How Many Retirements?
Talked to a friend who managed to hang onto his spot in Personnel. According to him, over 1,500 people have either retired or have announced their intention to retire during the 2011 calendar year.
1,500 and some change. Meanwhile, how many recruits have gone through the Academy in the past 3 years?
That manpower thing we've discussed here for years is coming around to bite us.
1,500 and some change. Meanwhile, how many recruits have gone through the Academy in the past 3 years?
That manpower thing we've discussed here for years is coming around to bite us.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
74 Comments:
It's called creating a crisis that should not be allowed to go to waste.
50 recruits just started... possibly 50 more starting in december.. hooray, were saved! so the thousand he "put back on the beat" is just covering retirements... except its still 500 short, in just one year! now watch for the new phenomenon which is already starting. The lock up positions(which usually guys with 25 plus years work lock up) are not going back on the street, instead they are retiring. so look for another hundred or so more to retire just by getting rid of the lock up positions. what a joke. no more are to be hired in 2012. another 800 -1200 projected to retire in 2012. 2013=were fu*ked!!!!
Close to four hundred put in (so far) for the remaining ten weeks of the year.
So far... surely, there are even more to come.
Not just that but how many more in 2012? 2013? The big chiefs of police conference is in Chicago as we write. Wonder how their departments are fairing? Cut the police! Cut the vehicles! Have shit radios! Fuck with the hard working coppers pensions as the criminal pols steal everything! Check! Welcome to the criminal state/county/city of ours!
Can your ..."friend who managed to hang onto his spot in Personnel"..get us some accurate numbers.
Memo to Mr. Garry McCarthy...
Please have these numbers with you at ALL times. If you come to a meeting in our community you will be asked and and I don't know or we are not here to discuss that will be infuriate the crowd and cause you much distess.
Can't blame the rats for abandoning a ship that began seriously listing to the side when J-Fled took over early in '08. The engine room appears to still be completely submerged, and not even that new CFD tugboat at the CPD/Coast Guard boathouse wants to pull our raggedy ship into a harbor for repairs....so be it. It will take a while before the CPD recovers from the totally unacceptable onslaught of politics brought upon it during the infamous WEISel/Masters X3 regime.
In his last few years, Shortshanks turned just about
everything he touched into ratshit. Most of us recent retirees refer to the last 3 years of the CPD as 'The Lost Years.' A rudderless ship. And we still have yet to find our direction.
51 sergeants signed up to retire by 31 December.
That will be over 100 sergeants retired for 2011.
It will bring sergeants down to about 1110-1115 in manpower for 9171s.
1500 hundred retirements this year plus you can look forward to another 100-200 retirements the result of the combining districts and areas.
Many of the personal in involved districts and areas will opt for retirement rather than go across the city to work
All beat cars going 99 come 2012??????? psst.........
Thanks Jody, Thanks Gary, this once proud and excellent department has run aground. Neither of you has had the least bit of inclination to husband this agency by hiring and promoting. It is a travesty that you are content to let it bleed out. Don't call yourselves anything but 'hatchet man' for the politicians. Or do I mean 'carpet bagger?'
Many will retire in January also.
A lot of people from 001 fit this group. There's a whole bunch of folks retiring within the next year. We're already running 99 units on our beat cars and they're going to double the size of 001 three months from now when we absorb part of 021. We are seriously f^#ked! Hell, we can't even man all the cars in the first place and there's only 10 stinkin' beats in 001. We haven't seen one single rapid car up for over 5 years now!
So, let's see... 8 or 9 one-man cars covering an area that has a million people packed into less than 2 square miles.
Would that be a recipe for disaster???
Yeah, you could probably say that.
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Officers are going to retire just to get the hell out!
If I had the the time and age, me too!
They had a big hiring spree in the 80's and they are all retiring in the near future. We're not only going to be short of help, we're all older than we were and very few young officers are being hired.
No one in their right mind would invite Anarchy and Destruction into our streets and expect Criminally Undermanned, Criminally Unequiped, and Criminally Neglected Professionals to contain it. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
The whole Summit situation smacks of an agenda to humiliate the CPD by members of an Elitist Leftist ideology. No one has explained the upside to hosting a disaster in the making.
Aldermen Call for Hearings on Police Staffing
http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/aldermen-call-for-hearings-on-police-staffing/
There are around 75 - 9161's with over 30 years on the job as of last week.
There is a class of 49 recruits in the academy, so relax, help is on the way. On November 16th, a class of 100 detention aides will start training so relax. That is 150 more officers on the street using Rahm's math. Rham has plans to hire 50 more recruits in 2012 to keep up with retirements. So relax and trust in Rham's new math. We are sooo screwed next May.
Its wonderful to be one of those retirees in 2011 ~ I retired in August and am soooooooo HAPPY!!!
actual numbers:
sworn: 8500
detectives: 750
example: 20 officers detailed out counted in the unit their from and the unit assigned, if moved from the unit detailed too also count in the new unit. So a det from, say a3, deatiled to gang intel now in supes office is now counted in 3units! Love this new math
Maybe The CPD will just disappear one day when the last guy retires.
Please turn off the lights when you walk out the door.
Tiny Dancer wants a 9000 member department. He wants give backs. He wants to gut our pension. He wants 12 hour shifts. He wants us to do more with less – a lot less. All he will accomplish is to decimate the departments manpower and moral. Exponentially increase members apathy. Cause crime rates to rise (but that will be covered up with smoke & mirrors and fraud). And worse, get officers hurt and killed (God forbid).
This is all so Tiny Dancer can pad his political resume. After all is said and done, Tiny Dancer will move on to bigger political things and the standard of living for most officers and citizens of shitcago will have substantially declined.
Free health care at 55 will be gone next contract . Every one will be forced to stay until 60.
But McNutty won't ask Rahm for more officers until he feels the department is operating at utmost efficiency. Huh??
We're paper thin right now. You can liken the department to a rubber band being stretched. You know what happens to a rubber band that's stretched too often or too far? That's right eventually it snaps and breaks!
Everything is fine though. Rahm and McNutty keep telling the sheeple that we have enough officers and that crime is down. If McNutty really used to be the police he's certainly sold his soul to be Rahms puppet/hatchet man.
Remember, it is all about public safety. Dope McCarthy is dutifully scrubbing the balls of Emanuel. He can't ask for more officers until every current officer is being fully utilized, that is, we are all walking around with brooms stuck up our ass so we can sweep as we walk.
There r only 39 in the academy now.
If you got any more than 20 years or over ten years on and over 50 years old ,you had better learn to do something. I pitty the fool who put all his eggs into this stupid basket. Get it through your heads ,they don't want the police anymore,ever realize that the GED metermaids are starting to look more and more like the police. This is not by accident. Pretty soon I predict that one of them will be assassinated just because his uniform looked too much like the police. Then his family will sue the shit out of the city and rightly so for dressing him up that way. This CPD thing is over. Stand By.
Tiny Dancer 9.5 has a secret plan !
Replace all the police officers (except dick & maggies body guards/valets, da mayers detail, and good old Eddie Burkes butlers) with Cameras, and get a healthy rebate from the vendor to put into his pocket. He'll also keep 13,500 sworn police officers in the city budget and find something shitty to blow that payroll on.
Racoon Eyes rahm is only here for the money !!!!!
"So, let's see... 8 or 9 one-man cars covering an area that has a million people packed into less than 2 square miles.
Would that be a recipe for disaster???
Yeah, you could probably say that.
.
10/22/2011 02:00:00 AM"
Ummmmmmm, I wouldn't say thaaaaaat.
Chalkie
I dont believe for one second that 1500 will retire. Sounds like a made up number from the guy in personnel. How many po's on the job have 25 years and over and are they all going to retire. For the last few years there haven't been 500 retiring each year
I call this one BS
"It's called creating a crisis that should not be allowed to go to waste.
10/22/2011 12:03:00 AM"
Waste not, Want not.
Chalkie
How many are going to retire, or get hurt "on the job", prior to the G8 and Nato summits?
all one man cars is a distinct possibility---
Many will retire in January also.
10/22/2011 01:52:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
A lot of people from 001 fit this group. There's a whole bunch of folks retiring within the next year. We're already running 99 units on our beat cars and they're going to double the size of 001 three months from now when we absorb part of 021. We are seriously f^#ked! Hell, we can't even man all the cars in the first place and there's only 10 stinkin' beats in 001. We haven't seen one single rapid car up for over 5 years now!
So, let's see... 8 or 9 one-man cars covering an area that has a million people packed into less than 2 square miles.
Would that be a recipe for disaster???
Yeah, you could probably say that.
.
10/22/2011 02:00:00 AM
Double the size of 001?? You must be joking. You'll be picking up Chinatown!!
Our manpower shortage should be called a Crisis. Racoon eye and McNutty need to stop with all the lies and all the bullshit. Shame on both of them.
The current Mayor and his NYPD bitch aim to destroy what is left. The CPD will never recover from this dynamic duo. If you have enough time to go then be smart and look for some side jobs to supplement your retirement and keep you busy. This job will give you ulcers if you care.
Don't forget the 1400 "phantom officers" that Rahman took off the books.
I call it putting some skin in the game....are the aldermen listening?????
Suburban Police dept. have been working 1 man for years . Have 1 man beat cars for paper jobs , a few 2 man cars per district and 1 wagon per sector . Doing more with less . Start to require Beat Integrity , quit sending cars from tax paying sectors to other sectors for their BS domestic baby mam daddy drama.
Department has no openings for bidding yet 18 cars were down on
1st watch today. Saturday 22Dec11.
013 down 3
014 down 3
016 down 3
017 down 3
019 down 2
020 down 2
023 down 2
....and I'm out here getting in foot chases? Not!
To the 50 new recruits don't buy a home in the city rent. if you buy you will see in 5 years you made 2 mistakes 1. buying a home in the city 2. Becoming a Chicago Police Officer.
QUALITY CONTROL SAYS.... (sarcasm here Gents...)
Well someone decided More with Less as it was deemed that the "DOGS or Wastes of Spaces" in units or inside that were not on the streets backing, should now be backing up us hard chargers!
So as much as Jody and Garry may be the blame for the mass exodus and jocking around....if you take a step back and analyze the "moving the insides out" maybe that internal cleansing or enema per se is what was needed...MAYBE.. ...
Oh and how we complained and bitched about those inside and scamming all those spotsin the past! (yes we did)
Sorry I'm not "ANTI-" the pro policing I am just looking at it from an objective view and I do realize its shorting us in the pension area and on the street!
We are now a business like Motorola....not the "connected clouted neighborhood organization that a phone call could hide you job" anymore!
We once were that and then you could get away with being drunk and stupid on or off duty but not anymore.
In other words this is serious job now. And those in charge are going to instill this Quality Control to impress the upper management with how they can do more with less while showing it doesn't harm or reflect in the numbers of production!
Signed
Master of the Obvious
Unit 666
Free health care at 55 will be gone next contract . Every one will be forced to stay until 60.
10/22/2011 10:01:00 AM
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Nobody 'has' to stay. Line up a job in private industry that has health care coverage (or start a business), live off the new salary and bank the pension check.
I can't wait to see the look of terror on Rahm's face when he run's into a culvert to hide and the people pull him out and beat him with there sandals.
I have a simple solution for the Occupy Chicago Nitwits, we have the right to water our grass and hose down our dirty pavement. All it will take is one CFD Aerial Ladder. In addition memberrs of the CPD should be passing out information about an alternate spot to protest of someone who profited from the Freddie/Fannie craziness abd provide them the home address of Rahm Emanuel the quintessential hypocrite.
What do you expect when CPD and the City treats so many good Coppers like SHIT ? NOBODY, but Nobody, has ANY pride in this organization anymore, no should they. This place is all about trash and burn politics, selling promotions, promotions by nepotism, political favoritism, and on and on and on. Only a real goof would believe this place is legitimate, it's as phony as the day is long, but the Chicakens are coming home to roost, and Americ WILL be restored in nov. 2012, and the Communist Bastard in the White House will be gone, and so will his Democommunist Regime. Crookago will be the next to be massively overhauled, from Top to Bottom.
Speaking of shit radios. If you are using a Saber radio you can not transmit on the Zone frequencies. CW only. Be aware of that when you are calling for another car, they dont hear you.
Good. Another useless rank. Collecting 1/2 hour a day for do nothing is criminal.
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51 sergeants signed up to retire by 31 December.
That will be over 100 sergeants retired for 2011.
It will bring sergeants down to about 1110-1115 in manpower for 9171s.
No one in their right mind would invite Anarchy and Destruction into our streets and expect Criminally Undermanned, Criminally Unequipped, and Criminally Neglected Professionals to contain it. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
10/22/2011 06:48:00 AM
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Ya think?
From abc7: "Mayor Rahm Emanuel lobbied his old boss, President Barack Obama, hard to land the summit."
"It's an opportunity for the City of Chicago, economically but also as a message internationally, why Chicago is a city that's on the move. That if you're thinking of investing, Chicago is a place to invest," Emanuel said.
Knowing the security challenges financially, Emanuel is hoping to get private donors to help supplement the city's resources. "
And from Fox: "That's going to be a huge deal, with world leaders gathering for both summits in Chicago in May 2012, along with perhaps hundreds of thousands of protesters." "Previous G8 Summits have attracted protesters and terrorists; during the 2005 summit, terrorists blew up bombs on London underground trains, killing 52 civilians and injuring 700 people."
They had a big hiring spree in the 80's and they are all retiring in the near future.
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That's us! Adios!
Double the size of 001?? You must be joking. You'll be picking up Chinatown!!
10/22/2011 12:43:00 PM
"Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."
07:51 At least your being realistic 75 po's with over 30 years, add some bosses, but its still a far cry from 1500 retiring and thats if all the 75 retire. Any po with over 30 years on is staying for 2 reasons, one they cant afford to retire or number two, they dont want to retire. My bet is not 25 of those 75 will retire next year
Scc I just don't know about 1500the seeing as there has been only 232thing retirements through july of this year.
Jan 2011--45
Feb 2011--37
Mar 2011--30
Apr 2011--36
May 2011--35
Jun 2011--22
Jul 2011--27
Total 232 these numbers are facts and in order to hit the 1500 number that would mean you would need to average 211 retirements a month from august to december. Although I would love to see the senior officers send a collective Fuck you to the city. The numbers just don't seem realistic, but if the numbers do end up being right then god help the real citizens of chicago who pays taxes.
I dont believe for one second that 1500 will retire. Sounds like a made up number from the guy in personnel. How many po's on the job have 25 years and over and are they all going to retire. For the last few years there haven't been 500 retiring each year
I call this one BS
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I would not be to fast to call BS on this when you factor the medical at 55 being on its last leg and the state of our pension. I think everyone with the time and age will be locking in on these benefits before they are both impacted by mayor twinkle toes.
Up my senority RETIRE!! Go Fudge yourself
I dont believe for one second that 1500 will retire. Sounds like a made up number from the guy in personnel. How many po's on the job have 25 years and over and are they all going to retire. For the last few years there haven't been 500 retiring each year
I call this one BS
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I agree. They were uncertain of getting 100 55 & 20 by Oct. 1.
50 recruits started the academy? How many were cadets or did they fuck those kids over by lying to them and telling them that they would be hired first?
If free health care at 55 is gone in the next contract so will free health care at 60 so if your counting on free health you will have to stay till 63
"Anonymous said...
There is a class of 49 recruits in the academy, so relax, help is on the way. On November 16th, a class of 100 detention aides will start training so relax. That is 150 more officers on the street using Rahm's math. Rham has plans to hire 50 more recruits in 2012 to keep up with retirements. So relax and trust in Rham's new math. We are sooo screwed next May.
10/22/2011 08:52:00 AM"
Rahm's math: When those two HUGE midnight lock-up keepers in our district hit the street he will count them as three.
>>>Knowing the security challenges financially, Emanuel is hoping to get private donors to help supplement the city's resources. "
And from Fox: "That's going to be a huge deal, with world leaders gathering for both summits in Chicago in May 2012, along with perhaps hundreds of thousands of protesters." "Previous G8 Summits have attracted protesters and terrorists; during the 2005 summit, terrorists blew up bombs on London underground trains, killing 52 civilians and injuring 700 people."
10/22/2011 06:49:00 PM<<<
Just like Daley, only worse.
Rahm will spend more on the contractors/campaign contributors who will build the memorials to the victims of the disaster, which will be us; than he will caring for the needs of the of the injured and the sick from that disaster which will be us.
Start making your own plan for your family if this thing really goes bad and the ability of the city to support life if seriously compromised.
I saw the 50 at the academy last week. Fast baby-men and midget chicks. Start praying.
07:51 At least your being realistic 75 po's with over 30 years, add some bosses, but its still a far cry from 1500 retiring and thats if all the 75 retire. Any po with over 30 years on is staying for 2 reasons, one they cant afford to retire or number two, they dont want to retire. My bet is not 25 of those 75 will retire next year
This is true, you can look it up on Clear, run a senority check for all 9161's. My district has 2 P.O.'s that have to retire due to age in 2012. I didn't run Sgt's but they seem to stay a bit longer. There might be a few that don't have the age "55" but remember that some guys still live pay check to pay check, have been divorced 3 times and some may just be scared to leave.
If you got any more than 20 years or over ten years on and over 50 years old ,you had better learn to do something. I pitty the fool who put all his eggs into this stupid basket. Get it through your heads ,they don't want the police anymore,ever realize that the GED metermaids are starting to look more and more like the police. This is not by accident. Pretty soon I predict that one of them will be assassinated just because his uniform looked too much like the police. Then his family will sue the shit out of the city and rightly so for dressing him up that way. This CPD thing is over. Stand By.
10/22/2011 11:51:00 AM
What are talking about dummy? Its you guys with less time that should really be worried. But it sounds like you have it figured out. Better put that degree in brain surgery to work for ya pal.
Down in POs. Down in Sgts. Down in Dets. Down in Lts. Bottom line, POs ranks will be even thinner if promotions are ever made up the ranks. Can run 99 in the burbs but not in Chicago, animals won't allow it. The pols and McCarthy don't care about the safety of the POs. Back each other up and go home to your families.
One step forward
Four steps back!
True to the "Chicago Way"
Anonymous said...
Speaking of shit radios. If you are using a Saber radio you can not transmit on the Zone frequencies. CW only. Be aware of that when you are calling for another car, they dont hear you.
10/22/2011 06:24:00 PM
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8 coppers just laid off in a small suburb up north near Great America, Kildeer .
I'm less than 18 mos. away from joining the KMA club. With Rahm and McNutty continuously sabotaging the department the time can't go fast enough. When these 2 ass hats are done with the department they could make Shanks and JFraud seem not so bad. Who would've ever thought that was possible??
Actually, 001 isn't just getting Chinatown. The new boudaries will now go to 31st street, from Chinatown all the way east to the lake. That means the Dearborn homes will now be in the 1st district. Goodbye Ickes! Helloooo Dearborns!!
Department has no openings for bidding yet 18 cars were down on
1st watch today. Saturday 22Dec11.
013 down 3
014 down 3
016 down 3
017 down 3
019 down 2
020 down 2
023 down 2
....and I'm out here getting in foot chases? Not!
10/22/2011 03:43:00 PM
Hey thanks Goldstein! I don't know what im doing tomorrow but he can predict 22dec11 already. Nice!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Actually, 001 isn't just getting Chinatown. The new boudaries will now go to 31st street, from Chinatown all the way east to the lake. That means the Dearborn homes will now be in the 1st district. Goodbye Ickes! Helloooo Dearborns!!
10/23/2011 11:52:00 PM
Dearborns are quiet..
"...we're all older than we were and very few young officers are being hired."
Look at the bright side; almost everybody on the department will have the ten years seniority necessary to bid, if Rahm gets his way.
Of course, since there are "no" recognized vacancies for the past three out of four months, there won't be anywhere to bid to...
"Previous G8 Summits have attracted protesters and terrorists; during the 2005 summit, terrorists blew up bombs on London underground trains, killing 52 civilians and injuring 700 people."
OOOOHHH!!! I can't wait!!
Chalkie
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