Riot Helmet Problem?
- The Department has apparently discovered that there is a problem with the helmets that were issued to all Deparmtment members. The helmet shield cannot be lowered while wearing a gas mask. How does the Department intend on fixing the problem?
Those officers in voluntary units (tactical teams, etc) may be required to purchase a new helmet or be reassigned. The cost of the new helmet is upwards of $200.00.
The Lodge's position is that these new helmets would be the subject of a first issue item. Any member who is told that he is required to purchase a new helmet as a condition of remaining in his current assignment should contact the Lodge immediately.
Actually, this shouldn't be an issue - the gas teams from years gone by will not be utilized downtown. Seems the brass is a little intimidated by the old newsreels of years gone by of the gas clouds drifting over Michigan Avenue along with the footage of the Bulls riots and have vowed it won't happen this time. So the tanks sit unused, with lapsed certifications and no plans to fill them for the summer of 2012.
But the FOP is certainly correct in that the City must provide required equipment as first issue.
But the FOP is certainly correct in that the City must provide required equipment as first issue.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
142 Comments:
Blow me... I'll be on furlough.
The gas mask should provide some protection against blunt objects...charlie-mike.
OT, I am interested in a little poll here. Back in the early 90's when the department first issued riot gear for the war protest, the department issued all tact/gang teams riot equipment. As tact/members left their respective tact/gang units, several tact lt. told officers that the riot gear belonged to the tactical unit and would remain in the unit for the next officer coming in. Now that equipment was asigned to an indiviual P.O. but was kept by the tact office. If they are goining to attempt and make P.O.'s purchase new helmets, are they now going to try and make P.O.'s who were assigned riot gear but left them with the tact office buy new gear? Did anyone else who was in a tact team in the 90's told the same thing about the riot gear belonging to the tact office?
"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
Donald Rumsfeld
There will be no shortage of go getters falling over each other willing to buy the new helmet if it means they can take a spot from someone who refuses to buy a new one....
Racoon Eyes can piss money away on new useless parks, bike lanes, and cta cameras but not on equipment for his police officers. He invited all these anarchist to Chicago next may but he doesn't see a need to protect his cops. Interesting.
But the FOP is certainly correct in that the City must provide required equipment as first issue.
send in the scoops!
FYI, for the people who feel that they need to get their sheilds replaced, dept does not have any new replacements at all. If you are lucky they will give you slightly used one, and of course those are in limited supply.
Doesn't matter if we don't have our gas teams up.
Anarchists will mix household cleaners and launch them at us, and we'll be forced to inhale the toxic fumes.
Won't mention the specifics of the chemical compounds, but look it up
If you don't have a mask- good! You won't be deployed to the front line, only perimeter or traffic control.
If you have a gas mask, and your helmet sucks... prepare for piss, shit, bleach, etc. in your face, thanks to the Mayor
this is true...just left training at uic!!! the helmets we have are motorcycle helmets not riot helmets.....the are not very practical at all..we need new helmets asap
I ain't buying a new helmet. If that's a problem then give me a promotion to callback.
my faceshield closes just fine over my mask.
Did the training with mask and helmet. Had no problems with getting the shield down. Just sayn
Anyone that goes out and buys a new helmet to keep their spot is a real softball. Let everyone on tact quit and go back to the watch. Now I'm just dreaming, but that would be a real kick in the nuts to the city.
These are motorcycle helmets and they're not designed for what we use them for.
funny?
U WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY OFFICER DON'T HAVE GAS MASK FOR MEDICAL CONDITIONS.
I GUESS THEY DONT LINE UP WITH EVERYONE ELSE?
There are published federal standards for riot helmets. See the attached document from the National Institute of Justice (NIJ). See below link. Do CPD Helmets meet the standard?
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/097212.pdf
FYI the FOP lost the arbitration on the issuance of the riot gear. If a P.O. needs a new helmet to remain on a tact team he must purchase it. If the P.O. wants to drive a beat car, the city has to purchase it.
Here is one........
Overheard at the training.....the current helmets cannot take a TENNIS BALL thrown at the face shield without is breaking.
Also, with bodily excrements being thrown at us, this current DOT approved helmet has no protection to keep said waste from dripping down on to the wearers faces.
This sounds like the Departments failure to provide adequate protection for its members during a major event.
Your ball FOP........run with it.
Anyone who received the 3 day block of training for the upcoming G8 / NATO conference that Rahm sold us out for, knows this is not true. The shields come down fine. The problem is they are useless. They are antiquated and fragile. The shield cannot withstand a hit from a tennis ball or a wated bottle, let alone a rock or a glass bottle. They crack, or fall off. Most of our helmets have the foam lining deteriorated and dry rotted.We were all told that the city received $54.6 million dollars from the G8, just the G8, not including NATO. This for hosting this event. We were also told that Racoon eyes has not released the funds to CPD for new equipment for the Rank and File, ie; new riot gear (new turtle suits, ballistic helmets with ballistic shields). along with a bevy of other goodies. Well let's see if McStupid has a say in this. The gear that was shown to us was impressive and PROTECTIVE. That stuff worked. Not like the "little rascals" battle gear that we don.All in all it boils down to officer safety. If our gear is compromised during this event, we are done! If one of us succumbs to an injury due to faulty equipment, we are out of the line. And with all of the ranks wearing CRAP, how long do you think this will take? There are only so many replacements, behind the front line. Then it's up to the clowns with the scrambled eggs on the brims of their hats to toe that line. Ha Ha Ha!. So we are back to a good ole 1968 street brawl, or give the protestors RAHM'S beloved downtown. I don't know about the rest of the troops, but this 9.5 bipolar mayor has done nothing for US since his arrival! with him it's just me me me ,I want I want I want....Hand him a turtle suit and an eggshell helmet, and watch him turn yellow and run! The troops are only as good as the generals! BURN BABY BURN!
If I'm going to buy a helmet, it's going to be Kevlar and not plastic.
Anonymous said...
There will be no shortage of go getters falling over each other willing to buy the new helmet if it means they can take a spot from someone who refuses to buy a new one....
10/19/2011 12:24:00 AM
Good, someone can buy a new helmet and take my spot because there is no way I will shell out a dime on new riot gear.
As for the go getters, all my get up and go got up and left. I leave the front lines to those with those nice expensive fancy police uniforms.
Anonymous said...
These are motorcycle helmets and they're not designed for what we use them for.
10/19/2011 04:46:00 AM
DOT approved helmets expire after 5 years and should be replaced. Fat chance of that here.
"Anarchists will mix household cleaners and launch them at us, and we'll be forced to inhale the toxic fumes."
Would Anita Alverez prosecute anyone who was caught doing this. Probably not as they would be Democrats.
Anonymous said...
Racoon Eyes can piss money away on new useless parks, bike lanes, and cta cameras but not on equipment for his police officers. He invited all these anarchist to Chicago next may but he doesn't see a need to protect his cops. Interesting.
10/19/2011 12:26:00 AM
Don't forget the kayak boat houses going in along the river.
last year during TARA training, instructors asked how many po's were issued gas mask. Only eight out of the 35 po's present raised their hands. During the TABD, the only po's with riot gear, including gas mask, were the"goon squad" and tact teams with there "ninga turtle" equipment. Maurer made sure the, frontline po's were protected. We all were told those po's were issued their own individual gear, fitted for the officer, so they were responsible for it. Ppo's coming out @ the time had to buy there own. Its sad if bosses were telling po's, the equipment, had to be left to the unit. We all know what happens to such equipment and what good would it be to the officer if it doesnt fit properly. Unless we get monies from the feds, again, the g8 will be detrimental to every officer, citizen placed out there. Why is it that first responders are treated with such disregard! It seems the world will really be watching, as the city burns and little 9.5 caligula sits in his little throne surrounded by his thieving minions and mcpuppet on his right hand side. St. Michael please hear our prayers. G-d bless the CPD and CFD.
Off topic but could someone tell why a car has been sitting at 51STand in the 002dist
12:21......you are right about giving the gear back to the unit, but thevgear was issued in the early 2000's, 2003 to be exact,
It's G-8 the city need tact/gangs more than the officers need the city.
If they want to make them buy them or get reassigned they should grow a pair and get reassigned.
Of course they won't and they will opt to continue being the city's b&$( for the right to wear blue jeans and leave early everyday.
Sadder yet if one gets reassigned their will be 10 hair gels will be ready to tact their place and spend the 200$
Rumor has it the Feds are going to give the city money for new riot gear and helmets. Our blue domes attract flying objects!
I was told that the Feds are giving the city $5 million in advance of the G8 summit to be used for equipment.
In its infinite wisdom CPD is taking the money but has decided our officers have the necessary equipment.Huh?
This is just one example that we don't have everything we need and are woefully unprepared for G8. Come on cut loose with some of that federal money.
Recognized that CPD is ill-equipped for NATO/G8 Summits, it would seem logical that every cop who expects to be assigned to Summits (isn't that everyone??) would make sure to be personally fully prepared with all reasonably-useful safety-protection equipment available for individual purchase. Stop expecting CPD/Chicago to be prepared and equipped by May 15; seems unlikely, given higher priorities like bike paths and 9% pay raises to Rahm's appointees. I'd think that "rather safe than sorry" would be the operative theme. I'd expect National Guard to gas everyone, cops included, when the rioting begins.
Just finished the training class. Not one officer in the class had problem with shield and mask. What I do have a problem with is with all my fellow POs crying over possibly having to work. Learn to piss standing up and deal with it. Or are you fucking pansies who got this job for schooling. We are the Police and this is part of it. Here is a tissue, wipe your eyes and man the fuck up.
I have mine from from 1968, an extra baton and a sap. All in my closet. What am I offered for this historic collection?
Thankfully retired
PS: and a couple of nice wheel guns, leave no casings behind..
For those of you that think this is going to be easy overtime and no big deal...pay attention. This current violent form of protests with coordinated Anarchist groups is not drunk people hanging out of cars like the Bulls Riots. The group will attack us violently for a week and hope for a violent response for negative news footage. WE ARE BEING SET UP.
It is true......when I left tac they told me to leave my gear in tac office.....then all the current guys rifled through it and took what they needed.........
i still aint doing nothing,big pension changes coming for current members!
There will be a line out the door of the tac office with people offering to buy new helmets as well as lee carpenter jeans, carhartt jackets and backwards baseball hats. Just like there will be a line out of homan square the next time they start a new Sos or whatever they will call it next. People never learn.
OT, I am interested in a little poll here. Back in the early 90's when the department first issued riot gear for the war protest, the department issued all tact/gang teams riot equipment. As tact/members left their respective tact/gang units, several tact lt. told officers that the riot gear belonged to the tactical unit and would remain in the unit for the next officer coming in. Now that equipment was asigned to an indiviual P.O. but was kept by the tact office. If they are goining to attempt and make P.O.'s purchase new helmets, are they now going to try and make P.O.'s who were assigned riot gear but left them with the tact office buy new gear? Did anyone else who was in a tact team in the 90's told the same thing about the riot gear belonging to the tact office?
10/19/2011 12:21:00 AM
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Had to give my black duffle bag up once I left tact. Gig to keep the black BDUs though since they had my name on them.
Issues??? I paid $200 for mine in the academy 5 years ago. The only thing issued to us was a shield for my hat and a star missing 2 letters
No Wooden Sticks either Where's the ASP training for riot?
Remember the helmet is IDOT approved Not ballistic-go make some coffee
Our "riot helmets" do not protect agains chemicals and acid from going down the front and back areas of our necklines and we are facing anarchists after all
I just finished the G8 training. It is true, but we will see what happens.
my faceshield closes just fine over my mask.
Then you have an old RIOT helmet, not the new DOT helmet.
Anyone that goes out and buys a new helmet to keep their spot is a real softball. Let everyone on tact quit and go back to the watch. Now I'm just dreaming, but that would be a real kick in the nuts to the city.
10/19/2011 03:18:00 AM
Softball for buying something that protects you better? Consider me a softball, and you a dumbass!
We get $1800.00 a year uniform allowance , buy a new helmet and new body armour .
I'm on a tact team and have been through a number of crowd control training classes over the years. The helmet visor fits fine over an Avon gas mask. Maybe the newer masks are a different style. The helmet sucks. We should have kevlar type helmets withs the visors not these motorcycle helmets.
I remember training at Near North HS and my helmet visor wen over my gas mask. I do wish we had actually riot helmets.
the gas mask is never a secure fit with all my hair gel. tact guy!
Seems like youz guyz iz bein' played... http://biggovernment.com/kolson/2011/10/18/occupy-arrest-scam-unmasked/
When you get injured the first 2 minutes of the altercation and go to the hospital, which is your right, then go home and stay ther, the helmet is your ticket to good IOD and a personal lawsuit. What better way to deal with civil disobedience brought on by the George Soros/Barry Obama instigated No Communist Child Left Alone gatherings...
U WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MANY OFFICER DON'T HAVE GAS MASK FOR MEDICAL CONDITIONS.
I GUESS THEY DONT LINE UP WITH EVERYONE ELSE?
10/19/2011 05:43:00 AM
When I went to the first TARA training they had us fill out a medical form before issuing gas masks.I put down that I had high blood presure and took medication for it. I am in good health and in good shape except for high blood presure 130/90 when I first went on medication for it. They told me sorry no gas mask. Went to TARA 2 training they had me put on the gas mask and the little white suit and go through their little training for it, I had no problem. Still no gas mask, oh well I'll have no problem standing on the sidelines.
hello from out here in the private manufacturing sector, with a little fun fact.
as facility director and equipment purchaser, if I used company funds to specify and purchase equipment that turned out to be defective, unusable, incompatible, unnecessary or ineffective, due to my own misunderstanding, negligent or otherwise ignorant procurement methods.....
I'D BE SHIT-CANNED.
"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
Donald Rumsfeld
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"This isn't war, and we are not an army."
99 unit that has a antiquated helmet
Ah, heres the best part.
The city could have asked for a federal grant for new equipment, but some downtown type killed the idea because a patrolman thought of it.
So we could have had free stuff and not bother the city budget.
"Racoon Eyes can piss money away on new useless parks, bike lanes, and cta cameras but not on equipment for his police officers. He invited all these anarchist to Chicago next may but he doesn't see a need to protect his cops. Interesting.
10/19/2011 12:26:00 AM"
I thought Obama invited them since we didn't get the Olympics...
Batter Up!
i hope they are kevlar too....
Did anyone else who was in a tact team in the 90's told the same thing about the riot gear belonging to the tact office?
10/19/2011 12:21:00 AM
Yes, but when some of us left we took the gear with us anyway.
FYI. we get uniform allowance. i can see many who don't even buy a new shirt, now you got something you really need to buy. look at all that OT..
If you don't have a mask- good! You won't be deployed to the front line, only perimeter or traffic control.
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Dude, do you really think that when the few "properly equiped" officers are getting destroyed in the melee, that they're not going to order everyone inside the week long 10-1?? I want what your smoking
they would rather see blood than tear gas
These are NOT motorcycle helmets. Take a look at what California Highway Motor Officers wear... those are motorcycle helmets. Ours are just some crap.
Kind of O.T. but an interesting helmet story. When I retired I was told to take my helmet to a warehouse by Rockwell and Roosevelt Rd. and turn it in or I would be charged for it. I went there and was told to keep it because they didn't have storage for them. I said but if I don't turn it in I will be charged. Well it's here on a shelf four years later and I never got a bill.
On a side note.....rahmy made a visit to 002 the other day and a great captain (delatorre) told him straight up what he could do with his phantom ghost power bullshit. Rahm got pissed and left roll call without saying a word and played on his blackberry the whole time. Way to go capt.....to bad ur retiring
Legit question...Those of you who said the helmet fit fine over the gas mask: Did you have that big old canister installed or not?
Just went to bullshit training for riot, boys and girls we are so fucked,watch the videos rahm you need the national gurad not on stand-by but there to quell the problems that you rahm have created. In your sick mind rahm you feel this will propel you to be president! Sorry no chnace, with the destruction you have invited into "OUR" city sir please resign now!
On another sore subject closing police stations? The Titanic shifted all the chairs played music still when down,like what your doing to DESTROY this city started by the daley criminal crew will be finished by the rahm boys same criminals different plan! Your evil cabal are planning to take our earned,deserved,promised pensions,watched the bullshit commercial last night on tv, wow you have millions to spend on tv and media outlets to try and turn public perception against us and the firemen teachers and all city employees except for your chosen crew who you shower with big pay increases you sir along with your mentor madigan and the rest have already destroyed this city/state and your friend barry obama is destroying this country.
This ship needs to be righted and the good people who actually pay the bills will one day say "fuck it," wait a minute is that not whats happening with the wall street protest? ENOUGH!
What about the BDU's and turtle suits? I have heard the city is trying to weasle out of these "required" uniforms as first issue too. So does that mean we have to all buy a pair for next year?
The unions need to make it clear to the city that they have issued helmets that aren't made for riots, and demand the city purchase new helmets for anyone who will be assigned to the G8 event. If the city refuses and an officer is injured and the city had prior information that they aren't adequetly equipping its employees for an event that has proven to be extremely confrontational and the likelihood of an officer being hit in the head is extremely high, the city would be stuck holding the bill. The unions must present it just like that to the city, telling them riot helmets are required and not motorcycle helmets which must be put on paper so the city can't say they were not aware of the safety issue
I guess that means I will be going back to the watch. Oh well, it has outlived its usefulness.
Just went past VCG, Saw the line out the door just itching to get their hands on the new helmet, money is no object when your the elite of the Department
I ain't buying shit! I had to buy riot gear and have worn it nonce as in never. F/U CPD, what are they gonna do last minute after they have sent me to all this training?!
How bout painting those green Army bullet proof helmets blue?
They will alloy gas masks.. Biological hoods and hold water?
I cleaned up this comment that it my meet SSC HIGH STANDARDS.
the message is they want to find out how tough we are, if we're organized and if the union will fold.
Seems to me it's every serf for themselves and the union has been retreating since Pearl Harbor ( outside mayor and superintendents )
I'd like to see a Robin Hood or a General Dolittle.
We don't need to become a Washington or a New York.
I've tried to keep the anger and frustration between the lines ssc, but it's not easy under the circumstances.
Organise leadership!
All I can say is this. Since I have let go, My blood pressure is lowered, my stress is lowered, and I just walk away from all the BS in the station.
Face it, this is a dead end job for Coppers that can think on their feet. The only way to succeed is to suck for it. Sorry not my style.
But I just want to say that for the past 7 years I have worked for nothing but pure grade A 100% Assholes who's ego's were unbelievable. But for the past year I have had the honor of working for a group of very nice, caring and NON ego'ed Bosses.
To all the White shirts out there with their "OWN" agenda.
Treat your subordinates nice. If you dont like a copper dont go out of your way to screw them. You have no idea what could be going on at home?
People go to work because they have to. But all I see is Captains and Lt's screwing people over to show them who is boss. Then the Sgt's step in trying to make browny points. Try showing them who is boss by helping them. You will get that back 10 fold in productivity, trust me.
I have turned around like nothing was bothering me about this job ever before. ALl because I dont have to go to work and deal with a bunch of backstabbing young cops, and we now have Bosses that want you to be happy and successfull. Something at least 80% of CPD boses could care less about.
Please be safe!
"As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time."
Donald Rumsfeld
10/19/2011 12:21:00 AM
Yeah, and this statement showed that Donald Rumsfeld was an asshole. There was no reason that our troops didn't have everything they needed before going into battle. Same goes for the officers in the CPD. It's the city's responsibility to provide the necessary equipment to keep the officers safe.
Just curious will all the tactical teams from 013,019 and 021 rush out and buy new helmets? Got to keep your spot! Oh wait... Your district is closing you have no spot
The Federal Gov't provided 20,000 Avon respirators to the Dept, but yet only 2/3 of the Dept received them. Someone nerds to explain where they went or if the Terra staff profited from their sale.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone that goes out and buys a new helmet to keep their spot is a real softball. Let everyone on tact quit and go back to the watch. Now I'm just dreaming, but that would be a real kick in the nuts to the city.
10/19/2011 03:18:00 AM
Sadly brother, you are right! And that is how the city has us over a barrel; we can't even stay united among ourselves.
just a sample of what to expect next may boys and girls:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15362678
OT:FOP President Mike Shields needs to hire the best Labor Attorneys who will help us out in negotiatios.The City is going to try everything to Srew Us.Give the FOP President a chance.We can all vote him out the next time if we get Srewed.We need to all stick together.
If these helmets are designed for motorcycle use, then is there room for negligence seeing as how the city or a reasonable person should have known that the equipment issued was for a different activity and could lead to injury? Is the city knowingly providing Officers with inadiqute protection?
I smell class action. Union, Media can someone ask the questions to Gary and Rahm? maybe the officers on the security detail?
Since the city issued me a motorcycle helmet, when do I report to the motorcycle unit? LOL talk about some arrogant privleged Officer's f that unit, would want to associate with those jags any way.
Here is your helmet back asshole or should I just hand it over to my attorney and say this is what the city gave me in case of a riot or civil unrest? Mr. Attorney do you think this is adequate protection for that type of activity?
Isn't it a safety concern if our motorcycle helmets don't meet the national riot standards?
The Jock Strap groin protector was invented in 1874 and has been used universally in all contact sports.
The Hockey Helmet was not mandated for new NHL players until 1979.
Shows you what men think of as important.
Will we be issued new condoms or will we have to buy our own?
I wouldn't pay a fucking dime! You want me on the front line then you better pony up the money for new equipment!
It's a motorcycle helmet for the PAPVs which we no longer use. The helmet is not designed as riot gear nor does it have ballistic features. Sounds to me that if the city wants us to use them and that creates a dangerous misuse of equipment. Sorry but you can't order me to put my melon in danger under those cirumstsnces on top of having not provided me a gas mask. Were's my para form? ;-)
Why would you want to be on the front lines of any civil unrest incident???
This ain't the the 1960's anymore.
As FOP President Mike Shields said at the last meeting: "When you are out there are the front line, act like there is a video camera behind every pane of glass out there." And cellphones, too.
Any misconduct will be edited to show you in the most unfavorable light and uploaded to YouTube in about 3 minutes.
I joined in 1971 ( retired now ).
At that time we were issued a "BUCCO" helmet, which was really nothiing more that a industrial bump hat. If hot properly, they would split. If we wanted a face sheld, we purched them outselves.
There were no gas masks for the individual street officer.
It wasn't until the late 90's that they started to issued decent helmets.
Anytime the Department purchases something, you casn bet someone in city hall is making something on the deal, they don't care about the guys, only the money they can make.
Got on in '98, have a gas mask, shield closes just fine. The real issue is that these helmets are idot approved.....yes for riding a motorcycle....not for riot control.
All together now....."the city that works!!"
Water cannons and Tear gas sounds better. More European
Anonymous said...
Racoon Eyes can piss money away on new useless parks, bike lanes, and cta cameras but not on equipment for his police officers. He invited all these anarchist to Chicago next may but he doesn't see a need to protect his cops. Interesting.
10/19/2011 12:26:00 AM
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Just another way daley is pissing on us using Tiny Dancer 9.5 as his proxy. It's a payback for disrespected the Royal Stooge when he was "mayor".
NOW is the time for a preemptive classaction lawsuit against the city for inadequate staffing, equipment and overall misappropriation of funds. They are purposefully allowing us to sustain unnecassary injuries due to negligence. We are getting set up for an embarrasing, dangerous failure.
Well helmets are not Rahm's top prioirty right now. Here's Rahm's top priority....
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Mr. Emanuel — asked what his top priority is for the Illinois
Legislature’s fall veto session — answered that it’s helping CME Group and CBOE Holdings Inc. cut their state income-tax load. The session begins next week.
The firms now are treated “not exactly in a fair way, at least in their view,” he said, and as a result are threatening to move some operations out of town. The big trading firms have made Chicago “a worldwide leader” in the derivatives and options business, he said. “It’s important to us as a city and a state to maintain that leadership.”
Mr. Emanuel served on the board of a predecessor firm to CME several years ago.
Read more: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/section/blogs?blogID=greg-hinz&plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&uid=1daca073-2eab-468e-9f19-ec177090a35c&plckPostId=Blog:1daca073-2eab-468e-9f19-ec177090a35cPost:84a208da-4d04-4397-948d-f45978d6ddc8&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest
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The CME has its boot on the throat of tuff-talking Rahm.
Taking care of the good ol' boys. The corporations.
Boo-fricken-hoo the corporations are not being treated fairly he says. Fairly compared to who!
It's more fair to make the middle class shoulder the full burden of the State and cities budget disaster caused by mismanagement?
It's more fair to screw the public pensions making the employees pay more because contract obligations and contributions on the cities side were not met as promised.
It's more fair for the middle class taxpayer -- to take away the taxpayers soc. sec. contributions and give it to the state so they can award corporate tax breaks to CME?
It's more fair to watch city clouted friends and appointees receive double digit wage increases while the taxpayers wages are falling?
See how the "we are all in this together" fairness thing works?
Everyone put on their sad face now because we are not being fair to the poor corporations..
One corporation got a tax break essentially reversing the recent State income tax increase therefore it's only right and fair that all the rest of the corporations have their tax increase rolled back too.
We have to be fair don't ya know.
Just like we enforce our laws fairly and equally across all social-economic levels....except for the Illegal immigrants of course that are only trying to make themselves a better life and a few other cases.
Those OWS protesters on the other hand I guess are out there to make themselves a worse life. We need to ticket and harass them with every little trivial city ordinance on the books while using the guise of respecting the laws even if we go bankrupt doing it and divert the much needed personal from protecting the public.
You city leaders are a joke with this fairness and respecting the law propaganda. You do it when it suits your needs.
Oh..what about the middle class? Well you mean the churls? They're in a different class, a different group. All there tax increases are staying so we're being fair with them..ha..
BTW there's a new poll.
The majority of people are in support of the Occupy Wall Street movement now.
Within the republican party itself there is a 37% in-favor rating.
What about us Rahm? What about us. The citizens of the United States of America are dying out here. How much corporate profit is enough?
Your ball FOP........run with it.
The union is very busy composing SNARKY communications on their website and on this one. They will not be formulating any strategies which do not directly affect anything other than living off your dues money.
Evidence . . . Page 124 of contract provides that all legislation regarding our pension must be discussed by Union/Employer committee. Anybody know how that meeting went? Oh, not scheduled yet? Veto session started today! Has a ULP been filed? Anybody working on some snarky language for the judge to look at?
OT why would Cross from oswego be so interested in chicago pension reform, could there be a link between his law firms relation with Brigeview bank and that banks link to chicago politicians.
Capt. Charottle DeLatorre has to be a Brooklyn NY gal. She should of been the Supt., this lady is sharp as a razor and totally knows her shit. She has a heart made of Gold and shows it.
Char touched so many life's on the job. Even us old farts.
God, please bless this wonderful person in her retirement.
Enough of Char.
You kids go buy your helmet so you do not sustain a head injury. Spend the money for your job for a change. Pre-FOP, we did what we were told. Because, it was the right thing.
the city will take it's time and when the time comes in May, there will be po's who will get hurt. we are not getting any help, it will be just us. if your trying to keep your spot on a tact team...who cares. what is important is what will you do protect yourself and your partners. we all have to come home safe. People spend the money and protect yourself...the city wont..
We are so fucked. Today Greece has fallen. Rome was burned last week. The CPD is going into the G8 next year, with our economy in the worst down fall since the depression. Our department plays with number to cover up crime and play down officer morale. It is a shame we have allowed our department to fall so far. By saying "we" I mean the Mayor and command staff.
Insulting this mayor is without any merit. He will do the right thing. He is not a JO like that 11th. ward fraud.
He walked into shit cause of the guy most of you voted for as mayor.
Rahm does not play and says it like it is.
Anonymous said...
The Federal Gov't provided 20,000 Avon respirators to the Dept, but yet only 2/3 of the Dept received them. Someone nerds to explain where they went or if the Terra staff profited from their sale.
10/19/2011 01:21:00 PM
The remainder went to the Vanecko & Daley Government Surplus Gear and Equipment Company. Can't fault the Vaneckos and Daleys for trying to make a buck here and there. At least they aren't stealing our pension.
phanhom ghost power. No way did a captain get in the face of the mayor over that and he walked away.
Dont see Rahm backing down. This is going to turn into a urban legend
What about those of us that don't have gas masks??? Did Tara training 4 years ago and was told they would be sent to us because they didn't have any more.
oh 1218am how silly u are, what are you new? You think the city is going to keep that furlo open?. I GUARANTEE you wont be on furlo because that 5 segment will NOT be an option. You can go on medical though buddy and fuck everyone else that will have to be out there dealing with it
"So the tanks sit unused, with lapsed certifications"
just like the district shotguns did for decades
the incompetence of leadership on this dept borders on criminal neglect. the military would have court martialed these clowns long ago in the same circumstances
Insulting this mayor is without any merit. He will do the right thing.
...most of you voted for as mayor.
10/19/2011 05:53:00 PM
right thing? when has a Democrat ever done the 'right thing' for Chicago or America in general?
haven't ever voted Democrat once in my life, pal
The Illinois State Police are getting new PDT's...with of course...new docking stations in the squad cars. Someone is getting rich...again.
For those of you that think this is going to be easy overtime and no big deal...pay attention. This current violent form of protests with coordinated Anarchist groups is not drunk people hanging out of cars like the Bulls Riots. The group will attack us violently for a week and hope for a violent response for negative news footage. WE ARE BEING SET UP.
10/19/2011 07:43:00 AM
Well set me up and give me the negative news footage because I AM the police and I WILL meet violence with violence. I have two obligations on this job, (1) I go home safely at the end of my day to my family and (2) If you were in roll call with me then you do the same. That's it, nothing more nothing less and if I have to look like the biggest jeggoff in the world to the media then so be it.
The city better wake up and start doing what LA does in riots and have a full camera crew of their own taping the whole story and then releasing the whole video when the dirtballs release their version.
-A P.O. who still cares about the ones who make sure he goes home safely...
pensions are guranteed tru de constitution dere coach!!AND MY UNIFORM GOES TO BUYIN REGULAR UNIFORM UPKEEP!!sorry,im not buyin first issue!WE HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THIS REASON!FOP IS WORKING FOR US BEHIND THE SCENES,BELIEVE ME!!
If you think you will be in the Dist for the whole week and making easy O.T. and not be downtown, think again. The multiple 10-1's a day will require all Incident Cars to respond. In addition with the the multiple I.O.D.'s it will require those spots to be filled. Thinking the Dist will be easy with your 12hr day for 7-8 straight days THINK AGAIN, bank robbery/robbery crews are not stupid. We need to hold the Mayor and The Supt's feet to the fire, NOW!
Can I just wear a football helmet?
I swear this whole fiasco has been scripted like Bill Ayers Wet Dream. Lets allow a criminally understaffed C.P.D. (5,000 Short) to do battle with 200,000 VIOLENT PROTESTERS without the basic protections of Proper Riot Gear, Gas Masks, Leadership for 7 straight days. This ,in a modern age with Youtube to highlight anyone overreacting. This is a recipe for disaster and has to be by design. There is no upside for anything. I haven't even mentioned the probability of a terrorist attack. HEY DUMMIES we are being set up.
Capt. Delatorre is the best Watch Commander I have worked for, 15 years on the job. The Mayor walked into her office unexpectedly, conversation turned to manpower issue. Cap told Emmanuel she is short people, Emmanuel told Capt that he sent bodies. Capt replied she doesnt see where. Emmanuel walked out and followed her to Roll Call. Capt asked Emmanuel if he wanted to address the troops on 2 occassions, both times he declined. Emmanuel made a hand gesture to Cap while stating he was there to observe and that him being there unexpected was the point. The watch didnt acknowledge him and he left a few minutes after the Caps second offer to address Roll Call. He leaned on doorway to Roll Call playing on his Blackberry the whole time. Cap is retiring in December and is 100% behind the blue shirts. I dont think she gives one flying fuck about Emmanuel or his feelings. BRAVO Cap, we are going to really miss you and your leadership! Enjoy the Rocky Mountains and the horses.
OT:
Ok, what the hell is the meaning of this? I have been told countless times by FOP leadership at the General Meetings that our pension cannot "be reduced or diminished" except by a change in the Illinois Constitution.
and now the FOP sends out this which is essentially a 10-1 regarding our pensions.
What the fuck?
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Pension Legislation Alert
The Lodge is requesting that you contact your State Representative and State Senator now. Please tell them to say NO to HB3827 which would diminish our representation on our pension board and give the City an unfair advantage.
You should also tell them to keep Chicago Police Officers out of SB512 which would change the way pension benefits are earned and calculated.
The easiest way to contact your legislators is to call 888-412-6570. You will be connected with your State Representative and State Senator.
look at some SGT.s, a LT, and 1 Capt. in 010,see how they treat the troops. imagine them as leaders , the minute you hit some one, you are the offender, as they speed dial IPRA, siding with the rioters,OH no officer you over reacted, he wasn't gong to throw that brick, he wanted to tell you he just found it.
The sound you hear is the once proud C.P.D. being laughed at. They have defanged us and we are going to get destroyed in May by design.
The helmet issue has been known for years. So who is responsible? Demotion- or wait to the G* and NATO Disaster-Make some coffee
SCC A SOLUTION:
The new helmets can be purchased with the HOMELAND SECURITY MONIES.
The city has been given appx 150 million dollars since 9/11 from Homeland Security.
I'm sure there is plenty of money left that can purchase the appropriate helmet, after all G8 / NATO Conference falls under a HOMELAND SECURITY.
God only knows what that money has been spent on because I can't think of one piece of equipment that district first responders have been issued regarding HOMELAND SECURITY Duties and Response other than a gas mask.
SCC / FOP/ Tax Payers / Media: I think we department members need to see an itemized list on where this 150 MILLION has been spent. Maybe Camera's? TMA jobs, BS jobs at OEMC..Who know's but this is not the rank and files responsibility to purchase this.
Actually I think I'm going to call the government to conduct an audit on this issue..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anyone that goes out and buys a new helmet to keep their spot is a real softball. Let everyone on tact quit and go back to the watch. Now I'm just dreaming, but that would be a real kick in the nuts to the city.
10/19/2011 03:18:00 AM
Sadly brother, you are right! And that is how the city has us over a barrel; we can't even stay united among ourselves.
10/19/2011 01:28:00 PM
You would think that after the Tact officers in 13,19,and 21 were told the stations are closing would be enough to wake them up.
I am sure the city will take care of them for their hard work and dedication.
I'd indict anyone detailed to that stupid TARA training so we could figure out where the AVON Respirators are. The instructors were laughing about the lack of accountability and how if there is a terrorist attack their dogs have masks and we don't.
"shoot to kill"
sincerely,
ol man Daley
What gas mask? I never received a gas mask. I think I'll just use one of those masks you wear when installing attic insulation.
Good thing Emmanuel came to the 3rd watch roll call. If he would have came on 1st watch the Capt would have probably been so far up his ass kissing it. Along with the other idiot sgts execpt for one.
Kind of O.T. but an interesting helmet story. When I retired I was told to take my helmet to a warehouse by Rockwell and Roosevelt Rd. and turn it in or I would be charged for it. I went there and was told to keep it because they didn't have storage for them. I said but if I don't turn it in I will be charged. Well it's here on a shelf four years later and I never got a bill.
When I retired almost 2 years ago, the woman who was accepting all of my dept. issued gear at 3510 asked me if I could 'do her a favor' and drop my helmet & gas mask off at Equipment & supply.
I stared at her for a second, and then asked her,
'are you fucking kidding me?' She told me that
they weren't really supposed to accept that gear
at headquarters. I pointed to a nearby garbage
can and indicated to her, 'I'll place it all there,
and you won't have to.' She then told me that
she would manage to get the gear over to Equip.
& Supply herself. I couldn't believe it. Here I
was doing everything by the book according to
procedures for retiring, and she expected me to
go to two different locations on my retirement
day.
Kind of O.T. but an interesting helmet story. When I retired I was told to take my helmet to a warehouse by Rockwell and Roosevelt Rd. and turn it in or I would be charged for it. I went there and was told to keep it because they didn't have storage for them. I said but if I don't turn it in I will be charged. Well it's here on a shelf four years later and I never got a bill.
10/19/2011 11:05:00 AM
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They aren't collecting the OLD, saucer helmets. You have to bring it in, show it, then they receipt you and you can toss it in a dumpster on your way home.
They only take your helmet if you have the newer issue. My 1983 helmet made it 1/3 of the way out of the navy blue bag and the guy laughed and said, never mind. Cool. It's somewhere in the basement now.
Watch channel H2 (think its the history channeL) Day After Disater better than any training video you will see. Plus then you can really see what equipment we dont have. God help us all.
Seems like people other than the po's on the street are commenting on this site. We are not stupid, the comments about man up and quit complaining ( about legit issues) are not written by the troops
To the moron who said your gas mask fits with the shield, you are full of shit and not a po
Anonymous said...
Can I just wear a football helmet?
10/19/2011 07:59:00 PM
Good Lord, man; wear your uniform too---no one wants to see your junk.
Good thing Emmanuel came to the 3rd watch roll call. If he would have came on 1st watch the Capt would have probably been so far up his ass kissing it. Along with the other idiot sgts execpt for one.
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so what you're saying is that if Rahm were to sit down too fast the capt would of gotten his nose broken...
Blow me... I'll be on furlough.
Oh no you won't!
Why were civilians issued Avon respirators and sworn officers not given priority?
There are many civilians that have these.
I swear this whole fiasco has been scripted like Bill Ayers Wet Dream. Lets allow a criminally understaffed C.P.D. (5,000 Short) to do battle with 200,000 VIOLENT PROTESTERS without the basic protections of Proper Riot Gear, Gas Masks, Leadership for 7 straight days. This ,in a modern age with Youtube to highlight anyone overreacting. This is a recipe for disaster and has to be by design. There is no upside for anything. I haven't even mentioned the probability of a terrorist attack. HEY DUMMIES we are being set up.
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I don't think it is a setup so much as the G8 protesters taking advantage of the situation.
So far in the US they have not been able to get the police to break as they have in some places in the rest of the world.
The mess created when CPD lost control of itself in 68 is possibly what at least some are looking for again. The images from that disaster helped the left take over and nearly destroy the country.
The specter of a similar breakdown by CPD in 2011 in an era when there are literally millions of video cameras to record it for the whole world to see could well present some "interesting" opportunities.
I fully expect to see videos juxtaposing the very few images that were taken in 68 with what goes on in 2011. Hopefully, Chicago finds a way to keep the peace. I am not betting on it though.
We live in interesting times. 68 was a major turning point in our slide into the depravity of the left. I wonder what 2011 will bring. If I lived close enough, I might go watch the G8 protests just so I could say I saw them live, up close and personal. It could well be another turning point. Hard to tell what direction it might turn though. The dynamics of these kind of things are very hard to control or to predict.
The odd part this time around is that a lot of the protest is not just from the left. You have a wide swath of people who know things are not right and are tired of it and have chosen protest to express their displeasure.
Not a cop.
Anonymous Glad to be gone said...
Kind of O.T. but an interesting helmet story. When I retired I was told to take my helmet to a warehouse by Rockwell and Roosevelt Rd. and turn it in or I would be charged for it. I went there and was told to keep it because they didn't have storage for them. I said but if I don't turn it in I will be charged. Well it's here on a shelf four years later and I never got a bill.
When I retired almost 2 years ago, the woman who was accepting all of my dept. issued gear at 3510 asked me if I could 'do her a favor' and drop my helmet & gas mask off at Equipment & supply.
I stared at her for a second, and then asked her,
'are you fucking kidding me?' She told me that they weren't really supposed to accept that gear
at headquarters. I pointed to a nearby garbage can and indicated to her, 'I'll place it all there,
and you won't have to.' She then told me that she would manage to get the gear over to Equip. & Supply herself. I couldn't believe it. Here I was doing everything by the book according to procedures for retiring, and she expected me to go to two different locations on my retirement day.
10/20/2011 12:34:00 AM
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Imagine that going to two different places on a day where you are being paid a full salary and not expected to do anything but retire and turn your stuff in. You really shouldn't have told that story because you sound like a real lazy dog ass.
You sound like a real piece of work.
Good Riddance, you hound!
I gladly took my stuff to equipment and supply...lady only wanted the face shield from my like new perfect fit 2nd gen issue...just peeled off the star and now wear it while riding my new ATV on the beautiful trails in the northwoods....retirement is good
OT:
Ok, what the hell is the meaning of this? I have been told countless times by FOP leadership at the General Meetings that our pension cannot "be reduced or diminished" except by a change in the Illinois Constitution.
and now the FOP sends out this which is essentially a 10-1 regarding our pensions.
What the fuck?
---
Pension Legislation Alert
The Lodge is requesting that you contact your State Representative and State Senator now. Please tell them to say NO to HB3827 which would diminish our representation on our pension board and give the City an unfair advantage.
You should also tell them to keep Chicago Police Officers out of SB512 which would change the way pension benefits are earned and calculated.
The easiest way to contact your legislators is to call 888-412-6570. You will be connected with your State Representative and State Senator.
10/19/2011 08:42:00 PM
Although there is the constitutional guarantee attached to our pensions rest assured that there will be a full frontal attack by our esteemed lawmakers who got us in this mess in the first place. They will attempt to cram legislative pension changes down our throats and then wait for the court fight to see where the pieces land. Get ready because it’s coming, there is no doubt about it. This is a fight that we have to stay in front of lest these crooks slip one by. It is imperative on our part to let your legislator know that they are being watched and held accountable.
To all of you new guys and gals listening to this crap. All you have to do is: actually take your gas mask out and put it on then put on your helmet. You will amazingly see that this is not true.
These helmets were used during 68, the bulls riots and TABD. Oh wait, none of you idiots typing were around then to know how dumb you sound
"Anonymous said...
look at some SGT.s, a LT, and 1 Capt. in 010,see how they treat the troops. imagine them as leaders , the minute you hit some one, you are the offender, as they speed dial IPRA, siding with the rioters,OH no officer you over reacted, he wasn't gong to throw that brick, he wanted to tell you he just found it.
10/19/2011 08:56:00 PM"
Who the heck are you talking about.
That's not the 010 I and a lot other cops there know. There are still some very good bosses there. Most of them in fact.
If you really work there you would know that. A clue can be found in the name plates if you know what to look for.
If you are from an outside unit doing a TRR in 010 lately this happened a night or two ago.
Some goof gets arrested, knocked down or TASED and brought into 010.
His play auntie or cousin of the CB# calls IPRA and beefs.
IPRA> then called 010, not the other way around.
The 010 Desk crew thought it was weird that IPRA was calling but it has happened before and could and will happen again there and other places.
Stay safe, 010 is a very good place to work.
These helmets were used during 68, the bulls riots and TABD. Oh wait, none of you idiots typing were around then to know how dumb you sound
10/20/2011 02:10:00 PM
No, they weren't. Obviously, YOU weren't around for 68 or the Bulls riots, or YOU would know they've been updated since then.
Not that it matters. The fact remains, current helmets won't cut it in a violent encounter.
This is total bs. I just tried mine on with the face shield down. It fits.
. ..I couldn't believe it. Here I was doing everything by the book according to procedures for retiring, and she expected me to go to two different locations on my retirement day.
10/20/2011 12:34:00 AM
Oh, the humanity! You had to drive to two places on your last day of work! The nerve of her to ask you to do that!
Anonymous said...
Why were civilians issued Avon respirators and sworn officers not given priority?
There are many civilians that have these.
10/20/2011 07:06:00 AM
I have 2. They are great. Defeat OC with no issue. Lucky for you guys Im on YOUR side of this mess we are about to be flung into.
It by no means is going to be pretty,organized or civil.While its always nice to unleash the dogs of war on these misfits,you and I both know there will be "commanders" wringing their hands and being more concerned with liabilities that they EVER were with yours and mines safety. Lacking equipment should become an IMMEDIATE OSHA complaint and a class action suit against this City.STEP UP FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR BROTHER OFFICER! FOP wont help because they are in with management as we all know all too painfully well.
If you need help filing your OSHA complaint,(best if done individually)contact me at yuseeffsmother@wordpress.com drop me an email there and I will do what I can to get the ball rolling for you guys.Its pretty damn sad that an outsider has to step up for the Chicago Police. You READING THIS MIKE SHIELDS?
Dave Simmons
Oh, the humanity! You had to drive to two places on your last day of work! The nerve of her to ask you to do that!
10/20/2011 11:33:00 PM
Traditionally,the "last day" is a time honored tradition where as the celebrant does ZERO on that day. And while he may have done zero his entire career,this is the day he is honored for it because he made it thru the shit pond called Chicago and survived the ordeal.
Enjoy your retirement Brother.
If youre in Arizona slide on by for a little equipment adjustment in a glass. Im out in Flagstaff in Cops Row. My place has the Star flying on a flag pole in front. Cant miss it and my address is an old beat tag. Your welcome any time.
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