Black Vest Covers
This has been in the comment section all day long:
- BREAKING NEWS!!!
This just in. . .
Apparently the Superintendent has decided that black vest covers are not a good thing, and is going to restrict them to being worn underneath the shirt.
In his opinion, offenders are aiming for head shots when firing at police because they know the officers are wearing bullet proof vests. He apparently had this ephipeny on the scene of the 011th District shooting this past week.
At the Compstat meeting, he opened the floor to discussion of the matter. It was reported that Cmdr Kennedy nearly jumped out of his seat to agree with McStupid. Once Kennedy broke the ice, a plethera of other exempts also agreed with his finding. The only exempt to disagree (in a nice way) was Leo Schmitz.
The Superintendent then concluded that he will discuss the matter further in committee, but it appeared that his mind was made up. No more wearing of the vests over the shirt. Expect the order to come down shortly.
Interestingly, he didn't even think of the possibility that exterior vest covers help to protect against "friendly fire" against plain clothes officers, in that they are readily identifiable to other officers arriving on the scene.
This would appear to be a "distraction" of some sort, designed to rile up the rank-and-file for no apparent purpose while something else is going on. Continue the ongoing discussion of this alleged event, but also, what's going on in the background?
Labels: dumb ideas, from the comments
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
367 Comments:
Why would he restrict us to wearing the vest covers under our uniform shirts???
Fuck him!!! That is insane and good for Leo not licking the supt balls
This is so poorly thought out it is sad. Outside vest cover or not they already know we are wearing vests. If they aim at the head it is because they want to kill us plain and simple.
ARE WE GOING TO BE REINBURSED FOR THE MONEY WE SPENT ON VEST COVERS,,,, ESPECIALLY THE FANCY NEW ONES WITH THE EXTRA $40 WORTH OF POLICE PATCHES???????????
How about giving us more fire-power if the offenders are shooting at us!
Yea boss under the shirt where in the heat you cannot remove it when your on a break,or open the straps and let more air circulate you want us to get HEAT STROKE YOU STROKE! Please go back where you fucked up NJ?
uhhmm, as if the contrasting color of the blue uniform and the human skin doesn't ?????
also, I wanted to add that having your equipment on the vest cover helps take the weight of the hips, which to some officers help aleviate some of the pain on their hip.
it seems that these morons who don't spend enough time on the streets are making dumbass/half assed decisions...again....
So where did I put that star and name plate? Or am I stiching that patch on my shirt ? Is underware still optional ?
Smells like a straw man argument where one takes up a position and then later backs off to make the opposition feel that their voices have been heard and they won something.
Meanwhile, the main agenda, the real agenda that they really want to push goes thru and the morale lost from not having a voice in the decision making process is thereby minimized
The dept. can buy back my black vest cover, both of them. But, they say police on the front and have the cloth star on the front. I thought it made me much safer, bot in uniform and not.
Chalkie where are you?
Ok, that is fine with me. I will continue to work hard.
is he gonna pay us for our black covers?? gave him the benifit of the doubt with stuff since he was new, but this guy is turning out to be as big of a clown as J-Fed.....
Aiming for the head?
The two cops who were shot in the head are victims of an asshole who got off two "lucky" shots.
He was probably aiming for their chests or just firing wildly in their general direction.
McSup=McStup.
McStupid you are an ass.
This is not NYPD.
Shields, Shields, anyone....
Not a good idea, I'm too close to retiring! I'm not going to buy anymore Police Stuff !!!
I quit.
Well if im not mistaken if they change something midstream they either have to grandfather people in that already spent the money on the old stuff (like a black vest cover with stuff sewn on) or replace it with whatever they now require (like the mag lites when they bought us all new plastic flashlights). Or they well at least have to buy me a bigger shirt since my vest wont fit under it. and you know the city aint spending shit. Maybe Mcsupe should learn the rules before he tries to change them.
He has hated our version of "civilian dress" since he came here. In several meetings he's questioned why we wear jeans with duty belts and outside vest covers. He does have a point. Civilian dress should mean somewhat covert, not an excuse to rock painters pants, your MMA shirt and a backwards hat with your vest cover. Don't forget the tattoos. Lots of visible tattoos.
I'd bet he's going to change tact/civilian dress rules shortly.
Perhpas this was a feeler by Puppethead to gauge which gold stars where suckholes & those capable of original thought. If the black covers have to go under the shirt expect a uniform change prior to the g-8. NYPD changeover coincided w/the Popes visit to NYC.
Hey mr soup shitheads know we wear vest. Even if we wear them under or shirts they know we wear them. Take away our outer vest covers then your taking away extra pockets for equipment paperwork etc. But on the other hand you didn't come here to help us out you have you own plan against our "govt sponsered racism".
shirts rip away in a scuffle, outside vest covers do not. a bigger stronger opponent can throw someone around by the outside vest cover. i never liked them for that reason.
wtf... cant we have something that will make us just a little comfortable while working?????
What's wrong with this guy, really? Hey Sup you want to stop violence against the police, LET US TAKE THE GLOVES OFF,STOP PANDERING TO THE AXIS OF STUPID STORE FRONT REVERENDS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY BACK US UP, shitheads know we were vest, it dosen't matter if its in or out
Yes, this is true and also they are going to start checking vests for expiration dates,if your vest is older then 5 years old, your going to get dinged. At the comstat meeting,one of the commanders was asked why his unit's arrest numbers were so much lower then the others and his reply to the Supt was none of the P.O.'s want to do work in his district because they have expired vests. Now the supt want vest inspections.
its a bad idea.
Unless they change the light blue shirts to navy blue like the e.t.'s wear.
One of the advantages of the black vest cover is the dirt factor. The light blue shirts get dirty easily, we should all wear the navy blue shirts and i will be open to wearing the vest inside of the shirt.
Keep the black vest covers and let us wear the same uniforms as the ET's or K9's.
without vests visible, no one knows how many (or how few) officers are on the street. this move just put imaginary officers on every block. thanks rahm.
Why don't we go to navy blue shirts like the et's and the range instead of the pussy perrywinkle baby blue we are in now. And for all you whiners that will say "its too hot", grow a pair, they wear black in LA year round.
So were going to take away black vests based on his hunch with no statitstical evidence....
Newsflash; bad guys already know police wear bulletproof vests !!!!!!!!
Imagine that another BRILLIANT IDEA coming from the command of this department.
The command staff of this department couldnt find their way out of 35th street,with Wal-Mart greeters on every floor directing them out.
Are you freaking kiddng me ???? !!!! WTF ... really??
shouldn't he be more concerned about manpower shortage citywide???? vest covers keeps us cool for one thing and since when does the vest cover hinder our safety? one man cars should be of more concern McPrick! you're going south really quick. if you want us to like you unlike that last baboon, concentrate on more important issues !!!
So on that line of thinking won't they be more apt to shoot at us when they don't have that second thought that we are armored? These savages are dumb but despite the comment section they are slightly smarter than primates. They will aim wherever they please despite the color of your outer garmet. Does a white officer have a higher chance of taking a head shot than a black one because he is more visible? Time to break out the black face.
just pick one uniform look for everyone. whatever that is.
Kennedy is an incompetent pushead.
Does McGravy think the bad guys are going to the range to practice running with a stolen gun while holding up their their oversized jeans full of dope and honing their skills to shoot a copper in the head?
I guess McMindless heard the Chgo gang leaders got together at a secret meeting and discussed what they could do to circumvent that goddamn black bullet proof vest cover that coppers wear. The gangs must have realized their numbers were down.
Damn, McMisplaced is good...
I believe this is the old 'I didn't know he was the po-leese' issue. From the defense stand point all they have to do is 'think it.' From the police side when it comes to: 'I was afraid for my life' all YOU have to do is 'think it.' You could leave an indentation of your star on his face and he would still say he thought you were going to 'jack' him. This is a non issue except as relates to how they do it in 'New Yohk.' See glossary, attachment 3.
I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. But if you have a guy who is trying to change policy to save and officers life instead of because he doesnt like how the vests look, he should not be knocked. We need a leader who cares about our wellbeing. I dont know if it is this Sup. or not. This would point in that direction.
Do you think supt mcnutty can ask all chicagoans to wear glow in the dark necklaces while outdoors?
It could help us.
Cops are gonna stop wearing vests all together in the summer.
The color of our vests is irrelevant. The bad guys know who we are and shoot anyway !
Really? This guy is making another major mis-step with the rank and file. As a supervisor, if this assinine idea is passed, I WILL NOT write up any officer wearing an outer vest cover.
We've been allowed to wear an outer vest cover for 20 years and now McStupid wants to come in and fuck thing up? These thing are hot as hell and at least with an outer cover, you can loosen it up while in the car.
What about detectives? Are they now supposed to buy their shirts a size larger so they can wear the vest underneath?
Bottom line is, the bad guy is gonna shoot at us regardless of whether we wear the vest underneath the shirt or over it. Just be glad people are wearing them!
Having worked with Chris Kennedy, I'm really surprised at him pandering to the sup like that. I'd expect that from Georgas, but not Kennedy. He must be worried about his spot.
What kind of dumbshit doesn't know poleeces where vests? Come on McStoop.
Until just now, I was in the "let's give the guy a chance." camp. Surrounded by a bunch of synchophants, with no input from the people whom the decision is actually going to effect is not just poor management, but arrogant as well. Good going Superintendant, with one swipe of your pen your going to take away something that made life easier for the patrol officer and make them uncomfortable at the same time. I for one am looking forward to having all of that weight back on my hips again. Again, congradulations on making the life of the average patrol officer just a little bit more miserable.
What a stupid idea. Of course these shit birds know we have vests. Is this what these idots get paid top dollar for... What a joke!!! I just bought a new cover, fuck them....
Compstat = Compost
There is now a jam of exempts stuck up McCarthy's ass in their rush to bleat out "yeah boss, sure boss, that's a great idea boss."
Hey fucking blow me boss, I spent money getting a new vest and several black covers and now what? I have to go buy new shirts to fit a vest underneath? Back to 1989.
Fuck this job. Fuck McCarthy and fuck Emanuel.
I am done done done.
A bunch of sheep are in the exempt ranks. Good luck to the superintendent in finding true leaders remaining in the exempt ranks.
I can't wait to see some of our heavy weights on the wagon with their vest tucked under the shirt.
These days with the mentality of the shitheads on the street it makes no difference where you wear the vest..they will take a head shot. They don't give a fuck about anything. If this is how bright the super is about being shot at we are in trouble.
Hire more cops ! Plain and simple
This makes no sense!!!!
The officers that got shot in 011 last week were working an 06 car and were kn plain clothes. So is he going to make plain clothes officer wear their body armor under their t-shirts too??? WTF?
In New York and New Jersey they wear them under the shirt.
You have to admit. The 12 or so various vest covers DO look sloppy.
The few times I been to New York the coppers look a lot sharper.
Facepalm: Because expressing how dumb that was in words just doesn't work.
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g-mac should also prohibit mustaches and goatees because they provide a target for offenders to aim for---- also blue and white police cars are also good targets and all beat cars should be painted in olive drab---- this is what happens when a bunch of house mouses sit down and brain storm and none of them has ever worked a beat car or coded 30 jobs a night--- I will continue to wear my black vest cover until it wears out--- who is going to write you up, the one inspector that they have covering the whole city.....
I guess he concluded the parolee was a marksman, and carefully scrutinized his targets' defenses in selecting his point of aim. What a f'ing joke.
Here is the compromise, keep the dark vest cover but go to a dark shirt
Both nypd and most suburbs have gone to a navy shirt. Looks better.
On top or underneath, I'm pretty sure the shitheads know we're wearing vests...I would rather be comfortable, have a platform to carry my gear, and wear something dark to cover up the coffee stains
are you fucking kidding me. How many p/o's are gonna end up in the hospital with heat stroke when this goes into effect?
This guy must be a total moron... If he thinks these shitheads only think officers wearing black covers are wearing bulletproof vests then he is a real nitwit... Newsflash...the shitheads know police officers wear bulletproof vests genius.. Head shots have nothing to do with it...ever play a video game? I suppose the shitheads don't learn anything from playing those either.. Mcstupid...your making friends fast..no car chases with tahoes just because you had a personal friend experience which resulted in a death unfortunately so... Ban chases in tahoes'?? So..... No chases in a vehicle specifically designed by ford to pursue and perform as a police vehicle...ever hear of operator error? And now no black vests because the shitheads are too tactically advanced and only aim for the head now?? Go sell that shit to fr phlegm..maybe he will buy it ..we are police officers and deserve better
than that..
Well, if our negotiations team gets bogged down in work rules; uniform, swipe, hours, medical time, and facial hair, etc., there could be years and years of discussion among the parties and raises (and retro pay) would not be considered until the casino was up and running for a couple of years.
His mission is to continue what Jody Weis started, the cost cutting of the C.P.D. so that the right people could be enriched.
Two words would stop this: FIRST ISSUE.
They are shooting at us because there is no consequences. It's not the black VESTS, it's the black ROBES.
Dear GOD I hope this is someone's idea of a joke!
So now where am I supposed to carry my 4 ar15 mags xtra pistol mags short stem aftermarket radio tourniquet cell phone
So make it appear as if we are not wearing any vests as to invite even more gun fire our way? Ummmmm, I'll pass.
You can't make this shit up.
TOTALLY ASSININE!!
Criminals already aASSUME that we're wearing body armor and go for head shots anyway!
(Maybe this came to Mcgruff when he was walking through another crime scene destroying evidence)
Your right,this smacks of smoke and mirrors!
This department is doomed !
Yeah!!!!! Blue vest covers rule!!!!!
So your saying the boss has enough wack to pay for new vest covers for all the po's who switched and ordered outside vest? the bad guys already know we wear vest. Lets not to mention that more than have the po's still have thier first vest from being ppo's.
God, I really hate this Fu***** power hungry Bas****! Get a clue dic*****. It's also an outer garment. While in the station officers often remove these vests for comfort and to alleviate heat stress related issues. In other words, we will be dripping wet in our own sweat and drop due to heat exhaustion. You STUPIDINTENDENT, are Napolean, a complete TOOL!!!
I only have the black cover for my vest. I do NOT have a blue cover or the under the shirt carrier. Will the city buy the first issue of this carrier when they make this uniform change.
It was pretty sad. When the Sup arrived at that shooting there were shell casings on the ground, but shortly thereafter they all disappeared into the soles of his shoes. I for one really do wish he would quit doing this on crime scenes. As for the vests, I could see the bosses doing something sooo stupid. Stupid is what they do.
This is a good idea, and Policy in many Law Enforcement Agencies, besides, it looks sloppy.
7/23/2011 01:47:00 PM
I think the black covers look very professional. What DOESN'T look professional is wearing it dirty, in disrepair, or hanging open and flapping in the breeze.
Why don't some of you have a little pride and maintain your shit, and wear it properly?
And while you're at it, get rid of those fucking shorts.
And to those of you who say 'wear it underneath' you can go fuck yourselves. When's the last time you worked a busy district in the heat? That outer carrier is a relief.
Wearing a vest has been policy for 25 years. Even tv shows show outer vest carriers. They are not news. Pookie can't aim.
There was some info out there that gangs were aiming for the v at the top of the undershirts and the open collar of our uniform shirts.
Years ago R&D studied this and talked to numerous other depts and firearms experts who said that the black vest cover provides a target for the badguys. Ask Sgt. Uding, he was there.
McGruff is showing his ignorance again.
This Mc is really turning out to be a putz!
“Tiger, one day you will come to a fork in the road,” he said. “And you’re going to have to make a decision about which direction you want to go.” He raised his hand and pointed. “If you go that way you can be somebody. You will have to make compromises and you will have to turn your back on your friends. But you will be a member of the club and you will get promoted and you will get good assignments.”
Then Boyd raised his other hand and pointed another direction. “Or you can go that way and you can do something - something for your country and for your Air Force and for yourself. If you decide you want to do something, you may not get promoted and you may not get the good assignments and you certainly will not be a favorite of your superiors. But you won’t have to compromise yourself. You will be true to your friends and to yourself. And your work might make a difference.”
He paused and stared into the officer’s eyes and heart. “To be somebody or to do something.” In life there is often a roll call. That’s when you will have to make a decision. To be or to do. Which way will you go?”
John Boyd
How sad that most of our exempts have chosen to be.
It is unfortunate, but that is the path that they chose. I only ask one thing of those who chose that path, for our good and for the good of all of the decent people in the city, stay out of the way of those of us who DO.
By all means, continue to rub elbows with politicians, give press conferences, get your name in the paper, drive to and from work in your shiny crown vic where everything works, and prance around in your pressed uniforms like the peacocks you are. We will continue to work, not because of you, but in spite of you. We could have given up, threw our hands up in the air in frustration, and said "I am done". In fact, many of us have. I do not blame them entirely, they are casualties of your incompetence. You worry about how many anov's and curfew and gambling arrests were made, while we are actually pursing guns, drugs, and trying to put dangerous people in jail. While there are those who came on the job because of the benefits, or job security, there are many others who came on with a much higher ideal, and again, despite your efforts to the contrary, have maintained that ideal. It is these men and women of who I am most proud, and it is their respect and camaraderie that I seek out, not yours. I DO, and wish to associate only with those who DO as well. Those that chose to be, stay in your circle and away from ours. You are not welcome in our midst. I end this rant with the perhaps overused words of Shakespeare's Henry V:
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
One of my retired vest covers is a sleeveless duplicate of my shirt. It has the correct color, pockets and badge and name tag holders. The Mfg. tag says "Louise Lasky Leathers" and "Autorized by Chicago Police Department". If McGoofy doesn't like black, let the department pay for new covers that match the uniform.
so wearing our vests inside our shirts would eliminate headshots?
Maybe we should wear our helmets?
Terry Gainer, while at the ISP, was a master at the art of "give them all something to bitch about, so that they ignore what's really going on".
He tried brown leather gear, "ascots" instead of ties, insignificant changes to policies, and a number of other asinine scams. Fortunately, almost everyone, except the kiss-asses, saw through this nonsense immediately.
Okay, Okay, but let's ask the really important question now.... Can we still wear baseball hats backwards?
Because my friends, THAT is what really matters. That I can still rock my New Era cap when I am at work.
Peace Yo!
-Hairgel
I have been wearing Black Vest Cover for over 15 years now. It saved my back by putting my ammo, radio, small flash light, and small note pad onto my vest.Agian someone who does not talk to the Officers on the street before they decode anything. What a joke.
I guess this BOZO has NEVER worn a vest in 100 Degree Heat and high humidity, either!
Was this guy really a Police Officer in New York? Something is really stinking about this hand job of a leader!
Da Pelon
Down goes my activity!
HEY FUCK YOU, BOSS!
It is too hot outside to do any Police Work, while wearing this hot ass vest underneath my shirt!
No more street stops! No more traffic stops!Screw you and your numbers! Fuck Comstat! Put on the blinders!
I want to see the look on the bosses faces when they can"t make the Index {Quotas}.
Da Pelon
With all the shit he SHOULD be worrying about, he chooses THIS to focus on????
Another jerk-ball stupe.
Wouldn't surprise me if he did this--make a bunch of stupid-ass decisions to show he's in charge.
He should be ALL FOR anything that helps us do our jobs better.
And for all of you bitching about BB caps, feel free to wear the other Bozo hat and get it knocked off your head. Those things should be for special duties or functions. They're out-of-date.
Hey Stupid, It is well known that most Police Officers in the United States, wears a bullet resistant vest.
I'm beginning to believe that this Supt. was NEVER the real Police. But a paper pusher in HQ.'s!
The new Chief of staff is going to be a real hatchet man. He is already whispering that some exempts are going to be cut.
29 and a Day can't come soon enough!
Anyone who stays longer than that is a "freaking idiot and Moron" and working for this shithole city for free!
Take the Pension and get a part time job, in a sunny and warm place all year and enjoy life for change!
Police work ain't what it used to be and now something to get away from if you value your livelihood!
I don't know who is worse, this guy or j-fuck. My god has this Dept gone down hill fast. I never thought it would get this fucked this fast!
what if this silly order did come down.. We all refuse to do it and continue to wear the black vest cover.. Wait two of us cant decide on lunch...
Where do we get these people. Oh yea, from outside of the CPD.
THAT is what's on this moron's brain at a police related shooting?
As if we don't have enough uniform conformity troubles already, this nitwit is thinking about changing things again. I have a lot of time on. When I can on you had 1 hat (fur hat for winter), a spring/fall jacket, 1 winter jacket (or leather)and your dress uniform. Compare that to today when every jackass who becomes the boss has to get their ideas in causing to spend more and more dollars on the optional shit. I want to know who's getting the kickbacks from the uniform companies?
Why doesn't Mcdillweed and his henchman let the humps who actually wear vest day in and day out decide how our equipment be worn! Once again too much college and not enough kindergarten.
They will aim above the torso anyway because they know we all wear body armor.
F$#@!^ geniuses these exempts are!!!
I think we owe Weiss an apology??
Horse poop. Ain't gonna happen.
ARE WE GOING TO BE REINBURSED FOR THE MONEY WE SPENT ON VEST COVERS,,,, ESPECIALLY THE FANCY NEW ONES WITH THE EXTRA $40 WORTH OF POLICE PATCHES???????????
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NOPE
Read your contract.
The new "fancy" jazz you dropped your money on is "optional".
I use the bare bones shit I came out of the academy with 24 years ago.
I put every extra cent into my deferred comp.
I now have over $875,000.
Save your money Hair-Gels.
Don't waste it on $200 vest covers and "glory-boy" rifles.
Dick head bureaucrats...
To those ofnuiu taking about putting your black vest cover under your shirt....are you retarded? Of course he means wearing it in it's original vest holder UNDER your shirt.
How about camo uniforms? We could sneak up or hide better from the bad guys.
To 7/24/2011 01:01:00 AM;
If you base your life on what LA/California does, then you're actually oxygen deprived enough to be an exempt.
Boy, Old comander CK didn't hesitate to jump up and agree with the Supe. CK is a big uniform guy. Not much the police as he's been coddled his whole career. I'm surprised Commander KR from TRU (the unit with nobody assigned to it anymore) didn't suck-end I mean second that opinion.
Wait.....the Supe is in a room full of incompetent exempts like AC, Lucy, DTEB, Linda, Lil Steveie, Big Steve, Bea, KR, welsh, and the only change he can envision is a vest cover???????? WOW were in trouble!
Good for you Leo for standing up for the working police. Maybe you should tell your guys not to wear white tee shirt under their BDU's though. It forms a perfect white "triangel of death" as they call it in Cali in the throat area. My tact sgt was big on that and he was a smart guy. -LS Jr
Why doesn't he change the uniform to the dark blue "utility" shirt like K9 wears?
Having supervisors walking around with their WHITE shirts to me is a bigger problem. Talk about a light-up moving target. How about BDU's for anyone working the street?
" Will the city buy the first issue of this carrier when they make this uniform change? "
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GREAT POINT!
If you break down the general order and the contract it states we must all have "body armor".
The directives DO NOT go into specifics about having an
"under the shirt" type vest cover.
Get the grivance forms ready unless the city spends
$85.00 @ officer x 10,000 members.
I know it sounds wierd, but I used to keep a picture of my Sgt in his BDU's with his white tee-shirt underneath in my locker.....until someone broke it!
-Larry
The Supe has never driven a squad car (or cruiser ifbyoure from Joizy) in 90 degree weather with no air. The only thing that keeps you from dying of heat stroke is the ability to open the Velcro side and flap some air in under the vest
This sounds like just his opinion and not based on some kind of study
What an idiotic move. Once again, the new hack has to overturn the new hack. P/O's have paid good money in getting these vest covers with their badges, names, unit designation, and organization embroidered on. What is he thinking? I have heard from citizens in the street that these vest covers make the police look more professional and like they mean busy. If this is true, kennedy and all the other meritorious, non-police, desk jockey's are out of their mind and element. why dont they ask the real police, those that work and are out on the street everyday! ask those that have contact with citizens, everyday. Why ask kennedy or those other chumps, what do they know. This time, mcdrama has shown who he is, he wants to undo what his predessesor did before him and start his own undelical mark. We are not New York! We are not Piss poor town, Newark! Dont try to fix whats not broken, when these vest covers are concerned. For all his failures, weis allowing this type of vest cover, the carbines, yes even the tahoes were a good start to bringing this department to the 21st century. How bout McC, kennedy, work on, hiring more p/o's, getting more cars, getting better batteries for the radios to work a full tour, toughbooks and other hardware, AIRA, to work in both the car and station, pod cameras, that work, computers in the districts, that work,etc. the list is endless. They are worried about vest covers, dear G-D help us !
I think everyone citizen in the United States KNOWS that the Police all wear vests. Maybe we should just wear kevlar helmets and leave the vests at home
coming from someone that does not wear a vest. thanks asshole, Is he going to issue kevlar helmets then??
Hate to say it, but I can see his point. I never liked the way the dark external carriers contrasted with the light blue shirts. I'm just not completely convinced banning them altogether is the thing to do. I think wearing the vest under the uniform shirt looks more professional, but I like the pockets on my external carrier.
Maybe the Dept can switch us to dark blue shirts? I never liked the way coffee & ketchup showed on my light blue shirt anyway.
ARE WE GOING TO BE REINBURSED FOR THE MONEY WE SPENT ON VEST COVERS,,,, ESPECIALLY THE FANCY NEW ONES WITH THE EXTRA $40 WORTH OF POLICE PATCHES???????????
7/24/2011 12:20:00 AM
Hey fucking blow me boss, I spent money getting a new vest and several black covers and now what? I have to go buy new shirts to fit a vest underneath? Back to 1989.
Fuck this job. Fuck McCarthy and fuck Emanuel.
I am done done done.
7/24/2011 02:47:00 AM
You do get reimbursed. Its called uniform allowance. Three times a year
Can I just wear my vest and no pants?
The worse thing for Kevlar is to be put against a hot sweaty body for 9 hours. It rapidly deteriorates its effectiveness. BAD IDEA
12:44 Plain clothes should be somewhat covert. Alittle hard to do if your white working in an all black district such as 011 , 007, 015 A different pair of pants or shirt will really nake you blend in with the residents
Is he going to offer the shooter a job training us? I mean, if a drug dealing shitbird can zing 2 trained officers in the head from the run, because he knows not to shoot the vest, I want him to teach me how to do it. Meanwhile I want an army helmet. I wonder how hiding my vest will keep me from getting shot in it. Maybe if I park and hide my entire tour, all the crime will go away too? I think he hid his brain in his ass.
Superetardo McNutty is launching a war on the blueshirts before we (oops retired) mount up and give him the "No Confidence Vote and start marching again. It is simply a pre-emptive strike. He knows whats coming.
*he is in bed with daley
*he is in bed with the revs.
*he didn't have the balls to dump kirby, downtown ernie, carothers or henney penny or cuello.
* he looks like the kid surgically attached to Pleiger's robes.
*he has never mentioned COZZI ever.
*he never addressed the manpower issue.
* he had no balls to kill the real mayors police servents.
* he is the enemy of the working police and pro-active policing is STILL a lost and never coming back art.
I'm retired and gladly so and I can see that nobody in their right mind should be doing this job anymore. Pension=dead, credible leadership= dead, respect for authority =dead,,,
go ahead virgin hairgels... do your job and prepare to get stripped and served up as a sacrafice.
Regarding the vest covers. I just paid $740 for my diamondback vest. On that, I have a trauma kit, 2 rifle mags, 2 pistol mags and my radio. My vest won't fit under my shirt so now I'll have to buy new shirts. Moving that extra stuff to the waist will make me lose the extra cuffs too. This may not be a good idea....sir.
Compstat = Compost
7/24/2011 02:44:00 AM
That made me snort my coffee!
Ok, that is fine with me. I will continue to work hard.
7/24/2011 12:36:00 AM
You're my fuckin' hero.
NYPD HERE WE COME! THERE ARE A FEW HE ALREADY WEAR THERE VESTS UNDER THE UNIFORM SHIRT ALREADY!! the beards will be shaved too
Check out the London Police...they wear outer vest covers. I think fitness and height and weight standards would do more to create a professional appearance.
To all you Nancys that complained about their backs, he has already come up with a solution. Same for all you girls that need extra pockets for your flashlights, radios and accoutrements.
Department Issued Fanny Packs. They rock! I've been waiting for them for two decades.
In New York and New Jersey they wear them under the shirt.
You have to admit. The 12 or so various vest covers DO look sloppy.
The few times I been to New York the coppers look a lot sharper.
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Do you work the street? My biggest concern isn't "looking sharp" in the ghetto. You can carry higher rated plates and more equipment in an external carrier which means you are safer.
So can we wear blue outside covers>
The original post is not factual. The Superintendent wanted to start a conversation on the black vest cover, and the possibility that the contrast provides a visual reminder at the point of the actual shots being fired to the bad guy to take a head shot. He was talking about saving police officers lives. He maybe wrong, but he is not stupid. Also, the blue and white outside carriers would continue to be authorized. What we need is a conversation on the point he is making: Do black vest covers provide for a visual prompt to offenders to take a head shot?
Think and then respond. Knee jerk reaction to false reports are not helping the conversation.
I think it looks stupid to see all these black vests especially now with the word POLICE emblazoned across the back.
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You're right. It should say FIRE DEPT. instead, that way they won't shoot at us.
Asshat.
I say we should all wear invisible paint.
I refuse to comment on the finding having extensive combat and police knowledge of this issue other than bad call. Sup: please go to 4 districts with quality PO's and ask them the pro's and con's.
Under the shirt vest would require most to buy new larger shirts.
Gary... some serious advice.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
We had three years of that idiot Weis. Let a few Chicago born and experienced exempts run everything and shut up. We have a lot of damage to repair and should be in a rebuilding mode.
Let them run the day to day operations and start to rebuild and go to Rahm and get them what they/we need.
There is a time to lead, a time to follow and a time to get the hell out of the way!
2:02 am are you kidding me. Either your kennedy or some other hack trying to justify your promotion and salary. Obviously, you must not be in tune with the criminal element. The supe, knows. This is why this pandering politician was choosen, for his exemplery law enforcement knowledge. He's from jersey, by way of NYC, New Yorker's know everything. Just ask him. Bad guys know we are the police. Head shots are what they live for, ask any of these model citizens. Plain clothes p/o's are even more at risk, since some sport visible tattoo's etc. that help them blend in. The bad guy cant tell if the p/o is friend or someone trying to steal there stash. They are paranoid and learning from past experiences, are quick to pull the trigger. The superintendente has to realized that, all he has to do is read the breaking news and see whats going on, especially in certain neighborhoods. The supe also has to realize these pillars of society rarely stay a full stint in prison and are back on the street more paranoid and with the mentality that they are not going back to the "joint". Where in all this does the color of any officers vest cover matter? Black or blue, inside or outside,it protects the officer, period! The street officer is a better judge of what he or she feels safe and comfortable in, not some wanna be police desk jockey. If he was looking out for the street p/o, he would get more hires, better equipment, and meritoriously promote p/o's that actually know what it is to work the street, for more then 2 years and not in downtown.
1. I only have hard plates that only go into an external carrier. They provide more protection than a soft vest.
2. Will the city buy me a soft vest?
Very few police departments allow these type of vest covers, some for appearance reasons and some for the very same reasons given by the superintendent. I have never heard of any research done to give credance to what the superintendent is saying, however, he is the superintendent and he is the boss. I really doubt that you say would say " fuck him" to his face and I really doubt if he bans these vest covers anyone would continue to wear them. He can ban any uniform item he wants to ban without any reimbursement. Get over it. This is your job and he is your boss.
Your right 12:44, wearing a different shirt, not wearing jeans and putting your hat on foreward will really solve the problem of being covert. Lets just forget the facts that you are driving a Ford with M plates, wearing a utility vest with the required equipment, have a police radio to monitor calls, have your gun where it is accessible, and more than likely are not of the same race as the residents in the district you are working.
Thanks for the advise, I have been so stupid, tomorrow when I go to work I will put my hat on foreward and nobody will know who I am. Why didn't I think of that and if I want to be invisible I won't wear my MMA shirt
I guess this BOZO has NEVER worn a vest in 100 Degree Heat and high humidity, either!
-no just marines
Another failed supervisory staff that has been emplaced, by the Progressives to continue the destruction of the functionality of the Chicago Police Department as the premier law enforcement entity. Their feeble attempts at trying to focus on equipment rather then policy issues both within the department and our society establishes their continued efforts of our downfall. Stay safe and watch out for each other. It appears that nobody else will.
Your hat will be on your head at all times too. Discipline will be harsh and swift, SPARS SPARS SPARS
I have been in the Southern states many times and the officers wear their vests under their shirts. I have never heard or read anything about heat stroke. Maybe the Chicago Lodge would ask a few questions of these departments and their experiences. The current state of uniform here is sloppy and looks very bad. I see the end of the baseball caps coming. I am retired now, so I don't know who is responsible for buying new vests when the current one hits its expiration date.
The National Institute of Justice has determined that body armor does not expire, however it does age. Just because it is past the warranty doesnt mean it no longer works.
Everyone is asking if no black cover when in uniform is made mandatory will the department buy first issue. The answer to that is no. Outside vest covers are an optional item. The vest itself is the mandatory item.
Having worked with Chris Kennedy, I'm really surprised at him pandering to the sup like that. I'd expect that from Georgas, but not Kennedy. He must be worried about his spot.
Two of a kind. Look at both of their careers never did any police work and Mauer took care of both of them.
I have a blue vest cover I rarely use I wear my vest under my shirt. But all my fellow officers wear the the black one. This fucker is an ass. You cant put those bulky things underneath. He better crawl further up Rahms ass to get money to pay everyone back for the black ones
Just Like New York said...
In New York and New Jersey they wear them under the shirt.
You have to admit. The 12 or so various vest covers DO look sloppy.
The few times I been to New York the coppers look a lot sharper.
7/24/2011 03:11:00 AM
You have a point. Appearance has more priority than comfort, functionality and safety. Why do some officers worry so much about appearance? Focus more on one man cars and the horrible lack of staffing. NYPD are not afraid to hire.
Pardon me for sounding stupid,but what is the attraction to black? Maybe it is a new age color or something. For years and years we either wore the vest under th shirt, or put it in a cover to match the uniform shirt, light blue or white. Those were either cloth or leather. What was so terrible about that. As I recall, even then, many wanted to wear the black cover over thier shirt. I never understood why.
7/24/2011 12:27:00 AM
So where did I put that star and name plate? Or am I stiching that patch on my shirt ? Is underware still optional ?
funny!
What has greater visibility: an officer standing on the street or in an alley in a bright, light blue shirt, of that same officer standing in that same spot with 90% of that bright blue shirt covered in a black cover?
Please take the extra time to aim at me. While you're doing that I'll be using my training and skill to ACTUALLY be shooting you.
This has to make it official! His name has to be McSTUPID because this is just about the dumbest thing I've seen on the department yet! What a fucking dumb asshole. This guy is turning out to be as stupid and worthless as J-Fled. Now I have to find the holder for these vest plates and probably have to buy new shirts in a bigger size to fit the vest under. What an asshole this guy is. Don't ask the opinion of your troops that are out in the street actually wearing the vests but ask a bunch of pencil pushing exempts that are inside all day not wearing a vest at all! Also, I can just imagine how uncomfortable and hot this thing is going to be, especially in the summer time. You're making me want to go out there and WORK real hard so I can sweat my ass off McSTUPID!
baseball caps go next hopefully
Where is our union? No one speaking for us.
Where is our union? No one speaking for us.
I still have my goatee and will wear a black vest cover over my shirt . Once a week my WC reminds me that Goatees are not allowed .
I respond ok Boss and that's the end of it . So wear body armour under shirt for roll call and then put on black est cover over the shirt .
The department can refund my money for the molle vest I just bought that was fucking approved last year. Make up your fucking minds, this kind of shit is so immaterial given the bigger picture: Hire more police and support the ones you have, McFluff.
"There was some info out there that gangs were aiming for the v at the top of the undershirts and the open collar of our uniform shirts."
Aiming???? How about, shut their eyes, or even better turn their head and flinch horribly as they stab at the trigger. And the few that may know a little bit better, they aren't going to fall for the vest is under my shirt trick.
The vest are practical and allow us to carry a bunch of necessary items such as flash light, extra mag, notes, contact cards, pens and radio. But I guess office pimps know better than the people doing the jobs.
HAAAAAAAAAAA someone called him 9.5 fingers!
AWESOME
7/22/2011 12:04:00 PM
Wher have you been hiding? He was annointed Tiny Dancer 9.5 about one year ago.
7/23/2011 09:35:00 AM
Coined by a Sgt who met him before the election. It makes me laugh every time I hear it.
The Sup just earned a new name "Mc Stupid".
Rahm = "Emanuelle"
GMCC = "McCarpetbagger"
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Hey kids, settle down. When we (yes, us old timers) were given our first vests, compliments of Jane Byrne, there was only one way that they could be worn, under your shirt. The vests were bulkier and heavier and yes, they were hot. But no one had heat stroke. When the idea of outer covers for the vests came up, the manufacturers stated that they strongly recommended against that, as the best protection was when the vest was tight against the body. There was much discussion over this and eventually the outer cover came to be.
Let's quit getting all crazy over a comment or an idea being tossed about. McNutty likes officers to look professional. Look around you, some of us look like shit. And the 37 different variations of the uniform don't help one bit. Instead of trying to fight every babttle, let's pick the important ones (health care, pension to name just two) and focus our energies on those instead of crying and shining about anything that comes out of the building.
....and get rid of the fuckin' ball cap and shorts while we're at it. We look like a bunch of kids on dress-up day.
That stupid ball cap makes you look like a pump boy or security guard.
This guy is just pathetically stupid.
Hey mr superintendent. How about fix morale. How about teach yr white shirts how to lead and set their subordinates up to be successful instead of micro managing the shit out of all the nonsense. What a crock of shit. Is this the best you can come up with? Wake the fuck up dude!
WOW!
Only a Gold Star house mouse could come up with some crap like this!
Let's have people who NEVER wear a vest tell the people that ALWAYS wear vest how to wear it.
....and you officers thought that Jfled was a jagoff.
It's amazing how someone puts his own twist to the story and everyone starts running with it. Never fails how we all get angry and start dogging everyone. being at the meeting I can tell you that it didn't happen that way. First off it was a question for people in patrol wearing the black vest cover. civilian dress would still be in black. patrol would go back to blue or under the shirt. Also a quick question for you veterans out there, how long has Black vest cover been in uniform as an outer garment (not long) oh my how did we function before. oh it's so hot out there but.... lets wear a black vest cover that would make it better. I love this blog but sometimes reading the comments it really makes me wonder if we would ever be happy. Again don't believe everything you read cause it didn't happen that way and the sups intentions were not of safety or head shots or whatever you want to start saying. Be safe!
This guy is worried about black vest covers and the mayor is worried about garbage cans. Seriously!?
He's "no O.W. Wilson"...
Wait- yes, that's it!
"No - W. Wilson"
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he would be here if we didnt promote useless bosses because of their color and pander to the reverends....
What a douche bag this guy is. Bring back Weis!!!
Does he think that the bad guys shooting at the police are lining up their sights and making calculated desisions about shot placement. Or does this dumbass think that by removing the vest cover people will think no vest at all and aim center mass? Go back to the East coast you dick!
. At the comstat meeting,one of the commanders was asked why his unit's arrest numbers were so much lower then the others and his reply to the Supt was none of the P.O.'s want to do work in his district because they have expired vests. Now the supt want vest inspections. 7/24/2011 12:56:00 AM
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....OR its because he is a shitty commander??
Really? Black vest covers make us better targets. Well then the L.A.P.D. Should patrol naked then since they wear all black uniforms. God seriously?! Jack asses!
What ever happened to the Ultimate tactical warrior? I miss him
let me guess... king Daley's son or nephew just had an undershirt vest carrier approved by the department.
Everyone that works inside should have to wear the full dress blue uniform. Now that looks professional. And before you cry about wearing the dress blues in the summer, every building has a/c.
Smells like a straw man argument where one takes up a position and then later backs off to make the opposition feel that their voices have been heard and they won something.
Meanwhile, the main agenda, the real agenda that they really want to push goes thru and the morale lost from not having a voice in the decision making process is thereby minimized
7/24/2011 12:30:00 AM
Listen up, people! This poster had hit it, dead on. Pay attention.
Sleight of hand, misdirection and flat-out lies are the order of the day.
Will they be writing a check for the money I spent on my vest cover that I just purchased? If not fuck them
Yes, this is true and also they are going to start checking vests for expiration dates,if your vest is older then 5 years old, your going to get dinged. At the comstat meeting,one of the commanders was asked why his unit's arrest numbers were so much lower then the others and his reply to the Supt was none of the P.O.'s want to do work in his district because they have expired vests. Now the supt want vest inspections.
7/24/2011 12:56:00 AM
You're joking, right? Which ASS said such a stupid, not to mention UNTRUE, thing?
What about the leather blue vests can I still wear mine
This was an argument when they first came out. The original cover matched the shirt and this arrangment was found to be superior to the under the shirt method. With the outer vest cover, the officer is more comfrtable, its easier to get on & off, also you can unstrap the vest while sitting and cool off a little.
Its seems the new boss does not care about the health or comfort of the troops who really do the work.
I am not sure if this is a good idea or not. But if you have a guy who is trying to change policy to save and officers life instead of because he doesnt like how the vests look, he should not be knocked. We need a leader who cares about our wellbeing. I dont know if it is this Sup. or not. This would point in that direction.
7/24/2011 02:02:00 AM
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Thanks for seeding the posts, Garry, but we're still not buying it.
They KNOW we wear vests. They KNOW we are REQUIRED to wear vests. Doesn't matter to the shooter if we wear the vest over or under the shirt. Honest, Garry, it doesn't.
But, in 85degree or higher temps, being able to get the vest off while we're in the station can make all the difference in the world between losing us on the medical for heatstroke and keeping us out there on the street, getting the job done.
great, I just bought a new vest and then bought a new carrier to the tune of 208 dollars.... you got to love this shit.
Right in the middle of a heat wave. No momentary respite when/where it is safe to do so, none.
Horrible idea!!! Just keep the uniform's the same as they are now!!!
Change the uniform to shirts to black. Problem solved! But then we'd be the scary police and we don't wanna scare anybody.
in the spring, hot summer and fall months I would definately say fuck that. it's just too hot having the vest immediately against your body with no room for ventilation. in the winter, I wouldn't care. makes no sense. this supt is an idiot.
well doesnt the city have to pay for the new vest covers then?
Where does it end, Boss?
"Triangle of Death"
It has been speculated that the street gangs in California are training their members to shoot law enforcement officers at night by aiming for the highly visible patch of white t-shirt exposed above the top of officers’ vests and uniform shirts. Commander Michael Richards of the Mundelein Illinois Police Department decided to test the theory with an experiment.
Commander Richards took six officers from his department deemed as “average” shooters and ran them through a quick 18 round low light course. A 6 ft tall mannequin target wearing a blue uniformed shirt with a white sheet of paper behind it to replicate a white t-shirt was positioned approximately 10 feet from the firing line. The officers were to step to the left or right and draw and fire three rounds as fast as possible. The “t-shirt” was changed for each officer to track the hits.
More than 80% of the rounds shot by all of the officers hit in or immediately around the exposed t-shirt despite the fact the officers used in the experiment are trained to shoot center mass. It is believed that the officers overrode their training and focused their shots on what was most visible. All of the officers in the study confirmed after the end of the exercise that the patch of white had drawn their aim.
Research from the Force Science Research Center at Minnesota State University-Mankato has shown that people in stressful situations scan a scene quickly and grasp at little pieces of information. The process is automatic and almost instinctive. People will gravitate to a particular item that has caught their attention such as a body part, piece of clothing, or movement. In a shooting situation, people will shoot at what they can see; this is exacerbated in low light situations. Depending on the amount of time one has to process the situation, it is believed that shooters will shoot at whatever is most noticeable. With more time, a shooter will be able to draw conclusions from what he sees and use that information as a guide. For example, the contrast between an officer’s undershirt and uniform shirt will initially draw the focus of the shooter. With more time, he will be able to identify what he is looking at and use it as references to shoot below it. This concept is not limited to white undershirts, but also includes patches, badges, flashlights, and even skin tone.
Based on his experiment, Commander Richards now urges all of his officers to wear dark undershirts under their uniforms. This seems like a relatively easy uniform change that could have a significant impact on officer safety and in the most unfortunate of circumstances, save a life.
Now what Boss?
this outsider can't even get officers to shave or report to roll call on time
he's toast , kept in dark by his merit captains and command staff
sure mccarthy whatever you say
ya think ya can get 10th district to enforce street vendors
i didn't think so
on cpd we'll wear whatever we want and no merit captain will enforce your bs rules
Open your f'n eyes jackazz.
All these citizens getting shot in the head on the street -- do you think it's because the shooters think that they are wearing vests?
Best and brightest leaders my azz.
the light blue shirt looks traditional, and best anyway. Troops look far more professional in the two-tone blue. Vests are designed to be worn UNDER a shirt, not over. Get back to basics. Every Uniformed and ununiformed officer on CPD looks attired differently. This does not happen in LAPD, NYPD, and other Agencies. Just look around. It's out of control regarding Uniform Standards. Go back to basics, please...
Another fine example of the Exempt ranks
"YES"-man mentality.
Has there been any thought to the navy blue jacket or the black/chartreuse raincoat? The traffic safety bulls eye vest?
What about the t-shirt 'white triangle' LAPD talks about?
Will they do something about the haircut standards, too many sporting the gang banger look and talk about getting plugged by friendly fire.
Whether you like Leo Schmitz or not (I do), you have to give him credit for speaking out. Yes yes, he's a clout baby (what exempt is not?) but Leo IS the police, takes his job seriously, and DEFINATELY has the po's best interests in mind. 99.999% of the other exempts can take their kneepads and blow me.
Photo-ops!
Yeah get them uniform rules changed so everyone looks pretty for the cameras during the G-8/NATO summit -- summer of violence.
I miss Jody!
I don;t have any way to wear my vest under my shirt so by me a new one and then go fuck yourself
Then how about instead of a bright blue shirt we wear all black shirts. ohh even better how about invisible!
The hard truth is that it looks unprofessional and our CD outfits look even more unprofessional. He is right. Vests should be worn on the inside, and civilian dress should make you look like a civilian-not a cop whose uniform is jeans and a baseball hat with duty belt and vest. All NYPD CD guys try to blend in. Those who say you can't be white in a black neighborhood- They dress like construction workers or repairmen or hypes. Being open to new ideas is not so terrible.
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