Spring is Here
Not by the calendar of course. But by the number of unpredicted shootings:
- Several people suffered gunshot wounds in various parts of the city Wednesday as the mild temperatures began to take hold, officials said.
The first shooting occurred on the 5100 block of South Calumet Avenue at 4:23 p.m. and resulted in a 38-year-old man being shot in the left side of his body, police said. The man was taken to Stroger Hospital where his condition had stabilized, police said.
The man was on the street in the Washington Park neighborhood when two men standing across the street pulled out a handgun and fired several times, striking the victim, police said.
Additional shootings in Englewood, two in Rogers Park and another at 69th and Yale.
In somewhat related news, an AdMin Fax is out saying that all crime predicting data will be released ONLY through the D.O.C. and CPIC. Nothing at all about the Crystal Ball Unit (Predictive Analytics). Have the boys and girls over at the CBU been clipped?
In somewhat related news, an AdMin Fax is out saying that all crime predicting data will be released ONLY through the D.O.C. and CPIC. Nothing at all about the Crystal Ball Unit (Predictive Analytics). Have the boys and girls over at the CBU been clipped?
Labels: crime, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
68 Comments:
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
These are just the usual day-and-night mayhem -- what I liked tonight were the headlines glaring from all the Sun-Times newspaper boxes on all the corners.
Witnesses question accounts of homicide case tied to Daley nephew
By TIM NOVAK and CHRIS FUSCO Staff Reporters Mar 16, 2011 05:24PM
"The Chicago Police Department’s accounts of a drunken Rush Street confrontation seven years ago involving Richard J. “R.J.” Vanecko — a nephew of Mayor Daley and White House chief of staff William Daley — and its two resulting investigations into David Koschman’s death fill 82 pages.
"Yet the half-inch-thick series of police reports — recently released two months after a Chicago Sun-Times public records request — leaves gaps in recounting what witnesses say happened in the early-morning hours of April 25, 2004, a Sun-Times investigation has found.
"The police reports also attribute statements to friends of Koschman — and to a bystander described by prosecutors as one of the two “unbiased witnesses” — that they say they didn’t make or that distort what they told detectives..."
http://www.suntimes.com/
4261612-417/witnesses-
question-accounts-of-
homicide-case-tied-to
-daley-nephew.html
It's not going away, is it, R.J.? Sweat, you motherf__er.
You never know what will happen when your sleeve gets caught up in the gears of "justice" and you get pulled in. There are people in Illinois prisons who've been there since the 1940s.
Oh, privilege? You think you'll buy your way out? Bernard Madoff had lots of money -- I think he's doing 120 years.
Sometimes they simply CAN'T let someone like you walk away because it would make a laughing stock of the judicial system.
Boy, something tells me that you might be made an example of.
Sweet dreams.
"In somewhat related news, an AdMin Fax is out saying that all crime predicting data will be released ONLY through the D.O.C. and CPIC. Nothing at all about the Crystal Ball Unit (Predictive Analytics).
MSF intel briefs have been abolished. IAD took their computers. Disseminating their own information is prohibited I guess.
OT--
Here, the delicate, maybe-they-happened-maybe-they-didn't negotiations begin to attempt to lever Father Michael Pfleger out of his empire at St. Sabina's -- 30 years, 'way longer than priests usually stay and even longer than we've suffered under Mayor Daley II.
http://www.suntimes.com
/4348710-417/rev.-michael
-pfleger-reportedly-
asked-by-cardinal-francis
-george-to-leave-st.
-sabina
"Cardinal Francis George had dinner with the Rev. Michael Pfleger Friday to discuss the possibility of Pfleger’s departure from St. Sabina, where the popular, sometimes controversial pastor, has served for 30 years, a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.
"The source, who asked to remain anonymous, said “several options” for Pfleger’s post-St. Sabina future were discussed. But “no offer was proffered,” the source said...
Leo High School President Dan McGrath strokes -- “Look down 79th Street and all redevelopment you see is attributable to him." Oh, come on. Without a dollar of tax money involved? Ha.
Reminds me of some of the great federal grant-appliers of years past -- just saw an article on how some do-gooder guy set the CVL up in all kinds of businesses on our dime, which have all gone to rack and ruin now, all boarded up again and back to Square Zero.
Expect more of the same.
Pfleger should spend a long, slow decline inventorying school supplies somewhere in South Dakota, with no media contact, just three hots and a cot and the warm glow of service to his God.
Big police/fire response to East Avenue/Cermak Road in Berwyn this evening as well. Battalion chief left but it sounded like more ambos were coming. One person seen to be seated on the ground, possibly young Mexican female, back to a garage door, in the space between the door and the front of a car left on the garage apron, two paramedics down there with her. No idea.
OT -- Here, one of the worst North Side "nursing homes" is gonna get the plug pulled.
Troubled Chicago nursing home may lose Medicaid funding
"Authorities have documented knife attacks, drug abuse at Wincrest Nursing Center
"Wincrest Nursing Center is an 80-bed home that primarily houses adults with mental illnesses, including dozens with felony records.
By David Jackson and Gary Marx, Tribune reporters
6:15 p.m. CDT, March 16, 2011
"Federal authorities are moving this week to terminate Medicaid funding to the troubled Wincrest Nursing Center on the city's North Side after state and federal inspections documented residents engaged in bloody fights and drug abuse that spilled from the facility out into the surrounding community.
"An 80-bed home that primarily houses adults with mental illnesses, including dozens with felony records, Wincrest has for years been the subject of complaints by local officials and neighbors, as well as students and staff from nearby Loyola University Chicago. Seven Loyola residence halls housing about 600 students stand within a block of the home at 6326 N. Winthrop Ave..."
The way the helpless, terrified elderly are forced into contact in nursing homes with violent parolees, sex offenders, and mental cases is the shame of the state of Illinois. How about it, Lisa Madigan, "chief law enforcement officer?" Too busy clawing for power to help?
Isn't it fairly easy to predict that there will be more street crime when:
1) the weather suddenly gets warm
2) the moon goes full
It's not rocket science. Nor does it require expensive computers and analysis models.
WEIS and his bullshit predictive horseshit, is nothing but a taxpayers expense. FUCK YOU WEIS, and your stupid shit...ASK a street cop and they will tell u where the shit goes down , and they have predicted this shit over & over, YOU FUCKING BLOCK HEAD WEIS !!
Eight shootings -- and counting?
The alderman are safe tho right?
Should this keep up we're probably going to have to increase taxes again for those praetorian guard units.
In somewhat related news, an AdMin Fax is out saying that all crime predicting data will be released ONLY through the D.O.C. and CPIC...
Could this be the reason that the computers were taken away from the MSF intel staff by IAD??? Have you, as a patrolman, ever received intel that came from the pointless D.O.C. meetings? I haven't! Word is that MSF can no longer disseminate information to its officers gathered through intel and spread through the dept. about gang conflicts, hot spots, wanted persons and areas of concern. I have always thought that the more a officer knows, the better equipped he will be....
Apparently, the powers at 35th St disagree.
Good luck this summer guys. We are all gonna need it.....Stay safe and back each other up....
(OT) Cardinal, Pfleger discuss him possibly leaving St. Sabina
On Monday, WBBM-Channel 2 cited unnamed sources in reporting that Cardinal George asked Pfleger to take over struggling Leo High School
When was the last time CPIC or the DOC ever put out anything in a timely manner that street cops could use? The crystal ball unit just said shootings could happen in bad neighborhoods. They needed a program for that?
OT
The attendance at the Award ceremony yesterday was unprecedented.It was awesome, so full the EXEMPTS had to stand in the back of the room. WELCOME HOME TERRY HILLARD. The only thing amiss, Who is Brian Murphy? talk about someone looking out of place, who is this guy?
Anonymous said...
When was the last time CPIC or the DOC ever put out anything in a timely manner that street cops could use? The crystal ball unit just said shootings could happen in bad neighborhoods. They needed a program for that?
3/17/2011 05:44:00 AM
A guy from CPIC came to roll call and spoke of recent TLO meetings and the importance of information reports etc. However, it seems they simply dropped many officers as TLO's arbitrarily and without warning or notice.
They just decided they had too many and poof, many were gone. But hey, please take it seriously and contribute those reports because we are the eyes and ears etc.
More bullshit.
The last time I was up at the Fusion Center they were all booking travel plans and pricing air fares and checking email on the banks of computers up there. Not one person I saw was actually doing any work.
And this is our front line of defense in the event of terrorist attack. The nerve center. The nexus of the whole operation.
And Daley is worried about more runways and another two Wal-marts on the south side.
Prepare yourselves in case of emergency because if there is a shitstorm this place is not prepared.
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
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phone would not be ringing .....if you were pushing a beat car and answering calls....and not taking in an 1811 with your 5 other co-workers....
I'm sure all the ladies in St. Sabina will be grieving this morning. No more Courvoisier and "comfort."
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
3/17/2011 12:27:00 AM
Funny, but wouldnt have to call for more cars if the districts were staffed properly, like having rapids, remember those?? So STFU
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!___________________________________
Well if there were more MSF people sent back to the districts, they wouldnt have to call for MSF.
I thought Rogers Park is going through gentrification???
Although I live in the far west end, I'm sick and tired of this neighborhood!!!
Anonymous said...
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
3/17/2011 12:27:00 AM
Quit patting yourself on your back, HANDJOB.
The reason your phone was ringing is because they took damn near EVERYONE out of patrol to go to that dipshit unit in the first place.
You want to go pump your chest out sonny boy, that is fine, but go 57-2 in the morning sometime and listen to the BS the HANDJOBS in "Strike Force" bring in. Nothing to be bragging about that you got three blows off a white kid from Glen Ellyen on the west side at 9 o'clock at night sonny, nothing special about that at all.
HANDJOB!
Fuck Pfleger... He should be ex communicated from the church.
Handguns are illegal in Chicago. Perhaps the police should do more search warrants?
Why does msf need computers for? They gonna get rid of you too.
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
3/17/2011 12:27:00 AM
Exactly, it was like " can you guys please finish up that one bagger arrest with 8 p.o.'s assisting and come help us out please, or are you heading to lunch?"
Anonymous said...
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
3/17/2011 12:27:00 AM
Congratulations! You have just won "BIGGEST JERKOFF POSTER" for this thread on the first shot. Good going.
If you "real police" were back in patrol where you belong, no one would be calling for your ass.
Remember son, nothing on this job lasts.
MSF INTEL REPORT for 17MAR11:
Per Commanding Officer, Mobile Strike Force, every officer assigned to this unit will today begin OPERATION HUGE TOOLS. Objective of said operation is to ensure that every MSF officer is so hated and dispised in the department that there would be no choice but to keep the unit going cause no one else would want to work with us.
Officers are instructed to post asinine comments on police related blogs, drive around in such a manner as to imply an attitutde of "our shit don't stink", and generally be the biggest fuck-mook's ever.
I hear its true, the Golden boy got his nuts cut so back to 9161
Oh yes, downsize Unit 153. I'm of the old school thought processing..."If one cannot solve a problem, then it must be eliminated". MSF is nothing like old S.O.S and it never will be again. The officers in MSF are way too young in age and have virtually no experience. Great majority are primadonnas who need a reality check! It's time for the unit to downsize to a more managable size. 350 plus is ridiculous!
Critics in MSF may cry foul, but believe me, MSF has run it's course and has failed in comparison to S.O.S. Ask any former S.O.S copper who has left MSF (there are many) and they will tell you the leadership at the Lieutenant level has been sorely lacking. The ONLY one worth his salt there is Godsel. The other two are destroying morale daily and not fit to lead men! Back in my heyday, HBT days, I would have leaned on them a bit to make things right, but this day and age dictates you can't. Publish this if you want, I don't give a rat's ass anymore about whether I stay or go?
-old guy in 153
Ot Rumor is MSF and TRU going to four and two's!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sweet dreams.
3/17/2011 12:41:00 AM
It's not the crime that gets 'em, it's the cover-up.
"I am not a crook!"
Isn't it fairly easy to predict that there will be more street crime when:
1) the weather suddenly gets warm
2) the moon goes full
It's not rocket science. Nor does it require expensive computers and analysis models.
3/17/2011 01:39:00 AM
you left out the 3rd factor.
do ya think this is the sun-times blog?
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
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STOP WE THESE 'STUPID' MSF POSTS!!!!
I am in MSF, have been there since the 1st day they hit the street. It's people like you that give MSF a bad reputation. Your probably the guy who takes your rifle out of its case at roll call to show everybody, talks about a foot chase where "I know he had a pistol"...then the story turns to .."he must have swallowed the dope"..just stop with these posts. MSF is not a "super cop" unit. Never was, never will be. Don't post stupid shit like that...like the city needs us!. We don't have capes and super powers. Enjoy the 10hr days, that's the only thing that keeps us all here. Go to a district and hop on a tac team if you want to walk around like your a bad ass.
MSF 'A'
Straight out of 35th street, a court sergeant (br50) who writes up an officer, who covered for him numerous times, sometimes the whole shift. Oh wait he got me a sandwich one time so we must be even. As I see it I saved him over 30 hours over the time I was there. It is a shame that you pretend to be a person that has the back of the blue shirts under you but you are nothing but a week sells out. You need to go and grab a cubical with the do as I say not as I do inspector! Never once did I say a word of the crap you get away with to anyone, but remember you never know who is watching you now.
Father Phleger will be going into semi-retirement. His only job will be to revamp and manage the Knights of Columbus Father Perez charter.
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
3/17/2011 12:27:00 AM
Well Mr. superstar in MSF. If you were in a district like you should be we wouldn't need to call for extra help since we are understaffed in districts. Besides you guys pulling up and sitting in the car and looking stupid isn't much help to us anyway, so go back to your pissers, drinkers and one baggers which you need 6-8 officers to process.
Anonymous said...
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
3/17/2011 12:27:00 AM
Of course MSF was called to send cars, they have cars, and officers to man them, patrol doesn't. Not until patrol is at full strength should the idea of units like MSF even be considered.
Chalkie says " listen to my AK go claka claka" it's gonna be a long summer
The crystal ball unit just said shootings could happen in bad neighborhoods. They needed a program for that?
3/17/2011 05:44:00 AM
And the lord said, "let there be waste." and there was waste.
Came to work last night on Zone 8 and we had 31 jobs waiting in 004, wait til it actually gets warm out!
I'm sure we weren't alone.
I have always thought that the more a officer knows, the better equipped he will be....
Apparently, the powers at 35th St disagree.
Good luck this summer guys. We are all gonna need it.....Stay safe and back each other up....
3/17/2011 05:07:00 AM
it's the moles.
I was told at a recent meeting of the exempts a certain exempt member with 5 yrs on the job, mmmm i wonder who that might be, can anyone predict...ooops i mean guess...anyways he stood up and said " I can tell you based on the numbers, it appears that there is more violence and more activity in the summer months than there is in th winter months " wow this dumb fuck figured that all out on his own and with the help of dell.....this is the kind of dumbshits we have running this department....
Free Bill Cozzi
OT: Remember when Jfed wanted the city to fight lawsuits?? Well, it paid off today.... In the case of Anderson et al v. City of Chicago, Illinois Case Number: 1:2009cv02311, it went to a federal jury and the plantiffs were DENIED everything! They won't get a penny! Good job, officers.
MSF and TRU do the exact same thing. Either disband one or meld them together. It's a total waste of manpower otherwise.
Just like dandelions, they are back as a thorn in lawful society.
Anyone hear anything on "the smoke and mirrors tour 2011?". Rumor last week was a order came out for another 100 bodies fifty to msf and fifty to tru. Anyone truth to this? Anyone hear anything else?
I thought Rogers Park is going through gentrification???
*****
It is. Building by building. Block by Block. It'lltake a very long time in east Rogers Park.
OT--
Not just any full moon to contend with this time --
March 19 'Supermoon' May Cause Moonquakes, Scientist Says
By Loren Grush
Published March 12, 2011
"There’s a supermoon on the rise next week. And according to Internet buzz, it’ll bring a scary surge in natural disasters around the globe.
"On March 19, Earth’s satellite will be at its closest point to our planet in 18 years -- a mere 356,577 kilometers away. The event -- also called a lunar perigee -- was dubbed a "supermoon" by astrologer Richard Nolle back in the 1970s. The term is used to describe a new or full moon at 90% or more of its closest orbit to Earth. Next week, it will be at 100%.
"On his website Astropro, Nolle warns Earth’s inhabitants to prepare themselves during the “supermoon risk window,” which ranges from March 16 – 22. During this time, Nolle claims there will be an increase in supreme tidal surges, magnitude 5 or higher earthquakes, and even volcanic activity..."
http://www.foxnews.com/
scitech/2011/03/12/supermoon
-cause-moonquakes-scientist
-says/
OT--
Another sign of spring!
House-Size Asteroid Zooms Close by Earth
Published March 17, 2011
"This NASA graphic depicts the orbit (blue curve) of asteroid 2011 EB47, which will pass close by Earth within the orbit of the moon on March 16, 2011, one day after it was discovered. The asteroid poses no threat of impacting Earth.
An asteroid the size of a house zoomed by Earth Wednesday, flying within the orbit of the moon just one day after astronomers spotting the space rock in the sky, NASA says.
"The small asteroid 2011 EB74 was about 47 feet across and posed no threat of hitting Earth, since it was too small to survive the trip through the planet's atmosphere."
http://www.foxnews.com/
scitech/2011/03/17/house
-size-asteroid-zooms-close
-earth/
"Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!"
Hey stupid, if the districts had all of the personnel that were cannibalized to make up that dumb-ass, clout unit, then you wouldn't have to worry about a ringing phone. In fact, your ass would be in one of those shorthanded districts — permanently. So, take heart, King Swinging-Dick: not only can you save the world, but you can save your fellow blueshirts as well. God! It must be great to be you.
"Disseminating their own information is prohibited, I guess."
--3/17/2011 12:52:00 AM
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill myself.
Uh...
3/17/2011 08:57:00 AM
deal.
Remember son, nothing on this job lasts.
3/17/2011 08:45:00 AM
there's always Viagra.
I'm sure all the ladies in St. Sabina will be grieving this morning. No more Courvoisier and "comfort."
3/17/2011 06:33:00 AM
you really meant to type 'trannies', right?
"Go to a district and hop on a tac team if you want to walk around like your a bad ass."
I'm on a tact team and I don't walk around like I'm a bad ass, so go pound sand strike team extraordinaire. You're a knob.
OFF TOPIC from Chicago Breaking News:
"Juries found in favor of Chicago police in two cases that spotlight a new city policy to be more aggressive in defending officers in lawsuits."
Glad to hear the City followed through what we've been saying for years.
I worked inside for a few months when I recovered from a surgery. I heard and seen a lot about MSF and TRU getting sent to places that are getting creamed on the streets- both units send out what size teams they have working that night and they get put in where they need them. MSF has a lot of bodies. I mean a lot. TRU seems a lot smaller. GUess which always seems more affective? Yep- the smaller one. Don't know why but it was the same all the time. That and getting help from TRU was always easier then from MSF. Don't know if it's there office people or because of where they are or what. Just my opinion.
Oh yes, downsize Unit 153. I'm of the old school thought processing..."If one cannot solve a problem, then it must be eliminated". MSF is nothing like old S.O.S and it never will be again. The officers in MSF are way too young in age and have virtually no experience. Great majority are primadonnas who need a reality check! It's time for the unit to downsize to a more managable size. 350 plus is ridiculous!
Critics in MSF may cry foul, but believe me, MSF has run it's course and has failed in comparison to S.O.S. Ask any former S.O.S copper who has left MSF (there are many) and they will tell you the leadership at the Lieutenant level has been sorely lacking. The ONLY one worth his salt there is Godsel. The other two are destroying morale daily and not fit to lead men! Back in my heyday, HBT days, I would have leaned on them a bit to make things right, but this day and age dictates you can't. Publish this if you want, I don't give a rat's ass anymore about whether I stay or go?
-old guy in 153
**************
Well said Mr.Godamski....you are a warrior with that John Wayne mustache.
To all of you in Rogers Park, you can solely thank Daley for shootings in your neighborhood. You see, when he let the dogs out of the CHA, he gave them vouchers for your neighborhood. Those were not school vouchers, they were Section 8 vouchers and now you get to enjoy diversity and shootings in what used to be a good place to live in the city. Remember, keep voting for democrats, idiots.
Isn't it fairly easy to predict that there will be more street crime when:
1) the weather suddenly gets warm
2) the moon goes full
It's not rocket science. Nor does it require expensive computers and analysis models.
3/17/2011 01:39:00 AM
you left out the 3rd factor.
do ya think this is the sun-times blog?
3/17/2011 10:12:00 AM
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LOL. Mea culpa.
Anonymous said...
Just like dandelions, they are back as a thorn in lawful society.
3/17/2011 02:59:00 PM
If you mix drinks as well as metaphors, you'd be a hell of a bartender.
you really meant to type 'trannies', right?
3/17/2011 06:38:00 PM
Oh no you diiidnt!
Funny. All the people screaming to downsize MSF but who's phone was ringing off the hook tonight to send more cars, send more cars!
Yeah Moron, because we need you actually working here in patrol not sitting in restaurants for 5 hours a night with 8 of your buddies.
I smell another make believe ribbon be created!
The Crime Reduction by Clairvoyant Prediction Award....yeah, that's the ticket. It will look so nice on his shiny new uniform.
Father Phleger will be going into semi-retirement. His only job will be to revamp and manage the Knights of Columbus Father Perez charter.
He'll never make it past all of the CPD/CFD/irish/former Sabina parishoners in there. Plus it's too close to Christina, and Fr. Marty & Purtell would just walk down and kick his ass. Fr. Hurley might even stop by for the beat down.
Vivat Jesus
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh yes, downsize Unit 153. I'm of the old school thought processing..."If one cannot solve a problem, then it must be eliminated". MSF is nothing like old S.O.S and it never will be again. The officers in MSF are way too young in age and have virtually no experience. Great majority are primadonnas who need a reality check! It's time for the unit to downsize to a more managable size. 350 plus is ridiculous!
Critics in MSF may cry foul, but believe me, MSF has run it's course and has failed in comparison to S.O.S. Ask any former S.O.S copper who has left MSF (there are many) and they will tell you the leadership at the Lieutenant level has been sorely lacking. The ONLY one worth his salt there is Godsel. The other two are destroying morale daily and not fit to lead men! Back in my heyday, HBT days, I would have leaned on them a bit to make things right, but this day and age dictates you can't. Publish this if you want, I don't give a rat's ass anymore about whether I stay or go?
-old guy in 153
**************
Well said Mr.Godamski....you are a warrior with that John Wayne mustache.
3/17/2011 10:25:00 PM
True! The kids here have no street experience and have no clue how to be the "cops"! I was there and left, they act like the world owes them and cannot be told anything,typical party on college kids!
S.O.S coppers come help one of your own at Bourbon Street tonight between 7pm-12.!!! Great guy who really got railroaded by supervisors. His family need money now that he's been fired. Show you still care...we're all we have in CPD.
-former 4330 team member
"I thought Rogers Park is going through gentrification???
*****
It is. Building by building. Block by Block. It'll take a very long time in east Rogers Park."
--3/17/2011 04:31:00 PM
After watching it for thirty years, I can say that the Kenmore/Winthrop corridor is also in an effectively permanent state of "gentrification with high crime."
True! The kids here have no street experience and have no clue how to be the "cops"! I was there and left, they act like the world owes them and cannot be told anything,typical party on college kids!
3/18/2011 01:03:00 PM
Shut up. Some not all. You'll find the same in the district or unit you are in now. Most are decent hard working coppers. Try and teach the youngsters something instead of running away and talking shit. Then again, running with tail between legs is always easier than loyalty and sticking it out to work with people you could pass something on to.
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