A Simple Fix
An interesting comment:
- "Triangle of Death"
It has been speculated that the street gangs in California are training their members to shoot law enforcement officers at night by aiming for the highly visible patch of white t-shirt exposed above the top of officers’ vests and uniform shirts. Commander Michael Richards of the Mundelein Illinois Police Department decided to test the theory with an experiment.
Commander Richards took six officers from his department deemed as “average” shooters and ran them through a quick 18 round low light course. A 6 ft tall mannequin target wearing a blue uniformed shirt with a white sheet of paper behind it to replicate a white t-shirt was positioned approximately 10 feet from the firing line. The officers were to step to the left or right and draw and fire three rounds as fast as possible. The “t-shirt” was changed for each officer to track the hits.
More than 80% of the rounds shot by all of the officers hit in or immediately around the exposed t-shirt despite the fact the officers used in the experiment are trained to shoot center mass. It is believed that the officers overrode their training and focused their shots on what was most visible. All of the officers in the study confirmed after the end of the exercise that the patch of white had drawn their aim.
Research from the Force Science Research Center at Minnesota State University-Mankato has shown that people in stressful situations scan a scene quickly and grasp at little pieces of information. The process is automatic and almost instinctive. People will gravitate to a particular item that has caught their attention such as a body part, piece of clothing, or movement. In a shooting situation, people will shoot at what they can see; this is exacerbated in low light situations. Depending on the amount of time one has to process the situation, it is believed that shooters will shoot at whatever is most noticeable. With more time, a shooter will be able to draw conclusions from what he sees and use that information as a guide. For example, the contrast between an officer’s undershirt and uniform shirt will initially draw the focus of the shooter. With more time, he will be able to identify what he is looking at and use it as references to shoot below it. This concept is not limited to white undershirts, but also includes patches, badges, flashlights, and even skin tone.
Based on his experiment, Commander Richards now urges all of his officers to wear dark undershirts under their uniforms. This seems like a relatively easy uniform change that could have a significant impact on officer safety and in the most unfortunate of circumstances, save a life.
Gee, buy some darker colored T-shirts for a couple of bucks or make everyone who spent a few hundred non-refundable bucks on vest covers and embroidered patches eat the money.
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posted by SCC at 6:31 AM
116 Comments:
This suggestion was brought to the uniform committee months ago and was immediately shot down faster than an ASA denying an agg batt to PO charge.
My dept issued navy underarmor t-shirts last month. No more white triangle of death for us.
Are all of Commander Richards' officers african american?
Because now that the white officers are wearing the black undershirt, the only thing left to shoot at, according to this COCKAMIE THEORY, is the white officer's face!
Sorry, not buying this bull!!
Thanks for posting that SCC
If it makes sense or doesn't make a connected person lots of money, it's not gonna happen.
Da Chicago way.
Some depts wear ties all year around. Thus no visible white t-shirt.
OT: Found an unusual email in my spam box this morning purporting to be a traffic ticket from a New York Police agency. and looked up some info on it, here's what http://urbanlegends.about.com
had to say about it: "Subject: UNIFORM TRAFFIC TICKET
Netlore Archive: Email spam purports to deliver a New York State Police speeding ticket to recipients, but in fact the attached sip file contains a virus.
Description: Spam / Probable malware attack
Circulating since: July 2011
Status: Attached file may contain a virus
Example:
Email text contributed by Pam W., July 5, 2011:
From: Police agency
Subject: UNIFORM TRAFFIC TICKET
Attachment: Ticket.zip - 12k
New York State - Department of Motor Vehicles
UNIFORM TRAFFIC TICKET
POLICE AGENCY
NEW YORK STATE POLICE
Local Police Code
THE PERSON DESCRIBED ABOVE IS CHARGED AS FOLLOWS
Time Date of Offense IN VIOLATION OF
7:25 AM 07/02/2011 NYS V AND T LAW
Description of Violation
SPEED OVER 55 ZONE
TO PLEAD, PRINT OUT THE ENCLOSED TICKET AND SEND IT TO TOWN COURT, CHATAM HALL., PO BOX 117
Analysis: The above message was spammed across the U.S. by person(s) unknown on July 5, 2011. It did not originate from the New York State Police, which issued an alert the same day warning recipients not to open the attached zip file, which is believed to contain a computer virus. Because of the potential for a malware attack, the agency requests that recipients not forward copies of the message to police or anyone else.
I've been shooting in competition for years and have seen this same phenomenon. If you take a blank target, such as those used in IPSC and draw something on it, anything like a necktie, a circle or even a star, shooters will focus on this item and the shots will be grouped on/near the item you've drawn.
It gives the shooter an aimpoint
rb
Learned this in the military been wearing a black tshirt for 11 years
Don't know that I knew anything about this, but for my entire career, I always wore V-neck T-shirts that were not visible under the uniform. Since I never got shot, maybe he's got something there!
More stupidity looks at mac cannot move any of the over bloated clouted exempts even 1 who lied on a Resume for the job in Buck-Eye Arizona,and the other from 007 who walked out of compstat meeting to show macdaddy who was boss and obviously it was not gary! Smoke and mirrors boss? No more bullshit the vest covers are great leave it alone,who is advising you? Cannot be the real street coppers!
This study is flawed for a few reasons:
First, The cop running this 'test' does not appear to understand how to recognize and control all of the variable. This makes the 'test' anecdotal and not scientific. The difference, basically, is that these results are a logical assumption based upon observation rather than a known fact.
Second, an uncontrolled variable is officer training. His test subject are police officers, professionals trained to aim and fire - with proper trigger squeeze and recoil control - at center mass. Thus trained and focused, the eye easily picks up the approximate 5in by 4in contrasting triangle perpendicular to their sight picture. This makes finding and focusing on the triangle quick and reflexive.
Third, the conditions presented do not replicate field conditions, where shooter and victim are both likely to be in motion and under stress, affecting control and focus.
Fourth, shooter motivation is assumed to be equal between cop on the range shooting at a target and gangster on the street shooting at police. Given the extraordinary differences between groups, one cannot assume equal motivation. The biggest difference being that one group is trained and firing at lifeless targets in front of their bosses, who have a reasonable expectation that the officers can shoot well. The trained officers have the single stress of this expectation, and are motivated to perform superbly for their superiors. The gangster is untrained and firing at a living person, who happens to also be the police. The untrained gangster experiences the stresses of firing at a) a living person and b) the police. Their motivation is likely escape and evasion.
When taken in total, "This study indicates that in a small group of trained police officers, the area of contrast at the top of the shirt is likely to be a focus of aim under static shooting conditions. It is assumed that this region will be of similar focus of aim for offenders under similar circumstances." Notice the word "indicates" and not "proves" or even "shows." That is because this is a logical conclusion based on observation but not a proven fact.
Furthermore, their should be a final section to this study indicating areas for further testing or ways to improve/expand the test for further study. These should include performing the testing after some form of stress (physical exertion to elevate the HR and mimic stress response) as well as replication field conditions, including firing at a moving target, firing on the move, firing from cover, or a combination of the three. Also, it should be suggested that part of interviewing actual persons who shoot at the police be questions that ask shooter motivation and aim.
Finally, the 'point' of this test is that the shooter is drawn to the contrast between dark shirt and light undershirt. If we followed this thinking to our vest carriers, than the conclusion would be that police shooters are drawn to the light area of shirt collar above the vest carrier. This is the correct correlation between black vest carriers/blue shirts and dark shirts/light undershirts. But the Supe's point is that offenders are shooting at the head instead of the vest. If the presented study validated this, than the study would show offenders shooting at the head, not the white undershirt. So this study is all together incorrect to use for making the Supe's argument.
Keep the black vest cover, go with navy uniform shirts, and black tees. I'm sure 97% of the uniform wearing coppers wouldn't mind buying new shirts vs losing the option of wearing body armor outside.
@6:58 do you have any reading comprehension? Geez. Low light. They wear dark uniforms. Its the most visible part they were shooting at. Im sure you have the motivation to do your own experiment though, right?
This change to dark t shirts was made well over a year ago at the UCPD. Of course, all UCPD officers then donated their white t shirts to 1st Deputy John Doty.
With alllllll the problems that this department has... The fucking goof is worried about vest covers???? WOW.
Geez. Come on guys. Are you going to wait for some sort of uniform allowance or G.O change or buy a pack of dark colored t-shirts at Wally World or K Mart now?
OT
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Ok, so here is my two cents. This is fucking retarded. Honestly its not like everyone in the world knows we wear vests. WTF. I feel extremely bad for the two guys from eleven, but let's call it what it is. That piece of shit got lucky with his shots. There is no fucking question about it. There is no freaking way any of us would be able to duplicate that bullshit if we tried. Not making light of the situation whatsoever but that asshole got lucky and that's all there is to it. Every other time the coppers blast his sorry ass. Moving and shooting is hard as it is, let alone for some piece of shit holding his gun sideways and running away like a bitch. I'm sorry I will not change what I wear under or on top of my vest. Speedy recovery guys and we can all hope that fuck dies a slow and painful death.
P.S.
Hey Supt. McStupid, how about you stop fucking with the troops in the trenches and get rid of some of these assholes making six figures and all kinds of uniform changes. The last time most of em wore a vest leather was still in fashion. I wouldn't follow half of em through a McDonald's drive through let alone any kind of real incident. Look out for one another boys and girls cause that's all got. Fuck you, fuck you very much boss.
Black Sharpie pens are great for darkening white patches and badges and such. Cheap, easily available, easy to use (is this sounding like crack?) and permanent (OK, no).
Knowing this now, are YOU going to wear a white t shirt tonight?
There is a G.O. that protects your safety, but how would our average Captain handle all "their" troops not wearing the correct t shirt at roll call inspection?
But then my cousin who owns the shop selling the vest covers and patches won't make and money. Stupid idea.
This is nothing new while on vacation in Mexico I was speaking to a federal whom unfortunately the Mexican government gives an extensive amount of training to their academy is like boot camp and law enforcement tactics for a year and a half, they wear black uniforms with black undershirts and dark gray nametags and stars embroiderd on their uniforms at night for the same reason, he stated that during traffic stops at night if they had to run for cover in the desert the reflection on their nametags and stars caused by their lightbars would easily give their location away hence the dark uniforms.
We can turn anything into a racial thing. Thanks 06:58:00 You are brilliant !!!!
7/24/2011 08:41:00 PM
I have a 7 year old vest, and my retired fathers 25 year old vest. I drank the Kool Aid and went out and bought a new vest spending close to 800. So I was wondering, what to do with the old vests, I took them to an outdoor range I frequent in the Free State of Indiana, hung them on the target carrier, shot them with my 9mm, 45 ACP, .380, a .22, a 5.7 all from 21'. Guess how many penetrated? None. So I figured what the hell and placed them on a 100 yard target and figured I whack them with something a little more powerful, .223, and .308 they both penetrated. MY father worked the streets his whole life using the same vest, and I am gonna finish my carrier with the vest I recently purchased. How does cloth expire? Kevlar is a type of cloth right? Only an idiot would put the actual armor plates in the washer and dryer (which destroys fabrics). There are bigger problems out there than uniforms. Do I think the ball cap is goofy looking? Yes but I wear it because it keeps the sun out of my eyes. How about we face problems like the shitty equipment the department has, like the Tahoe, aging Crown Vics, unmarked cars with no visible emergency equipment (wig wags and front strobes aren't enough), dog ass coppers not being disciplined, "special" coppers that get away with murder and come and go as they please, the possibility of no pension, manpower shortage, the loss of the ability to be the police, coppers not being disciplined for acts of cowardice, dreadlocks (God knows if my ass showed up with Metallica hair I'd get written), supervisors with balls, addressing those without balls, dumping every current command staff asshole replacing them with new ones, totally revamping the "merit" program (where things that you actually did in your career actually warrant the Merit like the military). There are a lot of bigger issues I see out there boys and girls. Vest covers and hats are the least of them.
Half of the POs white undershirts are so old and stained they look yellow or grey. If nothing else the navy t-shirts will hide the stains from slobs. We wear dark turtlenecks in the winter, why not in the summer too?
wear a v neck t shirt
I say we wear Ninja outfits.
My department uses a white 8 1/2 of square white paper taped on center mass to assist officers in improving shot pattern, usually at 15 yards. This aid has proven successful. In fairness to 0658's post, we have never tried this in any type of combat shooting drills, but I would not totally discount Commander Richards' theory.
I say we follow the Mayberry police department's mode of operation and close after sun down.
The NIJ (National Institute of Justice) has for years decreed that all local LE be dressed in dark blue shirts and trousers.
Roughly 90% of the local LE in the US wears dark blue, like LAPD or NYPD.
Part of the reason NYPD went to their dark blue back in the mid-90s. Part of their reasoning is police in other nations all wear the same color uniforms and the NIJ states this will cut down on confusion.
Sounds good to me, but Rhammie doesn't want to pay for 12,000 short sleeve and 12,000 long sleeve shirts. Same as they don't want to buy 12,000 Glocks, 12,000 jackets, 12,000 vests, etc.
Or, just let us sit in the car and scribble BS paperwork all day... wait, they already tried that..and its failing... MISERABLY...
Authorize light blue under shits. I'm sure the uniform companys can find a good color match to our shirts.
I tried to wear darker undershirts to work and got chewed out by my bosses in 023. Is it in r rules & regs that it has to b white undershirts? I was trying to wear a dark colored under armor shirt and they were having none of it!
Who are these people and where do they come from??? Triangle of death... I have been on this job almost 20 years and I have never heard something so fucking stupid in all of my career... Like the shitheads actually aim at you and they are "highly" trained?? Half the time they are lucky to have a $100 gun that works and maybe a full clip... And now someone is telling us tales of this triangle of death... Come on guys we are professionals... I'd rather hear lil red riding hood before I go to bed.. Gogo
Firearms instruction in the ghetto comes from music videos; proper technique is a pistol in each hand held sideways (grip parallel to the ground).
Shooter is to wear dark sunglasses, especially at night, and is to mouth ominous, rhyming threats and nonsense words.
The weapons are to be discharged at anything and everything as bikini-clad girls gyrate and $100 bills swirl in the air as the perpetrator's Bell Jet Ranger takes off.
Got that?
Thank you, BET/MTV/etc.
Are all of Commander Richards' officers african american?
Because now that the white officers are wearing the black undershirt, the only thing left to shoot at, according to this COCKAMIE THEORY, is the white officer's face!
Actually there's a lot of truth to it. The feds have been trying to get police agencies to transition to darker uniforms due to this reason. Skin does not reflect light it absorbs light due to vitamin D and melatonin which WE all have. Regardless of skin tone ALL skin types absorbs the sun rays spectrum. Lighter clothing material does reflect while darker absorbs it. Learned that in basic physics class in high school.
I'm a retired LEO in Ca. What yoou reported is true here. Our dept started wearing black UA under body armor several years ago.
So what? George, aka rahms ass taster does not like the outter vest covers, wear it underneath your shirt and shut up Officer, go get me a bus check, a few parkers and a mover otherwise a late car and no time due, jagoff's.
I'm glad our bosses treat us fairly and like adults. FU CPD merit management
The theory make sense, so obviously CPD will have us continue to wear white t shirts.
mccarty doesn't like outter vest covers... lets have him work in the getto even for 1 summer period and use his duty belt to while tossing hand's with a "Dude" George, we know you are "curious" but what works works and what helps Officers can and does make the difference. Leave it alone and focus upon hiring practices as well as promotional and be a fountain not a drain. Your better than that.
forget the vest cover nonsense how about the Officers with the dreadlocks and long dirty hair? You like that george?
Why stop with the undershirt change?
I'm gonna start dressing in costume, maybe one of those over-sized Subway sandwiches, BUT instead of a sandwich, I'll run around the ghetto dressed as a job application or a library book.
That will confuse the shit out the these shitheads as they have never seen either a job application OR a library book-- they won't know what to shoot at or what I am
Let's not forget the sgts who are riding around 1099 at midnight wearing a black vest and white collared shirt sticking out over the vest
Sure does make them an easy target
Notice I did not mention a field Lt, they went the way of the dinosaur
McNuts: Next time you go on camera, put a tie on or a nice shirt. Have some respect for you, we are paying you a pretty penny. Also when you see the boys/girls in blue its okay to say hello, don't be a savage.. atleast jodi would say hi...Where is Phil Cline...???
OT - Anybody noticed that picking up evidence at ERPS has become more trouble than it's worth?
IE: Uniform POs forced to surrender their CPD IDs [not just present it] which is then held until they are eventually released from the double locked door, leading from the counter room where they are held hostage. What about a fire or if an armed offender walks up to the second floor after entering through the unlocked door on Homan?
When I mentioned this to the ill-mannered midget F/2 working the "service counter" [now that's an oxymoron], she snapped and took 45 minutes to retrive the bag with the inventoried worthless documents needed for court.
Somebody, maybe a Boss with a brain [Oh, sorry, I forgot] should look into this before somebody gets dead, caught in this death trap.
Maybe they could also check if this 3rd watch F/2 has her rabies tag up to date. Thanks
all bullshit.. They will just shoot at anything and aim for dead center of whatever they see, which means a human body. . They , unlike us, are not responsible for their fired shots, and will empty n entire magazine of ammo at you in a heartbeat. . Show us a study of how many Cops have been shot, and wounded and killed wearing light colored uniformed shirts vs. dark. I'd venture to say there wouldn't be much difference.
Quit wasting money on experiments full of conjecture and various "experts" theories, and spend the money instead of hiring some Police Officers, even if only part-time.. Train all officers to shoot at moving targets. Shooting CPD qualification style, at stationary targets will get you killed, and it's all because of CPD/City Cheapness. They have money to piss away for all bullshit Liberal/socialist causes, but not any to properly train their officers, and will pass officers who obviously can't handle or shoot their duty weapon correctly, due to pressure from the Politically-Correct Administration.
im a suburban po and we wear dark navy shirts and bdus with navy blue or black t-shirts underneath...we also wear dark navy or black outer vest covers and sometimes in the dark you cant tell wear the uniform starts and vest cover ends...maybe the whole CPD should wear the ET bdu uniforms that would solve the color disparity right there...and guys would still be comfortable with the outer vest cover...alot of bullshit about the uniform from exempts who probably havent worn vests in years...
Stop your whining already....I've been wearing my vest over my WHITE t-shirt, under my blue uniform shirt for 20 years and I survived every HOT summer in shitty districts. Just be happy you have a freakin' job instead of whining about everything! Why is everyone always so shocked when something changes? If you have any time at all on this job you should already know that the CPD/City of Chicago can make up new rules and change the current rules as they see fit.
We're assuming that the shitheads can shoot straight here.
Simple and cheap solution would be wearing V-Neck" undershirts or a light blue, medium blue tshirt to match our present color uniform shirts but unless there's a change in the General Orders you can forget about it. Beside that, regular t-shirts stretch out too much and lose their bright colors after a few washings.
And to all those that commented about switching to LAPD or NYPD "black" colored shirts. They are NOT black. They are Dark Navy or "LAPD Navy"
Heh, heh. And you thought Jody was bad...
Yes, this is true and also they are going to start checking vests for expiration dates,if your vest is older then 5 years old, your going to get dinged. At the comstat meeting,one of the commanders was asked why his unit's arrest numbers were so much lower then the others and his reply to the Supt was none of the P.O.'s want to do work in his district because they have expired vests. Now the supt want vest inspections.
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RELAX.it's not as it sounds!!!
I was at the meeting. This was a topic at the last meeting. YES a certain Commander used this as a possible excuse. But everyone in the room including the Superintendent knew that he was grasping for something to save him.
The superintendent is only concerned about officer safety, and the fact that some officers have their original vest that was issued to them from the academy some 20+ years old is ridiculous! The vest will start to deteriorate and will be less effective.
At this point it's only a discussion. The Superintendent wants a idea of how old the average officers vest is beyond the manufactures recommendation of use.
The range will be tasked with conducting the inspection at each officers yearly qualification. There will be no consequences at this time.
But remember Officers you all know that you get a uniform allowance, and the vest would fall under that.
this rumor has been flying around for a few weeks. can anyone confirm. i need a new vest just not sure which company. too many options.
OT... The city has money to spend on "protected" bike lanes but cant hire police officers... The latest per Chgo Breaking News states new bike lane on Jackson from Damen to Halsted cost of $140,000. Thats 12 blocks of paint and pvc poles which constitute a "protected" bike lane.. That comes out to $11,666 per block... For paint and plastic tubes that drunks willrun down whenever they feel like it. Smart! This by the way is project #2 at a similar cost as project #1 which was done on Kinzie... So... $200-240,000 on a bike lane and we need police officers?? I guess some things just dont matter.. Sgt Gogo
What about nice shiney badges and name tags.
I use my front site and hit wherever I choose.
I thought "Triangle of death" was in reference to my EX..wtf SSC?!!! LIFM
What is happening here? Being treated like children, told what to and what not to do, yelled at like disobedient children, chastised for technologies failure.
Now they want to switch uniforms adjust clocks appearances.....haven't we already spent enough money changing up!
The uniform companies corner the monopoly to charge up to 500% markup ..... Pension issues, contract issues, .... Bad times ahead folks so be safe....and invest wisely ...you'll need it.
Prince Valium
WalMart has black tee shirts, fruit of the loom, for $4.
v neck t shirts
FLAWED TEST!
THE OFFICER ARE ALL TRAINED WITH THEIR WEAPON.
PROBABLY HAVE ALL SPENT MORE THAN A FEW HUNDRED HOURS IN DRILLS.
A TRUE TEST WOULD BE TO GRAB TEENAGERS WHO HAVE NEVER FIRED A WEAPON AND TOLD THEM TO HIT THIS TRIANGLE.
pam zekman stake out police headquarters , command staff members drive in and out all day without their body armour
do as i say not as i do
where's mccarthy to make them wear vests or leave take home car in parking lot
"I took {a 7-year-old and a 25-year-old armor vest] to an outdoor range I frequent in the Free State of Indiana, hung them on the target carrier, shot them with my 9mm, 45 ACP, .380, a .22, a 5.7 all from 21'. Guess how many penetrated? None."
--7/25/2011 10:12:00 AM
You might not get the same result with the vest free-hanging as you would with the vest wrapped on a sandbag, bundle of newspapers, or something like that to to simulate the human body.
Anonymous said...
I tried to wear darker undershirts to work and got chewed out by my bosses in 023. Is it in r rules & regs that it has to b white undershirts? I was trying to wear a dark colored under armor shirt and they were having none of it!
7/25/2011 11:31:00 AM
Yes it is. Look at th euniform order. Exposed undershirts will be white in color.
Know your orders. It can help you stay out of trouble or help prevent you from looking foolish.
Anonymous said...
I've been shooting in competition for years and have seen this same phenomenon. If you take a blank target, such as those used in IPSC and draw something on it, anything like a necktie, a circle or even a star, shooters will focus on this item and the shots will be grouped on/near the item you've drawn.
It gives the shooter an aimpoint
rb
Is the target your shooting at not aimpiont enough???????????? So what your trying to say, is that your target needs a target and that makes a difference?
What if you were to put a taget on your target, and then put a target on that target......now there is your aim point! Shooting A ring all day. The whole theory on all sides is re-DICKulous.
Not a cop and DAMN GOOD SHOT!
"Thats 12 blocks of paint and pvc poles which constitute a "protected" bike lane.. That comes out to $11,666 per block... For paint and plastic tubes that drunks willrun down whenever they feel like it. Smart!... Sgt Gogo"
--7/25/2011 02:56:00 PM
STOP IT!
I ride a bicycle a lot. PLEASE do not put any more crap in the street for me to hit!
Even those "paint" lines are dangerous; they can be 1/2" high, and are not so much "paint" as an extremely thick material that is melted into place by a burner. They are rounded at the top, SLIPPERY WHEN WET and are often placed EXACTLY where you want to ride!
God damn this little Emanuel prick; currying favor from the trendy Green Party-voter "bicycle establishment" by imitating Mayor Daley.
Even worse is the idea of having to ride between a line of parked cars and the curb -- mugger trap, idiot-wrong-way-bicyclist-target, no escape, unspeakably stupid.
HELP!
SPEND THE MONEY ON FIXING THE POTHOLES INSTEAD!
You cannot elect people like this, pay them a huge salary to do stupid things, and then spend all your time fighting them. You will die of exhaustion and they will still get their way. The only solution is to get them out of office.
The same goes for that "60 to 80 high-definition cameras in each of 14 'high-risk' schools." Kids raised as wild animals are the problem. Taking home movies of them won't help.
Damn.
Screw the committees, what does Director Goldstein have to say about it. He has a copy of Guns and Ammo, so he must have an objective opinion.
I heard this same stuff many years ago and always wore V-neck shirts ever since. I wear a white uniform shirt and would love to switch to a navy blue or black shirt since I work first watch.
Most times when police are hit it is the luck of the shooter but I have also known that many gangbanger practice dry firing in front of a mirror. The Academy is open for practice on all three watches so make use of it.
Stay safe, and practice, practice and practice
can someone please out the fuking commander that is causing everyone to have their vest inspected for expiration dates. "range guy confirmed"
I'm gone in a few years, if I have to get a new vest im gonna be pissed.
Rocket science!
I've been shooting in competition for years and have seen this same phenomenon. If you take a blank target, such as those used in IPSC and draw something on it, anything like a necktie, a circle or even a star, shooters will focus on this item and the shots will be grouped on/near the item you've drawn.
It gives the shooter an aimpoint
rb
7/25/2011 07:34:00 AM
Glad the offenders are so fond of gold teefesses, gold chains and hats.
Will my pale skinned white face draw attention? Should I rub black shoe polish on my face? Oops. Can't do that either. I'm just going full ninja, and wear a black hood.
vest issue is a non-issue. what is really gonna happen is some moving around of commanders. people that helped ot during election have waited long enough for pay back, so it's time to move some people. Sup will act like he used to this to evaluate what he was dealt, and now he will move people where their skills best serve the people and department. First course of actioon will be two northside commanders will move to administrative positions because the communities don't even know they are the commanders. They will be moved to positions were they're administrative expertise can be used in analytical capacities. They will be replaced with one commander who's job is gonna be consolidated with another section. The other will be a rising star with fresh crime fighting strategies.
Wear a dark T-shirt and sew a white triangle in the middle of the Level IV.
>clang<
Seriously, the research and experiments make good sense.
It's just that the people on the street don't.
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Just got back from a weekend visit to my hometown of Cincinnati. The coppers there have worn solid white shirts and white hats as long as I can remember.
How goofy will it look when I wear my outer vest cover under my shirt.
:) New L00K!
where do u people live at the planet of the unknown what else are you going to come up with , so if an officers bent over and u see a crack can someone aim for that too what the fk
I'm a suburban officer (19 yrs), and I have to agree with Big Mac on this one. I think the black outer cover is "Bush League". You still have to wear the vest regardless if its underneath...whay's the difference. Along with the baseball caps, you guys look like you should be working at a Lube Masters. For what it's worth...
Chicago Breaking News headline:
"Cops: Man arrested after throwing baby at officers"
It is believed that he threw the baby at the officers' heads after noticing their outside vest covers........
Actually there's a lot of truth to it. The feds have been trying to get police agencies to transition to darker uniforms due to this reason. Skin does not reflect light it absorbs light due to vitamin D and melatonin which WE all have. Regardless of skin tone ALL skin types absorbs the sun rays spectrum. Lighter clothing material does reflect while darker absorbs it. Learned that in basic physics class in high school.
7/25/2011 12:08:00 PM
Are you sure you didn't learn that in Home Ec?
I say we all wear clown suits. Best UC wear from what I hear!!!!!!!!!!
I'm gonna start dressing in costume, maybe one of those over-sized Subway sandwiches, BUT instead of a sandwich, I'll run around the ghetto dressed as a job application or a library book.
That will confuse the shit out the these shitheads as they have never seen either a job application OR a library book-- they won't know what to shoot at or what I am
7/25/2011 12:51:00 PM
Thanks. I almost gave myself the hiccups!
Anonymous said...
I use my front site and hit wherever I choose.
7/25/2011 03:26:00 PM
I added this site to my 'favorites' list so I can hit it whenever I choose.
I have done this job for 20 years. I have ALWAYS given 110% no matter a persons race, sex or sexual orientation. The current poltical structure in this city,state and country make it IMPOSSIBLE to do my job. I HATE coming in to work for a shaky W/C who is scared of his own shadow. I HATE the fact that NO Sgt wants to do what he is payed for. The thing that makes me sickest is a TRAINWRECK of a culture, that is pandered to and rewarded for a victimized mentality ensuring its growth as a societal cancer. I am done and it's just plain sad. I'd give the shirt off my back to a stranger but in this society he'd sue me for having the wrong size.
Can we please have a vote already on the new name for the Superintendent, While I appreciate all the humorous labels, this moron needs a name that sticks. Based on his idiotic decision making thus far since he has held his position as Superintendent,He has shown evidence that he lacks a brain or is minute in size. Based on his nugget size brain I nominate the name of Mcnugget for our harebrained leader. SCC please take nominations and let's put it to vote.
"Along with the baseball caps, you guys look like you should be working at a Lube Masters."
I believe thats a Bar on North Halsted catering to an all male crowd, frequented by Suburban police Officers...
It seems to me that the solution which would benefit everybody the most, the safest and most effective option, would be for the department to "first issue" four dark navy shirts, two long sleeve and two short. Lieutenant and above can keep white shirts.
I wore a white t shirt under my short sleeve shirt and outer vest at the Taste.. Being slight of build.. I was chewed out miserably by one of the exempts who said i was showing a 1/4 of an inch of WHITE on my sleeves and i was to be written up for that.
People it isn't all about the looks.... Those Officers that are still working FULL DUTY that are injured like the fact that they can lighten the load on their duty rig and put the radio, flashlight, extra mags, paperwork, an extra gun stuffed INSIDE of the outside vest, etc etc etc.............
We are not out here to look PERFECT... WE are out there to do the job. Chicago has a different way of policing, because we have a different savage that most have not met yet. Yes we hear the same circus different clowns, but not hardly. CPD has been DE-Balled.... What we need is being un-neutered, un-spayed, and lets see those shootings go down. STREET credibility the way it was back when i was trained is what made this department great.
Please stop with the stupid uniform changes..... I have heard from so many about this issue that it has become an ISSUE, when it shouldn't be! There are a myriad of reasons why. Take ALL of them into consideration. This should be a NON ISSUE.
The main issue is HIRING MORE COPPERS.
end of rant!
HATER said...
FLAWED TEST!
THE OFFICER ARE ALL TRAINED WITH THEIR WEAPON.
PROBABLY HAVE ALL SPENT MORE THAN A FEW HUNDRED HOURS IN DRILLS.
A TRUE TEST WOULD BE TO GRAB TEENAGERS WHO HAVE NEVER FIRED A WEAPON AND TOLD THEM TO HIT THIS TRIANGLE.
7/25/2011 05:10:00 PM
It would be hard to find a teen in the ghetto who never fired a weapon. Did you ever see the photo albums of some of these gang familys. Posing infants with their pistols and A-Ks.
How cute is that!
Why don't CPD just approve a t-shirt with the patches on it- that'll keep us cool in the summer time
OT city of chicago should require a $50. bicycle license for bicycles using the bike lanes
tickets should be issued for bikes without front and rear lights
can someone please out the fuking commander that is causing everyone to have their vest inspected for expiration dates. "range guy confirmed"
I'm gone in a few years, if I have to get a new vest im gonna be pissed.
7/25/2011 06:21:00 PM
And, what, your last thoughts are going to be, "Damn, I wish I'd invested a couple hundred bucks in my LIFE"?
Don't be a putz. Buy a new vest and live a few extra decades.
I'm a suburban officer (19 yrs), and I have to agree with Big Mac on this one. I think the black outer cover is "Bush League". You still have to wear the vest regardless if its underneath...whay's the difference. Along with the baseball caps, you guys look like you should be working at a Lube Masters. For what it's worth...
7/25/2011 08:17:00 PM
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Don't open up the "suburban policing vs. city policing" argument... It is a whole different animal we're dealing with here.
I'd give the shirt off my back to a stranger but in this society he'd sue me for having the wrong size.
7/25/2011 09:32:00 PM
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Very sad, but eloquent, observation.
"I have a 7 year old vest, and my retired fathers 25 year old vest. I drank the Kool Aid and went out and bought a new vest spending close to 800."
The body armor industry pretty much settled on the arbitrary five year expiration, but as you found out, five years in itself means nothing.
There are several variables such as how the vest was stored (like in a hot car trunk v. in a location where humans are comfortable), how the arnor was "cleaned" (your example of a washing/dryer was great!), how the armor was allowed to dry (hanging, in a ball at the bottom of a locker or out in the sunlight), whether or not the water-resistant cover was compromised (allowing sweat to seep in and possibly allowing microbes to attack the fabric) and the actual composition of the armor (Kevlar, Zylon, etc.)
No, the fabric doesn't expire per se, but it can become weak over time.
The nice thing about buying new armor every few years is that it becomes lighter and thinner, but offers the same/increased protection each time I make that purchase.
rb
"Sounds good to me, but Rhammie doesn't want to pay for 12,000 short sleeve and 12,000 long sleeve shirts."
The solution here is simple; have a wear-out date or just grandfather the previous uniform generation in.
I came on in 1991. We had revolvers and those shiny mid-length coats and the Eisenhower-type short jacket.
There have been at least two different jackets that recruits had to buy since then.
"Firearms instruction in the ghetto comes from music videos"
And prison. Take a look at PoliceOne.com to see training that CPD doesn't think is important.
It's free, excpet for your time.
For $40.00 you can join the ITOA. You get a quarterly magazine and access to national experts that offer information way beyond what CPD offers (or thinks is important). www.itoa.org.
There's a whole lot more going on in law enforcement than Streaming Video.
"What about a fire or if an armed offender walks up to the second floor"
Jump over the counter, into the ERPS area...you really weren't gonna just sit there, were you?
"Why is everyone always so shocked when something changes?"
It's not shock, it's aggravation.
They "change" things and call it "progress."
You of all people know that they change things back and forth constantly, without thinking.
Hell, the last guy just refined the outer vest cover, now a new clown takes over the circus and talks as if he wants to eliminate the thing we just got refined.
Besides, usually they're changing something that has no real bearing on the job; they just wnat to leave their mark. Kind of like a dog peeing on a hydrant.
As far as the "be glad you got a job" talk goes, Is that all you have to hang your hat on?
Be glad I've got a job?
Bitch, please.
"LAPD Navy"
Damn, I knew they have like the fourth largest air force in the world, but they gots a navy, too???
"Is the target your shooting at not aimpiont enough???????????? So what your trying to say, is that your target needs a target and that makes a difference?"
Yes, the target itself is enough, but my point was that if there is something that stands out, the shots will be grouped on/near it, if the shooter is at least trying to aim.
rb
"Glad the offenders are so fond of gold teefesses, gold chains and hats."
It works both ways! It gives YOU something to aim at, too!
rb
Good news! I have taken a black blanket and cut out two small round holes which I use to see through and one larger hole for my shooting arm and weapon to go through. Each time I exit my squad I throw this over my head. It is similar to the Snuggie. It has worked great for the past couple of days except for the heat. It does get a bit warm inside but it is a small price to pay for being nearly invisible to offenders. Now if by some miracle an armed offender does notice me he will have no chance at targeting vital areas of my body. Patent is pending and I am presently in negotiations with the Mayor and Supe for an order of 200 to be tested as a pilot program in 007th District.
ok, why not wear a v-neck? problem solved!
The triangle by my neck ain't made by a t-shirt, but danger was never so much fun
"A TRUE TEST WOULD BE TO GRAB TEENAGERS WHO HAVE NEVER FIRED A WEAPON AND TOLD THEM TO HIT THIS TRIANGLE."
--7/25/2011 05:10:00 PM
Hey, we're almost there.
Hand them a weapon, point at the target, and yell "SHOOT THE PO-LICE!"
Now see how many shots are "instinctively" placed in "The White Triangle Of Death," versus how many hit kids playing nearby, an old man sitting on his porch down the block, etc.
Dark uniforms are dark for a reason. Studies show the dark uniform provides command presence and authority. Hats do the same, they draw the person you are speaking to eyes up towards yours. Google it.
5:55 You sir,should run for mayor !!!!!!!!!!
"OT city of chicago should require a $50. bicycle license for bicycles using the bike lanes
tickets should be issued for bikes without front and rear lights"
--7/25/2011 11:45:00 PM
...while people hurl babies at the police and shoot each other over a drop of water from an air conditioner...
This is not Brussels or Geneva -- even if it does have stupid glass bus shelters.
"Besides, usually they're changing something that has no real bearing on the job; they just wnat to leave their mark. Kind of like a dog peeing on a hydrant."
--7/26/2011 01:37:00 AM
Yeah, "he imprinted his style on the Department."
The last Easterner we had was paralyzed in fear by his first Chicago winter, and bought everyone SUVs right away -- 2WD for the troops, and 4WD for himself -- black as night, I can still remember it coming down Milwaukee Avenue, past all the vacant stores, waxed and detailed to the nines and stuffed 4-deep with all dat beef from da gym...
Hard guys.
>sigh<
Keep the uniforms as is. The various options are fine and the baseball caps are better then those out of date crown hats. outside vest carriers are fine to. More important things the "bosses" should be focusing on!!!
I read this report (or a similar one) years ago while visiting the range. Then I have some inspector who called me out on it. I explained the safety issue and the reasoning. His response: "Oh, well. White is the uniform. So wear it." I love how much common sense plays into this department.
Why stop with the undershirt change?
I'm gonna start dressing in costume, maybe one of those over-sized Subway sandwiches, BUT instead of a sandwich, I'll run around the ghetto dressed as a job application or a library book.
That will confuse the shit out the these shitheads as they have never seen either a job application OR a library book-- they won't know what to shoot at or what I am
7/25/2011 12:51:00 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! As fucked as this is, this shit was funny as hell! My stomach hurts. I actually pictured this in my mind and fell out laughing. It's like some shit from Reno 911
Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination.
This is exactly the kind of shit that pisses me off! I've got to buy this shit then waste my hard earned money and deal with the public and worry about what color my T shirt is, I can't take this shit anymore! I am so frustrated with this dept reacting to every fucking thing ,just give us some good advice ,tell us not to wear a white T shirt but don't tell us we can't wear our vest outside cause these gang bangers have superior aim,please give us more credit than that ,don't degrade our intelligence,and don't degrade your own intelligence by advising us to get rid of our black vest....come on now think!
Damn 5:55 you snapped on this one,intelligently put!
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