NYPD Can Shoot Down Aircraft?
The New York City Police Department possesses the capability to shoot down any type of aircraft if the city experiences a 9/11-type of attack in which commercial airliners or other aircraft are used as Kamikazes.
Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told CBS TV news program 60 Minutes that the force had the “device and training” for such an attack and “would have some means to take down a plane in an extreme situation."
Police sources later admitted the NYPD owns a Barrett .50 caliber machine gun, which is fitted to a police helicopter for extra security such as when a U.S. president visits the city. The .50 caliber is used in Iraq and Afghanistan mounted on U.S. military Humvees and helicopters.
And Chicago? Probably similar to this one:
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
84 Comments:
What is really amazing is that they have the technology and training and apparently the authorization to take an aircraft out of the sky...we can't even get any basic training except a streaming video! Good Luck with G8 or with any other kind of large incident. Again we will fly by the seat of our pants! OR....they think we are awesome already and can handle anything! I know if I wanted anyone to back me up, it would be another CPD officer...WE ARE AWESOME!
Blue Thunder comes to mind. But with the current government that will never happen.
Then again, if it is done covertly...
Big Deal... our 704 guys have kevlar helmets and glow in the dark counter terrorism patches.
I think the Barrett rifle is a 10-shot semi-auto -- but that's still a .50, big heavy boat-tailed slug at around 2700 per at the muzzle.
Police/military can undoubtedly get tracer/incendiary/explosive ammo; I remember one called the "Raufoss" multi-purpose round. Nothing to mess with, stop a good-sized truck in its tracks.
yes they have the .50 cal but the boss didnt actually answer the question. He admitted they had a 50 cal. The weapon they have that can take out ANY plane that is coming inbound are shoulder mounted stinger missles. There are certain officers in ESU who are police officers and current military who are the only ones qualified to use the weapon. Six officers are placed in three strategic places in the city operating as two man teams as to keep a protective "triangle" over the city at all times. These teams have been up 24-7 since early 2002... mostly around Manhattan(we think)... Obviously the department wont let us know where these officers are stationed but they have told us that they missles are stingers. Now thats pretty cool. T.J 33rd pct.
Chicago is not Prepared and will be a Big joke when it gets hit.
Hysterical. We definitely have the cheese ball mustaches covered....not so sure about the smokin' babes.
Ray Kelly as usual is exaggerating a bit.
Their helicopter could take down relatively slow aircraft, but would have no chance at taking down most commercial aircraft. This story is all over the NYC media.
This is something that should be left to the military if it comes to that.
The more I read about the NYPD the more I'm glad I don't work there. Besides the silly accents in some ways they really seem to be out of control.
The other day one of their exempts, a precinct commander, pepper sprayed four women who were sitting at a peaceful protest AND some of his own men.
Then said commander sauntered off leaving the mess for his subordinates to clean up. Inspector Bologna is his name. I kid you not.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/09/26/2011-09-26_activists_post_identity_of_nypd_officer_who_peppersprayed_wall_street_protesters.html
The NYPD version of SCC has some choice comments for Bologna.
http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/44541/NYPD-silent-on-Pepper-spray-of-wall-Street-Protestors?page=1#.ToKwaOyrs98
Can you imagine how much shit would be blown up by accident if Chicago had those capabilities.
Come on, don't buy the hype. Barrett doesn't make machine guns. They make sniper rifles. There is no way that the NYPD is going to down an airliner with one. More importantly, they aren't going to bring down a plane into the middle of one of the boroughs there. The whole story smells.
Those two examples are right on the money. Of course Chicago's version would cost ten times as much as NY's. It's the Chicago way after all.
The really sad part is, that orange Riptide robot 'Robaz' is more reliable than Predictive Analytics Group.
A Barrett isn't a "machine gun". It's just a rifle that shoots the .50 BMG cartridge. It operates no differently than an AR-15 or Mini-14.
As far as shooting down an airliner, the Germans and Japanese had a hard time shooting down B-17s using REAL machine guns and 20mm and 30mm cannon. A typical airliner can fly something like 2-3 times as fast as a B-17. What's the top speed of the average police helicopter? Here's a hint: the average pre-WWII BIPLANE could leave one like it was standing still.
NYPD: Leave the BS to "Airwolf" and Sarah Brady.
Between chicago and county were lucky we can afford pants let alone a machine gun on a chopper.
Police sources later admitted the NYPD owns a Barrett .50 caliber machine gun
Barrett makes a 50 machine gun??
Must be news to them...they make 50 cal semiautos.
Would you give our "trigger happy" Chicago cops the capability to shoot down planes? The natives and press go goofy when we have justified shootings on the ground. Just saying.
We can't even man our beats and New York has a real police department. There is something very wrong in Chicago.
We don't even have Stopsticks.
Big Deal.
Chicago can do the same thing.
Just have all 10,000 CPD fire into the sky at the same time.
Rahm
Haha...should of been the helicopters from the tv show MASH.
no aircraft here!!!! the cops on our choppers cant even have rifles.
The CPD can maybe shoot down a paper airplane.
Yeah left out ; TC from magnum PI.
Just sayin .
Former FTO
That first video is very like the CPD helicopter unit.....Ernest Borgnine was born in 1917, which would make him about the same age as Harry Holm. Ernest Borgnine can't fly worth a shit either, so that makes him even more like Harry Holm. Only difference I could find is that Ernest has lots of adoring fans and many people like him a lot. Harry Holm....not so much!!
The below excerpt is taken directly from the Inspector General's report:
Police Department – Eliminate the Marine and Helicopter Unit
Savings: $6.2 million
The Police Department’s Marine and Helicopter Unit is comprised of “two distinct operations: Marine Operations and Helicopter Operations.”[1] “Marine Operations personnel (all of whom are public safety divers) are the first responders to any maritime incident. Marine Operations personnel have three areas of responsibility. They are Search, Rescue, Recovery Operations, Law Enforcement and Homeland Security.”[2] The Helicopter unit has two helicopters, which among other activities, “play a large role in the homeland security field by having the ability to conduct aerial reconnaissance of target locations, and evaluating demonstrations and other large events.”[3]
Under this option, the City would eliminate the marine and helicopter unit and its 51 budgeted positions with a total budgeted compensation of $6.2 million, assuming fringe benefits are 43 percent of salary. There would be additional equipment savings as the City would no longer have to maintain the police boats and helicopters.
Proponents might argue that the duties of the marine unit could be performed by the Coast Guard and the Illinois Conservation police, which share the Chicago Marine Safety Station, the facility that currently houses the marine unit.[4] Others might argue that maintaining the City’s helicopters is expensive and that spending money on street cops provides a better public safety return. They might point to Indianapolis, which is considering getting rid of its police helicopter.[5]
Opponents might argue that the marine unit provides life-saving search and rescue operations that could not be completely replaced by the Coast Guard or Illinois Conservation police.[6] Additionally, others might argue that the helicopter unit is necessary because it serves not only Chicago, but assists the Cook County Sheriff and thus provides services to all of Cook County.[7]
The city's broke. The police will just have to do their work the old fashioned way.
Does Barrett actually manufacture any machine guns, or is that a reporter's misunderstanding (or a police chief's?)
Barrett makes a lot of stuff in the caliber ".50 Browning Machine Gun" but I never knew they manufactured machine guns.
My show was awesome.
Check out "THEE (NYPD) RANT" topic title "NYPD's Kelly says what cops have could take down an aircraft"
It appears that NYPD Comm. Raymond "Popeye" Kelly lacks credibility with "New York's Finest".
Effective 31 Oct, all CPD patrol sgts. will be issued SAMs: FIM-92 Stinger missile launchers.
Does anyone know if the Hell will a final fly over somewhere? That would be cool.
Can I Please Just Get An Event # !!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
... we can't even get any basic training except a streaming video! Good Luck with G8 or with any other kind of large incident. Again we will fly by the seat of our pants! ...
9/28/2011 12:11:00 AM
By the time we face the G8/NATO in Chicago, Jersey boy will be Police Commissioner in NYC, with a little help from Rahm and BHO, but also with the caveat that much of the NYPD's Counter-Terrorism Unit be sent here to supplement our woefully shorthanded and under-trained CPD.
Rahm will count on many such additional borrowed LEOs and National Guard bodies to keep the national media from exposing what a horseshit job he is doing for the citizens of Chicago. After all, he wouldn't want the voters to get the impression that he isn't capable of running the city of Chicago before he gets them to vote for him for President!
TD9.5 is selling our helicopter to a connected cab company (the same one purchasing the special cars) which will then paint the chopper purple and sell rides along the lakefront from Midway Airport.
We're not talking about machine guns here. The only thing that has a prayer to do what is described would be some kind of MANPADS system like a Stinger or some other shoulder launched SAM. And, there's that pesky little problem of 'what goes up must come down'...both the missile and its target. Finally, how are these secured so the Bad Guys can't suddenly make their lives easier?
NYPD: Still the Real POE-leese!
We are going to be humiliated in May.
"Police sources later admitted the NYPD owns a Barrett .50 caliber machine gun"
Barrett Firearms does not make .50cal machine guns.They make .50BMG platforms in semi-automatic and bolt action rifles.
Both of these would be piss poor choices for trying to shoot down aircraft,possible but not really practicle or the best choice.
I call total bullshit.
I remember when the department stopped letting us take out shotguns. We used to have a holder that sat between the two bucket front seats. The barrel was pointed up and every month or so some idiot would pull the trigger to check to see if it was loaded and blew a hole in the roof. Can you imagine what would happen if they allowed these powerful weapons?
surface-air missle, they got it off Ebay. Some guy in libya has ten-thousand or so to sell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211
Will not stop a truck cold,sorry.Set it on fore yes,Fuck the engine up,yes,but will not STOP the vehicle.
Stick with airsoft so you dont get anyone killed.
You know what's funny, people here are arguing what kind of weapon Barrett makes, I think you mumbleheads are missing the point of the thread. Looking around at the gene-pool, maybe were better off without those kinds of weapons
Not this for aircraft:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2S7IqrVLHY&feature=related
THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87zHC19As24
Machine guns??
http://www.barrett.net/
The NYPD also has detectives detailed to US Embassies in the middle east - and we're the real police???
i can throw my radiation detector pager really far.
NYPD has 79 Precincts and hired about 1600 cops this year with no intention of closing any stations. We hired what, 85 cops? And we're talking about closing 2 stations. We are worlds apart from the policing done in NYC and GMac knows it. But like many before him he's a puppet on a string so don't expect anything positive to happen. We'll pay the price, if our luck doesn't hold out, next May.
When I first read the article, I was thinking that NYPD was given shoulder-fired, guided missles or something by the US military in case they needed to shoot down a terrorist aircraft.
I'm not an expert marksman, but I doubt anyone would be able to shoot down a large, multi-engined aircraft traveling 500mph, and hundreds if not thousands of feet in the air, with a semi-automatic rifle (50 cal or not).
It would take a military-style 50 cal. large machine gun to even have a chance shooting down an airplane.
Squad, yeah could I get a stupervisor over here I just shot down a B737,oh yeah and I need a papercar over here! Can u throw a rd# for a 99B in my box please
soon we wont even have helicopters
So this is like in Viet Nam where
the .50 Cal was mounted in the door of or on the landing skids of the Huey chopper. Great idea.
popeye is eating too much spinach
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9527/image004xph.jpg
quoting Howard Stern:
Robin, "The NYPD is amazing!"
Howard, "They're on fire!"
they cant even carry rifles in our helicopter??
they do not want us to even chase a vehicle WTF
Come on, don't buy the hype. Barrett doesn't make machine guns. They make sniper rifles. There is no way that the NYPD is going to down an airliner with one. More importantly, they aren't going to bring down a plane into the middle of one of the boroughs there. The whole story smells.
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What he said.
Surmising --
They might get lucky and close up on a Piper Cub and get hits in the engine or cockpit, but it'd only be possible to MAYBE take down an airliner if you had advance warning enough and were in a position to get into its flight path, hover there, and start shooting for the cockpit with explosive rounds. Given the closing speed, you'd only have a few seconds; hardly enough time to acquire the target in the 'scope for even one attempt at a shot.
No way are they going to catch up with something going 500-600 MPH.
In film of the WTC attacks, one jet appears without warning in the far upper right of a cameraman's viewfinder, streaks across, and slams into the tower before anyone can even yell "HOLY S__T."
"Unworkable" is the word I'm looking for.
The Barrett .50 BMG semi-auto rifle is a fine weapon in its place but this sounds like more "show" than "go," as best I can try to envision it. Movie stuff.
Man-portable, ground-to-air missiles deployed around an area you want to protect might have a better chance. They know this already. I believe the Secret Service has had LAWS for a long time, and probably more sophisticated heat-seekers now.
Don't woory, G Mac will follow Ray Kelly and keep our helicopters. Chicago needs them to follow daleys' bodyguards and daughters.
Anonymous said...
We don't even have Stopsticks.
9/28/2011 02:37:00 AM
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But we sure have a lot of fucksticks!
Slow aircraft, maybe.
Take a look at the estimated speeds of the 9/11 attack aircraft.
http://911review.org/Wget/www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/02/25/attack/main501989.shtml
Bloomberg and Commissioner Kelly are full of shit on this one.
There is only 7 votes to save the CPD helicoptor on Rahm's website.
www.chicagobudget.org
scroll through Public safety.
Wouldn't surprise me if a few stingers are available.
Big Deal.
Chicago can do the same thing.
Just have all 10,000 CPD fire into the sky at the same time.
Rahm
10,000???? Um yeah, about 5 years ago. if you want 10,000 shots in the air about half of us are going to have to shoot twice.
I'm surprised that Ronnie Barrett hasn't repo'd his gun from the city of New York. At the very least he should refuse to support or service the gun if it needs repairs. Just like in California when the police departments started trotting out those big bad 50 cals.
I own one, they're not so bad, but I don't live in a commie state that doesn't allow "mere mortal citizens" to own them.
Ha! Riptide! I believe this show won the academy award for..... Best show ever!
Effective 31 Oct, all CPD patrol sgts. will be issued SAMs: FIM-92 Stinger missile launchers.
9/28/2011 08:28:00 AM
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01 Nov, Day of the Dead. How appropriate.
AND WE GOT THIS SUPE FROM JERSEY!!
THAT IS THE PABST BLUE RIBBON OF NEW YORK.. NO OFFENSE PBR LOVERS.
HOW COME WE KEEP HIRING OTHER PEOPLES CAST OFF. IF THEY WERE VALUABLE A CITY WOULDNT LET THESE SO CALLED EXPERTS OUT OF THEIR DEPARTMENTS.
I KEEP HEARING WHITE SHIRTS WORRY ABOUT COMP-STATS YET I STILL HAVENT SEEN ANYONE DEMOTED OR FIRED.
SO THAT JUST SHOWS U THAT JUST LIKE J-FLED R DON JUAN SUPE (LOW BLOW) CANT FIRE OR HIRE ANYONE WITH OUT RAHMS APPROVAL.
HEY RAHM HOW ABOUT CHANGING THE NUMBERS OF DISTRICT (call 18 18a or 001 the central) AND THEN U COULD SAY U REMAPPED THE CITY.
ASS-HAT...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
We don't even have Stopsticks.
9/28/2011 02:37:00 AM
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But we sure have a lot of fucksticks!
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I just pissed myself. Thanks for the laugh,
that was good
Was just reading this and thinking.
When the city orders those 3,000 bikes, they should see if they can get ones with gun racks...know what I'm sayin'?
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Man shot, critically injured by bike-riding attacker
A 22-year-old man was critically wounded Tuesday afternoon by a bicycle-riding gunman in the city's Woodlawn neighborhood on the South Side, police said.
The shooting occurred just before 3:30 p.m. in the 6700 block of South Cottage Grove Avenue, police said.
The victim was talking down the street when the gunman rode up from behind and opened fire on the man, police said, citing preliminary reports
The victim was struck once in the head and multiple times in both legs, police said.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-cops-man-shot-critically-injured-by-bikeriding-attacker-20110927,0,5487761.story
Meanwhile, in other news....did maggie use her police limo service to go to the doctor today because no-one in the family cares about her enough to take her....and what about the alderman's taxpayer provided drivers...they had a quite day I'll bet. Must be nice.
"Will not stop a truck cold,sorry.Set it on fore [fire?] yes,Fuck the engine up,yes,but will not STOP the vehicle."
9/28/2011 10:08:00 AM
Barrett .50 is tasked as "sniper, anti-sniper, anti-materiel." You're the one pretending that I mean "instant stop" on a truck. Use your brain. By the time the thing is burning, has severe damage to engine, driver and helper blown all over inside of cab, and lurches to a halt alongside the road -- hopefully holding up a column -- it is no longer an asset.
Jeez, give it a minute or so. By now, the motherf__er is what they call "stopped."
"Stick with airsoft so you dont get anyone killed."
It works in the field, not in picky little word-game environments on computer screens. You know exactly what I mean.
"yes they have the .50 cal but the boss didnt actually answer the question. He admitted they had a 50 cal. The weapon they have that can take out ANY plane that is coming inbound are shoulder mounted stinger missles. There are certain officers in ESU who are police officers and current military who are the only ones qualified to use the weapon. Six officers are placed in three strategic places in the city operating as two man teams as to keep a protective "triangle" over the city at all times. These teams have been up 24-7 since early 2002... mostly around Manhattan(we think)... Obviously the department wont let us know where these officers are stationed but they have told us that they missles are stingers. Now thats pretty cool."
T.J 33rd pct.
--9/28/2011 12:16:00 AM
Yeah, I can dig that. Makes a lot more sense. I said before about Secret Service having LAWS, I meant Stingers. Big guidance box bulging off to the side. Name just didn't come to mind.
Barrett could come into play against an active shooter up in some window, some car somewhere...nothing says you can't land the helo, get the gun into position on the ground or on a building where it's needed.
I just don't see it. I think they'll be hard pressed to find a supervisor willing to give them permission to take down an airliner in today's society. They likely won't have much time to make their decision and it will be over before they know it. I applaud the effort though.
Before the G-8 Summit can I please have a respirator/gas mask? Where are the 13,000 that the Feds provided us? Does the city have any clue about how undermanned, unprepared and most import unmotivated we are. We have been screaming for help but yet no one hears us. There is NO WAY anyone with any common sense would lift a finger to help a city gov't that uses them as a punching bag. We are officially done and unless the mayhem spreads to 22 or 16, Fuck You!
I can shoot the pecker off a fly on the wing of a 747 with my 9mm Ruger DAO! No problem I'm a CPD Range Instructor!
@ 9/28/2011 12:16:00 AM
It's a Recoil-operated, rotating bolt
weapon to get technical.
A .50 Machine gun is a M2 Browning or M240...designed for helicopter mounting and remote aiming and firing.
Anonymous said...
So this is like in Viet Nam where
the .50 Cal was mounted in the door of or on the landing skids of the Huey chopper. Great idea.
50 s were never mounted on a huey because the frame can t take the pounding.....................
9/28/2011 01:30:00 AM
Okay General Patton...you've obviously never served in the Army or Marines or Navy or Air Farce.
There are 4 types of MANPADS..
Ungided
Infrared
Command line-of-sight
& Laser guided
Standard US issue is the FIM-92 Stinger which is in service with US Army and Marines. (FIM-92A, FIM-92B, FIM-92C, FIM-92D, FIM-92G variants). So easy to use, Masters couldn't fuck it up.
We went from brainless teenagers pointing lasers at airliners at Midway to surface to air missiles. Great.
An almost child-line misconception of what a Barrett .50 will do... There is a 0.00% chance any .50 rifle could stop a 9/11 style attack. Absolute Zero.
Of course, that's part of the agenda. You first create your own facts in the media to generate hysteria, then you cite those same facts as the basis for taking action. In this case, it would be "The NYPD is using Barrett rifles in an anti-aircraft role... Should we allow these to be sold so the terrorists can get ahold of one?"
No one bothers to address the reality of a situation- that a Barrett isn't an aircraft weapon, but now that it's been reported in the media, it's met the "Wikipedia Quality Control Standard" and shall evermore be defined thusly, in the minds of the rabble.
I wish there was an island populated only by people who weren't fucking stupid. I'd pack up and go live there.
Anonymous said...
I can shoot the pecker off a fly on the wing of a 747 with my 9mm Ruger DAO! No problem I'm a CPD Range Instructor!
9/28/2011 08:45:00 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have anti-aircraft capabilities in #007.We have some bungee strapped between two CTA signs and we pull it back with streets and sans garbage truck and launch junebug at the impending plane with an old Iver Johnson .32 breaktop with one round of ammo.
Before the G-8 Summit can I please have a respirator/gas mask? Where are the 13,000 that the Feds provided us?
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The city discovered recently that instead of gas masks the contractor supplied 13,000 pink balaclavas. The city is currently working to resolve this problem so each officer can be properly equipped for the upcoming G8 event.
A contract has been let to resolve the issue. A large number of vacuum cleaner bags have been procured along with duct tape and super glue to upgrade the purchased items. Underprivileged urban youth and undocumented immigrants will be employed in making the upgrades. Fear not.
Vanecko Gas Mask, LLC
Unfortunately, maybe it will take a out of control incident like what happened in Seattle to illustrate to Emmanuel that proper staffing and equipping of law enforcement is important. This dept has been gutted and is not fully manned or equipped to deal with mass civil unrest.Say what you want about old man Daley, but he had enough PO's in 68 to do what was needed to keep order.The cow will have to be in the pasture before they close the barn door. NYPD learned a bitter lesson. But they learned it well. It's going to take a catastrophy for the 5th floor to realize how important public safety is.
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