Less Police = Longer Response
Shaved had this up earlier, so we "borrowed" it from his site:
[Milwaukee Journal Sentinel] A Journal Sentinel report in August found average police response time to calls for service was slower last year than before Police Chief Edward Flynn took charge in 2008.
Department records showed police response lagged in 13 of 15 major call categories last year compared with 2007 figures.
New records obtained this month by the newspaper show the department's overall response time was 3.5 minutes longer on average during the three full years since Flynn's arrival compared with the three years prior. That's more than 10% longer.
And the accompanying graphic spells it out in stark black, white and gray:
Anyone want to guess what a Chicago chart would look like? Covering the same period? Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?
Anyone want to guess what a Chicago chart would look like? Covering the same period? Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
30 Comments:
No, you probably wouldn't be able to accurately track that and that's just the way "they" want it
It can be somewhat tracked on the PDT's.
It shows the time the call was recieved by dispachers, and the time it was dispached.
Sometimes, it a few minute (5min or so) lapse.
SCC said...
Anyone want to guess what a Chicago chart would look like?
Sure. After Tiny Dancer got done drawing it up, it would show that the police response has gotten soooo much better that it is now nearly perfect... At least since Rahm took over!
"Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?"
More importantly, would we really want to? Would Rahm and McNutty really want the public to know
just how bad response is out there? I don't think
so either!
"Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?"
Yup, every job has an "entry" time, "dis[patch]" time, "ack[nowledge]" time, "enr[oute]" time, "ons[cene]" time and the time a RD is pulled/job is cleared.
Measure Entry time to Dispatch time
I believe that 911 should be closed and have anyone who wants police service go to their local police station and take a number at the door for service. Just like you do at the super market deli. When your number comes up just tell the desk officer what your problem is and they will yell out the window and send the next car to your house.
"Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?"
Let's ask Ron Lubermen...
< cue sound of toilet flushing >
There's little doubt that our charts would show a steep increase in wait time over the last few years. There's no denying it we are extremely shorthanded and can only do so much with so little. The talking heads like Rahm and McNutty would like the sheeple to think otherwise but it is what it is.
Chicago response time?
I'll get back to you on that.
The Dept computer dispatch system has the capability to measure response time the Dept deliberately chooses not to for obvious reasons. In order to measure response time, the Dept would require officers to report "on-scene" when officers arrive. This could be done two ways, by pressing the ons button on your car computer or by voice and the dispatcher changes your status.
The Dept is very very very afraid to direct officers to do this because it would show a severe shortage and off the chart response times compared to other Departments. The City gives the media a smokescreen time which is how long it takes to answer (pick up the phone) at OEMC and the media never goes further in their inquiry. The OEMC may also release time to dispatch (assign a car) but they never say how long until police arrive on scene.
Interestingly the Fire dept does keep is statistic since fire is required by law to do so. Coincidentally, they seem to have had fewer cutbacks. Any connection?
when the new Pdt came out you could pull up pending jobs "esm sav/wai" and see what calls were 1As and in progress. I got a few good arrest because of being o scene even before the job was dispatched. then the powers took that away from POs and only Sgts and above have it.I took a day for logging on as a Sgt friend of mine so I could continue to use it. that was 7 years ago
LIFM
Don't worry fellas. If someone breaks into my house while I'm home I will kill them dead (if my dog doesn't first). You can take your time getting here to pick up the body.
-Edison Park Resident
"Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?"
Sure. You subtract the "dispatched" time from the "on scene" time in PCAD.
19B has replaced 19P! So much time passes from the moment a call is placed until the time I can actually respond to a scene. More than half the time no one is around once I get there. No offenders. No victims. Crime is down. Shut the fuck up and keep drinking the kool-aid!
Well, it's complicated because we have inside calls and outside calls, and we can't really be responsible for inside calls
Fck this city, I recieved a 60 dollar parking ticket yesterday for parking on the curb. The ticket was written by a meter maid in Beverly, the charge: parking on the public way. Who thinks I should contest the ticket? I know it maybe illegal but it's a little drastic. I believe this law was meant for cars that are parked in a driveway from the street to the side walk blocking the path of the side walk not parking on the curb. Opinions please
Just drive faster.
Time is coming when the city won't even need police officers. Now Numb Nutz Rahm wants to install "speeding cameras" in school zones. This will ticket ($100) those folks with a heavy foot near our schools and parks. That would be ok with me but you know it is only a foot in the door for these money craving corrupt fucks at the Hall. Just like the red light cameras this will become a new cash cow for the city. They don't have enough money to piss away on nonsense...they need much more. This city is rapidly becoming unlivable. We are getting priced right out of our homes. The good people who give this town life will be fleeing as soon as they can for the suburbs or maybe furthur. What a shame.
Thanks to the Democrats hating the police and not hiring any, more and more Taxpaying Citizens are being victimized by violent Felons.
"Is it even possible to track this sort of thing with our antiquated half-assed systems?"
Sure. You subtract the "dispatched" time from the "on scene" time in PCAD.
10/20/2011 07:48:00 AM
And if I don't have a pdt or hit on scene, who will know then exactly what time I got there?
With NO BACK UP OUT HERE!
I will garauntee, I will betaking my time to jobs!
Hire more Police!
Fck this city, I recieved a 60 dollar parking ticket yesterday for parking on the curb. The ticket was written by a meter maid in Beverly, the charge: parking on the public way. Who thinks I should contest the ticket? I know it maybe illegal but it's a little drastic. I believe this law was meant for cars that are parked in a driveway from the street to the side walk blocking the path of the side walk not parking on the curb. Opinions please
This is another example of a money grab by the city. They send out platoons of these "revenue generators" into the neighborhoods that have high concentrations of taxpayers. They've been hitting Beverly and Mt. Greenwood hard recently.
Why not send these platoons into the ghettos?
Because Rahm wants to keep pandering to them and wouldn't want to upset them. Oh yeah and something about not being able to get blood from a turnip.
With the legitimate, hard working people of this city constantly being nickel and dimed to death it's inevitable that we'll reach a saturation point and the legitimate tax paying citizens won't take it anymore. I don't think that time is too far off.
I was dispatched a call 50 minutes late in 024 a few months ago and got into the dispatcher's face. Dispatcher asked why did I care if the call was late? I told her because I have to face the citizen when I arrive on the call, who says I was late because I was "eating a donut" and "have a don't give a fuck attitude", 50 minutes late. The dispatcher doesn't have to face this.
We will all look like lazy cops if the calls are dispatched catch-as-catch can. Of course, the caller/citizens will be more than happy to support politicians who will relieve them of our pension obligation, because in their mind we are a bunch of Keystone fuck ups.
Most of the time I either don't have a PDT or its impossible to acknowledge things because the cursors don't work.
"And if I don't have a pdt or hit on scene, who will know then exactly what time I got there?"
Well yes, the accuracy of the data is only as good/honest as the cops that use it.
"And if I don't have a pdt or hit on scene, who will know then exactly what time I got there?"
Well yes, the accuracy of the data is only as good/honest as the cops that use it.
10/20/2011 10:06:00 PM
Nice of you to question our integrity. How about questioning the integrity of the thieves that gave us the faulty equipment? How about the fact that we are more concerned about the scene when we pull up than we are about hitting a button on our computer for some statistical analysis? How about you are an uninformed dolt?
What a concept! Guess this must be a master degree guy huh! More bullshit more truth?
Anonymous said...
I was dispatched a call 50 minutes late in 024 a few months ago and got into the dispatcher's face. Dispatcher asked why did I care if the call was late? I told her because I have to face the citizen when I arrive on the call, who says I was late because I was "eating a donut" and "have a don't give a fuck attitude", 50 minutes late. The dispatcher doesn't have to face this.
We will all look like lazy cops if the calls are dispatched catch-as-catch can. Of course, the caller/citizens will be more than happy to support politicians who will relieve them of our pension obligation, because in their mind we are a bunch of Keystone fuck ups.
10/20/2011 08:32:00 PM
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Why don't you tell the citizen the truth?
Tell them that we are under-manned, overworked and that things will get a lot worse before they get better. Tell the citizen that you are not the person that created this problem, and that 9.5 is responsible and to contact him to complain.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I was dispatched a call 50 minutes late in 024 a few months ago and got into the dispatcher's face. Dispatcher asked why did I care if the call was late? I told her because I have to face the citizen when I arrive on the call, who says I was late because I was "eating a donut" and "have a don't give a fuck attitude", 50 minutes late. The dispatcher doesn't have to face this.
We will all look like lazy cops if the calls are dispatched catch-as-catch can. Of course, the caller/citizens will be more than happy to support politicians who will relieve them of our pension obligation, because in their mind we are a bunch of Keystone fuck ups.
10/20/2011 08:32:00 PM
I will ask the dispatcher over the radio in front of the citizen the time the job came in and what time it was dispatched.
Fck this city, I recieved a 60 dollar parking ticket yesterday for parking on the curb. The ticket was written by a meter maid in Beverly, the charge: parking on the public way. Who thinks I should contest the ticket? I know it maybe illegal but it's a little drastic. I believe this law was meant for cars that are parked in a driveway from the street to the side walk blocking the path of the side walk not parking on the curb. Opinions please
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Here's my opinion. Park legally.
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