Geez Frank
Hmmm: Sneed hears Chicago Police Cmdr. Frank Gross, the department’s movie coordinator, might be in hot water again. Gross was reprimanded by former Police Supt. Jody Weis after video footage surfaced of officers posing for a photo with a handcuffed, kneeling college student arrested in the 2009 G-20 economic summit in Pittsburgh.
The buckshot: Sneed is told Gross had drawn the ire of the new police interim regime for putting in for $19,000 in overtime for his work during the filming of the movie “Transformers 3,” which was shot in Chicago amongst mucho publicity last year.
The backshot: The Chicago cops in the controversial video, which included Gross, used personal time to serve as part of the G-20 summit security detail.
The flipshot: “I was on personal time during the filming of the Transformers movie during July and August of last year,” Gross said. “Paramount paid the city more than $160,000 for the filming of that movie and out of that came the $19,000 I was paid for working during off-duty time. It didn’t cost the city any money.”
The buckshot: Is Gross in line for a new job title?
It is kind of amusing that while the blue shirts hunkered down after getting the message of what J-Fled was brought in to do, it's the white shirts and gold stars running amok with startling regularity.
Labels: corruption
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
91 Comments:
to be honest with you gross is a pretty decent guy. Worked for him when he was in 020 and he always took care of the guys on the watch. I understand that when people become bosses they have an instant target on thier back but this guy got many a blue shirts out of jams when he was around. Im not sure where the negative feelings toward him come from but as someone who worked for the guy he is pretty decent. Im sure its alot of people who are jealous which makes up about 80 percent of the department. Whatever, way too many bitter people on this job who would hate patton if he was in charge...just some people cant be pleased.
"another j-fed pick in hot water".
No, Gross was a Cline Pick in the last months he was here.
Gross is a spineless tool. Wait until the Alderman property stuff from 020 hits the news.
Karma is a Mutha Phawkka huh Frankie?
No wonder I couldn't get any days workin the movies! Captains pay isnt enough huh? His wife is an Asst Pricipal. They both make 6 figures. Typical greedy ego's.
How ironic. One of the main reasons Jfled was brought in was because of the scandal plagued Sos. Yet almost all of the officers involved with that had charges dropped, are back at work or pled out to a bullshit misdeamanor. Yet meanwhile gold stars are involved with scandal after scandal.
How about an audit to find out where the other $141,00o dollars went?
Commanders are never off-duty. There are a few jobs that they can do, such as teaching and work for which they hold a license. Exempt really means no overtime. Only civil service ranks can collect overtime.
What is the story of the construction favors which got this guy where he is?
It aint wrong that you use your power and influence as a Police Commander to make extra money. This is Chicago, it aint ready for reform. Strip this fuck!
OT, Remember the Detention Aides that got huge overtime checks? It turns out that the city bought their comp time from them because they're at this point only allowed to have 80 hours on the books. So, those of you that were screaming about how did they get overtime, they didn't. The detention aides with the big numbers are the ones that never take off work and come to work every day.
Some times we see scandals when there aren't any.
The guy was working the movie during his unpaid admin days. What's the big deal? The city did not pay for him, the Movie company.
So if he's working off duty don't ask the city to pay You ask the movie studio.
My guess is that if it wasn't for this job Frank would be working at a construction site hauling bricks and making less than half what he's making now. For that matter more than half the exempts would be bartenders, waitresses and day laborers if it wasn't for this job and there political sponsors.
Pigs get slaughtered. MF'er! Got paid twice!
OK, really now, enough is enough. It was still money paid by the city, whether or not they ever were reimbursed. Command staff pesonnel are salaried, how the hell did he do this?
Basically he took special employment opportunities away from P.O.s and Sgts. If not illegal, what he did, it certainly is unethical with a huge conflict of interest thrown in. When is the investigation launched???? FOP or PBPA going to grieve the missed work opportunities??????
He should be fired!
Okay, let's say you work a part-timer and you have to take 9hrs c/u to do it. Then, you get paid by the outside employer. So, he worked off city time for a movie company?
The movie company reimburses the city for the bill. The city simply handled the transfer of the payment. So, your beef is that the city handled the payment for hours he worked for some other entity?
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michaelesullivan1@gmail.com said...
If you're going to put Daley in jail for theft, you have to put his enablers, Patrick Fitzgerald and the FBI, behind bars too! I've given the FBI copies of over a dozen scams the Bureau of Electricity used to funnel taxpayer money to private contractors and the Daley Friends, Felons and Family Plan. They've done shit. Put all the Daleys,Hynes, Madigans, Joyces, Degnans, Burkes, Walshs, et. al. in at Clark and Van Buren and let them hold their south side Irish parade there!
not a cop
3/20/2011 07:46:00 AM
Is there any truth to this.
That is why it is imperative for PO's in every district, unit and at HQ to keep on posting about the exploits of the chosen few.
We have so many that should be reported on, Penny, Cynthia. Adrienne, KB, Frank, Masters x3 (he gone?), etc, etc.
Keep the pressure up - at some point somebody is going to notice and run with it.
Hey Frank, did you take your ethics test?!
OT: So J-Fled is gone, Masters X 3 is gone, the "Goldenboy" seems to be missing in action (maybe he finally got one by predicting the new administration is going to get rid of him)so why is Roman still a Commander? And of what? Seems he is hiding somewhere in BAS with the other civilian bosses. Maybe they will make him an inspector too?
Im sure its alot of people who are jealous which makes up about 80 percent of the department. Whatever, way too many bitter people on this job who would hate patton if he was in charge...just some people cant be pleased.
Jealous? Listen up asswipe, maybe I'm just irritated that for some reason, this ass doesn't have to follow the rules that the department would hammer me for if I strayed. Do you know how many bars would pay for off-duty CPD running the door? But if I try to work that, I get fired. Gross knew the rules when he sold his soul for the gold star. Now he gets caught pulling in $20-grand and what's going to happen? He should have stayed a captain.
Cline made Gross his Commander of the Supe's Office. J-Fled lateraled him him Commander of Special Events. I guess that makes the blame a half-and-half deal
Its not whether he is a nice guy or not, its whether he profited from OT that is slated for police. He is not entitled to OT as a Commander. He is a Commander and took that job. Not to mention it is a conflict of interest for him to work OT on a detail in a position he is paid to do already. Has anyone asked you to work OT on your time off in your district on your beat car? Didn't think so. Has anyone asked your Commander to work OT in his regular assignment and offered to pay him? I didn't think so.
Frank is not a bad guy but he screwed up, the real reason for the beef is he made that company hire his whole family.
The guy was working the movie during his unpaid admin days. What's the big deal? The city did not pay for him, the Movie company.
Funny how he managed to string together all of his admin says into a 3 week block where he can make $20-grand. I'm sure every other exempt got that same opportunity?
The movie company reimburses the city for the bill. The city simply handled the transfer of the payment. So, your beef is that the city handled the payment for hours he worked for some other entity?
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You do know exempts can't work side jobs without the written approval of the Superintendent and such side jobs have to be teaching jobs? Not security where there might be the appearance of undue influence, which is exactly what happened.
Take another photograph Frank. You just can't learn your lesson, can you? Maybe you can partner up with Penny, in that other dead-end loser position.
I thought Gross was with Cline
Wait, here's the best, run commander Frank Gross in google and he comes back with a filmography for working in another movie released in January of this year, "The Dilemma," with Vince Vaughn. How much money has he made in "OT" so far in 2011?
The Dilemma, how freakin Ironic.
The money the movie company gave was for equipment and ON-DUTY po's used for traffic, etc.
If he wanted extra money, that would be the obligation of the production company, not the city, to pay him.
And yes, I have been in this situation, and I took time due and was paid ( by check ) from the production company. When you are co-ordinating on duty PO's, your on the clock!
to be honest with you gross is a pretty decent guy.
3/21/2011 12:22:00 AM
And? He gets a free pass because he is a nice guy? Where is that written in the ILCS?
If the city is paying him, then something is wrong. If the movie company paid him for his off duty time, then what is the beef? It has never been fair getting movie work in this town as a police officer and it probably never will be.
My District Commander doesn't take long periods of time off during the summer--but everyone knows the rules for patrol don't apply to those in units
Audit the time records of everyone that worked in Special Events after Barney Flanagan left. Interesting stuff!
When the transformers people said they were looking for officers for the movie, I called the number and left a voicemail saying I'd do it for free just to be in the movie lol. No reply back.
Exempts are now allowed to work side jobs due to the unpaid furlough days they must take.
This is a non-event.
This is also an FLSA violation, exempts cannot make overtime.
to be honest with you gross is a pretty decent guy. Worked for him when he was in 020 and he always took care of the guys on the watch
He took care of a few ass kissers is all. He is a balless pussie!
I thought this was swept under the rug? What happened my friends, now that Jody is gone beefs against the golden untouchables are arising?
Where do I get on the list so that Special Events can notify me over the air when a spot opens up for special employment?
You are going to give Sneed a big head by giving her so much press time on your site SCC. I thought that she was the one who scoured your site for news?
Sometimes we see scandals when there aren't any.......well said, great post, lets not allow the media to brainwash us too!
Anyone who worked a movie or television show detail knows that at the end of the day, you fill out a few forms and give them to the production company personnel right then and there. I recall the forms being for your salary and taxes for that day your worked. A check is subsequently mailed to your house from the production company.
If Gross was really a consultant, the production company would pay him directly. They even know better than to go through the city or department. There have been other cops who were consultants or body guards for stars on other movies or tv shows, and they were not paid through the department.
If your want to say FG made another bad decision, then he shouldn't be a commander of any unit. I don't buy his excuse that the production company paid the city/department, who then reimbursed him. Because those monies are given to the city for being allowed to block off streets or use city tow trucks to relocate parked cars that didn't obey the "filming movie" signs; things like that.
It sounds like FG wanted to be a big shot and be part of this movie and probably 'volunteered' himself as a consultant to the movie detail. Then FG told Jfled this is how its always done and Jfled bought it.
And - what is it some coincidence that the movie company agreed to pay FG the exact hourly rate that FG earns as a Commander of police? Get the FK out of here = FG is a liar, he pulled a scam.
There are more asshole bosses with gold stars in our department and retired to fuck with than this guy. Really people? To compare him to that Piece of Shit Vindictive Ghetto Bitch Penny?
Leave frank alone... What about his buddy Sgt that made 14k?
Exempt leaders of this department are not allowed to work any other side job. Gross knows this. Wise the fuck up.
This is what we get when we hold elections in february -- low voter turnout and the rulers keep on ruling (and the thieves keep on stealing) with only 20 percent of support from registered voters.
Once the city started with taking admin days they told the exempts they were free to work side jobs. The only red flag would be if he was supposed to be working and got paid twice. If he took admin or furlough days than big deal. Maybe the movie company wanted a higher rank in charge and since he is in charge of special events, he's the guy.
Those complaining the movie company reimbursed the city fir his pay, guess what they do the same fir the sgts and p/os, should we demand their money back?
Geez...who'd have thought that after 3 years of J-Fled, and a little over 2 years of 3M, that all of the emerging scandals within the dept. are coming from...exempts working directly under the supervision of J-Fled and 3M??? WOW! I guess that's a prime example of the Fox managing the henhouse! Only in the Shitty! And just watch, NOTHING will be done about it, not by Fitz, not by Alvarez, not by our illustrious Inspector General's office, not by Madigan, and certainly not by "what, I'm supposed to know everything?" Shanx himself.
Anonymous said...
Frank is not a bad guy but he screwed up, the real reason for the beef is he made that company hire his whole family.
3/21/2011 07:56:00 AM
That is called the Richard M Daley method of full employment for the family. Nothing wrong with that, if a man can't take care of his family then they all can kiss my ass, as Richard J. Daley once said.
After Patton killed bandits loyal to Villa, he tied their bodies to his automobile for a photograph. Does this sound familar guys?
Can I as a P.O. or Sgt. take P-Days to schedule myself to work special? No! Strip this fuck!
My guess is that if it wasn't for this job Frank would be working at a construction site hauling bricks and making less than half what he's making now. For that matter more than half the exempts would be bartenders, waitresses and day laborers if it wasn't for this job and there political sponsors.
3/21/2011 04:12:00 AM
And you are?
I forgot to wear my tie today. I'm scared Penny will catch me and write me up. Or beat my ass. Or poop on my car. Or kill my dog. Or make me listen to a sermon about creation. Please help me, SCC!
This is the same blowhard who held the "required" meetings to work the movie detail.During the meeting he said that the movie detail is open to anyone wanting to work it. He said everyone has a fair shot at it.
Really Frank? Then why do the same click of people get the lion share of the work? Often times these chosen ones get calls on their cell phones regarding work that's not even posted on the computer. Check the names for any big production and you'll see the same group of names over and over again.
You reap what you sow Frank.
Franks gone. He B the 13th district commander. Wow what a slap on the wrist.
I really thought that he was paid 75k by the production company for being a consultant.
What a wretched POS!
OT: So J-Fled is gone, Masters X 3 is gone, the "Goldenboy" seems to be missing in action (maybe he finally got one by predicting the new administration is going to get rid of him)so why is Roman still a Commander? And of what? Seems he is hiding somewhere in BAS with the other civilian bosses. Maybe they will make him an inspector too?
3/21/2011 07:45:00 AM
Roman is a CIVILIAN and should never have been classified as a commander. What and who does this man command? There are no more commander spots in BAS. I guess they will just make up one. If they keep this guy its just another travesty.
commander of 13 , not a bad assignment , frank ia a good boss
just alot of cry baby coppers that are bad mouthing him
Don't get me started on Frank Gross.......... He not only is an arrogant pompous ass, he also meddles in peoples personal relationships. This I can attest too.
GFYS Frank. Karma is a bitch!
Anonymous said...
Leave frank alone... What about his buddy Sgt that made 14k?
3/21/2011 12:40:00 PM
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Which Sgt would that be???? Woul the initials be RP?
Fuck all you Frank Gross haters.
He never hurt a blue shirt in his life and took a lot of shit from some Commanders over the years because of it.
I worked for Frank when he was a Sgt, a LT and as a Captain and he was the first person to cut you some slack, especially if you fucked up or needed a favor or had a personal problem. Even if you weren't an ass kisser or a worker.
If he did something to you disciplinewise, either it was so bad that even he couldn't get you out of it or you were a jagoff to him.
Anonymous said...
My guess is that if it wasn't for this job Frank would be working at a construction site hauling bricks and making less than half what he's making now. For that matter more than half the exempts would be bartenders, waitresses and day laborers if it wasn't for this job and there political sponsors.
3/21/2011 04:12:00 AM
And you are?
3/21/2011 03:11:00 PM
And what are your qualifications? Driving around bitching and moaning? Go back to your basement apt, asshat.
Well they certainly taught Commander Gross a lesson after this fiasco. They laterally moved him to Commander of the 13th District.
Like we've always said, once you know someone, your job is always secure no matter what stupid shit you do.
Demoted to 013 Commander. Fucking musical chair nitwits.
to be honest with you gross is a pretty decent guy. Worked for him when he was in 020 and he always took care of the guys on the watch
He took care of a few ass kissers is all. He is a balless pussie!
3/21/2011 10:25:00 AM
Oh,you mean the ones who answered the calls and didn't goof off?
Audit the time records of everyone that worked in Special Events after Barney Flanagan left. Interesting stuff!
3/21/2011 09:53:00 AM
A fine example of a legit guy.
Why iseveryone up in arms about Frank Gross working for the movies, first off the movie companies pay you direct, they don't pay the city. If he got overtime to the tune of 19,000 then he put in slips for overtime, but Exempts do not get overtime, unless because of all of the hours that he puts in because of all the BS that goes thur special events they rewarded him with overtime. now that it has hit this Blog and got out, the powers to be Shit a Brick and dumped on him. Let's give him a little slack, and try to get him to give his side. I know a whole lot of other people who make a lot of OT. that could be looked at.
Can I as a P.O. or Sgt. take P-Days to schedule myself to work special? No! Strip this fuck!
That because those programs have certain rules established by both the department and the union. Can you take time to work your security side job if you wanted. The answer is yes!!!!!
Exempt leaders of this department are not allowed to work any other side job. Gross knows this. Wise the fuck up.
Wrong, ever since they were required to take 24 unpaid days a year this has been changed. They are allowed to work another job.
There are more asshole bosses with gold stars in our department and retired to fuck with than this guy. Really people? To compare him to that Piece of Shit Vindictive Ghetto Bitch Penny?
Dumb ass hell yeah because he is acting like a piece of shit trailor trash money hungery liar.
Wait a minute.....my checks for the Transformers (11 days)came from the movie company. Sent to me via US Mail. That's not overtime. It's not listed on any city payroll. It was a side job. What gives with Frankie....why was his listed as OT?
And? He gets a free pass because he is a nice guy? Where is that written in the ILCS?
3/21/2011 09:39:00 AM
Where is getting paid OT in the ILCS?
Comm. Gross will be in 013 district on 24 mar 2011. Were praying he gets rid of stone cold!
If Gross took over 13, what happened to Judy Martin?
Anonymous said...
Exempt leaders of this department are not allowed to work any other side job. Gross knows this. Wise the fuck up.
Wrong, ever since they were required to take 24 unpaid days a year this has been changed. They are allowed to work another job.
3/21/2011 07:05:00 PM
Key word being, "another job." This, he did not do. He worked the same job he already gets paid for. Why you can't see the lack of moral integrity in this amazes me.
He worked the same job he already gets paid for. ..and who did his job while he was gone?
Well they certainly taught Commander Gross a lesson after this fiasco. They laterally moved him to Commander of the 13th District.
ive to tell you boys and girls of 013.. gross will be a great boss. He is very good at taking care of his troops. I worked for him when he was a captain and everyone on the watch thought of this guy as a prince. He knows how to talk to people and knows how to get people out of jams... take it from me, me and three other guys were in a pretty big mess and captain gross backed us 100%. he got myself and many others out of jams and helped out alot of people... there are many many worse than gross who could be your boss.. gross is a great boss.
Key word being, "another job." This, he did not do. He worked the same job he already gets paid for. Why you can't see the lack of moral integrity in this amazes me.
Hay moron as the Commander of Special Events his job doesn’t entail working on set of a movie. If a production company wants to pay him to be there than so be it. Your ignorance amazes me.
He worked the same job he already gets paid for. ..and who did his job while he was gone?
Who does your job when you take off??
"Okay, let's say you work a part-timer and you have to take 9hrs c/u to do it. Then, you get paid by the outside employer. So, he worked off city time for a movie company?
The movie company reimburses the city for the bill. The city simply handled the transfer of the payment. So, your beef is that the city handled the payment for hours he worked for some other entity?"
General Order says, exempts, Gross is an exempt, can only teach as a side job. Second, Gross is salary and cannot get paid overtime as an "executive" under labor laws. If Gross was quoted as stating he was working on his unpaid “furlo” days, then why was he paid 19,000-dollars out of the 161,000 the Transformers product company paid the City. You either are or are not working for the City. Gross you cannot have a bifurcated statement like this. If you follow the money – you smell the “bs.”
The only corruption I have ever seen is at CPD headquarters. Why is the movie detail a closed off to almost everyone, except a chosen few insiders who always get contacted by special events? Look at who works it; they are not the most senior or the most available police officers. Gross for a lack of better wording, “shook down” the movie company. You should have heard what the production assistants were saying about him!
The guy was working the movie during his unpaid admin days. What's the big deal? The city did not pay for him, the Movie company.
According to Gross's own statement, he was paid by the City, from the money the production crew gave to the City. So, he was paid by the City. I would agree if he was on his furlo days, he should be allowed to do whatever he wants. In this case it is simply not sure. He is eitheir working for the production company or the City. Besides this, their are Ethics ordinace issues. He arranges or manages something or has a financial intrest in the outcome. You can not then switch sides under the city ordianace. Finally, I bet, and this a just a guess, most exempts were not allowed to take unpaid days at a place and time of their choosing to work a consulting job - even one where a conflict of intrest exists.
The only other outside employment an exempt can have is teaching. It in your book of GO's you got when you were in the Academy.
Personal time? LOA w/out pay or time due which essentially he was drawing a paycheck. I call it double-dipping....can't get paid as a "civilian" what you do as a sworn officer.
Shockingly stupid move on Gross's part to believe that he wasn't going to get scrutinized for earning 20 grand.
Gross outfoxed Liebert in 16 on the midnites by cutting a deal and making Captain right away.
Email me your name and district and I'll send you a copy of the engineering reports and copies of the political contributions, if and only if you are a cop. If you are a city hall slug, go eff yourself.
Leave frank alone... What about his buddy Sgt that made 14k?
who was that sgt name :
Wait until the Alderman property stuff from 020 hits the news. anyone knows more about this please inform us now before sneed does anything else let us know now so sneed does not get the credit .
to be honest with you gross is a pretty decent guy. Worked for him when he was in 020 and he always took care of the guys on the watch
He took care of a few ass kissers is all. He is a balless pussie!
3/21/2011 10:25:00 AM
Oh,you mean the ones who answered the calls and didn't goof off?
Your kidding right? Gross couldnt make a decision on his own if his life depended on it. They might as well make his wife the Co of 013. He is a total BB for balls tool.
He is non confrontational and has no spine. If thats what you call a leader than my 9 year old is already qualified.
And? He gets a free pass because he is a nice guy? Where is that written in the ILCS?
3/21/2011 09:39:00 AM
Where is getting paid OT in the ILCS?
3/21/2011 08:08:00 PM
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Theft and deceptive practice are clearly in the ILCS. You apparently have not ever read about the two subjects. Also, there is no "nice guy" provision that affords a free pass for the guilty.
Theft and deceptive practice are clearly in the ILCS. You apparently have not ever read about the two subjects. Also, there is no "nice guy" provision that affords a free pass for the guilty.
3/22/2011 12:16:00 PM
Since you are so well versed on the theft and deceptive practices statues, why don't explain what theft or deceptive practice occurred? He did work the hours correct? Are you suggesting that he somehow bilked the movie studios and the city out of 20k?
Since you are so well versed on the theft and deceptive practices statues, why don't explain what theft or deceptive practice occurred? He did work the hours correct? Are you suggesting that he somehow bilked the movie studios and the city out of 20k?
3/22/2011 10:33:00 PM
Well, something isn't kosher. Time will tell. 20K attracts a lot of attention. Oh, and them "statues" don't play, they will fuck you up!
He is non confrontational and has no spine. If thats what you call a leader than my 9 year old is already qualified.
3/22/2011 06:53:00 AM
At least it's obvious that the 9 year old is more qualified that certain posters on this blog.
By the way ask the 9 year old to explain to you the difference between "your" and "you're."
At least it's obvious that the 9 year old is more qualified that certain posters on this blog.
By the way ask the 9 year old to explain to you the difference between "your" and "you're."
3/24/2011 11:55:00 AM
Guy, that argument is so fucking bogus. A typical ad hominem argument for some a self appointed mental superior who has run across a point that cannot be refuted. Typically used by Dan Bernstein of the Score radio. This is a fucking blog not an article written in Time magazine.
Guy, that argument is so fucking bogus. A typical ad hominem argument for some a self appointed mental superior who has run across a point that cannot be refuted. Typically used by Dan Bernstein of the Score radio. This is a fucking blog not an article written in Time magazine.
3/26/2011 03:07:00 PM
At least two out of four were sentences.
Why is movie and special events deployment not based on seniority?
How can special events decide who is fit for working with out any ground rules. They pick and choose anyone they want based on their personal preferences. This is true, prove me wrong otherwise.
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