CPD has been effectively stymied to a stand-still by the interference/pressure from city hall by way of certain alderfools acting in collusion with the rev'runs and their "boy" who had the mayor's ear.
Part of this fuckery involves more than a few exempts being beholden to these funky bastards. We've seen this shit too up close and personal and it's maddening. Chasing some fool around and coppers getting hurt/middled and fucked over because the fool turns out to be rev'run doyouknowhoiam's mouth breathing spawn.
Color us impressed when Emmanuel lives up to his reputation by sliding a knife between the ribs of fuckery... We doubt it since both he and fuckery are creations of Daley Inc., which has a native interest in seeing CPD stymied anyway...
We would like to see how they're going to motivate Policemen who are very deep into survival mode and not giving a fuck mode about anything or anybody other than getting themselves and their comrades home safe.
We can see it now... "Give a fuck or else and stop trying to hard to protect yourselves. We need coppers to throw under the bus to make the public think we're tough on you guys."
As much as it pains us, there will always be a supply of useful idiots giving these fools plenty of anti-Police ammo.
This is looking more and more like ROBOCOP was not just a movie but the future of law enforcement in Chicago. OCP here we come!
I disagree. First of all no politician who plans on additional terms would subscribe to this, those clouted positions are worth more votes than impressing only those business minded types who would like to see this done. Thgat being said, maybe Rahm does not plan on a second term and wants this to be an example of his innovative techniques as he attempts to springboard to his next position, perhaps Governor. I disagree from a patrolman's perspective not because I have clout and think it will spoil my chances of promotion, because I don't have clout. I just think that there is an enormous amount of unplucked talent within our ranks that isn't being utilized and would not ever be utilized under that sort of system. I am not against bringing an outsider into this department, but obviously they better be the real police and not some phony FBI guy who recruits idiots for his policy group who fuck up everything they touch. One outsider like a Bratton or a Timoney, a semi-outsider like Ramsey, fine. Not multiple civilian outsiders, it would cause even more chaos then we had in the past three years. Narrow down the command structure. Eliminate the Captain rank through attrition. Make commanding officers accountable for their performance within reason like NYPD. You can't perform to a reasonable degree, you get demoted.
We are not OCP in Old Detroit
The Hand of God could come down and anoint those who would be promoted....
...and you would still get a lawsuit from the atheists.
hire civilians to manage cpd
most of our command staff would still be patrolman if not for MERIT , CLOUTORIOUS PROMOTIONS
we can't do any worse , maybe then a Police Officer without clout will get a good assignment or a real merit promotion
different boss same dance. Rahm won't do a dam thing differently, at least not as far as it it goes for city workers.
All BS and it's all the same stuff just dressed up different and from a new crew. It's the city way! Any new test(s) will cost $$$$$$$$$$$$ and does the city have $$$$, NO.
Opens the door for more "pinstripe patronage" but even that is better than the rampant corruption of the last bunch of promo tests and clout promotions. Thumbs up for the lesser evil.
The first person they should dump is the Area 1 Deputy chief he and his staff are useless.
OT: Homeland Security Failure.
Passengers arrive on Tokyo flight at O'hare -- trip radiation sensors.
The story is here :
http://chicagobreakingbusiness.com/2011/03/tokyo-passengers-trigger-ohare-radiation-dectors.html
So we spent billions of dollars on homeland and airport security and we don't stop people getting on the planes. No we stop them from getting off.
Guess we'll here the same tired excuses soon -- like when the Mexican Flu was coming across the border. That is: "....well trying to stop it now is like locking the barn door after the horses got out -- it's already here..."
Isn't that how it goes? No accountability for anything.
Outsource the police department so that you can get around union and pension issues. Oh, those are contractors..the rules don't apply to them
The first step of a many step plan.
Hasn't anyone learned anything?
Like the residency issues -- We're going to look at residency requirements.
Yep, we look at 'em and decided everything is fine the way it is.
This method worked there and now it's time to repeat the process and play the same games with the hot button issue of the rank and file of unfair promotions and unqualified leaders. Yep, we looked at -- our "independent" contractor look at it as a matter of fact and decided everything is just fine the way it is.
One huge kabuki theater show is all it is imo.
Sounds good until they make friends
I was always under the assumption that the tact team that all scored at the top of the detectives exam was the smartest team ever assembled. Are you trying to say they might have been cheating?
where does Rahm go camping?
does cpd need tact lts
supervising 1 sgt and 8 to 10 officers , assign tact teams to watch commander and maybe wc will require tact teams work a full shift
Total bullshit.
The plan is to change nothing.
Has anyone else heard Downtown Ernie Brown has been boxed out? No authority at all? Rahmbo got the black vote without the reverunds, so doesn't kowtow to them like Daley?
We seem to have the same problem here at Fire, especially on the EMS side. All those that worked at 35th street, or are on or close to someone on the "squads" landed especially high on the lists.
once again, this very insignificant blog seems to get things done...........
THANK YOU SCC :}
even if only some of this becomes true to life, its a great step ahead in the right direction.
Anyone at HQ should be ineligible for exam. Same as when a contest is run by the procure sector which excludes employees and family from winning
I'm sure it'll be more of the same..
SCC, I too agree, if this rumor is true. I also like the idea of interviewing. Its time to clean up the brass from top down. We have a lot of great talent all the way down to patrol. It'll be nice to see a change.
I say the Chicago Police Department 200 years of tradition unhindered by progress in jest. SCC, where are you getting your info? So we are going to be run by a police department within our department? So to be promoted, I have to be accepted into the elite police department? You crazy!
I do agree that the CPD is far too top heavy with unqualified people. I don't agree with bringing in more outsiders regardless of where they come from and what kind of resume they flaunt.
Does anyone think they can't be gotten to by influential people...please! And Transparency??? Yeah, this crap will make this Department about as transparent as Rahm was a resident of Illinois for the last two years.
Bringing in more outsiders will only bring this Department down deeper than we are now thanks to JW.
I see this as an excuse for the powers that be to avoid addressing the real issues that are staring them in the face and we all know what they are...
This is not a solution but another bandaid approach to solving problems that have been around longer than most anyone reading this blog!
Take this to the bank,a P.O. at the small airport will be made exempt as soon as things settle down,he was here today on 35th meeting with Hillard. Hush Hush right! The guy though is very cunning acts like he has no clue but when he is made surprise! He is also a vengeful SOB! Pity the bosses who did what they did to him, karma is a bitch! He also is a friend of rahms chief of staff and Rahm seems to like him,and that he is a minority on paper with less than 1% on CPD.
Masters' picture is gone from the department organization website!!!
Hear that RayRay is headn to 003!
Anyone else hear he got dumped...
Man hope not for his sake-he crossed a lot of folks while kissing jfleds tail....
Good idea... shake them up. Nothing wrong with brining experienced people in to replace entrenched or clouted exempts who are out of touch with the ranks. At least they were the police unlike the forehead.
Yeah can you say Georgas and Kennedy??????????????
Maybe they can hire Vanecko. I hear he's a real wizard with the finances and he'll kill you if you disagree.
This just in from downtown: GEU to dump 80 p.o.'s 10 sgts. and 1 lt. at change day.(the p.o.'s and sgt.'s not to be told until the day before so 35th street is not bombarded with clout phone calls) The funny thing about this is that nobody knows how they are going to do it or where anyone is going to be sent after they get dumped. There is also rumblings that MSF has to give up 100 p.o.'s and 8 sgt's and narcotics has to dump 50 p.o's and 3 sgt's. This is all gonna happen under Hillard so when the new Supt. comes in (whoever that may be is anyones guess right now) all the dirty work is done and Patrol will be almost fully staffed. Stay tuned Ladies and Gents because the next few weeks are going to be really intresting.
I have just one question: Where is the city going to get all the patrol cars and radios from to accomadate all these p.o.'s coming back to the districts?
Rahm O'manuel stopped by to say hi!
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Haven't we had enough politically connected civilians:
Masters, Ladner, O'Keefe, Shear, O'Connell-Doyle, Roman, Johnston, etc.
They along with Weis are the downfall of this once fine department.
Should Emanuel bring in more civilian "bosses" it will be just more of the same old problems = civilians that have no knowledge or expertise in police matters.
One thing is for sure, they're are way to many brass on the job. Way too many high ranking bosses, the most in the county. Huge waste!
Anonymous said...
What everyone on this blog has got to understand is this: Morale does not matter, to those in charge. We have to deal with the reality that we already have a substanstial number of people on this job, for whatever reason who just want to get by. De Gaulle the French President and anti-American once said that the graveyards are filled with men who were indispensible. What the rank and file want means little. On any given day we already have hundreds of coppers staging their own form of blue flu. Every position on this job has someone waiting to fill it. I have seen good cops turn into morons because they are 20 out on the Sgts. List. These guys become obsessed and driven and they threaten to lay down if not promoted and everyone promoted ahead of them is scum. So Rahm can bring in whomever he wants to do whatever they want, and not a one of you will quit. Because the reality is that most of us are being paid more than we are worth anywhere else. That is the reality, deal with it. And if you really are good at this job; you love it.
3/17/2011 11:13:00 AM
Nice post. I'm not sure if I agree with all of it, but nice post just the same.
I told you guys this back in September 2010. The lists are going to be torn down. Detective and Lieutenant for sure. Their MAY BE one more Sgt class due to retiring supervisors. The city believes that the dicks are underworked! Tom Byrne has requested 3 dick classes to be promoted over the last 18 months. His requests are denied by city hall. Now everything is on hold for Rahm. Rahm wants his people to be promoted in command. I am a civilan at city hall and hear the bosses talking. My brother is CPD and is close to getting promoted as a detective. He definitely won't make it now. Also, forget the lawsuits if the lists are torn down. People at city hall read this blog and were laughing about that. They say they can take down a list whenever they please. And lastly, rahm is calling the shots right now-not Daley. Daley has given Rahm the go ahead now. He's down here at city hall 3-4x a week having meetings with people. Ask around, people will confirm this.
Well, as holder of the exalted position of Patrolman For Life in my current duty assignment of Beat Car Operator, frankly, I don't give a damn.
But my sister's cousin's boyfriend just got on a really clouted tac team! I was going to get the answers this time!!!
"Transparent and fair?" Sounds like Albania.
The testing system on this job is rigged. Most people promoted off the list had the key answers and word phrases given to them prior to taking the test. I am not saying there are not people out there that made it legit because there are a few, please keep in mind some bosses see these test before they are administered, if you don't think they are giving their people the answers you kidding yourself. Mauer is responsible for promotion then any boss in the history of this job.
Still lots and lots of talk about Ramsey going to Chicago and as I mentioned before, Philly P/O's would love to see him gone.
The latest on the Philly LEO forum according to one poster:
Word has it that Jody Weis AND Kevin Tucker both submitted their resumes!
Swapping rejects?
Civilian (private sector police) contractors that will employ retired exempts.
SOS, different day.
For every merit dope they make a test guy looses out. This is money in your pocket that they are taking from you the test guy and giving it to their friends the merit guy. CPAs have to pass a exam, lawyers have to pass the bar exam, doctors have to pass the medical board exam and a shit load of other professions have to pass exams to practice their professions as well as get continuing education to maintain their certification. I never ever heard of one of them saying "Some people are just not test takers so it's only fair to have merit promotions". We merit boys I'll give you the secret, you read the material. Then when you take the test you will know the answer. It works, trust me.
HIllard said last night at the NOBLE meeting that he has no intention to throw out any promotional list that as they stand, respectively. He will leave it to the next Supt. to do as he/she sees fit to do from the lists that exist. I doubt any of the lists will be thrown out before next year; I would expect at least one more class from each list (Det, Sgt., Lt.), and possibly after THAT (by the end of the year) the new Supt. will announce a new exam procedure that will fall into line with what Emanuel envisions. And for the record, I think what Rahm is proposing at least SOUNDS good for now. And no, I didn't vote for the guy.
There was a meeting at the Uof I today, Hillard, Richardson, Molloy,
Radtke, and one more. Putting together a group to be the civilian contractor to the Dept., pay back to Hillard for being the actor.
These lists are out. Move on. Rahm is so disgusted with the bosses we have, he is not going to promote another one under the same process.
It sounds interesting I would say it could work if all the spots were replaced with independent outsiders, or even some legitimate sgt's or LTs who were promoted.
Because let's face it with this place and most other places. Problems start @ the top. You fix the top and give people opportunities instead of nepotism or clout, You'll make most of the rank and file happy. If you promote people with no credibility or integrity no one will have an ounce of respect for them. If you don't give people a chance or sugar coat opprtunities(ie..applying to some units) their morale goes down hill.
I don't like the privitzation idea though. But I welcome a complete change in bosses.
If people are brought in they will not do well by the rank and file. It will be just another diaster in the making brought to you by those who would privatize everything because they can not manage
ot 300 hundred geu back to districts all tact teams in uniform
Anonymous said...
Yeah speaking of idiot bosses look at LB midnights in 008dist. Next to last on score but promoted to sgt merit. Thanks Dugan. LB is a cancer and ruining our watch. Leave please no one wants to listen to your stupid war stories anymore
Hmmmmmmmmm how come nobody will tell him to his face ??? I work on the watch and he is OK to me. He one of the few Sgts. who will put you in for an honorable, Takes care of the workers, and will back you up. The people that don't like him are usually the ones with fleas ... I have an idea this poster is not on the watch at all. They used to rip BS too when he was the tact sgt. but he backs you up too. He could cut back on the war stories though ...
Rumor that KB got the boot from Intelligence.
Transparent? C'mon, this is just another way for retired exempts to land another job "in the department". It's not cutting the budget, it's just fattening-up the paycheck to the retirees who will already be making 100G on their pension. Another thing, who's pension are these "top civilians" going to siphon off? The patrolmen's that is already underfunded by shitty hall? This stinks to high heaven.
All they have to do is cut the current assist. deputies...why do we need 3 assist. deputies in the det div (Field Group A, B, C)...why do we need 2 assist dep in patrol, we always got along with one. To get rid of what we have just to replace it with clouted "civilians" is insane and not cost-effective. We already went through that horrible experiment with JFled, Masters, Brust, etc.,, these goofs didn't know their way out of a paper bag.
Take down the list! There will be no more det or Sgt promotions this year. Start study to "20 out"dd Go find yourself a lawyer for your lawsuit. Good luck
What Is A Private Sector Police Contractor ?
As someone who studied legit, scored under 230, waited over 4 years to still be just under 100 out, I say WTF. All the clout guys made it early on, so this just screws those of us who studied on our own with no help.
3/17/2011 11:16:00 AM
Ditto. Many of those "high scorers" had the advantage of those "special study groups by invitation only", usually by an exempt who had the oppotunity to "consult" on the exam. The "merits" of course, those "who don't test well" and happened to have some sort of clout got their promotion. To those who scored high on their own and got promoted, congrats. To those who are "on the cusp" and studied their asses off without help, those are the ones who will be screwed. Rahm could a few accolades from this dept. it he promotes the next few classes directly off the list and forego the atrocious 30% merit.
All this logic comes from a ballerina with a bs in fine arts. great.
Anonymous said...
As someone who studied legit, scored under 230, waited over 4 years to still be just under 100 out, I say WTF. All the clout guys made it early on, so this just screws those of us who studied on our own with no help.
3/17/2011 11:16:00 AM
Wake up and smell the coffee. Nothing is legit. Sorry but try for another side career.
CPD will never be legit on promotions, as long as Democommiecrats run the City.
8:05 A.M.,you my brother,hit the nail right on the head.Rahm could give a shit about police moral.It's all about his future.
Do you all really believe a mass dumping of exempts is good for the CPD. Look what happened last time that happened. Lets See:
A chief of staff who believed everyone should report to him.
A outsider that believed we were all a bunch of idiots.
A department who lost all identity with stupid ideas like getting rid of part of our uniform.
A total lack of chain of command.
Moral at all time lows.
A constant comparison to LA, instead of saying that LA should be compared to us.
how could anyone want someone that does not know our culture? Does not know our City? Does not know some of the men and women that gave thier lives for us and this city and shine on the memorial wall forever? Outsiders dont understand that. They will come in here, do a mass dumping, think that they know better, then slowy go back to the way it was.
All of you are smarter then that. We need to promote from within. Not some RETIRED outsider who could give a shit about what it means to wear our uniform and go through our academy.
Want to fix the tests. Go off rank order only on the multiple choice portion and do it on computer where your score is immedietely calculated.
Want to know why they wont do that.
Because they wont like the racial, ethnic, gender breakdown of that.....
.....Because the reality is that most of us are being paid more than we are worth anywhere else. That is the reality, deal with it. And if you really are good at this job; you love it.
3/17/2011 11:13:00 AM
Wow. Promote this guy. Seriously great post.
Remember.
Earned, not given.
I have taken many promotional exams and never invited into THE STUDY group where it just seems that the many get promoted from.
I have asked for my last two sergeant exams and been refused. The only way for me to get a copy of my scored exams would be through a lawsuit.
I truly hope this is the beginning of "civilizing" the department, particularly taming and refining our exempts, BUT I AM NOT HOLDING MY BREATH FOR IT.
If this saying is true, "Never trust a fed" then I guess the corollary would be, "never trust a politician." I didn't vote for Emmanuel, but if what his transition team says is true, then I'll believe it when I see it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This just in from downtown: GEU to dump 80 p.o.'s 10 sgts. and 1 lt. at change day.(the p.o.'s and sgt.'s not to be told until the day before so 35th street is not bombarded with clout phone calls) The funny thing about this is that nobody knows how they are going to do it or where anyone is going to be sent after they get dumped. There is also rumblings that MSF has to give up 100 p.o.'s and 8 sgt's and narcotics has to dump 50 p.o's and 3 sgt's. This is all gonna happen under Hillard so when the new Supt. comes in (whoever that may be is anyones guess right now) all the dirty work is done and Patrol will be almost fully staffed. Stay tuned Ladies and Gents because the next few weeks are going to be really intresting.
I have just one question: Where is the city going to get all the patrol cars and radios from to accomadate all these p.o.'s coming back to the districts?
3/17/2011 04:01:00 PM
cars are simple take them with! msf and tru work 1 watch but have many cars,while district cars are used 24/7,radios same thing take from the units they are leaving simple huh?
"As someone who studied legit, scored under 230, waited over 4 years to still be just under 100 out, I say WTF. All the clout guys made it early on, so this just screws those of us who studied on our own with no help."
I agree. I think they made 370 sgts off the last list (not including merit) I thought for sure they would have made the same amount this time around.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Take this to the bank,a P.O. at the small airport will be made exempt as soon as things settle down,he was here today on 35th meeting with Hillard. Hush Hush right! The guy though is very cunning acts like he has no clue but when he is made surprise! He is also a vengeful SOB! Pity the bosses who did what they did to him, karma is a bitch! He also is a friend of rahms chief of staff and Rahm seems to like him,and that he is a minority on paper with less than 1% on CPD.
3/17/2011 03:27:00 PM
Ahh I know who that is! He was walking around 35th today,he worked here at 1 time for a short while, agreed the guy is smart, knows how to keep his mouth shut,and is very friendly with city hall people. Guy has lots of friends hope he gets a position! My guess he will be running 51st as unit C.O., i know they dumped all the coppers but the automotive knowledge he has far surpasses the current employees! Good luck to him,and hope he remembers me!! From the guy you taught peak driving years ago!
Rumor that KB got the boot from Intelligence.
True dat and the Intelligence Commander to be gone soon!! not a Rahm guy and hated by Pos Bye Bye Mikey
I've read this several times and don't have a clue to what it means.
For goodness sake already, it's "MORALE," not "moral.
So anybody close to Rahm in the dept?
That's "moral." Sorry. See you have me befuddled.
kB, back to 023 from Intelligence! Ha ha!!! You reap what you sow! Enjoy being a pariah for the next 20 years, Tactical Barbie!
The first person they should dump is the Area 1 Deputy chief what a hater.
How about unqualified sergeants in geu area 5
Shortshanks made the CPD a poltical patronage dumping ground because he could not plug people into the other various city departments due to the federal monitor's oversight. Rahm will continue this policy and will probably take it to a whole other level. Political hacks will prosper on this job (as will campaign contributing private firms) and hardworking police will get screwed. More of the same old.
All the Excellent Police work in the world would not get you promoted.
3/17/2011 09:21:00 AM
Never a truer word written!!!!!!
"' All the clout guys made it early on, so this just screws those of us who studied on our own with no help."
THIS SO TRUE.
I'm 75 out on Det test and in 500s on Sgt test and now they plan on pulling both. WTF happen to the tradition of 500 of course all the clout Assbags only took part 1 and were in the first class anyways.
it. And if you really are good at this job; you love it.
3/17/2011 11:13:00 AM
This line is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
"It will also lead to a more transparent promotional process for future bosses"
Someone is daydreaming. The transparency will be superficial. Need I explain why?
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Well it will be transparant, NO ONE WILL GET PROMOTED FROM THE RANKS, only outsiders and FOR's need apply! LOL
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" - Roger Daltry, the WHO.
We said it all in "Dont Get Fooled Again".
s/Peter Townshend, the WHO.
P.S.: Thank you for your CD purchases, Chicago.
Hmmm..... Kennedy and Georgas worked for Mauer as sgt's when he was the Dep. Chief of A/3 and one of those in charge of suggesting questions for the new Lt test at the time. And could you believe, surprisingly enough they finished #1 and #2 on the lieutenants list. Neither one of them ever did a lick of police work in their life, and were always given cake spots their entire career, po's, sgt's, lt. They were even given easy spots as cmdrs' 001, 018.
Could you imagine if they ever had to be in charge of a busy distrit? Say like 007, 011, 010 etc. Yep, another 2 cases of "given, not earned ".
does cpd need tact lts
supervising 1 sgt and 8 to 10 officers , assign tact teams to watch commander and maybe wc will require tact teams work a full shift
3/17/2011 02:03:00 PM
WTF Tact Lt do you know that supervises 1 sgt and 8-10 P.O.s. Troll or ignorant dumb ass!!
when you "dump" agressive officers from units , tact etc. you lose people that are flexible, easily moved around and work. AND you create demoralized "dogs" that wont do shit, Or the bare minimum...
So not only do those who sold their soul to be exempts under weis have to take unpaid furlough days, thus changing their seniority date should they return to their civil service rank, but many might get launched back in rank just under the minimum required to wet their beak in our pension system as exempts.
What a shame. Couldn't happen to a better bunch. Earned, not given remember.
Anonymous said...
Hmmm..... Kennedy and Georgas worked for Mauer as sgt's when he was the Dep. Chief of A/3 and one of those in charge of suggesting questions for the new Lt test at the time. And could you believe, surprisingly enough they finished #1 and #2 on the lieutenants list. Neither one of them ever did a lick of police work in their life, and were always given cake spots their entire career, po's, sgt's, lt. They were even given easy spots as cmdrs' 001, 018.
Could you imagine if they ever had to be in charge of a busy distrit? Say like 007, 011, 010 etc. Yep, another 2 cases of "given, not earned ".
3/18/2011 12:14:00 AM
I recall when working Cabrini special employment that Georgas would watch the POD cameras FROM HOME and call in on his police radio and order officers to change locations and to move around the buildings, like General Patton moving his battalions in battle.
Except beat 1800 was at home, with his family presumably, and watching the officers near 1230 Burling and 1230 Larrabee as he played his insane chess game.
What a moron. Was then and still is.
How about looking at those within the ranks of the Sgt. and Lt. who never had a meritorious promotion and have years of experience in patrol. Right there you can see who had no clout and beat the odds to get promoted on their own. If those people were also Detectives legit that would ahow they really have the intelligence, resolve, and dedication that is needed to put this department back on track.
AMEN.. I am one of those but I know I will never get any higher in rank. But I don't care I love this Job.
does cpd need tact lts
supervising 1 sgt and 8 to 10 officers , assign tact teams to watch commander and maybe wc will require tact teams work a full shift
Yes they do need Tact Lt's they are the relief watch commanders on all watches and in all districts lately. But you are right they appear not to need them running the Tact teams.
The first person they should dump is the Area 1 Deputy chief what a hater.
Yes he is.
aggressive tact officers? comon guy- if your aggressive you'll be aggressive no matter where they put you-
These lists are out. Move on. Rahm is so disgusted with the bosses we have, he is not going to promote another one under the same process,
How can he be disgusted with our bosses when he doesn't even know who most of them are below the rank of Commander?
To whoever the poster is that keeps writing about the 1st watch Sgt in 008: We get it. You think the guy's a stroke.
Maybe he is. You need to get over it though. Life is too short.
WTF Tact Lt do you know that supervises 1 sgt and 8-10 P.O.s. Troll or ignorant dumb ass!!
I dont any tact
Lt that supervises 1 sgt and 8-10 P.O.s........or does anything else during their 4hr tour
Don't trust the Black Swan.
To the clueless Goof that said MSF has plenty of cars. We just lost 5 cars, had to turn them in, we also lost a whole bunch that they junked, most of our cars are crap, thank god for a team of guys and a Sgt who made sure our cars were fixed. They handle all the SWAT trucks and the Command Van. These guys work like dogs, I just bet where you work you have new Tahoos, we didn't get any cause we are not a district. The car situation is tough, there are many of inside people in Narcotics that have take home unmarked, not covert, but M- plated squads. This is alot of crap cause they just took 25 cars away from theSWAT guys who respond from home 24-7. So do your homework. Sgt. Nancy Sweeney. feel free to call me if you have any questions.
Might as well bring back Barb McDonald as well.
Private Study Groups:
What kills me is that these "Private Study Groups" are conducted in a government / city owned building. With that being done every department member should be able to attend.
Shame on you bosses that have created a huge conflict of interest!!!
Jfled or our current bosses, who's worse? One of them is gone now! Time for the rest to leave! The majority of the rank and file have no faith in any of you!
Promotions??? Hell......I just want a pension when I retire!
"Neither one of them ever did a lick of police work in their life, and were always given cake spots their entire career, po's, sgt's, lt."
You left out the LT. in Media Affairs she was one of Maurers House Kittys
Bringing back old bosses of whatever rank is a very bad idea. They have the same issues and same alliances as they did prior to leaving. I have seen Hiram Grau at Headquarters that when he thought he was going to be First Deputy Superintendent, he was a total ass to ALL of the previous First Deputy's staff. He also made a bunch of promises to politicians on what he would do for their people. I also saw Tom Wheeler who was just forced out of Frank Limon's Chief command for being a total ass hole. This guy not only likes the same as he, he has never ever been the police, he has never worked the street, the Chief of Detectives at the time Maria Maher had to threaten him to even get him to come to work to a place in Area 2 that he knew nothing about.
Why would you be looking at old bosses? THey are old for a reason. Also, we don't have time to teach bosses to be bosses. Use what we have to fix the problems at hand. Stop re-inventing the wheel. Its time to move on!
Michael Shields ran hiding when Weis dumped him, though he had a cushy spot in Area 3. What kind of example is that? He ran when shit got bad while the rest of us endured. Fuck him! I wouldn't work for him and neither would any other brass!
maurer,barb macdonold, stop i'll have nitemares. but then if chuck gets the supt's job barb will be back. scary?
Anonymous said...
The first person they should dump is the Area 1 Deputy chief what a hater.
Yes he is.
3/18/2011 07:55:00 AM
He is an arrogant ass who should not be in Patrol. When is the last time he ever worked in patrol before getting that spot. How stupid. Oh we keep forgetting, another one of Jodi Weis' boys. He needs to go just as much as MM and the Feds!
The Central group for 001 and 018 is a waste. 018 and 001 part of area 3. There was a time when this extra spot was not created.
I work down at 35TH St, and I handle a TON of paper work from the Supt. This is what is REALLY going to happen... TRU and MSF officers are going to be placed into districts in or near their residence. All of the officer's from GEU will be sent back to the districts from which they came from; however, the 3 citywide teams are going to be placed into ether the DEA task force, or the ICE task force. To try and save money, Capt's are ether going to be asked to retire or be placed back to the rank of Lt. Each district will have now 1 to 3 teams (picked by the Dis Commander) for "gang, narcotics, and gun" teams. Depending on the crime index. Now this is straight from the desk of the man.
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