Buses to Springfield
Free rides!
- SCC:
The FOP says to get the word out on the 3 buses they have available going to Springfield at 8:00am next Wednesday.
Only a few people have signed up so far.
Perhaps you can put up a new topic for this!!
Our pensions are under attack!!!!!
And again:
- Protect your pensions! Pension Bill day in Springfield IL, 26 Oct 11.
I just signed up to go with the FOP to Springfield by bus. The FOP has chartered three buses, as of 1530 hours on Friday only 17 PO's have signed up to go! ONLY 17!
Don't go cussing out Shields and the FOP if you don't get on that bus, be at FOP Hall at 0730 hours on Wednesday, 26 Oct 2011
Apathy is our enemy here. Get involved, make some calls, write some letters, take a bus ride.
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posted by SCC at 6:01 AM
100 Comments:
I CONCUR WHOLEHEARTILY!!
CALL YOUR STATE REP.'s and STATE SENATOR'S ALSO!!
The Sergeants Association also has a bus going down to Springfield!
GET INVOLVED! ALL RANKS/ALL WATCHES
PASS THE WORD ON!!
I did call Rep. Tom Cross last week--same thing,"blah,blah,blah'!
Have your family call&go to website-
'First Responders Pension Facts.com'
signed, Rich Moravec 002
Unable to go to Springfield but did email my state senator and state rep.
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
OT. Watch out for RT Development, they are scamers and will take money and run for home improvement work. The owner is Anthony Pinzine (IDOC #m10502).They prey on the elderly and anyone elese who has money. BEWARE!!!!!!!
I agree get on the bus but shouldnt the FOP lobbyist be working the reps and senators to voye against these measures and maybe get a bill for reform introduced on our behalf? There are many parts to this battle.
CPD can't fill 3 buses , get enough signatures on a petition to reduce alderman , afraid to write tickets around aldercreatures offices that want to take away benefits , around churches on sunday etc . That's why next contract Rahm will stick it to us.
20% od CPD do all the work and most are on tactical teams or in specialized units . The rest could be replaced with civilian community service officers to complete case reports and issue tickets .
Ok, honestly tell me what the fuck is protesting and waving a bunch of signs going to do? Our politicians don't listen to us. This country is going down to the tubes.
OT
To all required to have your gas mask downtown check the filter to see when it expired. Most have expired and the city does not have any new ones. The expired ones won't work. Further when making an arrest at a protest put the name of the exempt member that gave the order for the arrest in report. CYA Be Safe
Better get on Board people, if U don't think these Illinois Politicians would LOVE to steal your pensions, you are sadly mistaken. They ONLY understand numbers, so if only a few show up, there is NO strength shown to them, and the issue becomes a Big Target for them to weasel their way into, and Loot till Dry.
Rahm must love this post. It shows the interest the CPD has in this issue. Talk, but no action. He will only be encouraged to change the law by this low turnout and lack of interest
Right now might be a good time to go public with the pension attack and get some people on our side.....Mine as well work with what we have and use the Occupy protest.......
What's the phone number again?
would someone tell me what the fop alternative is to pension reform? it has to happen if it doesnt it will be insolvent in our lifetimes.
sorry off topic:--- the occupy whatever screwballs will be going into grant park again tonite to once again challenge the 11pm park closing ordinance--- districts already short handed will lose the tac teams when they are called downtown to hold all of these dumb kids hands---- order the fire department to turn the hoses on and soak the fuck out of all these eggheads and do gooders if they won't leave the park at 2300 hrs....
I have court; If I didn't, I would go. Coppers need to go. I remember when we had a picket/protest downtown some years back, I took advantage of the buses that took us downtown from the Area's. A whole bus and it was just me and two other officers. Riduclous right.
Bring a friend as well and fill up these buses!! We must unite and show outrage at this movement.
People we must unite now!! After Springfield we must march on City Hall next. We did it against Daley years back and it had an impact. Racoon eyes does not give a shit about us and it's time we speak up. I say we organize with Fire as well to march on the City Hall and gain some media attention in our favor for once.
Iam on furlo so Ill be there. Please go if u can.
Wow three buses eh? That would support about 180 people. The Springfield mayor must be licking his chops at the revenue generation opportunity. What are we talking about here $90,000 in fines the mayor can hope to collect at $500/head? They only to need to find an ordinance to charge you all under.
Is Springfield like Chicago do you know? I mean where freedom of speech and the right to free assembly is only allowed from 6am to 11pm?
Yeah I'm trollin'...
Because people don't give a sh1t until it hits home and their families are directly involved -- then it's too late and I'm not sure we are there yet. Let someone else do it..
Did I tell you?
They had a seminar at the Hilton last week on How to Wipe Out Apathy in America..I was going to go!! But then I figure ahh what difference would it make ya know?
/sarcasm
So good thing 19 is closing....an Insane Deuce got shot in Hamlin Park yesterday.....and some point after the Deuces tagged the side of the 19 station!!
sorry, i wish i could go.
I need duel incomes to live in this rotten city that is trying to break all of its promises to us. I am a single parent for half the day.
God speed to you all.
Now is not the time to be passive. Everyone needs to become active and aggressive in achieving the goals of the membership. FOP IS AS STRONG AS ITS' MEMBERSHIP. It is not one individual but all of us collectively. Get on the bus. Support the legal actions we as police officers can take. Talk is cheap, now is the time to stand up and be counted. The politicians are counting on us to be passive and they will have their way with our pensions. Show them we are not a bunch of punks that will sit back and let them do as they please. It is your moneythey are trying to take away from you and your family. IT IS AN OLD SAYING BUT VERY TRUE "STAND UP AND BE COUNTED" GET INVOLVED AND SIGN UP FOR THE SPRINGFIELD PROTEST.
There are some wedsites that will send a stock non-threatening email to Senator Tom Cross of Oswego, and will calculate and send emails to your State Senatora and Rep.
I disgarded the stock email and send this one:
This is a THIRD RAIL ISSUE.
You and Rahm have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve.
(Cross sends the following when someone sends him an email on this)
“These pension funds are made up of a majority of taxpayer money, which is why it is so important that an accountable and appointed board be assembled to represent taxpayer interests.”
Once the money is in the Pension fund it belongs to the present and future pensioners.Not to the mayor and his cohorts to as their personal piggy bank.And has the past and present mayors contributed the proper amounts due to these funds.
Remember what happened to Dan Rostenkowski, that arrogant SOB slashed the Social Security Benefits earned by government
employees.He was chased out of meetings by angry seniors.He was surrounded by government employees and thought no one would blow the whistle on his dirty little scam with the Congressional Post Office and went to jail.
Again, this is a Third Rail Issue.
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Now I make this suggestion to the FOP and PB&PA:
Make a lot of noise down in Springfield but don’t go down there to just say “”NO! WE DON’T WANT THIS!”
From what I understand, and I do not know every thing about it
the New York City Police Department Pension System is in a lot better shape than ours.
It is funded 69% while ours is only 40%.All of their board members are police and all are elected by police offices and pensioners.
If we go down there and just say NO to this Cross bill the best we could do is maintain the status quo.
Well the status quo is not that great. Look at what Daley and his band of thieves have done in the past with the system the way it is. Remember when Daley wanted and got us to forgive a $25 million debt owed our Pension Fund, of our tax money to adjust the post 20 year of employment formula. Our biggest problem with this fund is the city does not pay it's bills and get to steal from the fund through bad deals they couldn't
put through anywhere else.
I suggest that we have our FOP and PB&PA lawyers quickly look at the NYPD plan and rewrite it for us.
Then go down to Springfield and say we don’t want the Cross plan we want this.It is based on the premisethat once the city pays it pension obligation it has no more right to that money just like when it pays any other bill.
Then we deliver the draft of this bill to our State Senators and Representatives in Springfield with a real stern warning about who they really work for.
Rahm will pressure them to ignore it and go for the Cross bill. But the fact that we stated we really want something else and that the real question,” Whose Money Is It?” may eventually have to be answered in court.
If we get this question into a Federal Court, outside of Cook County we probably could win
such a case.But we need to ask for something that removes the city’s influence from our control over our money PERIOD.
P.S. to the above.This Tom Cross bill would hand over control of the Pension Fund to Rahm Emanuel as Mayor of Chicago.Now who in their right mind would want him in their pocket?
There are thousands of men and women who after years of honorable service to the citizens of Chicago rely on their personal investment in that pension fund for their income.Many of those people no longer live in the city of Chicago and therefore can no longer vote for Mayor of Chicago who has all that power over their income and investments.Is this not an issue like “No Taxation Without Representation”?
All of the members of the pension board should be voted on by the present and future retirees.
What jury outside of Cook County wouldn't side with that, but we need to go on record asking for it.
The battle Cry fo this should be, "IT'S OUR MONEY!"
If the smelly, hirsute, hordes can exercise their 1st Amendment rights downtown we should be able to get an equal number to exercise our rights in Springfield. Minus the smelliness of course.
Deodorant, people, deodorant!
3000 to 4000 expected in Grant Park tonight to saddle up a take the horse.
No pension no peace!
9% a year contribution,
for government cheese!
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I would love to go, however I will be in Federal Court. I am very concerned about our pension, I am hoping more guys and gals do go.
Why is it that the judges are not getting their pensions fucked with????? They are government employees too.
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
10/22/2011 07:32:00 AM
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You are a REAL PUD!!
To all required to have your gas mask downtown check the filter to see when it expired. Most have expired and the city does not have any new ones. The expired ones won't work. Further when making an arrest at a protest put the name of the exempt member that gave the order for the arrest in report. CYA Be Safe
I can't see out of the shield on my Helmet where can I get a new one?
Ok, honestly tell me what the fuck is protesting and waving a bunch of signs going to do? Our politicians don't listen to us. This country is going down to the tubes.
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YES it does slick.
Last session we bombarded state senate and house represenatives thanks to : weareoneillinois.org
Why do you think they didnt pass it.
Go to the site again to speed dial your local politicians again:
www.weareoneillinois.org
C'mon, we all know it's a waste of time. Say what you want, FOP, but face the truth: Nation, State, City all out of money. This piece of shit 4-fingered ballerina runs everything in this city, including YOU, the FOP.
Occupy Springfield!!
THE WHOLE MAYORS OFFICE IS WATCHING.
Where's the solidarity??
Anonymous said...
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
10/22/2011 07:32:00 AM
Wrong, Dumb-fuckin Asshole, It's MORE important than EVER now.. Now go sit on your fat fuckin ass and watch the real police do your work as always.
FOP is not nearly aggressive enough on standing up to these pension-and tax stealing politicians. Have a Bus Trip, a Bar-b-que in Springfield, a meet up afterwards before leaving, and during that time, demand to speak to one of these prima-donna Illinois Politicians, as a group.
I have court; If I didn't, I would go. Coppers need to go. I remember when we had a picket/protest downtown some years back, I took advantage of the buses that took us downtown from the Area's. A whole bus and it was just me and two other officers. Riduclous right.
10/22/2011 12:55:00 PM
youre kidding, right? MISS COURT YOU FUCKING MORON!!! Whats the worst that can happen? A deviation? So fucking what! ITS OUR PENSION!!! and its spelled RIDICULOUS!!! Typical uneducated moron...and you wonder what is wrong with this department!
What time are they due back..I'd like to go but work afternoons..
Michael said...
sorry off topic:--- the occupy whatever screwballs will be going into grant park again tonite to once again challenge the 11pm park closing ordinance--- districts already short handed will lose the tac teams when they are called downtown to hold all of these dumb kids hands---- order the fire department to turn the hoses on and soak the fuck out of all these eggheads and do gooders if they won't leave the park at 2300 hrs....
10/22/2011 12:42:00 PM
I'm starting to feel kinship with these people and sorry if I don't share your opinion. We are part of the 99% and even if a few of them are "goofballs" at least they are showing some solidarity and involvement not like most police officers who won't even get on a bus to Springfield to protest getting fucked by these same politicians. I say leave them alone and let the ones who caused this problem deal with it! You won't catch me at the G8 going out of my way to lock people up for demonstrating their constitutional rights and voicing their dissatisfaction with the greedy bastards on Wall Street and our greedy politicians who sold us down the river...
Anonymous said...
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
10/22/2011 07:32:00 AM
Yeah, that's right, just give up and let them trample on our hard won rights. How's that apathy bit working out so far for you????
Anonymous said...
I agree get on the bus but shouldnt the FOP lobbyist be working the reps and senators to voye against these measures and maybe get a bill for reform introduced on our behalf? There are many parts to this battle.
10/22/2011 08:43:00 AM
FOP is working very hard on this.
I have court; If I didn't, I would go. Coppers need to go. I remember when we had a picket/protest downtown some years back, I took advantage of the buses that took us downtown from the Area's. A whole bus and it was just me and two other officers. Riduclous right.
10/22/2011 12:55:00 PM
Fuck court you fucking moron. Take the deviation and take a day. Would you rather lose your future(pension) or lose $200.00 for taking a day.
The money isn't there. You gave your votes to the Dems and they gave the money to the hated Link Card users while not funding the pension (and you kept voting for them). Things are changing and you aren't going to get the funding you sold yourselves out for.
SSC how Lon is the drive and what time does it return? Im working but im always down for a good protest I can't stand your Mayor!
what do you guys think of the residency rule now?
water bills will rise, car stickers, and we may not get a raise next contract! go after the residency if they change the rules for our pensions!
To all required to have your gas mask downtown check the filter to see when it expired. Most have expired and the city does not have any new ones. The expired ones won't work.
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Wrong. Unless you have actually USED your mask in a contaminated environment, it will be just fine. Don't be such a puss.
Ok, honestly tell me what the fuck is protesting and waving a bunch of signs going to do? Our politicians don't listen to us. This country is going down to the tubes.
To above poster:
People like you is what sometimes makes me ashamed to be an American, I bet you don't vote either, (our most valued right as an American), for the same lame excuses, you don't deserve the right to complain, you sir, are part of the problem and why Rahm continues to bully all those that disagree with his plans... because people like "you" will bitch and moan and do absolutely nothing when it comes time to take a stand/vote, because the sacrifices people have made for their right to vote means nothing to you.
Ot:
Wtf is with the Trib front page? Dragging another po through the mud. Take hours, days, weeks to criticize a decision an officer had maybe a half second to make. Shame on the liberal dead tree media. Afraid to see the comments, which I'm sure will be open.
Blogger Michael said...
sorry off topic:--- the occupy whatever screwballs will be going into grant park again tonite to once again challenge the 11pm park closing ordinance--- districts already short handed will lose the tac teams when they are called downtown to hold all of these dumb kids hands---- order the fire department to turn the hoses on and soak the fuck out of all these eggheads and do gooders if they won't leave the park at 2300 hrs....
10/22/2011 12:42:00 PM
You sound like an idiot. Sound real tough don't you? So you think we should get out the water canons or get physical with these people? Now imagine if the table was turned on us when we are protesting the cut of our pensions. That is why I said you sound like an idiot. I don't agree 100% with the occupy wall street protests. But I do agree with 40% of what they are saying and they have just as much right to effect change as you and I do. Their strategy is to cause the city to lose money and they are being very successful at it. I'll bet they are pissing Racoon Eyes off big time.
I'll be leaving town.
Check this out
http://41stwardcitizens.blogspot.com/2011_10_01_archive.html
Come May I just may cross the line and join the protesters.
I agree totally. We should all, as a group protest. Especially how we historically been screwed over by the Daley Family. BUT, I will not join Comrade Trunka, Hoffa or those seven month working liberal teachers, SIEU, who have been supporting the Commiecrats...Sorry
OT:
Just finished reading an article on the Sun-Times online covering the police brutality march downtown today and was shocked!
First of all there were only 25 marchers in this group, they were at the State Building and due to their pathetic turnout they joined up with the Occupy Chicago group (most of whom didn't accept this merge). Still the Sun Times covers this group of 25 instead of OC whose numbers were near 1000...
However, the shocking part is that 8/8 comments were pro-police. Being the Sun-Times I expected tons of their anti-police rats bashing us but instead they suggested this group go and march against the gangs. Was a small but nice surprise.
Remember what happened to Dan Rostenkowski, that arrogant SOB slashed the Social Security Benefits earned by government
employees.He was chased out of meetings by angry seniors.He was surrounded by government employees and thought no one would blow the whistle on his dirty little scam with the Congressional Post Office and went to jail.
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That showed him. Oh, wait a minute IT'S STILL THE LAW!!!!
This is why shit can't get done. Don't cry when they take your pension away....
You sound like an idiot. Sound real tough don't you? So you think we should get out the water canons or get physical with these people? Now imagine if the table was turned on us when we are protesting the cut of our pensions. That is why I said you sound like an idiot. I don't agree 100% with the occupy wall street protests. But I do agree with 40% of what they are saying and they have just as much right to effect change as you and I do. Their strategy is to cause the city to lose money and they are being very successful at it. I'll bet they are pissing Racoon Eyes off big time.
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You are a MORON. If we protest it will have to be lawful or we will be FIRED.If you believe in 40% of what they're saying (and I bet you don't know what they're saying other then you're jealous of rich people) then go out there. Don't be afraid. If you're afraid to get tough and enforce the laws then find another job. We don't need any more like you. You could never be trusted to have anyone's back.
soumds like a party if you do it right...
Fuck court you fucking moron. Take the deviation and take a day. Would you rather lose your future(pension) or lose $200.00 for taking a day.
10/22/2011 06:58:00 PM
It's a murder trial you ass fuck doosh bag and I'll be on the stand most of the day. not the one bag drop case that you have up in your branch court. you're passing judgement on a guy that goes to the fop meetings all the time, writes letters to my state senator and even to the president. I've been to both recent marches at city hall in past years. now go rub one off again dummy.
Seems the police not able to travel should have much more effective means to show support by a slow activity day here in the city. Much more media attention for sure and certainly grab the attention of elected state reps. Good luck
http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=2729§ion=Article
Interesting post: top Rahm aide and cousin of Richard M. had sweet CTA pension deal
Anonymous said...
Why is it that the judges are not getting their pensions fucked with????? They are government employees too.
Very simply, if the unions took these pension issues to court, the judges would certainly agree with them because judicial pensions would also be involved. No judge would ever rule that his pension should be diminished. Therefore, you would expect the judges to give unions a favorable ruling.
Now, with judges exempt from their pensions being reduced, they can rule on ours. The politicians in Springfield and Chicago will certainly tell them that they were excluded, and therefore, rule on behalf of the politicians.
Rahm and Madigan are two of the most deceitful and dishonest politicians I have ever seen.
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
10/22/2011 07:32:00 AM
They are trying to take control of the money WE put in for OUR pensions, get it?
Rep Tom Cross (nexis:law firm business w/ Chicago) and Darlene Sengrin (SP? don't have my notes, nexis:tens of thousands in campaign aid from Cross - bought and paid for) are Reps from Oswego and Naperville.
They, under the guise of reform and preventing double dipping (which is fine if they left it like that - but that's the smoke and mirror part) slipped in a little paragraph that lets the Mayor take full control of OUR pensions. This paragraph allows the Mayor 4 picks on the board to our three ELECTED picks. In short, the Mayor wins every time.
Does that explain it?
Nothing on the FOP website re this trip...??
Anonymous said...
What time are they due back..I'd like to go but work afternoons..
10/22/2011 06:01:00 PM
And you can't burn 3 hours for the cause if need be?? Yeah those 3 hrs equal about $100 in comparison to your PENSION!!!!
I'm on days burning 8.5, but if it helps save my pension, it's a mere drop in the bucket.
Idiot!!!
OH YES, let's remember Rostenkowski! He wasn't chased from office by seiors, the machine had him re-elected. Later Clinton pardoned him thereby reinstating his lucrative Federal pension. That prick did not suffer in this life, let's hope the afterlife has him shoveling shit in hell!
Rahm what do you perfer giving the city employee their pensions they paid for, or increasing the welfare rolls we paid for also but perfer not to go on?
To all required to have your gas mask downtown check the filter to see when it expired. Most have expired and the city does not have any new ones. The expired ones won't work.
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Just plain false. As a practical matter, they will last indefinitely if the filter remains in its sealed pouch.
The expiration date is like the expiration date on a car seat or most drugs. It is required for liability reduction purposes, but as a practical matter does not always mean all that much.
It is true that over very long periods (like multiple decades) of time the filter can become somewhat degraded for various reasons, but it will still work. In any case, for the few minutes of use they are typically needed, it does not matter all that much.
PS - I am not a cop but have a fair amount of knowledge in this area with far worse things than tear gas. Things like chlorine gas and hydrogen sulfide, things that will actually kill you in a few minutes of exposure. Tear gas is just a nuisance by comparison.
One thing you might want to seriously consider though. Even with masks it is not all that unusual to get a whiff of something nasty. If you wear contact lens, you probably will want to make sure that if you might need the mask that you make sure you have the lens inserts in the mask with your current prescription. And don't be wearing your contact lenses when there is any chance of tear gas, pepper spray, or mace being used.
I agree get on the bus but shouldnt the FOP lobbyist be working the reps and senators to voye against these measures and maybe get a bill for reform introduced on our behalf? There are many parts to this battle.
10/22/2011 08:43:00 AM
No doubt. You should be the quarterback. Sit at the keyboard and gripe stupid shit. Do you really think the legislature is going to consider ANY bill coming from labor at the veto session? Clown. Get on the bus and do your part, dummy.
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
Thanks for playing, Rahm
Ok, honestly tell me what the fuck is protesting and waving a bunch of signs going to do? Our politicians don't listen to us. This country is going down to the tubes.
They listen to $$$$
Research for the mainstream media Trib & Times
http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=2729§ion=Article
Emanuel aide/Daley relative with sweet pension deal
>>>Anonymous said...
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
10/22/2011 07:32:00 AM<<<
BULLSHIT!! There's plenty of money for the "New Americans" for the river boat houses, for raises for Rahm's people and on and on.
If you think it is such a waste if time just sign over your check to Rahm and go live under a bridge somewhere.
>>>Anonymous said...
would someone tell me what the fop alternative is to pension reform? it has to happen if it doesnt it will be insolvent in our lifetimes.
10/22/2011 12:30:00 PM<<<
It was suggested that instead of 4 appointed by Rahm and 3 elected by us we draft our own statute and present it where ALL members are elected by us. This is how NYPD and many other departments manage their pension funds.
Once the city pays its debt to the pension fund it is no longer the city's money. Rahm want to be able to call it back in no interest loans and bad deals no bank would touch with a ten foot pole.
Why should Rahm have any say at all in our pension fund. We should just get good financial managers and stay away from bad deals like what will come from the city when G-8 and NATO bills come due.
We should offer an alternative statute so if this gets into a court battle at some time we can say what we want. Otherwise the best we could do is to maintain the status quo and as you know under the Daleys we haven't done too well with that. An all elected board by the current and future retirees who have a stake in this fund are the only ones who should have a say on who is in that board.
Stay safe, the battle cry for this action should be, IT'S OUR MONEY!
>>>Anonymous said...
Remember what happened to Dan Rostenkowski, that arrogant SOB slashed the Social Security Benefits earned by government
employees.He was chased out of meetings by angry seniors.He was surrounded by government employees and thought no one would blow the whistle on his dirty little scam with the Congressional Post Office and went to jail.
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That showed him. Oh, wait a minute IT'S STILL THE LAW!!!!
10/22/2011 11:45:00 PM<<<
Obama, Durban and Hilary Clinton as senator all signed on years ago to legislation which would restore the Social Security bebefits we EARNED. But this was just an empty shell of a law that never went anywhere.
That's why it's important to not loose hard won benefits in the first place.
P.S. That SOB Rosti still collected his full congressional pension even while he was in Club Fed.
Anonymous said...
Fuck court you fucking moron. Take the deviation and take a day. Would you rather lose your future(pension) or lose $200.00 for taking a day.
10/22/2011 06:58:00 PM
It's a murder trial you ass fuck doosh bag and I'll be on the stand most of the day. not the one bag drop case that you have up in your branch court. you're passing judgement on a guy that goes to the fop meetings all the time, writes letters to my state senator and even to the president. I've been to both recent marches at city hall in past years. now go rub one off again dummy.
10/23/2011 04:00:00 AM
You sound like a cowardly hairgel making up BS excuses. You have never locked up a homicide offender! This trial and your testimony, just happen to popup on the same day, that you would be inconvenienced going to Springfield.
I call BS!!!
Nobody goes, nobody cares if there is a pension. This also shows that Shields is a very weak leader with minimal charisma and no RESPECT!
The CPD of today is all about MEMEMEME, there is no UNITY or COMRADERIE!
Bunch of pussies that talk shit!
Anonymous said...
Waste of time. The nation, the state and the city are broke. If there's no money, there's no money.
10/22/2011 07:32:00 AM
Bullshit! The politicians are wasting millions of taxpayer dollars every year. All they have to do is stop paying the ghetto rats and the illegals and the state would be back in the black in a couple years. But no, the Dems in charge continue to sell us out for the votes of non-working leeches. I hate this corrupt state.
The city is going down the tubes because only 8,000 people showed up to vote last year and this asshole snuck into office on name recognition of being obams boy...now we're stuck with him...since the press won t call him on his bs and the aldermen are afraid of him, who will stand up for us if we don't stand up for ourselves. pd, fd and teachers should unite and have a show of force against this guy....he's going to keep screwing with all of us....
Force all exempt clouted command staff to retire at last rank that they passed a test for , no pensions for merit rank of sgt , lt , capt or commander . That would reduce current supervisor pensions by over 30 % . Think about it . How many patrolman scored better on a sgt test than many of our merit command staff.
It's a murder trial you ass fuck doosh bag and I'll be on the stand most of the day. not the one bag drop case that you have up in your branch court. you're passing judgement on a guy that goes to the fop meetings all the time, writes letters to my state senator and even to the president. I've been to both recent marches at city hall in past years. now go rub one off again dummy.
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Good job making your point there office! This response made me laugh my ass off.
"ass fuck doosh bag ". fucking beautiful.
thanks for the laugh
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You are a MORON. If we protest it will have to be lawful or we will be FIRED.If you believe in 40% of what they're saying (and I bet you don't know what they're saying other then you're jealous of rich people) then go out there. Don't be afraid. If you're afraid to get tough and enforce the laws then find another job. We don't need any more like you. You could never be trusted to have anyone's back.
10/23/2011 12:26:00 AM
Hey tough guy, why did the exempts wait two hours before starting any arrests? They begged the leaders to please move from Grant Park? Is that effective leadership? Take your water cannons and shove it. No one cares and we do not have any exempts with nerve to enforce the law. Enforce the law at 2300 hrs not 0100 hrs. You must be a real joy to work with.
About a year or so ago, a bill was signed into law that required municipalities to begin making large contributions to underfunded pensions in order to bring the funding level of these pension funds up and reverse the downward trend the funds were on. The city would be on the hook for hundreds of millions in higher contributions as a result of this law which was to commence around 2015. However, there was a provision included in this law which allowed the individual pension boards to vote to opt out of this requirement. This now brings us to this latest bill introduced by Tom Cross which affects only the pension boards here in Chicago and Cook County. By giving the majority on the boards to the appointees of 9.5 and Preckwinkle, the question is how do you think the boards would vote on whether or not to let the individual pension funds opt out of the requirement for the additional funding? I believe we already know the answer to that question if it should come to pass. Call your representatives and let them know your view on this issue before its too late!
Anonymous said...
OT. Watch out for RT Development, they are scamers and will take money and run for home improvement work. The owner is Anthony Pinzine (IDOC #m10502).They prey on the elderly and anyone elese who has money. BEWARE!!!!!!!
10/22/2011 08:40:00 AM
and on the west side(011/015)
watch out for those claiming to be Moors. They are also muscling people out of their homes. They also claim to be from the Moorish Police and are there to 'investigate' a violation of Moorish Law.
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to those you stop with the last name of BEY.
This is a common name used by Moors as a code word and catch phrase.
They are very quietly operating in these impoverished districts. We uncovered and shut one down(David Ali/Farr) in 019 a year or so back.They claim diplomatic immunity from US laws including DL,ID or registrations and have a very smooth line. GIU and OCD are also aware of this but keep alert at the street level to the red flags that pop on these people.
Rahm has put a bullseye on our pension. He feels that our maximum % of 75% is too much he wants it lowered to 65%!
Hey Rahm GFY! It's easy to take that stance when you've got friends in high places that drop $18 million dollar deals in your lap huh? You're so far out of touch with the common people you claim to represent that you make me sick.
I believe in Karma Rahm and you're due a wicked payback.
Anonymous said...
So good thing 19 is closing....an Insane Deuce got shot in Hamlin Park yesterday.....and some point after the Deuces tagged the side of the 19 station!!
10/22/2011 02:08:00 PM
A deuce?
They still exist?
Vega still calling the shots for those losers?
If you are able to go, please go!
To the people who have court, are single parents or have any other bullshit excuses why they can't go to Springfield:
If you needed to refinance your home and this was the only date available you would find a way to get there as it was saving you money, but you can't find your way to Springfield to preserve your life savings, brilliant. The quote should be re-written that for every 100 Chicago Police Officers, there are 90 that don't give a fuck, 8 that will come up with any excuse not to go to the fight and 2who live for the fight and will fight to the end. So until we start getting more than 200 members out of 10000 at the FOP meetings nothing will change. Coppers will continue to talk tough and critisize the FOP and bitch about losing benefits but will not get any skin in the game by getting involved and Rahm knows it. He's counting on you to continue to be the lazy, do nothing loud mouth, to busy to get involved, to important to get involved person that you are and he will bend you over and stick it in you big bad ass. From one of the 200 that will not take it in the ass without a fight.
On Copyline.com is says that Senator Tom Cross (again from Oswego) is putting up HB 3827
now get this....
are you ready...
...to protect the taxpayers of Chicago from (cops) "double-dipping" the pension fund.
L-O-L
An Illinois politician says this!?
How many double dippers are there?
Military pension and police pension?
Police pension and teacher pension?
Police pension and NABET/CWA pension?
As far as I am concerned if you paid your dues, like Social Security, if you earned it, it is yours.
To Mr Cross and Darlene J. Senger.
The fact is that all of the money going into police and fire pension plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the workers. The fact is that the Police and Fire unions negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions. Since the Chicago police and fire collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact. So when you start talking about transparency for the taxpayers Mr Cross and talk about "These pension funds are made up of a majority of taxpayer money" you are absolutely incorrect, these funds are our money the majority 66% is deferred compensation or pay and 33% is our contribution. Maybe you should have considered introducing legislation that calls for an elected position of Inspector General for Chicago and also an elected inspector general for Cook County. Someone that would be allowed to hire their own staff of secretaries and investigators who would have subpoena powers, powers of arrest and be able to investigate any corruption period. Then you would be thinking of the taxpayers jerkoff.
To Mr Cross and Darlene J. Senger.
The fact is that all of the money going into police and fire pension plans belongs to the workers because it is part of the compensation of the workers. The fact is that the Police and Fire unions negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions. Since the Chicago police and fire collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan. This is an indisputable fact. So when you start talking about transparency for the taxpayers Mr Cross and talk about "These pension funds are made up of a majority of taxpayer money" you are absolutely incorrect, these funds are our money, the majority 66% is deferred compensation or pay and 33% is our contribution. Maybe you should have considered introducing legislation that calls for an elected position of Inspector General for Chicago and also an elected inspector general for Cook County. Someone that would be allowed to hire their own staff of investigators who would have subpoena powers, powers of arrest and be able to investigate pension misappropriations, elected officials and any corruption period. Then you would be thinking of the taxpayers jerkoff. The Chicago Police pension fund formerly known as “Policemen's Annuity and Benefit Fund of Chicago” has had 4 Mayoral appointees and 4 elected members that are annuitants since its inception. It has been plagued by bad investments that were tied to politically connected firms who have lost our entire investment or performed below the average of the rest of the money managers while collecting the same fees as the better performing funds. All influenced by former mayors. We don’t want any political influence regarding our money like one of the Mayors current appointees Stephanie Neely who voted to hire a fund who made campaign donations to her while running for Treasure of the City of Chicago or Vanecko, the mayors nephew, who lost our entire investment and also victimized other city of Chicago pension funds. We have 2 active police officers for every retiree and our fund is 40% funded. New York’s Police pension fund is 69% funded and it only has 1.2 active officers for every retiree. How you ask? Their pension board consists of 8 annuitants and 4 Mayoral appointees. People who are the owners tend to watch over their money a little better than someone who views other people’s money as a vehicle to reward their friends. Our current mayor is hell bent on destroying our pension fund and your legislation is proof positive that this ruthless bastard will stop at nothing to accomplish his goals. Now we know your real colors and I will personally work to see that you are defeated is your next election.
of course our pension fund is fucked!
We are short over 1000 officers THAT SOULD BE PAYING INTO OUR PENSION FUND.
The city RARELY IF EVER makes its payments into the pension fund.
The city and the Union made a deal several years ago to allow us to retire 4 years earlier, with the same benefits, if WE forgave the city for the XX millions that they owed the UNDERFUNDED pension. WHO DID THE FUCKING MATH ON THAT DEAL?
The city still collects tax revenue for those officers it refuses to hire. How about the CITY, at the very least, make the necessary pension contributions for those "ghost" officers, that our pension depends on. The city still comes our well ahead.
How about the city put some of that "medical insurance rebate" money towards our pension (thats the 20-30 percent kick-back the city gets from BCBS every year, as a "bulk discount" based on our numbers).
The city wants our "duty availibility" check...fine, take it, MATCH IT, and PUT ALL OF THOSE MONIES INTO OUR PENSION FUND, until it is fully funded, then give it back. I would be willing to do that, for me, those who have gone before me, and those who will follow me. (and kill the rule about our not being allowed to be intoxicated off-duty, because I wont be "on-call").
Max pension for cpd will be 65 % for police officers with less than 20 years on June 30 , 2013 .
That's the latest rumor from da hall.
hairgel just signed up!
what are we doing for lunch?
20% of the work done by tact and special teams, really? Tact and area teams do a lot less than the patrol car. No accountability, 2 hr. lunch, start and end times when you want. No answering jobs, do reports. You are a burden sucking in overtime.
The bill authored by Rep. Cross from Oswego is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the law that was passed by the legislature in Springfield forcing the city to live up to its obligations and bring the Chicago Police Pension Fund up to 90% in 30 years. Since its passage the city has introduced several bills attempting to water the bill down by extending the 90% target date to 50 years and failing in that attempt 40 years. Some of the citys legal minds have found a loophole that renders the law ineffective if the pension board does not request that the citys sales tax revenue be witheld if the city does not provide the funding that an appointed pension actuary says is necessary to reach that 90% funding level.
Rep. Cross who's district is in Kendall and Will County has no Fire and Police agencys in his district that will be effected by this bill (HB 3827), yet he had chosen to champion this cause. He claims that it would be in the best interest of the Police Pension to have the Mayor of Chicago be in control of how our funds are invested.... Has he never heard of the former Mayor's Nephew by the Name of Vaneko. All the Mayor's appointed Trustee's voted to give the Mayor's Nephew over 15 million which is now lost.
Over all the city pension fund I believe the mayor's Nephew got over 62 million which again was soon lost. Is Rep. too young to remember former Mayor Harold Washington's attempt to use the Police and Fire Pension funds to fund low income housing. Does anyone doubt what a financial disaster that would have been ?
If the Mayor had a permanent 4-3 majority that would have been passed and our fund would be in even more trouble. Rep. Cross wants you to give control he says to the Mayor who will better invest our funds, this being the same Mayor who has such a short memory that he can't even remember his involvement, as President O'Bama's Chief of Staff, in the disasterous Cylindra scandel that cost the American Taxpayers over 500 million ! yes Rep. Cross this is the man that needs to be in charge of our Pension Funds.
Who are you kidding Rep. Cross from Oswego. I am sure down the road we will find out what kind of deal has been struck between you the republican House Leader and our new Mayor, O'Bama's former Chief of staff. How does the republican National committee feel about yor cozy deal with Rahm ?
FOP members politicians only fear
our votes. We must show them that we are a force (voting Block) to be
reconed with. I can not stress the importance of defeating this bill.
This bill will influence many things including future cost of living increases. If there is any way that you can get on these busses down to Springfield to show
our strength I urge you to do so, even if you have to miss a day of work on your side job or a Dr. appointment etc. If not instead of showing these politicians our strength we show them our weakness.
To make it as convenient as we can to get you to come out and stand with us, we have arrainged to have a bus leave from the 22nd District at 8:00 am.
Please call FOP at 312 733-7776
and say you will stand with us down in Springfield, We need to put on a show of strength.
Your Pension hangs in the balance.
Rick King
FOP Trustee
"What's the phone number again?"
312-733-7776
Anonymous said...
What time are they due back..I'd like to go but work afternoons..
10/22/2011 06:01:00 PM
And you can't burn 3 hours for the cause if need be?? Yeah those 3 hrs equal about $100 in comparison to your PENSION!!!!
I'm on days burning 8.5, but if it helps save my pension, it's a mere drop in the bucket.
Idiot!!!
10/23/2011 09:20:00 AM
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well said brother.... i'm on afternoons and am burning up 8.5 also. FUCK YOU YOU IDIOT !!!. IT'S OUR PENSION. USE /LOSE THE 8.5 HOURS or TAKE 3 ON THE FRONT LIKE THE BROTHER SAID OR YOU'LL BE STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN AFTER RETIREMNET AND THERE WONT BE ANY $$$ DOUSCHE BAG !!
+1 & Ditto!
GET ON THE MUTHAFUCKIN' BUS!
Go to Springfield and show that 9.5 & Madigan are the biggest cowards to shit between two shoes for putting suburban legislators up to this exercise in fuckery just so they can stand around like dude on the corner...
"Huh? Who me? I ain't did shit ossifer!"
If they can't steal it, fuck it or eat it, they'll break it so nobody else can benefit from it. Namely our pension. What a laugh... They vote themselves sweet bumps, increases and flit from elected post to elected post getting two and three six figure pensions while inflaming sentiment against "greedy union members & their fat pensions." (the new political buzz words of the 2010's)
Perhaps we desperately need a Quaddafi type "Arab Spring" incident here since the criminal-political class thinks it's cute and funny to STEAL FROM POLICEMEN!
Perhaps they count on The Policeman's love of order and "playing by the rules" to serve as a buffer between them and true justice?
See you all there!
I have court tmrw and work after that. I guess I'm an asshole as you say because I'm not going. You say take the deviation and lets say I did, well what do I do about work? Should I go AWOP? You shouldn't pass judgement on officers that want to go but can't. Here's another thing; regarding the 3 buses that are planning on heading down tommorow. Well guess what Springfield did, they did the deed today instead of tommorow to avoid the defensive move by fop and officers planned for tommorow.
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