Friday, March 18, 2011

FOID Privacy Advances

  • A measure that would keep the state’s list of registered gun owners private has advanced in the Illinois House.

    The House Judiciary Committee voted 9-1 on Wednesday to exempt the list of Firearm Owner’s Identification (FOID) card holders from the state’s Freedom of Information Act.

    Earlier this month, Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan ruled that the Illinois State Police must release the names of the state’s registered FOID card holders because it is public information not exempted from FOIA access laws.

Here's a better idea - get rid of the FOID card. Illinois stands alone among the 50 states as requiring this inane piece of documentation. We don't know what politicians think is so unique among our citizenry that having this little piece of plastic somehow impacts gun violence but we can say that among the many gun arrests we've seen, made, participated in, etc., the number of people with valid FOID cards is well under ten, probably under five. It's an unnecessary government intrusion on a basic Constitutional Right.

And we're trying to figure out this comment by a supposed republican that doesn't seem to help our cause:
  • Citing nervous gun owners who are “up in arms, literally,” State Rep. Richard Morthland (R-Moline) sponsored legislation that would exempt the state’s FOID card list from FOIA requests.
We don't see anyone "up in arms" over this issue. We aren't wild-eyed gun nuts looking to overthrow the established order by force of arms. Statements like that, whether intentional or not, don't do us much good if it can be twisted into something other than what was intended.

We know that the regular left-tard anti-gun trolls will be checking in here again. Try not to waste your time - we won't be publishing your comments. We advocate concealed carry and responsible gun ownership for all Americans as the Founding Fathers intended. If you don't want to own a gun, don't. But don't expect us to kowtow to your willingness to surrender a Constitutionally guaranteed right. And before you start screaming "censorship!" we remind you that censorship is a government function. We aren't the government. No one is stopping you from starting your own blog and advocating your position to the best of your ability. We're just stopping you from polluting this bandwidth.

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42 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, Thanks for standing up to the anti-gun trolls. When the strong arm robbery crews terrorized the Northside a couple of years back, my gun pretty much covered all of the bases as far as getting to the house from the parking lot. Thats real security !

3/18/2011 03:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a privately owned blog and you don't have the guarantee of the first amendment here.

Did you ever notice that liberals are all about choise and freedom as long as it is only from their point of view? Dissenting views are simply not tolerated. If you have the temerity to disagree with them, out come the screams of homophobe, xenophobe, racist, nativist and bigot.

They still hate the troops, the difference now is they pretend to like the soldiers but hate the mission. They learned their lesson spitting on soldiers returning from Viet Nam, it made people realize what scum liberals really are. I don't know why liberals just don't move to Canada, they hate it here, we will always oppose your idiocy, why don't you just get out of here and leave this free country to those that appreciate it?

3/18/2011 04:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOID needs to go. Just another step to block the people from their Second Amendment Right to keep and bear arms.

The new Daley anti-gun ordinance after getting spanked by the Supreme Court is just as bad and will be challenged for its anti-constitution language as well.

3/18/2011 05:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This should be a no-brainer. Publishing a list of houses to burglarize? Wonderful.

This is why I have a box at the nearby UPS Store. I have my FIOD registered there and have for years. For a couple of hundred a year I use that UPS Store address for many things.

3/18/2011 05:35:00 AM  
Anonymous LOU said...

I just looked at HB3500 and there are already enough co-sponsors signed up to pass the bill in the House. Here's what >REALLY< surprised me; two of the co-sponsors and Deborah Mell and John D'Amico - both north side anti-gun liberals.
It kinda sounds like Lisa {AKA Mikie's daughter} stepped in it big time.

3/18/2011 07:01:00 AM  
Anonymous 38 and Gone said...

I advocate registering all persons who want to exercise their First Amendment rights as reporters. List their home addresses (and maybe their home phone numbers). That's when you would see whining and gnashing of teeth.

3/18/2011 08:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOID deprives gun owners of their second amendment right to possess a firearm, as well as their the fourth, fifth and fourteenth amendment right to due process.

FOID is, on its face, unconstitutional.

3/18/2011 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I recall when I was a young copper police were not required to have an FOID.

In 1968 a new gun control act was passed in response to race riots in some of our major cities. From this Act a whole new generation of gun control laws were created in the states. In 1992 Jews for Preservation of Firearm Ownership Inc, published Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny, which contains the actual text of pre Nazi, and Nazi gun control laws. In Gateway to Tyranny, JPFO shows the stark comparison between the 1938 Nazi law and our 1968 Gun Control Act

With passage of the '68 Act another door opened under the color of law, this time in the state of Illinois. Since white liberal racism energized the '68 Act, seeing it as a tool to further their socialist agenda, Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago used his influence to bring about a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card in Illinois as a response to race riot concerns in Chicago. The FOID card was believed to be a powerful tool, to keep guns out of the hands of certain groups in the state deemed dangerous to Daley.

3/18/2011 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous rosco said...

Does the city still have that gun ban zone? The 1000 ft. from a park or school?

3/18/2011 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOID is a relic from another time when the ATF forms weren't even thought of yet.

Time for FOID to be retired.

3/18/2011 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC: "Gun violence" is a phrase made up by the antis to demonize the tool. The correct phrase is "criminal violence".

3/18/2011 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nicely said, SCC. Thanks for standing up for our rights as citizens.
Not a Cop.

3/18/2011 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cant wait to move to a real American state. illinois is a communist republic

3/18/2011 10:26:00 AM  
Blogger Chuckles said...

It looks like this is nothing more than the rabid anti-gun zealots trying to shift the focus from right to carry legislation. Smoke and mirrors by Lisa and Mike Madigan.

3/18/2011 10:31:00 AM  
Blogger dm60462 said...

If Mad(again) is so damned concerned about the transparency of my FOID card, why will I go to my grave without being permitted to ever see my own (Illinois) original Birth Certificate?

3/18/2011 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've got a better idea, just get rid of the FOID card altogether. We are the only state that requires a seperate ID to own a gun. You can't publish what doesn't exist.

3/18/2011 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Only Mama Knows said...

I guess Lisa Madigan (stepdaughter of Mike not biological daughter) was whispered to about how many Domestic Violence victims would now have their addresses published so their offenders could then find them. Stupid sot that she is, it is again an action where the unintended consequences should be thought out first, but liberal giant foreheadedness get in the way.

3/18/2011 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Citizens are armed, slaves are not.
Sic Semper Tyrannis.

3/18/2011 11:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

could you explain the foia card.who has to carry one.and
how do federal officals(fbi,dea,ext)get around this?
thank you

3/18/2011 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous TRU Believer said...

I'm TRU Terry.... Let them try to publish my name! I'll dominate their face with my bare hands.. T R U style!!!!

3/18/2011 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope Lisa is voted out,another 1 with no business being in that position!

3/18/2011 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What kind of idiot would even suggest this shit in the first place? Of course a dummycrat like lisa!

3/18/2011 01:14:00 PM  
Blogger Working Man said...

Excellent conclusion, SCC!! Let the individual decide, NOT the government. ESPECIALLY in this corrupt state!

3/18/2011 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous JAFO said...

Let's put the shoe on the OTHER foot.

ALL non-gun owners should pay a fee of $250 a year because they are a burden to public safety by disregarding the Constitution by NOT having a means to defend themselves, thereby creating an extra dependency on local and county resources for protection.

ALL gun owners would be exempt from this fee but all NON-gun owners would have to register with the state.

Having to call 911 for any robbery and/or burglary and finding out this household was unarmed would generate another $500 fine due to sending out police resources.

3/18/2011 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Show me who receives the link card and how much they receive.

3/18/2011 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous DeOppressoLiber said...

Dear Media trolls,
Try, try really hard to remember, w/o the 2nd Amendment, there wouldn't be any nor anything to protect the 1st Amendment.
When your presses are deemed "illegal " whatcha' gonna do? Throw bottles of ink & paper wads?
Think it could never happen? Then you must have cut your history classes.

3/18/2011 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, well said. Thanks.

3/18/2011 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed the FOID is completely useless. What is the purpose since a background check is already needed to purchase a handgun? It's also ridiculous to have to show a FOID just to handle a firearm at a dealer.
Get rid of it.

3/18/2011 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

could you explain the foia card.who has to carry one.and
how do federal officals(fbi,dea,ext)get around this?
thank you

3/18/2011 11:51:00 AM

you, Sir, are still allowed to obtain, posess, and handle a firearm. However, I strongly advise you visit a library, obtain your G.E.D. and then attempt "english while on a computer".

I would also advise a visit to a competentant Dr. for a visectomy. Preferrably before you go "earn" that G.E.D.

3/18/2011 05:21:00 PM  
Blogger maggers.com said...

The case of Heller v. Washington DC was a well written case. Justice Scalia broke down the 2nd Amendment and interpreted the wording of the Amendment as to how they were defined at the time. Scalia stated that having a gun was clearly a fundamental right equivalent to that of free speech and religion. I am with you with the concealed carry law big time. It would be nice to see some old man pop one of these dogs on Chicago Ave. Scalia stated that the right extended to protection of the home not outside. However each state had the right to decide that question for their own citizens. Hope concealed carry passes.

3/18/2011 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL gun owners would be exempt from this fee but all NON-gun owners would have to register with the state.

Having to call 911 for any robbery and/or burglary and finding out this household was unarmed would generate another $500 fine due to sending out police resources.

3/18/2011 01:34:00 PM



and when the link carders whine about how they can't afford a firearm, what then, give them a coupon for a Raven?

3/18/2011 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many LINK card holders, are FOID card holders?

I second, opening up the LINK card recipients info.

Make them piss test, every month to renew the LINK too. If they piss hot, they can piss off.

3/18/2011 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At this point in time with the city of Chicago and the State of Illinois both going broke and looking to make budget cuts the FOID process should be given serious consideration of being cut.

We should look at the cost benefit of the program and the accountability of it -- meaning -- is it serving the purposed that it was designed to do.

Recently, on Mar 5, 2011 a story published on pjstar.com reported

FOID holder stats show discrepancies

PEORIA —

Based on the latest U.S. Census population figures and recent Illinois State Police statistics on the numbers of Firearms Owner Identification Card holders, Dunlap has 309 more FOID card holders than it has adult residents.

Asked to double check for discrepancies in city-by-city figures of FOID card holders, ISP spokesman Scott Compton said, via e-mail, the agency could not provide clarification.

"Unfortunately, the system being used to pull this data is very antiquated and was not originally intended or developed for such queries."

[...]

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x945639991/FOID-holder-stats-show-discrepancies

You have to be kidding me right?

First off the accuracy of the database is in question and then you are going to sit there and tell us that the computer system is antiquated and that you can't pull a list or count of names out by zip code or city?!

You can take a high school kid out of a technology class and have him put together a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet or Access database in a matter of days to produce that info.

Because of these problems one can only wonder if this entire FOID process is nothing more than another revenue generation scheme that really doesn't pay for itself.

Seriously people, what good is having all the information in a computer if you are unable to access it in meaningful ways and/or it's fill with discrepancies?

The population of Illinois is said to be about 13 million. We have a workforce of around 6 million and the number of FOID card holders in Illinois is 1.6 million. That's a sizable lobby group my friends and it's time to stand up and be counted.

You can see the alternative right?

Higher fee's to upgrade the FOID system and its staff. Enough with the taxes and licenses nonsense enough!

--clip on FOID CARDS--

[...]

The heaviest year on record was 2009, when the office handled more than 326,000 applications. Coffman said 230,000 a year is more typical. He attributes the surge to a recent law extending the validity of the card from five to 10 years, as well as national political debate over gun control and the 2010 U.S. Supreme Court case that overturned Chicago’s handgun ban.

Most of the applications in any given year are renewals, Coffman said. The busiest period is between August and February, when people are renewing their cards for hunting season.

In that busy year of 2009, only 10,222 of the 320,000 applications were denied and 5,952 revoked.

One of the primary public safety tasks of the bureau is to make sure nobody gets a FOID card who shouldn’t,

http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x698039941/Gun-owners-set-to-march-on-Statehouse

Look at the busiest year on record 2009. About 16,000 FOID cards either denied or revoked out of 320,000. About 5%. However we should question those numbers further. How many were later approved upon appeal or wrongly suspended or revoked. Most likely we won't get those answers because the system wasn't designed to provide them. ha.

More importantly how many of the five percent would be caught anyway with a five day waiting period and background check at time of purchase. And finally how serious can we be about the entire FOID card process with the way our court system handles the offenders?

Think about it.

3/18/2011 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scalia stated that the right extended to protection of the home not outside. However each state had the right to decide that question for their own citizens. Hope concealed carry passes.

Maggers your wrong. Go to the heller decision and start on page 10. Scalia clearly talked about the right to keep and carry in case of confrontation. And cited state v reid from alabama as for carrying a firearm.

Further moremthe holding in heller was for lawful purposes SUCH AS self defense in the home. Heller also described lawful activities as hunting, unless its a two legged perp, i dont do much hunting inside my home.

NRA guy

3/19/2011 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Q: What do Lisa Madigan and Jody Weis have in common?


A: Foreheads


Bridgeport retort: "Those ain't 'foreheads', dems is ateheads at least!"

3/19/2011 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOID is a slap in the face to the United States Constitution. Then again, so is the entire state of Illinois.

The bullshit FOID card system is nothing more than a waste of tax dollars supporting a system that must employ state workers and state police who could be of better use working on legitimate law enforcement issues.

Add the cost of the workers, their salary and benefits, their offices and equipment and the thousands of wasted man hours and tell me that there is some legitimate use for this redundant and oppressive system. You can't.

Hey Quinn, You want to start cutting unnecessary spending? Start with the entire FOID system. If a background is already required, why are we even bothering with this? Idiot.

3/19/2011 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe the FOID card serves no useful purpose. It does not reduce violent crime. It creates non- violent criminals out of peaceable citizens who don't renew their people registration but possess a firearm or ammunition. I have never known a gangbanger or murderer or armed robber to have an FOID card. The FOID card act should be abolished, crushed, stomped on, and voided. But no lawmaker has the wisdom and guts to promote the abolition of this wasteful law.

3/19/2011 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ALL DEMO€RATS ARE €OMMUNISTS SAYS:

FOID is just another unlawful Tax on Law-Abiding Firearm Owners by the State, and Unconstitutional, at that. Ever notice that Felon-ois Always has some kind of extra, hidden tax on Anything Non-Liberal ? How about we have a Card to identify ALL Illinois Residents who DON'T own a firearm, and charge the same amount as for an FOID Card, to help the State out of Bad Economic times??? You know those Demo€rats always want to help out, except if it has to come out of their OWN pockets.

3/20/2011 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will No Longer lock anyone up who does not have a FOI Card, if they are not wanted, have a clear name check, and are not breaking any Laws. Requiring the FOID is Unconstitutional.

ALL of Daleys Chicago Firearms ordinances are UnConstitutional, as they are in direct opposition with the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, therefore null , void, and Illegal.

3/20/2011 06:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-clip-

"Where’s Lisa? While her own lackluster “reform” is being gutted (SB1645), Madigan is silent. She’s too busy making the citizens transparent while government remains a fortress."


Where’s Lisa? – Sunshine Week

By Adam Andrzejewski
CEO, For The Good Of Illinois
March 16, 2011

According to the Elmhurst Press, “Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan bills herself the champion of open government and Freedom of Information Act reform.” That’s a bold statement in such a corrupt and opaque state, but a tremendous bump-sticker for political marketing.

So, where’s Lisa? This week, the Illinois Senate is debating SB1645 which would severely curtail the citizen’s “Right to Know” under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). In 2008, Lisa Madigan personally spearheaded the rewrite of the Illinois FOIA law. It’s her baby. But, SB1645 would gut it. Gutting citizen access to public information, SB1645 would strictly limit and regulate citizen questions of our government.

Where is Lisa Madigan?

Two years ago, in the days after Rod Blagojevich, the Chicago Tribune editorialized that Illinois should adopt the Florida standard of sunshine transparency- every public document online. Government wasn’t complying with information requests on a timely basis. In the internet age, citizens shouldn’t bear the burden of requesting. Government should be proactive.

Lisa Madigan’s own office was a prime example of the government compliance problem. In the years leading up to the FOIA re-write, she was one of the most egregious offenders of the Act. A State Journal Register investigation of freedom of information requests received by Madigan’s office in 2006 and 2007 revealed that she was late almost half the time in responding. Specifically, in 225 of 537 cases, Madigan’s office did not respond within the statutorily mandated seven working days.

[...]

Where’s Lisa? While her own lackluster “reform” is being gutted (SB1645), Madigan is silent. She’s too busy making the citizens transparent while government remains a fortress.

Last week, General Madigan issued a legal opinion stating that the Illinois State Police would have to disclose the personal information of every law abiding gun owner within the Firearm Owners Identification Database (FOID) to the Associated Press. Since the 1960’s, Illinois forces gun owners to register with the state. Now, General Madigan is spearheading the legal maneuver to force the private information public.

Fifteen months ago in Champaign Circuit Court, Attorney General Lisa Madigan made the legal argument that “citizens of Illinois don’t have a fundamental right to a secret ballot”. The top law enforcement officer in Illinois advocates for a transparent ballot box. This egregious argument received scant attention. Thank fully, polls show that 90% of the public feels that the ballot box should remain private and sacrosanct.

As the top law enforcement officer in the state, has the Attorney General helped reign in public corruption? Lisa Madigan’s office has 712 employees and can’t find public corruption anywhere.

more >> http://forthegoodofillinois.org/blog/2011/03/wheres-lisa/

3/21/2011 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out the Youtube stuttering Lisa Madigan clip when she's asked why her own office doesn't comply with the very FOIA bill that she's advocating. Um..um...um.

Better Government Association Conference on FOIA

3/21/2011 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Madigans an idiot, there is no reason to release this info., what is her reasoning.?
Only law enforcement needs this info.

3/21/2011 08:18:00 PM  

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