Half-Assed Verdict
We're glad for the conviction, but what the hell is this?
A Cook County jury Thursday night found a South Side man guilty of aggravated battery with a firearm for shooting and injuring a Chicago Police detective.
But jurors weighing in on Bobby Selvie’s case acquitted him of the more serious charge of attempted murder.
The jury sent at least one note to Judge Timothy J. Joyce that indicated they were “struggling” with whether “shooting a gun at someone means intent to kill.”
Seriously? Can we get a judge to send a copy of the ILCS into the jury room? Jagoff wasn't looking to send flowers to the detective. We can just imagine this defense popping up in courtrooms across Cook County over the next decade.
Hopefully, the judge makes up for the jury's shortcomings by going for the maximum sentence of 60 years.
Hopefully, the judge makes up for the jury's shortcomings by going for the maximum sentence of 60 years.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
81 Comments:
Well this is what we are up against. I hope everyone understands what his means......
After all the leftist/progressive bullshit that "guns are only for killing innocent people" they pull this out of their ass?
I weap for our country.
In-fu&&ing-credible!
Eventually the phrase "a reasonable person" will disappear from the language in courts. Intent will become an impossible thing to prove without a confession. Even then it will be difficult. Just because they broke into your house doesn't prove intent to burglarize it. Just because they shot you 10 times doesn't mean they intended to kill you. The list goes on.
Same screwed up verdict came from a Cook County jury last year with the PO that was shot in the neck in 014. That shithead got 50 years I think.
What do these people think the offender is trying to do when they shoot cops from a few feet away???
The only positive is that the sentencing guidelines are almost the same for Agg Batt/PO and Att Murder and its mandatory 85%.
This just goes to show coming on the heels of burying the bodies of 6 Chicago Police Officers that society doesn't give a shit about US, let alone the GREAT MAJORITY of the nit wits that are in our jury pools up here in this county....
A Chicago Police Detective
12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
our society is getting dumber and dumber.
jury doesnt care they just want to get back to watching housewives of this or that, jersey shore, dancing with the stars, and facebooking. they cant be bothered with real world issues.
collectively as a culture we Americans are doomed. HAPPY 4Th! (of july that is, aka independence day, from England You know..)
Can someone who was there comment as to the racial makeup of the jury?
OT: FYI SCC, there is nothing at all in the 017th District CO book regarding no chases with the new Tahoes.
SCC,
This truly is UN-UN-FUCKIN-BELIEVABLE!!!!
How can anyone question when someone points a gun at a person I.e. a police officer...there ONLY intention is to indeed kill the person ( in this case, the detective) ...why else would they do that other than for the mere fact of what the weapon was used for!!
He didn't shoot him cause he loved him!
Stupidity is running rampant in the courtrooms!!
When I think no one can surprise or amaze me anymore....something like this happens.
When I read the post...I had to do a double take! Reminding me of the scooby-doo cartoon character when he shakes his head in question and disbelief while saying......huh!!
only in CROOK county. what a flipping joke !!
We thank all officers that daily risk their lives so our children can walk to the park, have popsicles on the porch, and have a few more years of innocence while Chicago's finest stand the watch for them.
I feel sick.
my stomach is in knots. this makes me fucking sick
Oh wow...I don't even know what to say on this one. That's crazy..!
This judge will slam Selvie.
A cop's life is worth nothing these days. What we do used to mean something. Now we are viewed as nothing but a profession to dump on by our Superintendents, political leaders, community leaders, Catholic Church representatives. Now it's ok for us to get shot at and it's not attempted murder? Anyone who shoots at another is committing attempted murder. I don't know why I do this anymore. There is no reason.
60 years? That mean he'll do 20?
OT, but so believable;
Excellent article in the 30 JUN 11 American Thinker website by John Bennett titled, " How race gets rubbed out of the story "
RE: the black on white attacks downtown & along the lake.
The "people" in this city and county are the stupid fucks that elect our politicians and allow them to steal and bankrupt the government.
Those are your "peers" when you get charged. Keep that in mind. They think guns are evil, but if you shoot one at someone you don't want to kill them?
And people wonder why cops loose their enthusiasm for doing the job after a while.
What do you expect from the jury pool in Shitcago?
That has been the norm in the fourth district for years!! They have been telling us that you have to prove the offender's intent was to kill his or her victim!! So they always wanted a confession by the offender saying his intent was to kill his or her victim!! Just firing a weapon was at a victim was not good enough for an Attempt Murder Charge.
OT: FYI SCC, there is nothing at all in the 017th District CO book regarding no chases with the new Tahoes.
It's in our CO book in 010, signed by the Dep Chief and addressed to all Area 4 commanders about two weeks ago.
After all the leftist/progressive bullshit that "guns are only for killing innocent people" they pull this out of their ass?
I weap for our country.
7/01/2011 12:18:00 AM
And I weep for stupid people that can't spell "weep."
Don't forget, our state leader disposed of the death penalty for our societies most violent killers. Why?, becuase there is compassion for criminals here in Illinois. Do not be surprised when it gets worse, the people have an outline to follow right from the top!
Anonymous said...
A cop's life is worth nothing these days. What we do used to mean something. Now we are viewed as nothing but a profession to dump on by our Superintendents, political leaders, community leaders, Catholic Church representatives. Now it's ok for us to get shot at and it's not attempted murder? Anyone who shoots at another is committing attempted murder. I don't know why I do this anymore. There is no reason.
7/01/2011 05:30:00 AM
Officer, you do matter.You are appreciated. Thank you for stepping up and doing what you do. Anyone who shoots at a cop should be thrown in a hole. If I had been on this jury, no way this asshole gets off with less than attempted murder.Or it would have been a hung jury, and they could hold another trial with 12 other jurors who MIGHT have their heads out of their asses and convict this moron.
-a Citizen
1st and 16th, lunch, 2 personals, car wash, gas, 19P's, maybe a bus check
The jury sent at least one note to Judge Timothy J. Joyce that indicated they were “struggling” with whether “shooting a gun at someone means intent to kill.”
Except if your a cop.
Regardless of whether he knew he was shooting at an officer, he shot him in the BACK! I could maybe see this verdict if the officer was running towards him, then the shithead could try and garner sympathy by using the excuse "I didn't know who this guy was. I was defending myself".
But shooting a man in the back who is running AWAY from you?
Who out there would venture to guess the out come if it was the detective who had shot the shit head in the back while he was running away from him? HHmmm?
Boy, bitch slap a shackled prisoner and lose 2 years of pay. Then when you have served out your punishment get hamstrung with a civil rights violation and get sent to prison for 3 years.
But shoot a man in the back who happens to be an on duty police officer and suddenly the law gets hazy.
Retirement is not coming fast enough. The happiest day in my life will be when I am driving with my family and watching this city fade in my rear view mirror.
More proof that after 60 or so years of liberal, progressive propaganda supposedly ordinary citizens have had their ideas of right and wrong altered. If you hear the big lie often enough and it is promoted as the right way to think by the media, the federal and state government, people begin to believe it. Does anyone believe that in the '40s or '50s a Cook County jury would send a question to the court asking whether shooting someone with a gun was proof of intenet to kill? The thought processes of citizens have been permanently altered by the constant drip of socialist propaganda. It has in many places throughout this country, where there are large groups of people dependent upon the government dole, become the dominant thought pattern. Look at the OJ Simpson murder trial result. Why are the people of Florida having to watch the prosecution twist itself in a torturous pretel like fashion to prove that Casey Anthony killed her daughter? How can anyone doubt that when a child goes missing and the mother doesn't report it for more than a month, the mother goes out partying and gets a tattoo saying "The Good Life" knowing her baby is missing, and the baby is found dead in a plastic bag 6 blocks from her house that the mother killed the child? Again, 50 or 60 years ago there would be little question about the culpability of such a mother. Now, we have seven or eight week trials where people seriously question her guilt. Our culture has taken a turn for the worse and being a law enforcement officer is a thankless but oh so necessary job. Stay safe and God bless the Thin Blue Line.
Nothing will change until the ANIMALS fuck up and kill a judge or a liar ...oops meant lawyer then you will see the ILCS statutes used. Fuckin liberal assholes. Maybe if the idiot lawyers that represent these shitbirds had to have their saintly clients live with them prior to sentencing and after being paroled would sentencing be a for real thing. Stay safe everyone. Aburb brother in blue.
Why don't we ask the Physicians who treated Det. Johnson, if this bullet could have killed him. This was not a fight between buds that went wrong. Selvie knew he was the police and he knew who was shooting at. I guess the jury was swayed by the armani suit the thug was wearing.
Crook county juries are made up of people that are not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
These thugs are all expert marksmen.
Wumpy
What was the makeup of the jury? It was the Democratic voter base of Cook County.
I'm sure Mr. Selvie was just trying to shoot the gun out of Detective Johnson's hand.....while he had his back turned to him
85% for agg batt to p.o.? not unless something has changed or you mean agg batt w/firearm to p.o. My guy got two years for agg batt to p.o. and only served 6months. He was out on bond the whole time the case was going. My I.O.D. was as long as his sentence due to my surgery.
Maaaan, he wusint tryin' to keel tha officer, he was jus trying to shoot him.
To me it looked to be a good jury selection for the state. Sounds like they tried to get TOO smart and philosophical. If you think about anything hard enough you can Fu*k it up, and it sounds like what happened here.......
Only the brightest in a cook county jury! This county has the dumbest court system in the USA. Soemone should fire a gun at them striking them and then ask them if they thought they were going to die.
Wow...really??? who tries to rationalize if pointing a gun at another person and shooting is intent to kill? The moment you squeeze the trigger you accept the fact that the target may perish. Who are these people?
WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
idiots
Like most of us, this verdict sickens me. The fact that 12 citizens of Cook County believe that the defendant DEFINITELY & BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT shot a man, a police officer who made it his life's work to serve & protect these very citizens nonetheless, but perhaps only meant to hurt or wound him, not kill him, is completely insane. It lacks any common sense. The jury is of course rigidly shielded from this animal's previous arrest & conviction history during the course of the trial, but I would love it if it were mandatory for these obviously naive 12 individuals to attend sentencing when the judge will enlighten them as to the complete waste of human existence he (and his savage kin) are. We can only pray at this point that Judge Timothy Joyce shows more wisdom (& zero mercy) in his sentencing decision.
Detective Johnson, Mrs. Johnson, Tom McDonagh: PLEASE keep SCC posted on when we can expect this animal to stand before the judge for sentencing. I want to see the look on Mama Selvie's face when she hears the judge enumerate all the reasons that she has failed society by continuing to breed less than human waste.
To the rest of us: this verdict should mean a zero tolerance on anyone with the last name Selvie, or even associated with these savages.
when any pieve of shit motherfucker places you in fear of gbh or death, please KILL that motherfucker!!!!!!! dont injure or take into custody, KILL HIM!!!!!!
Why bother chasing the animal? they destroy there own area,their own peoples let the best skilled savage win,I can still handle a shovel and broom to clean up. He sir a copy of your VIN have a nice day,time for coffee!! Let the bullshit revs talk to their peoples to straighten them out,they get enough money from our taxes! Where is jesse extortionist,louis fukkan (Chaka khans sisiter) at!
Who is the JUDGE that allowed this to happen in his/her court room?
You just never know what a jury is thinking. I have been surprised and shocked many times over my career.Many people who have no knowledge of what goes on in the inner city just do not believe the testimony and just do not believe that some people are just too lousy to let live.
Joyce sucks. I had him on murder trial before and he found the jagoff not guilty based on the victim not remembering some pre-pubesent mustache.
Is he a 19th Ward Joyce?
Remember on election day
That whole selvie family has been and always will be pos! Hope that maybe they all blow up or maybe some other gang punk could use and ak and not would kill that whole scum family! Talk about a house of savage animals look here first at this family.
Hope the copper has recovered fully, let the animals kill each other,you hear a call shots fired in the ghetto no police involved,make sure you have coffee,stop at all stop lights and signs,obey speed limit,activate lights only if copper is calling otherwise do the paper and drive away and laugh! Another 1 in the hole for a dirt nap,would be a taxpayer delight.
The verdict is in... do THE BARE MINIMUM BECAUSE 1.society doesn't care about us. 2. the dept doesn't care about us. 3. sadly, WE don't even care about us anymore. CPD waived the white flag several years ago. Stick a fork in us, we done!
I've been called for jury duty a number of times here in Oklahoma, but the lawyers keep bouncing me back into the jury pool. They obviously don't want anyone intelligent or knowledgeable on their juries. It doesn't look like they have that problem in Chicago.
ECS
Pat...I'm sorry this happened to you, but happy you SURVIVED. Beth, you are a pillar of Support with Class. Sorry I couldn't make it to the Trial, it's like getting victimized all over again. I hope that the son of a bitch dies in prison. We can only hope that true Justice will prevail. Be Safe.
When I point MY gun at someone it IS to Kill someone.
At that point life or death is their option, not mine.
Period!
The people of the city of Chicago would always prefer that you get killed rather than have you kill some criminal.
That's why they charge defendants with both. Agg Batt Firearm and Att Murder are both class X felonies.
If Selvie gets a day less than 50 years, it will be a travesty.
Well, at least he got convicted of the agg batt. Lets hope and pray the judge imposes the maximum sentence. Who's the judge and when does the mutt get sentenced?
Tahoo car chase policy not in our CO book either. Only saw a few posts about it here. No idea if policy is true or not.
Nah, he was just shooting to "injure or incapacitate" Just like you guys are supposed to do each time. Take some lessons from him, a true Hollywood wild west gunslinger.
Stupid jurors are too stupid to identify their own self-interest. I am not a cop, and I think all of us would be better off of aggravated battery went away and was replaced with attempted murder. Stupid people. Or shitty prosecutors. Or both.
The jury was pretty OK, really. For some reason attempt murder is harder to prove than murder or anything else.
Good prosecutors, good judge. It's going to be all academic anyway when you step up for sentencing, Bobbie.
You shoot at a Cop YOU go to the fucking morgue!!!!! End of the story, no trial, no bleeding heart liberal judges, no fucking problem!!!!!!!
"The jury sent at least one note to Judge Timothy J. Joyce that indicated they were “struggling” with whether “shooting a gun at someone means intent to kill.”
Oh yeah, in some cultures people shoot at each other with no intent on hitting their target, just random directional firing@$%^@$!!
The judge should ask one of them
to stand in front of him while he shoots a gun at them at let think it through and if they think if their life is threatened. Jeesh...
The jury pool was an even mix. most looked retired, close to retirement or at least mature. no shitheads. My partner thought it would have been a lock for a guilty verdict. The two female defense attorneys were terrible, the male lead unfortunately wasn't. The State was very good. In the end though, sheeple don't want to know the wolf will eventually come for them or theirs one day. Maybe, in the face of overwelming evidence if they side with their emotions (i.e. show mercy to a shitbird wanna-be murdering fuck) then maybe the world will be safer for everyone. If you show compassion to the cruel, you are being cruel to the compassionate. We've all been on the side of b.s. verdicts, but it's usually for b.s. cases. This one hurts.
DONT THINK THE PULIC CARES MUCH.
THE POLICE R NO LONGER THE HEROES OF THE 1950'S.
WATCH AS RAHM TAKE S R PENSION AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE U DRIVE THROUGH RED-LIGHTS TO PROTECT.
EVEN ASK UR SELF DO U STATE IN PUBLIC WHEN UR ON UR OFF TIME THAT U R A POLICE OFFICER.
Ok we all know how bad the Cook County Judicial system is and that we need more Judges that have pro police and law (not ones that interpret the law HOW THEY want to) views. But more importantly have common sense. The 2012 primary elections are up coming and for those that are interested that are CPD or are Law Enforcement now is the time to start planning to run for Cook County Judge. It is foolish to think that it can change overnight but having Law Enforcement on the bench is a big start. New rules have gone into effect for those running for Judge and it will be making things a little harder and costlier for everyone running. But that doesn’t mean one should not make attempts. For those who are interested in running for Cook County Judge can contact me at:
CPDfor2011@yahoo.com
The second issue is to make an attempt to change the 60% for retention Judges. Unfortunately 60% is in the State Constitution and a Citizen State Referendum is needed to change that. The only problem is that over 298,000 signatures are needed to get placed onto the ballot. Now I recall that SCC was a big part in getting things together for a petition drive to reduce the Alderman to 25. Now with the help of some others organizations and State FOP lodge this can work. I would suggest making retention Judges at 70% and that would help clear out a lot of these goofy judges and not make it a lifetime appointment. A little more research must be done but I believe that the referendum can be placed onto the primary election but if not I know that signatures can be gathered 6 months prior to the general election. Of course over 298,000 signatures will be needed as I am sure they will be challenged.
We shoot shithead, it is called deadly force. They shoot us, and all of the sudden no one in a jury or the ASA's office knows if it is attempted murder? We need a clean sweep of the criminal judicial system in CC, because it is a sad sad joke.
But shooting a man in the back who is running AWAY from you?
..........and chasing your drug dealing pal.
And I weep for stupid people that can't spell "weep."
7/01/2011 07:59:00 AM
crocodile tears, no doubt.
Alderman Burke very influential in determining the candidates for judges for years and years. Do you think any deals were made for Anne Burke to ascend to the Illinois Supreme Court so quickly?
From a retired dinosaur:
This is what happens when the liberal mass media is allowed, without outcry from the police unions or police administration, to continually print that every shooting victim is an honor student or choir boy; when every police officer is castigated in the press for using appropriate force when in the performance of their duties.
This is also what happens when attacks or crimes against police continue without police response - i.e. when a cop gets injured by a criminal in a district, the entire district goes on a rampage of tickets and stops until the offender is in custody. If a ccop gets killed, the city goes on a rampage, etc.
Police are an orange target on a green field. Police don't have any backup, we only have each other.
St. Micheal, protect us.
“struggling” with whether “shooting a gun at someone means intent to kill.”
I know it's popular here to say that everything bad is "the libs" but this verdict really is just...stupid people. I'd bet money that some of those jurors voted Repub last election. Stupid is everywhere. Stupid is what is killing us.
Stop acting like the defendant in this case won. He was convicted of shooting a police officer and will face a sentence between 15 and 60 years at 85%. He was convicted even though no one saw him shoot; he was excluded from the mixture of DNA on the gun that was used to shoot Pat Johnson; and virtually every witness who testified was impeached in some way.
If you didn't know these facts, its probably because you didn't talk to anyone present at the trial. Every right thinking American should be upset when a gangbanger gets away with shooting a cop. But in this case, lets wait until the jagoff is sentenced before we consider this a win for the gangbangers.
Let's hope the judge gives him the maximum and we can ask him if he feels like a winner when he gets out of prison around 2062.
Joyce sucks. I had him on murder trial before and he found the jagoff not guilty based on the victim not remembering some pre-pubesent mustache.
7/01/2011 11:03:00 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't the victim of murder be dead and therefore unable to remember the mustache.
everyone who is bitching here needs to realize that they are lucky they even found selvie guilty on any charges. This entire case had tons of holes in it especially the witnesses. he will get a pretty good sentence still... if you knew how weak the case was you would be suprised that there was a conviction. bye bye bobby you piece of garbage... enjoy your time in the joint with your brother.
Yeah. Sorry, I meant witness.
To all you young studs: Just think the next time your all blocking the street after a call jackassing back and forth talking shit about what you said and did the citizen you are blocking from getting down the street may be on YOUR jury
Who is the JUDGE that allowed this to happen in his/her court room?
Judge Joyce is a good man and a level-headed, fair Judge. A former SA Supervisor and briefly a defense attorney before he came to the bench.
He can only preside over the trial and instruct the jury on the law. He can't force them to have common sense.
Welcome to Cook County Juries. These are the same people who brought you Blago and Quinn, Daley and Emanuel.
"Joyce sucks. I had him on murder trial before and he found the jagoff not guilty based on the victim not remembering some pre-pubesent mustache."
Hey Sparky, Get a Clue. THis POS knew his only chance was to avoid the Common-sense Judge by chossing to have his case decided by a Cook County Jury--the same people who have been electing Democrats since time immemorial.
Judge Joyce could only referee this one. He couldn't think and vote for the jury too.
When a single finger gets the ID wrong, it's going to be very tough to get a Murder conviction. (your case). (I suspect you meant a witness and not the murder victim)
Amen 7:48:00.
Yes, It should have been Att Murder, but it's a conviction for the shooting in a close case. I was afraid when the jury heard the word "excluded" in the DNA results, the CSI effect would overtake them and all would be lost.
The ASAs did a good job to focus the jury on all the evidentiary ties to the defendant.
Let's hope the Judge gives him what he deserves.
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