Oh Mikey Mikey Mikey
This wasn't a fight we wanted. It isn't even a fight we needed to have. But as most people know, you don't get to pick the time, place or occasionally, even if you get dragged into a fight. FOP President Mike Shields has decided to pick a fight with the blog. Not only pick a fight, but pick it badly, frame it poorly and conclude it immaturely. The comments are alive with trolls accusing us of all sorts of crap, none of it provable and even more of it just outright wrong. We will attempt to address Mikey and the trolls in this post and frame the debate as it should have been in the first place if Mikey let his brain do his thinking instead of running off at the mouth:
- Dear Kid,
Congratulations on your recent electoral victory. You managed to capture the presidency, but you ought to give Bella some credit. He ran a half-assed campaign and pretty much handed you the election. Don't read too much into it. You need to actually run the organization now, gain support, mend fences, build in-roads, introduce and support legislation, negotiate, fight battles, etc.
What you don't need to do is address the blog. The blog has been around for almost six years. When founded, it was touted as the new "Rumor Central" (you can ask an old-timer about that...it was before your time). A bathroom wall of sorts. A place for coppers to bitch, moan, vent, commiserate, exchange info, whatever. Your predecessor was in office for nine years and guess how many times he addressed the blog? We can think of two times total - once at a meeting to a direct question (yes, we attend regularly), once in the president's message. That's it. Donahue realized a president is supposed to lead; to be a big-picture guy; to be the face of the organization. If he addressed every little gripe people had, he'd be ineffectual. He'd also look like a petty ass, as you've so ably demonstrated.
Now, addressing part one of your post. You state in the opening paragraph that SCC was "critical of the FOP because the organization has not come out in favor of the proposed legislation [concealed carry]." Guilty as charged. Did you read the entire post though? All of the other supporters of Concealed Carry? Chicago Police Sergeants. Chicago Police Lieutenants. Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police. Illinois Sheriffs Association. That's some pretty dignified company, isn't it? It's also under 4,000 people if we guess correctly. Chicago FOP is twice and more times that, the "big dog" so to speak. Why are we being followers and not leaders? Granted, you can argue that it's Donahue's fault for staying silent for so long, but you decided to make this a debate about our statement and your aims. How better to break with the past than become a leader in the Concealed Carry debate? You did read the Constitution of the FOP, didn't you?
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to cultivate a spirit of fraternalism and mutual helpfulness among our members and the people we serve; to increase the efficiency of law enforcement and thus more firmly establish the confidence of the public in the service dedicated to the protection of life and property.
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What better way to start making a name for yourself than uniting behind something that's already legal in 48 other states and tracks with the Constitution of the FOP in being good Americans. Oh wait, you've already decided the police are better than the citizens we serve. We quote:
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"Chicago Police Officers already have that right"
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That certainly seems to run contrary to the FOP Constitution. We aren't better than the citizens we serve. We are entrusted with certain duties and privileges to ensure domestic tranquility and help preserve the rights of all citizens. Driving a wedge between the public and the police will serve to undermine your stated agenda to protect benefits, wages and pensions by alienating those whose support we need to pass legislation, but we suppose you missed that.
And guess what else? Concealed carry IS an FOP issue. Who is going to be dealing with citizens carrying weapons? Who is going to be investigating citizen-involved shootings? We'll give you a hint kid...police officers. Don't you think the FOP would be better served with a well-trained force of officers not only familiar with the new laws, but actually well versed in investigating and enforcing laws that we might have had some input in? We run into more and more officers all the time who not only support Concealed Carry, but join the ISRA and the NRA to support these goals on a state and national level. Polling the membership and being a leader makes sense. Stop following the chiefs, sheriffs, lieutenants, sergeants, and especially the Daleys and see if a leadership role is a road to better days for the FOP. At the very least, we'd establish ourselves as a political force and not a punchline.
And now to the other part of your post. Yes, we are anonymous. We have been so since the beginning. Your challenge to "emerge from the anonymity of his basement" is childish in the extreme. First of all, we don't have a basement. Second, how long have you been on the job? Do you have any idea what happens to people who don't toe the company line? There's a reason we're anonymous and we're pretty sure you know exactly why. Your grandstanding is exactly that - without substance and a cheap shot. Congratulations. You've demonstrated in one single line exactly how you intend to crush all opposition to your rule. We aren't the Lodge. We've never purported to be anything but the voice of the street cop with no aspirations to anything but needling the powers that be, exposing cronyism and nepotism, and pointing out in our own inimitable style the nonsense that goes along with being a Chicago Police Officer.
Have you been clicking on our ads? Maybe going over to our PayPal account and dropping a few bucks in it just to say "thanks for the entertainment"? Oh yeah, you can't, because this is a hobby for us. A hobby. We post 3 to 5 articles a day, moderate 200 to 300 comments a night, pull in 14,000 visits daily and topped half-a-million visitors last month. And we do it for free. You've been in office for a month and posted two articles: One about the 1,300 SPARs story (that we broke here and drove the media to cover), the other attacking the blog.
Wow. How many visits does the FOP site get? We challenged Aguilar to post a hit counter once so we could compare. He never responded, so we can assume that if people want info, they don't go to the FOP website, despite the fact we've given the FOP the top link in our "Police Related Websites" tool bar for all six years. Instead of challenging the blog and making accusations you can't possibly prove, why aren't you using the blog? Maybe there's a way to bottle the lightning. You had your people all over the comment sections during the election, spouting off about your opponents (and they had their supporters here, too). We let most of it go, deleting only the most outrageous accusations and rhetoric.
This brings us to the other part of your post. The truly childish portion. We have never allowed speculation on the identities of SCC. That includes name, rank, assignment, etc. This blog was founded 6 years ago by police officers for police officers. We work the street in the trenches. Any comment guessing or accusing individuals of being "SCC" is summarily deleted without exception for the reasons previously stated above.
That being said, we know you, your brother and others have been spreading certain names around. It pops up in comments, it is whispered in bars, and it appears in e-mails we've received from others (including your brother and other candidates actually). We will state for the record that each and every name bandied about is wrong. And now, as the President of the Chicago FOP, you have a larger responsibility to protect the organization and its assets from harm. Not harm from us, but harm from those you so cavalierly accuse without any proof and without any ability to prove diddley shit.
You "keep hearing..."? Who the fuck are you trying to be? You have a storefront church that needs another few asses in the pews? You need some sort of federal handout or something? We "keep hearing" you bought cuff links for Rahm. We "keep hearing" you are using the FOP spot to run for a state senate seat. We "keep hearing" you like to drink the blood of kittens. You "keep hearing" crap and spreading bullshit, then you are going to get into a shitload of problems and it's going to be our dues money paying the price.
There is a whole host of other issues to deal with. Delegating responsibility can cover much of the tedium that goes with these things, but the buck stops at your desk. Camden, Farrell and Donahue can help in small ways but they can't give you the gravitas you so desperately seem to be seeking by attacking the blog. You are supposed to be the face of 16,000 active and retired members. Stop acting like a child and start acting like a leader. Learn a lesson from Donahue, concentrate on the big picture, and grow thicker skin. Our criticisms of the FOP started long before the blog and have existed since the founding of the union in one form or another. You aren't immune to criticism, but we never named you as the target. You made this personal. Grow the fuck up.
Sincerely,
SCC
PS - We'd probably respect you more if you didn't reply to any of this. We've already handed you your ass.
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Oh, SCC, I just looove when you rif! ;)
As a Chicago Police wife, it scares me that someone who lowers themselves to use comments such as "emerge from the anonymity of his basement" could potentially one day be defending my husband. Even as a police wife, I have heard stories of his "I am better than officers without a degree" statements. The way he ran was arrogant, he gave no credit to those who led before him and made a fool of himself with the ridiculous letters he whined were not posted in the FOP news letter. God help all of you with this "kid" and his high school comments representing you.
Mike, I will put it in terms you will understand "you got treated!!!"
and not from a basement.
Wow. I wasn't aware of all this. I actually thought Shields was going to be the fresh air that the old, dusty FOP needed.
Mike Shields, don't mess with SCC. If you cause them problems, if you expose them or if you cause the site to go away, you will have thousands of YOUR members angry with you.
Be smart. SCC is a great place to float trial balloons, to take the pulse of the department and to gain necessary intel. Use it as a tool and don't be the enemy.
very well said scc. i agree he sounded childish and immature for calling you out. on a side note, i agree with shields on the gun issue. im a member of the NRA and a big supporter of 2nd ammendment BUT that is not our fight right now. FOP needs to stay focused on pensions, money, health benefits etc.
Well said, SCC.
That was a long hard piece and it's late and you gotta be wiped out. Take two Alka-Seltzer...
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(tear on dotted line)
...and get some rest.
First off I think this guy was in over his head as a PPO. but anyway. Id bet money I know who SCC is but who cares? This is entertainment and sometimes some decent info. Judging by how outlandish and untrue some of the posts are look at it as nothing more. This is the gallows with a bigger audience. (Look it up if you dont know what it is). And I think its a joke that the union president has even responded to something on this blog. Do your job guy. Or are you to busy hiring people to do it for you?
I never dreamed of owning a gun however do not feel safe here. We have been shot at twice on the orange line and don't even like spending time in the city. It's not safe in my neighborhood even though it' borders the suburbs. Daley has really made this place a ghetto. Crime is surging because when the only jobs in the city are minimum wage, so e people get desperate out here. Thrown in taxes etc
LOLOLOLOL...Nice SCC
Like Forest Gump said,
STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES
AND HE IS STUPID ALRIGHT
Hope all you hairgels are happy...
Iceberg dead ahead..Every man for himself...
This union is doomed with Colonel Klink aka "hothead, bigmouth, manchild" in the big seat..
Wow. U r all blind
Well said SCC Mike needs a big brother or his own to kick his ass when needed. I hope he does great! Many people are counting on him to keep his head, stay focused and to lead the FOP.
PS - We'd probably respect you more if you didn't reply to any of this. We've already handed you your ass.
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His ass is more than he can handle !
Mike, experience will give you some smarts. !!
well, the question now becomes:
will Mikie eat it?
This is the time for Unity....There is nothing calm and cool minds cant get along together with. We want the same things here!
SCC go easy here...We are only getting out of the gate. We are not used to unity but are used to divisivness and disdain for one another.
Tread softly my friends...However Do not Tread on me...
Geez once again Police divided. 1st Mike S. Its a blog but its has merit. 2nd. Blog he may not have been who u voted for and u may not agree wtih all the 'early' decisions he makes. Get along were all the police
"Pay No Attention to the Person behind the Curtin"!
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Mike. You picked the wrong fight and now you are in a hole trying to climb your way out. Enjoy your one term. You'll be manning a beat car in 4 years.
Game....Set....Match!
Bra-vo! Well said.
I really didn't realize how slow this guy was on the uptake. To have such a limited view of the FOP's role, to completely misunderstand the actions of Walker in Wisconsin, and to suggest the lone voice of resistance should out himself...was Shields really that quick to cave to the lure of the machine, or was he attached from the beginning?
I'm getting a decent belly chuckle out of this one.
For those of you who voted for Shields, thanks alot.
He's a grandstanding little shit. OH did I mention the anger issues? Ooooh, should I have said that. I mean I "Heard" he has anger issues. I think there was also something about a district party, a wig, leather panties, a transvestite hooker and a certain newly elected FOP President. I mean "I heard" that.
That's the thing about riding the tiger. Eventually you get off and the tiger starts to look around hungrily. Shields reminds me of "Tiger Blood" Charlie Sheen. It isn't going to end pretty, but it will end.
The comparison of Shields to a storefront Reverend is apt. I fully expect some scandals and his own lack of maturity to end his reign as Prez in one term. Perhaps less, if he doesn't remove his head from his ass.
"More kitten blood, I'm parched!"
pwnd
Judging by your rather lengthy response, I'd say the newly minted "Kid" President has gotten under your skin, SCC.
I only wish you would confront Shields face-to-face. That'd be interesting to say the least. I'd give a month's salary to be the proverbial "fly on the wall" for that exchange.
I imagine it had to be quite the internal debate mulling over whether to handle business the "old-school way" or via this forum. You obviously took some time to think about it, as your response was a few days in the making; this is the only time I can recall seeing SCC construct a dozen-plus paragraphs rebutting what many would say should have been ignored as just more criticism. For obvious as well as reasons stated here, one can understand taking this route, but you still tipped your hand somewhat, SCC. "Keep 'em stupid" is a phrase I was taught as a cadet. The same applies here, in my humble opinion.
My, how times have changed.
SCC you da man. Mike Shields, you say you're afraid politician would fuck with pensions, etc...if FOP supports CCW, maybe that's just your spin on the real reasons you refuse to poll the membership. Daley's on his way out. If you're going to be fucked with it'll happen whether or not you support CCW. Perhaps you owe favors, and are beholden to some of the daley bastards and that is why you are toeing the same line as the CPD brass who sold their soul for their spot and drank the kool-aid and then pissed it out onto the Constitution. The majority of the citizens that would obtain ccw are very patriotic, conservative, AND support the police.
I'm sorry to say, but I knew Shields was bad news from the start. When he appeared on tv after J-Fled left, he didn't slam him like he should have. In reality he was kissing J-Fed's ass when he said not only J-Fled was responsible for the crime reduction, but also the Chicago Police officers. J-Fled didn't do shit for Shitcago, crime reduction or the police officers. He was just an asshole showing his steroid muscles to the media and talking stupid shit. The more things "change" the more they stay the same. Shields is great proof of that.
No matter how much Bella sucks, this is why I couldn't vote for Mike. Those of us who know him tried to warn everyone, but now we're all screwed.
I have to say SCC if you are trying to get your Union President in line you are going about it is a poor manner. I swear I am in know way affiliated with Shields or his group in any further manner than the fact that I am a CPD Detective. Calling him "Kid" was immature in any regard. and your "P.S." is a sign of weakness. Just sayin.
Again...I am COMPLETELY impartial here.
Is that the same brother that let Obrish take his weight in 016? I guess he's a stand up guy now; just not then.
LMFAO!
Outfuckingstanding, SCC, outfuckingstanding!
WRT: conceal carry
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As Cesare Beccaria said in his book, “On Crimes and Punishments” (1764), “Such laws (laws that disarm the law-abiding) make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
This was true in 1764 and is still true!
http://www.sj-r.com/opinions/x1536001655/Letter-OK-concealed-carry-law-now
The hand gun band laws have failed us. The judicial system is failing us as the jails are so overcrowded the street punks know that they will not serve the full time as sentenced. None of this is a deterrent to crime. Let the people choose to protect themselves. The cops can't do it and the courts can't do it under the current environment.
SCC was "critical of the FOP because the organization has not come out in favor of the proposed legislation [concealed carry]."
Guilty as charged.
God bless you SCC!
If your fucktard FOP prez won't stand up for citizens rights, I'm glad you do!
I don't live in IL but I will probably visit this summer.
I will go from good guy to bad guy several times in my journey depending on what line on the map I cross. In my car I will have what I need to stay safe. A CCW permit from my state, (which doesn't even require one for CCW) and 2 handguns.
And no, blood does not "run in the streets" since AZ passed the 'constitutional carry' law.
If your FOP leadership won't stick up for the good guys then I'm glad you and a bunch of other cops commenting here do!
Watch out SCC now Little Mikey is going to take his ball home now that you handed him his ass.
and we wonder why no politician fears the police voting block.
"You can always hire one half of the poor to kill the other half."
Is there a mechanism in place for a recall of elected members? SCC.....while I don't always agree with you, I must say that I've NEVER known you to be wrong. MKS is WAY wrong with this attack. Hopefully this will just blow over or you can look for ME to introduck a vote to RECALL President Shields. I think your supporters will rush to your aid and this will be the end of his short-lived Presidency. Oh, and by the way, I did not vote for that smartass GP, he was not elected and so I had better not see his smirky ass at the table at the next meeting. Gorman was bad enough.
So.... Err.... How bout them Bears!
SCC 1 Mike O
Holy shit SCC! After I read this all I could think of was how stupid Dan Quayle looked after Lloyd Bentsen put his ass in check. You go girl!
Well said SCC.
Mike, you got elected president of FOP Lodge 7.
I don't always agree with SCC, but here I agree with them 100%. You are waisting your energies here.
Focus on the Lodge and the issues you outlined. You were elected by a bunch of young coppers and you yourself hardly have any street time as the police in you short career.
Toughen up your skin. When the FOP has to take on the likes of Rahm-bo in upcoming contract negotiations you will be eaten alive if you display this level of immaturity.
"Leaders" don't say things tantamount to challenges for a fight in the alley after school.
Frankly, I was surprised that you took this road in one of your first acts as FOP president.
PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND AND JUST SIMPLY MOVE ON TO THE IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING THE LODGE. You have displayed a huge weak point in your character. Don't let Rham-bo and his minions capitalize on it by taking this any further.
Oh shit.... This is not going to be good for the membership
The funny thing is, I actually agree with mike about the lodge not getting involved in the whole conceal carry thing. But he really did come off as being childish at the end of his post. He's supposed to be the face and voice of our lodge and here he is calling out a blog that has done wonders for the members and then spreading rumors about who the scc is. Really came off as immature I think.
ha ha
Goes to show it was easier for him just to be an agitator. Leadership takes more than a big mouth. He needs to grow up and get smart or else it will be a long 4 years. I'm just glad his juiced cronies didn't all get elected with him.
Shields is fucking up everything at the FOP except for his personal needs...to wit- $35000 car, and brand new furniture for the lodge which cost $37000! All paid with your dues. And don't forget, Shields and his crew collect $700 a month in addition to his salary of $182500! Ask him what he gets the extra stipend for? For doing his job at FOP! Anyone who voted for this goof is soft. U got what u deserved! Chumps.
Mike if you read please do not engage any further with debate. You should have never gone down this road in the first place. Just stay on point and do not worry about what others may or may not be saying on SCC. You have a chance to do something good with the union for our members, don't blow with this.
SCC:
Sweet Jesus Christ! Now a pissing match between two entities whom I respect. Lay off Michael K. Shields. He's got much bigger fish to fry than "concealed carry".
While moronic CPD exempt sycophants and Chicago Democratic politicians will (unsuccessfully and without substance) argue against concealed carry for decent, emotionally sound, trained, law abiding citizens, most all coppers are in favor of responsible, well-crafted concealed carry laws.
Unlike Donahue, Shields acknowledges the existence of SCC and might even scan the blog as time permits.
To quote our former "fearless leader" J-Fled:
"KNOCK IT OFF!"
We don't need this shit.
Stop it! You're killing me! This had me cracking up, but was it really necessary? You're keeping Mikey on his toes with this? At least he realizes that SCC, you have become something worth reading & responding to.
I like Mike. He's in love with himself and has made a boat load of money for himself as well as money for other coppers. That being said, you could not have been more right. Well said SCC. Hopefully he learns and moves on. Lord knows he has made a lot of good moves but has a lot of learning to do.
Mike you are a coward! Why don't you drop the weasle words and say what you REALLY mean...
"I can assure you that we do not need this distraction" [I can't handle this part of my job]
"We need to have a united front and focus on what’s important" [Concealed carry is not important]
"I am content to have FOP remain neutral on the issue" [Of course "Neutral" means "opposed" by default]
" the NRA and the Supreme Court of the United States have done quite well for 2nd Amendment advocates" [No thanks to me!]
"Please be aware that many of the groups supporting conceal/carry would happily do away with our collective bargaining rights " [Of course, I will not name any of these alleged "groups" because there aren't any. Instead, I will name a governor of another state]
"our State Lodge endorsed Bill Brady as a candidate for Governor" [Because as our members knew he was the best choice, period]
"Concealed/carry may be a good thing" [It's not]
"However, it won’t pay your kid’s private school tuition and it won’t pay the bills once you are retired" [Assuming, of course your adult kid doesn't get killed at a White Castle on 69/Western with no way to defend himself in this hellhole of a state]
"We need to stay focused on issues that really matter" [Concealed carry doesn't matter to me - I don't care that my immediate family members are rendered defenseless - so it shouldn't matter to you]
"not get dragged into a debate on whether civilians can arm themselves with concealed firearms" [I hate debates]
"If this sergeant wants to emerge from the anonymity of his basement and debate me" [I love debates]
I worked with Mike and, I'll leave it at that. I appreciate the SCC Blog and all that contribute.
Little Mikey is making it very clear that he thinks he's smarter and better than everyone else. Typical condescending democrat. I can't imagine anyone who's been in the same room for more than 5 minutes with that stroke would have ever voted for him. Didn't little mikey use residency as one of his campaign issues too? He wants everybody to forget about that. Shields is a punk.
OUTSTANDING SCC!! These kids with zero f'ing time on the job think they know everything. Shields, you were elected to represent US, so get to work and quit acting like a little baby and grow up.
The kid is young and seems to be pretty full of himself. A bit too hot headed, I think, too. Let's hope he doesn't screw this up. We need leadership more now than ever.
Very well said.
"He likes it! He likes it!" Someone give "Mikey" his Kix....his kicks in the ass that is....leave the Blog alone.
"Please be aware that many of the groups supporting conceal/carry would happily do away with our collective bargaining rights and turn us into a group of low paid, at-will employees with no pension. In our last election cycle, our State Lodge endorsed Bill Brady as a candidate for Governor. Brady was a terrible choice if pensions, wages, benefits and health care were the State Lodge’s primary concern. He was a great choice if the 2nd Amendment was the State Lodge’s number one election issue. Brady would have been just like Wisconsin’s Scott Walker. No one wants what happened in Wisconsin to happen in Illinois"
I'm really irratated by that whole generalization. Once again it's the evil Republicans that want to take away everything. They know the employee isn't the problem, it's the democRAT-vote-cultivating politics that drove all of our pensions into the ground, and the unions are as much at fault than anyone. The unions fight for every wage increase and benefit, but support the very same people during election. Am I the only that sees that? How can democRATs be the source AND soultion to all of our problems?
I work for the city and have just as much, if not more (the city would lay me off before police), at risk that police officers. I do not want to see myself or any other city worker lose another dime to Daley-esque corruption. The police pension is not the only fund riddled with problems and abuse, but how long before the pyramid scheme implodes and there is no pension left? How long can the pension last when there are more people drawing from it than contributing, or drawing at a higher rate than deserved?
Our pensions will dissapear because of mismanagement and because democRATs use it as a slush fund to reward political support, not because some evil Republican took it away.
Some tough choices are ahead and the days of the strong and vengeful unions are over. The economy sucks, unemployment is high, the savior does nothing to stimulate the economy and create jobs. Some unions are fighting just to keep jobs and making tough sacrafices, while other unions are asking for more and more when there is no more to be given. We all have some tough choices ahead of us and our downfall will the desire to keep what we have when so many have lost everything. The public already demonizes city workers, do you think they will care when the city cuts wages and benefits?
This city is corrupt to the bone, and too much money is pissed away on policies and services that will never pay dividends. The spending needs to stop as much as the pension systems and pay scales need an overhaul. Walker sees that, so should everyone else. His plan does more to save jobs and pensions than leaving the system in place; a time bomb that will explode if not diffused.
Bravo!!!
Well said SCC. now let's move on together . Unity is what we need. Being divided only helps the City
> I am content to have FOP remain neutral on the issue <
"Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented."
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- Elie Wiesel
This is the problem with the "new" younger police department. Immature!!!
Mikey, get a couple of hash marks before you start spouting off at the mouth. You are now like a kid who works the desk with no street experience, but tells all sorts of war stories.
Remember, the coppers who have been in the shit, usually don't speak of it. The ones who have NOT been there, usually have diarrhea of the mouth.
This is why I voted Bella and encouraged others to do so. Bella knows tact and discretion, two planets missing from our current leader's universe. Shields has balls, but he appears to be substituting them for his brain. Employing his actual brain would be nice to strike a balance between balls AND brains when dealing with pertinent issues facing the FOP membership. You can't do it on balls alone.
Not only is this cannon loose, it could blow at any time. Not very comforting or inspiring leadership at this point in time. Still, I hold out hope for improvement.
i hate to say it, but your dead on SCC. but i must say that you hit it on the nail, because if i want to know something, i turn to the blog. and guess what, EVERYBODY that I know also does. So Mike I like you, and you're a pretty decent guy, but instead of being against us, why don't you work with us. Don't comment on common sense stuff, the reason we are the police, its because of our common sense. show some leadership and don't become a whiny baby who goes to bed crying every night if he doesn't get his way. I'm tired of not having any leadership in our FOP. Don't be another Donahue, be better. SCC, stay as you are.
Mike, "if you want to find sympathy, look in the dictionary between shit and syphilis"
Channel 5 reporting Wyzinger, McCarthy and Kerlikowske as finalists
Great article...BTW since when does the FOP HAVE to have a'spokesmen'? i.e..Pat Camden ! Chanel 5 news story on the 24th! Is he being paid out of our dues or !!!!!!!
WHY IS MIKEY STILL DOING THE PENSION GIG?
IS HE THAT HARD UP FOR CASH TO WANT THAT 60K THE CITY HAS TO PAY?
IS HE THAT GREAT A PERSON THAT BEING FOP PREZ IS PART TIME?
CAN HE READ ALL THOSE PENSION DOCUMENTS AND GIVE LEGIT VOTES ON THEM.
IS THE FOP HALL OFFICE GOING TO WEAR PENSION WORK IS DONE.
THE GUY HAS STONES BUT COMMON SENSE COMES IN HANDY.
HERES A TIP MIKEY ENDORSE ONE OF UR BAND OF MERRY MEN AND KICK IN SUM CASH FOR HIS ELECTION TO PENSION BOARD.
DONT BE A CHEAP ASS SHARE THE WEALTH.
gravitas? - who the fuck do you think you are?
Bravo , Bravo , Bravo . Now lets see if he has a tail and puts it between his legs and runs . Great job guys !
Mike Shields is correct...The FOP has other business to attend to like concentrating on the rights of the members....Let the politicians concentrate on right to carry issues.
I AM SPARTACUS!! AKA LIFM. Oh maybe you want to have the board clean all the stations bathroom walls too
19-P paul !!!!
oh yeah squad, can I get that event #
Interesting turn of events.
---not a cop
Damned well said SCC!!!
Kikey needs to man up - issue a brief note showing support for RTC and put this shit behind him. He needs to show he has a brain and start focusing on the important shit he was elected to fix.
1st item of business : I would like to thank SCC for providing the forum to express my thoughts, feelings & keeping me informed on matters concerning CPD, State & City gov't. & further, to practice my 1st Amendment right. 2nd:
Mike, SHAME ON YOU! You have joined the ranks of Shortshanks, J-Fled & Aldercrooks who want impose censorship on SCC. This is so disgusting, I can't summon the words to express how much. 3rd: Don't like what you read, then DON’T read it! Finally, I'm a 30 year vet of CPD, 1978/2008, who is for CCW & who, in the course of those 30 years met armed citizens, good citizens, who, when circumstances allowed, got a pass. Not many, a few. Thank you SCC for listening.
I can not say I know Mikey other then going to meetings. Mikey seems to be very insecure. Mikey was ignored in Springfield so he hires Donahue after he say he did a bad job as President. A good move. Mikey does not want to be in front of the cameras for every issue so he hires Pat Camden. Another good move. He throws out the guy in the last election with the highest vote total. A bad move. He throws out the lawyer with the longest history in the bargaining unit before they can pick his brain. Another bad move. They hire a Captain who quit the union to help with shootings. Maybe another bad move but time will tell. He brings in McCarthy, a bosses kid, who was J-Fled Lawyer as field Rep. A bad move. This kid lost his election. Because of his lack of experience Mikey had to hire Farrell to cover up McCarthy’s short comings. He brings in another guy as field rep. So we have two guys who I do not want at my shootings if it happens again to be replaced by three retired guys. WHY? Why because Mikey at least knows that he and his band of rookies could f*uck up your life by making a mistake.
So why did we elect him? Hope and change? We all know how that is going in Washington. 15 Nov can not come fast enough for me!
Stay safe and never trust a fed! And never trust a boss who took a meritorious promotion. They already sold their soul to the devil. And never trust a lawyer especially one who worked for J-Fled!
TRP
SCC, I'm so confused. What did Mikey say? Did I miss quotation marks somewhere? Can you post what he wrote in its entirety?
Anyway, I didn't know you could contribute to SCC. But that is what I am going to do right now!
You rock!
I personally think your wrong this time SCC. Just my opinion.
All "youse" guys, let it go. Everyone said what they had to say, let it be over.
Brava!
WOW! I'm not a Police Officer (but I have many friends and family on the force). I follow this blog and find it very informative. I just have to say that in all my years, and I have a lot of them, I've NEVER seen a better post where someone got their ass handed to them. As a citizen, well said! As a member of a union also, VERY well said. Ouch, Mike Shields...that will give you hemorrhoids!
SCC, I gave you some grief yesterday about the Brizzard thread. I felt you deserved it as you weren't being objective or even remotely fair.
Today I give you two big thumbs up for this article. I think you were spot on in your comments!!!!
The FOP should use this site to its advantage. The majority of the membership doesn't have the time to go to the meetings. More importantly being anonymous with legitimate gripes can and is comforting.
I voted for Shields. I am already regretting it. I thought this kid was going to be the shot in the arm the FOP needed. Shields is clearly about Shields. He is not about the FOP. He won't get my vote under any circumstances next time around. Officers both young and old were worried about one thing with Shields. That worry being he can only be FOP President twice. Shields won't even be close to retirement age should he win twice. I was worried that he might be tacit since he would have to come back to a uniform once his FOP time was done. I never thought he would just use the FOP as a springboard into politics. Shame on me for being so ignorant. I WONT GET FOOLED AGAIN!!!
Thanks to the city wide team to. The half assed job you guys had done the last few years and total closed mindedness to anyones thoughts outside the box caused this kid to win. Funny how the average copper on the street is always the loser.
you told him off, you handed him his ass.he has got nothing but legs from his heels to his hips cause you torn his ass up with your response.as little richard would say SHUT UP MIKE SHIELDS SHUT UPPPP OOOOHHHHHHHHH.
“I” was elected… “I” did not campaign on concealed/carry for civilians. “I” am content to have FOP remain neutral on the issue as the NRA and the Supreme Court of the United States have done quite well for 2nd Amendment advocates. “I” know that our resources will be better spent making sure we receive much deserved wages and can have a secure retirement.
Well said SCC, thank you. Sounds like the FOP will be run by one person, and the membership or FOP Board will have no say.
Well said SCC
"I am SCC".... Because I am sure you are much better looking than Kirk Douglas
SCC, as a long time blogger, that was an amazing response to President Shields. Don't know much of the man , but after 11 years on the job I 'd like to think that our union and it's president could actually make a change for the better. Hope I'm not wrong, but have the usual patrolmen's skepticism. Keep up the good fight SCC, you've done more with this blog than you will ever know!
Well said SCC, well said.....
NICE! Perfect post, SCC.
"So how's that hopey, changey stuff working out for ya?"
I see we are still talking about the "Union" that we don't have and its newly "elected" President. IT IS NOT A UNION!!! We never had and never will have a union! There is no bark in our bite BY DESIGN but maybe we can "organize" and walk circles around city hall and 35th street again. That changed everything!
I read your blog daily, enjoy it and must commend you. Your post here is better than expected. Well done.
No basement??? You're missing out. That's where I go to drink...and cry.
I think it's interesting Mike is using the FOP spot as a stepping stone to run for a State Senate seat. I keep hearing that that is his ultimate goal, which means he's angling for AN ADDITIONAL PENSION! Is anyone else worried about that?
No basement??? You're missing out. That's where I go to drink...and cry.
4/26/2011 07:58:00 AM
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Me too. Can I come over?
Ok, I will admit that I voted for Shields. I wanted something new and different. This bullshit is NOT what I had in mind. Mike, as an elected official, you need to understand that social media is a huge part of your success or failure. This blog helped you get elected. And, good or bad, it will spread the word about things the FOP is doing. To come out and let your temper show with childish comments is just bad form. Is this how you will react every time the news media or facebook or whatever else says something you don't like? News media and social media forms get to enjoy the freedom of saying exactly what they think or feel. The problem with you spouting off is that you are supposed to represent us...POLICE OFFICERS. I helped put you in your position, so when you run around makng bullshit comments and sounding like a pissed off kid on the playground, you aren't representing me very well. SCC gets to make whatever comments they feel necessary because quite frankly, they have nobody to answer to. This is just a reality, like it or not. You need to wise up and use these sources to your advantage. Stop proving the point of the people that didn't vote for you by showing your immaturity. For goodness sake, you have a UNION to run.
If you want the support of the law abiding public including business owners and shopkeepers in the city, especially when it comes to pensions and wages, you might want to consider supporting what those people want and deserve-concealed carry. At the same time call out Alverez to do her job when it comes to the criminals such as charging criminals with attempted murder rather then the bullshit charge of aggravated battery with a firearm.
SCC where the hell have you been? Mikey posted those immature comments and challenge over a week ago. I was wondering if you were ever going to respond. As I thought your response sounded much more educated and mature than Mikey's. You should of ran for FOP President like everyone suggested and got me regretting already voting for Shields!
My mother told me when I was a kid, "Boy you have 2 ears and one mouth, Listen more and talk less" Im 41 and I stopped talking when I was 4. Saved me a lot of lumps
Conceal Carry is a FOP issue. We are the biggest voice in the State and we carry a huge weight in terms of law enforcement matters. President Sheilds was elected to be our voice and the one voice. If the membership feels we should support conceal carry then he needs to do what his constituents want. By him not supporting what his membership wants in this matter it should be a wake up call to to the membership. He was elected and he can easily not be reelected in the future. Him addressing the blog is a mistake and a big one. It brings him down a level and that is not meant to hurt the blogs ego by any means. President Shields just backed himself in a corner and any smart politician should know thats never a good thing to do especially on a issue where the majority of his constituents disagree with him. The president needs to humble himself and support his membership immediately to prevent more distractions.
Over the last several months NRA has negotiated with several different law enforcement groups. The chiefs finally saw that something was likely to happen and rather be left holding the bag on what we passed, they choose to talk to have an impact on the bill.
chicago on the otherhwnd has just said no with shortshanks leading his charge at windmills.
We would enjoy having the CPD FOP lodge support. Would it make a differance, i think so. It would help.
And i would have been willing to help out if bad pension bills come out that we could effect some change on to help those who helped us.
I spoke with donahue more than once about concealed carry. He didnt like it and had planty of excuses against it.
The day that the CPD SGTs testified in favor of the bill was something to see. Right in front of the CPD brass their own guys said they didn't have a problem with it.
CPD came down twomweeks later and tried to overturn the chiefs vote in favor of the bill, trying to stack the committee with people who had not been to a meeting in over 4 years.
We were not and are not asking the President to take a lot of time out of his schedule and call all kinds of legislators or make a trip to springfield. if he wants to do like the Sgts and Lts and issues a letter/statement of support for the bill that would be more than enough, and appreciated.
If he wants to talk, i'm easy to find.
But my email is Tvandermyd@aol.com
Todd Vandermyde
NRA lobbyist
And then there were three. McCarthy, Kerlikowske and Wysinger. My pick would be McCarthy who should have gotten it instead of Cline but we all know Rham does not want to hear all the BS from Jesse and the revs so he will pick Wysinger. Too bad for the department. Good guy but will be in way over his head and who will he pick as his #1 and #2 money will be on D.A from area 2, you know that f---ed up place on the south side run to the ground by D.A. plus a whole host of other useless brainless hacks will move up. Hey but at least 004 will get a new commander when the current one gets a bump up. You can count on that if A.W gets it.
Its been said. Now enough, I don't want shields to fail and I don't want scc to be outted. This is the FRATERNAL order of police, families fight now let's move on.
next year we will begin negotiations on another contract--- we need to be united and our president elect is mike shields--- I don't know much about him and I voted for bella--- guys have been on this blog drooling all over about the guy for the past year and now he is the anti christ--- black, white, hispanic, male, female, we all have to unify if we are going to beat down rahmbo who will be trying to take things away that we fought for and give nothing in return--- squabbling amongst ourselves will get us nowhere... GO HAWKS....
Way to go SCC!!!!
Amen.
Me, I like a little debate. I especially like when it's between two entities I actually have a teaspoon of respect for. Here come's the true test. Can you be man enough to actually listen to one another with an open mind? Now that would be a breath of fresh air.
My husband and myself are retired P.O.'s living in Wisconsin. The FOP should stay out of our fight in Wisconsin. Scott Walker is doing the job we elected him to do, mainly hold the line on taxes. And, by the way, Police and Fire Fighters were exempted from losing collective bargaining rights under the new budget. I guess Shields joins the likes of Jesse Jackson and Michael Moore, who came to Wisconsin to protest. We voted for Shields and are very sorry we did.
Well Said.
Mike focus on the FOP and its membership, not on SCC.
SCC is an information source that used to be entertaining but has turned towards the negative. To many sheep on this department that treat this blog as gospel instead of what it really is, a "bathroom wall" Don't get me wrong SCC exposes a lot and gives great information on certain topics but it seems the negative posters are increasing and the infighting is getting worse.
I have posted a few things on here, pending promotions, rumors, etc. Only to have someone tell me, " I heard from my guy that this or that is happening"
Please fellow officers start thinking for yourselves, take bits of information from different sources and MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.
The guys/girls who run this blog are intelligent and well spoken, follow their lead.
the kid got his ass handed to him. theres smart and then smarter. dont pick a battle of wits unless you are smarter. well said scc
very well said ssc, when i first read mikes comments i was embarrased for him and was shocked even to be reading this, i always tried telling fellow officers to really think through voting for mike because of his inexperience and now hopefully they will understand what i was trying to prevent, anyways hopefully he will learn from this and start concentrating on being a leader and not such a tough guy, and i totally agree about his brother, its all about whats in it for them, very scary and not to be trusted at all!
Shields, get with the program and get behind RTC in Chicago and Illinois.
49 states can't be wrong!
Illinoiscarry.com
ISRA
Thanks to the city wide team to. The half assed job you guys had done the last few years and total closed mindedness to anyones thoughts outside the box caused this kid to win. Funny how the average copper on the street is always the loser.
4/26/2011 07:26:00 AM
You got that right! If Sheilds keeps the same people, we are all doomed. Looks like he is, because he hired Donahue. FOP Apple's don't far from the tree. Shields has an agenda and its not the FOP! If he is willing to throw SCC under the train, who else would he do that too? I heard a rumor well over a year ago, what Shields and his brother tried to do to an injured cop. I didn't believe the story until now!
Is that the same brother that let Obrish take his weight in 016? I guess he's a stand up guy now; just not then
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Yep sure is, very sneaky, very arrogant, should not be trusted at all
Holy crap, what a letter. I'm not on the job, but I feel for every one of you guys/gals who are. Bad enough that you get shit on all day by a$$holes, now you're getting it from this guy, too. What with the superiority complex and the holier than thou attitude. Talk about taking it from both ends.... Oh, and yes, concealed carry NOW!
by: concerned citizen who is sick of crime in chicago
Thats what you'll get for voting for him, I voted Paschke.
Anonymous said...
.. You'll be manning a beat car..
4/26/2011 12:45:00 AM
not that there's anything wrong with that
Looks like Mikey is going to need a diaper change.
"Mikey go home and eat your Maypo like a good little boy."
Your daddy Rahm.
The interaction between the two of you is just stupid
I think I screwed up in my FOP voting. I voted for the experienced FOP members and some new members, Shields included. I did this thinking the balance would be good for the membership. Shields, I think most people did the same thing. Since Shields took office I have not heard one good thing coming from him. I heard he dumped most of his elected board. I hope he gets it together before Rahm takes office because he will be eaten alive.
Hey Northside you shut the FUCK UP! SCC is right on this one. If anyone needs to shutup its that little BOY in the WAY too BIG chair.
You should all leave Mike alone!!
How many coppers do you know that can hold 3 full time jobs??
1.FOP President (full time)
2.Pension Board Trustee (full time)
3.Owner of a security business (full time)
Also, let’s not forget he has to read all the police blogs and defend himself!
How does he do it?!
Don’t worry our pension is safe because he’s watching over it. He can do it all!!!
You go Mike!!
WINK, WINK
This is the problem with the "new" younger police department. Immature!!!
Mikey, get a couple of hash marks before you start spouting off at the mouth. You are now like a kid who works the desk with no street experience, but tells all sorts of war stories.
Remember, the coppers who have been in the shit, usually don't speak of it. The ones who have NOT been there, usually have diarrhea of the mouth.
4/26/2011 06:10:00 AM
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That's an awful broad brush that you seem to be painting with. There are immature young cops, and there are immature old cops. I have heard enough stories from old cops to know that most of them were immature young cops at one time.
That being said, I agree that Mike is immature, and he just can't figure out when to keep his mouth shut. His response was plain embarrassing.
THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL...I LOVE THE "DEAR KID"...LMAO!
I would contribute, but I don't see a link anywhere. I'm a teacher, not a cop, but I read the blog often, and appreciate your efforts.
LMAO!!! You are 100% right SCC!
Mike is a good guy but should not give a crap about what goes on with this blog.
As you pointed out there are so many other EXTREMELY IMPORTANT issues he needs to be working on.
Mike you were voted into office to change things, not to worry about the banterings on this blog or on the street, keep it up and you will be crying everyday in your nice new office!
Mike will divide and let the city conquer us. We are screwed this next contract and we can only blame ourselves. I for one am done with this union already. Just wait until this weasle blows up in front of media, that will make us look real good. Im just counting the days. Im glad it isnt my problem soon.
Lighten up, Francis.
I'm not a cop so much of this discussion is "inside baseball" to me, but I do find one thing very amusing. The criticism of SCC for being anonymous. As someone who was heavily involved in criticizing outgoing Aldercritter Helen Shiller on the internet I was tangentially the target of a subpoena her favorite developer/heavy local campaign contributor/Wilson Yard developer Peter Holsten's attorneys issued.
It was nothing less than an act of intimidation. It failed of course. The judge, by the name of Rochford, tossed it when she also essentially tossed the case. Even then the Holsten attorneys still tried to keep the subpoena going.
There are at least three valid reasons for SCC to stay anonymous. First,career repercussions to him, his family, friends or other types of city actions that might negatively affect him. You can also add in people who might not be acting in an official capacity who might be pissed off at something SCC published and seek revenge.
Second, just to annoy and piss off those you are opposing or criticizing. I imagine there are dozens if not more Chicago cops who have been "accused" of being SCC. I'd bet my middle testicle that a great deal of speculation and maybe even serious effort has gone into figuring out SCC's secret squirrel identity. Doesn't the idea of annoying the bastards just bring joy to your heart?
Third, there is a long tradition of anonymous writing in American history. From Thomas Paine and "Common Sense" to Hamilton, Madison and Jay writing as "Publius" in the "Federalist Papers". Anonymous writing is often more powerful because it keeps people more interested and guessing as to the real identity of the writer. Once the curtain is lifted the writing is perceived as being a bit less interesting and more common.
The whole IrishPirate schtick I had/have going provides much amusement. I've been in social situations where people tell me they know who "IrishPirate" is or speculate as to the real identity. They are invariably wrong. The identity of SCC must be a similar thing on a much larger and better read scale.
Really, anonymity can be an amusing and powerful tool for better spreading a message. Some may think of it as a fertilizer spreader. Others may think that after the fertilizer is spread some good things will grow because of it. There is truth in both views.
As for Mike Shields here is a suggestion I have. In reading this I'm getting a big whiff of Irish loudmouth off him. Those of us who went to Catholic Boys High Schools know what I mean. My suggestion is he just ignore SCC. He created this controversy by responding. It reminds me of some of the stuff I've seen about Trump. Anyone who criticizes him is likely to get a nasty response or silly insults hurled at him from the floppy haired wonder. Just ignore it and focus on the big stuff El Presidente Shields.
Again...I am COMPLETELY impartial here.
4/26/2011 01:32:00 AM
then you must be me.
Chalkie
Thanks SCC you covered it all mike should really grow up, the kid by the way here is the TRUTH SHIELDS, Many Black coppers thought the Mike shields they were voting for was former DS Mike Shields not you so there you go Mike your ass by SCC and you win exposed by me you jagoff!
Scc you are wrong on this one, this is a union and it should stick with the issues of a union which the right to carry is not one. The right to carry is a NRA thing NOT a union issue.
btw what the hell is a BLOGMASTER ? Shields if you are going to use the hip new technology of the internet, at least get the terms down,,, fucking Rumor Central, memories...I think Orlando came up with that, if I recall.
O.t. Aurora man sentenced to 6 years for punching aurora cop. I guess the consequences for battering a cop outside cook county are a bit stricter!!
Oh, and by the way, I did not vote for that smartass GP, he was not elected and so I had better not see his smirky ass at the table at the next meeting. Gorman was bad enough.
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I pay my union dues and I have EVERY right to be at MY union meetings! If you have a problem please come talk to me personally.
P.S. This cocky smile was taught to me by our very own President Mike Shields.
OK don't start on the Camden BS. I remember when we all wanted him because of all the negative publicity. Let that one go. Pick your battles son.
Mike Shields wants to remain neutral on the subject because he knows our new Mayors past and present position on the issue and does not want to create waves for FOP in the future on more important issues on the plate,But pointing the finger at SCC is a wrong move. SCC is a good thing and allows FOP members to vent and tell their side of the story from the street. I am sure Mike Shields is a good guy but you are no longer a street police officer but do business over a free lunch every day.
Shields certainly seems to be positioning himself as a machine politician.
What about the Blackhawks? LOL
Mikey, you were voted in by the membership of this great organization, CPD. Do not let yourself be voted out. It can happen just as fast as a blink of an eye. Before you know it, election time will come around and you will be judged by your peers.
Anyway, I didn't know you could contribute to SCC. But that is what I am going to do right now!
You rock!
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And you cannot read.
Is it true that little Mikey makes in excess of $250,000 for FOP pres and Pension Board? Maybe he needs to drop one of those jobs and concentrate on running the FOP.
NorthSide said...
SCC:
Sweet Jesus Christ! Now a pissing match between two entities whom I respect? Lay off Michael K. Shields. He's got much bigger fish to fry than "concealed carry"...
To quote our former "fearless leader" J-Fled:
"KNOCK IT OFF!"
We don't need this shit.
4/26/2011 03:10:00 AM
Agreed. Let it end here.
Shields is the head of FOP and we ALL need to unite behind him.
Imho, expecting a PO to run as big an operation as the FOP alone is ludicrous. I am TOTALLY in agreement with bringing in Donahue, Camden and Farrell, ALL experts in the areas in which they were brought in to assist. The stakes are too high to simply leave it to the elected FOP Board.
In hindsight, Shields unnecessarily took aim at an SCC post. I'm guessing it won't happen again (nor should it)!
I agree with NorthSide. Hopefully, this is just a learning moment for Mike. I don't know what the new (or old) adage is but you dont make war with a guy who buys ink by the tanker car.
“I am content to have FOP remain neutral..."
You, sir, are not the FOP. The members are the FOP, and what you are content with, or not, reflects only your opinion. As president of the FOP, your public statements about concealed carry, or any other issue, should reflect those of the majority of the membership, and should be prefaced with "we", not "I". I suppose you couldn't come out as being outrightly against the issue, as that would have brought outright hostility from the membership. Take a survey.
Your personal attitude of nice, safe, neutrality regarding concealed carry strikes me as a self-serving attempt to avoid any negative or politically harmful fallout from the irrationally anti-gun Chicago Democratic politicians, whose future good graces you may wish to rely upon in the future. Future political aspirations maybe? Perhaps you simply fear angering people to whom may have to go with your hat in your hand as some point. This gives me serious misgivings as to what other issues you may bend over to these same politicians for in your personal interests.
OK, OK, each of you said your piece.
SCC,please get back to what you do best.
Shields,please get to work on what you were elected to do.
The pissing contest was aired and over.
Let us all look out for one another and get on with life.
just dont post anything on his facebook page he will remove it..i think voteing for him was a mistake..he has sold us out
I think Shields definately took the wrong approach, but no one gives a fuck what our(police) stance is on any issue. If u want to have a voice on concealed carry become a NRA member. They yield power and influence through deep pockets.
We are presently a ball-less tiger. We have been for a long time. Time for Shields to turn that around. If he doesn't, then vote him out. That simple.
Shields's position was the right one, and I support him.
I just hope the nastiness I've seen in print here doesn't start a war btw FOP and the blog.
In 1982 FOP won anelection to represent all P.O.s inthe city prior to that it was collective begging.If you want to go back to that your a fool. Spent five yrs as a rep in5 ,2yrs as a rep in o22, and watch rep in 001. Retired in 98. Shields we dinosaurs have to invested in C.P.D. do not fuck it up.
I voted for Shields but this move on his part was fucking moronic. And Im a bit concerned and was at the time that I voted about his brother and his true aspirations in all of this? His brother Dan owns and runs a security firm and I did NOT vote for dan because of this. He is all for himself and i see him using this to make more connections for his business. Dont forget rahm is mayor now, rahms brother is a hollywood guy and dan likes to claim how many security gigs he does for so many big name hollywood types. Im hoping shields and his new crew dont use this to get rich and fuck us. I thought a young change was necessary but if this is his idea of picking fights then I hope he just stays as a water boy because he surely doesnt belong in a ring. by the way, media, politicians, big bosses LOVe when this happens, they want to split us up. Apparently Shields is an "inside" guy afterall. Can someone please check his old mans connections?
OT...but Wysinger??? An exempt who allowed himself to be put in for the Lambert Tree when there were beat coppers who did real police work? NO RESPECT for this guy. He gets in a "shootout" with someone who doesn't know he's there, doesn't shoot at him, doesn't shoot back...then a "stray bullet" fired by who knows who hits a bystander...and because he's a politician the Council gives him the award and he accepts??? NO RESPECT.
Well said SCC.
I commend your calling out of the little dictator.
Things do not bode well for our future with this brat in power.
Please all start attending meetings and challenging his rash decision making before things get out of control.
Love it SCC!
They hire a Captain who quit the union to help with shootings. Maybe another bad move but time will tell. He brings in McCarthy, a bosses kid, who was J-Fled Lawyer as field Rep. A bad move. This kid lost his election. Because of his lack of experience Mikey had to hire Farrell to cover up McCarthy’s short comings. He brings in another guy as field rep. So we have two guys who I do not want at my shootings if it happens again to be replaced by three retired guys. WHY? Why because Mikey at least knows that he and his band of rookies could f*uck up your life by making a mistake.
FOP hired retired Capt Farrell? The 1 thing I do know is that Farrell has done more than anyone to help coppers in trouble, both big trouble and little. As a PO there was no one better to have out on your shooting than Farrell. For whatever the reasons this is a great move.
Mike and Danny, I know you both well and you know me. I know you will read this and hope you take this as your first lesson, LEARN FROM IT and just move on. I will remain anonymous for the simple reason of not stepping on any toes, just like my man SCC. I voted for you both but not "all" of you. I voted for who I thought would do the best job for "all" of us but this isn't what I call serving OUR membership. As FOP President, it is completely unnecessary for you to address a blog at all, although be it a fine and very informative one at that with thousands of readers, much less in your FOP current updates. You should use this forum to your benefit as opposed to making an enemy of someone 99% of the membership looks to regarding anything CPD related, FOP included. I'm sure you're pissed, I know you're embarrassed and I hope you stick to being President, or start being I should say, and do the good I know you can. SCC, although he handed you your ass, also handed you the olive branch. Take it.
Great job SCC!
Mike Shields: it is not too late for the FOP to step up to the job of helping to support and pass HB148.
Do you really want history to record the FOP as voting "present" on an issue as momentus as restoring rights to citizens?
Scc u are the official spokesperson for us coppers. Mike shields is a young punk who is way over his big inflated head. You have my support.
Can we have a recall election?
The funny thing is, I actually agree with mike about the lodge not getting involved in the whole conceal carry thing. But he really did come off as being childish at the end of his post. He's supposed to be the face and voice of our lodge and here he is calling out a blog that has done wonders for the members and then spreading rumors about who the scc is. Really came off as immature I think.
4/26/2011 02:49:00 AM
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I also agree with the above, I actually think Mike should have put something on the FOP page ABOUT the concealed carry, but he should not have mentioned anything about SCC.. that was somewhat silly.
OTOH, SCC, you are also correct, but I hope you will let this tiff die down because it could be counterproductive in the long run.
Ouch.........
HEY...Can I take my vote back....
As the police it is not our job to dictate public policy or give opinions on laws. Our job is to enforce laws that our "alleged" representatives create. I am not a fan of Shields, but I agree that we don't have or should we have a horse in this race. We have bigger fish to fry who are tryin to take away our pensions, health care, spar us for doing our jobs and just looking to fuck us overall. There is no need for the FOP, CPSA, CPLA or CPCA to get involved.
According to the Scum Times... Our fate is sealed... Mccarthy will be the next Supe... So much for picking an insider huh Rham??? Can you imaging Rham lied to get people to believe him?? And where has that asshole Sneed been lately with her daily police inside scoop blotter?? She is a total nitwit! I asked her to please run a small blurb in her column for one of our fallen officers funds and she didnt do it... Gossip is more important...she is no friend of the police just another journalist hack.
Well said SCC, thank you. Sounds like the FOP will be run by one person, and the membership or FOP Board will have no say.
4/26/2011 07:35:00 AM
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It may be run by one kid, but that kid can have his ass handed to him repeatedly in the media if he thinks he's gonna try and fuck over the membership like a little upset boy.
If this shittard refuses to put true contractual issues up at contract time, his ass will be gone. The membership is not about to tolerate a little petulant child fucking things up for our future.
Mike, you took the bait. Now you have to support the bill and if not you will feel the backlash.
-"Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." -Maybe that is why Shields explained himself; he has been getting beaten up on this blog. (Just saying) By the way, the extra pay is $600, not $700 like an earlier post says, what is the other option? Time-n-a-half for being on-call? That would be even worse! Don't mention that to them though! I think they each are allowed cars too but they voted that down.
First, FOP is a useless organization. It was useless in 1982 and it is more useless today. When I retired, I refused to join at their discounted rate. Why join something that does nothing.
Every FOP president and officer has been a tool of the city. The reason FOP is the union is because the Machine did not want a real union to stand up for our rights. I was there and fought against FOP tooth and nail.
This pup is just another shill for the Machine. He won because he was supposed to win.
FOP is nothing more than a fraternal group. The American Legion and VFW do more for their members than FOP does.
Shields is Donohugh is Nolan is Dineen. Nothing changes but the names.
I don't call it a basement. It's my "man cave."
SCC and Prez Mikey need to kiss and make up over a carafe o' decaf. I'll reserve the back room at John Barleycorn and even buy the lip balm. Does Police Partnership Day work for you two?
"I I I I I Me Me Me I I I "
Jagbag
SCC- Like the way you slapped the "KID" a few times, and then like a good parent reached down and lifted the "KID" up and showed him how to over-come the errors that led to the verbal admonishment.
I worked with Mike in Fillmore, and he was a good copper in the day. In over his head now? YES I think so. He lost an opportunity to have a seat at the big peoples table, and be taken seriously. NOW- FOP Lodge 7 will be seen as pet of the Daley Machine or Rahmbo Machine.
both sides are childish
hmmm very long response. Might have struck a nerve with you scc. Maybe some of that is true perhaps by who you favored. I know what comments where posted and how many didn't make through. I think you both are correct on some points. Not our issue is correct. Public's issue. The public wants its then they need to fight for it. Secondly I think you both are being very petty are both trying to settle personal scores. So lets get out the bickering now and put on a unified front on the bigger battles.
This is how we take care of things. We had our sit down and now let's go on with business. Hate to say it, but we need shields just as much as we need scc
Damn SCC, you are one hell of a linguist. Excellent post. On the topic of cops and concealed carry, I remember when I was relatively new on the job. I thought that only cops should have the right to carry because we are trained. Then as the years went by I started changing my outlook and realized that we are all citizens, and all law abiding citizens have a right to protect themselves from the predators among us. Now that I'm retired I believe this even more strongly and would like to remind the cops who think that only they should be allowed to carry, that one day they too will just be a "lowly citizen". Armed law abiding citizens are not the problem. The thugs who already carry firearms are the problem.
Ch 7 news reads an email from FOP, "hopefully a new Supt. will be concerned with the safety and welfare of his officers." Can't get in front of a camera at the Star Ceremony, can't think on your feet (or worse -- weren't you there?) Where was Camden, why an email response, afraid of a follow up question? Just say. "Pres. Shields, in fear for his life, sent an email."
LMFAO
After 25 years of being a Chicago Police Officer This has got to be the lowest I have ever seen the guys and my Union representation. At a time when we need it more then ever, the people have put their trust in a child at best. Another want to be politician. If at all possible Mike, please try to keep the best interests of the members at the forefront and forget the rest of the Bull Shit. Protect my pension and the pension of the retired, don't bow to the City Hall Bullshit and embrace what the SCC stands for. This is OUR way of venting without getting fuk'd. You should have enough time on the job to know what getting fuk'd means. REMEMBER YOU BARELY GOT ELECTED SO ALMOST HALF OF THE GUYS DON'T WANT YOU, DON'T TRUST YOU. Hang you head for a moment and realize you got 4 years to figure this out if you don't then your out. Its that simple. Spend your time working for US not against us in this blog. Sticks and stones... Remember. Grow a pair and get to work. Oh, by the way when I got the E-mail with your bullshit attempt to attack the SCC by using the union voice, just made up my mind even more of how were FUK'd. Thanks in advance and thank God we have vice president's for the checks and balance system.
Now get to work and shock us all or lay down as everyone expects...
Mike,
I know you read this blog. I know you read these comments. Mike, for OUR sake, the sake of the Patrolmen of the CPD, and for the betterment of the Department: Please, pay attention to what’s said!
Right now, you're in a great position to do some good for us. You have some of the "Old Guard" to point out where the land-mines are, and you have your people, with some great new ideas! However, you’re fucking it up by pissing your time away on what you perceived to be a direct attack on you.
Mike, you can pull it off! You are in a place that can work wonders for us, go out there and do it!
I'm glad I voted for Bella. I'll take old school over no nothing hair gel any day of the week.
Shields+Rahm=Were Fucked
One thing for sure you people had better start looking at whats going on in these other states. Realize that everyone one does NOT have your best interest at heart. Some people will take everyone down for their own agenda-
I heard years ago , never get into a pissing contest with someone on a balcony! You, SCC are the person on the balcony. I think you have a greater bully pulpit, if you choose to use it that way, then the FOP, which has remained relatively silent during the years on so many issues. And, it never seems to amaze me, that so many of the FOP officers go on to so many great government jobs and those connected to major national unions.I can only compare how our FOP speaks out on issues as compared to the unions in NY and Philly. Not evern close.
I think Northside hit the nail on the head. Knock it off-the both of you!
It's about time
This is nothing more than a pissing contest, guys. The last thing we need is divisiveness. Let's move on.
Once again Sheilds had a chance to speak for the membership on abc 7 today about the new leader of the department. Sheilds decided to email his response something to the effect that he hopes whomever is the new Supt, that he hopes that he just supports his officers.
Mike pay attention!
Grow some balls and do your job! You know dam well that the majority of every Chicago Police Officer wants our future Supt to be from with in the CPD. Your recent comment or email shows no fortitude on your behalf. Do what your membership wants. Grow the balls and say the next Supt needs to be from with in the dept. No emails or none of that generation x shit. Make a statement in support of what your membership wants. Do not, not take a pussy way out like you did with Conceal Carry. You were elected to be the man in spotlight and not run from it. Take it on and make the most of it while your here.
He came out to roll call.
I listened. I voted for him. I thought it was nice that he seemed a little 'hot headed'. I would call that passionate. No one else seemed passionate about what they wanted to do. At some point, right, wrong or otherwise, you have to admit it becomes time for a change. This was our change. If it was wrong, in 4 years we'll get another chance.
What's the worst that could happen in negotiations with the City? a 0% a year raise as opposed to 1% a year? $720 dollars? Big deal; it's 35 cents each day of the year or $2.77 each day you work. Skip the Starbucks every day and you'll be alright. At this point my mattress is paying more interest than my bank. Give the guy a chance, lets see...
I swear I am in know way affiliated with Shields or his group in any further manner than the fact that I am a CPD Detective.
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Know way? You're an actual detective?
If that's the case, then I no you can do better with the English language.
I don't see how you could even begin to confuse the two words.
What really burns me about all this is how SCC had the courtesy to allow people to express their support for Mike Shields. Talk about free advertising politicians would pay out the A$$ for. Then to turn around and act like he hasn't benefited from this blog, that's pretty low.
I voted for this man. In the back of my mind something told me when he was making a lot of noise about Humberman getting a pension that this guy has a big ego and is all about himself. My intuition was right. Next time you won't get my vote Mike. In my district on our watch, 16 people voted for Mike Shields. Already 11 regret it. Mike spend your time making our job better. It's not about you it's about us.
Mikey, you just insulted your supporters..Also, remember you are a citizen with a job as a Police Officer..
All this shows what a self promoting, entitled, ill will to our fellow, envious, bitter group of people have to be dealt with. That is why we'll never be united and we're at the mercy of the city. This will never change. There are does who are level headed and those that are an ignorant intolerant group and usually the ones that somehow come to the attention of the general populace. Thus our image with the citizenry.
Just a daggone shame
Mikey!
'can you say stool pigeon'
Dude, You had me then you lost me.
Gun the control comment was dumb and the slap at SCC was dumber. Run your statements past PC, he's a grownup..
I am really disappointed with you.
Unlike Donahue, Shields acknowledges the existence of SCC and might even scan the blog as time permits.
To quote our former "fearless leader" J-Fled:
"KNOCK IT OFF!"
We don't need this shit.
4/26/2011 03:10:00 AM
Sorry NorthSide. He or his staff should be scanning it daily. Sounds like he's too good for us basement people.
My personal opinions are the following: I am against concealed carry. Yes, you arm the sheep but you also arm the wolves. Which is why I believe the fop should be against it. Shields challenged "whoever" to a debate. I didnt vote for shields, but I think he has some good ideas. There are many good ideas written here. Why can't we build bridges here and have a stronger department/union/city.
9:50 AM "Anonymous"
I didn't get your name. If you're capable of having a civil and rational exchange of ideas, drop me a line:
CPDfop7@yahoo.com
Otherwise, YOU shut the fuck up, punk!
Guarantee: This guy will be endorsing Obama.
The interaction between the two of you is just stupid
4/26/2011 09:40:00 AM
sounds like my marriages.
Don't EVER, EVER, piss off SCC!
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