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So where's the list the Department used to have of everyone with CDL's?
You know, the guys qualified to drive the Prisoner Vans?
You know...Prisoner Vans? Those big things that you can pack the prisoners into. Yes, we realize there were only two of them available up and running Saturday night. Where were the rest?
Oh, no drivers? And three hours to get a CTA bus? Driven by a CTA employee? Not too much liability there, eh?
And what was the total OT cost? For 175 arrest, most of whom were I-bonded out on BS city charges that aren't going to stick in court?
The protesters don't have to win the streets - all they have to do is tie up the manpower and bankrupt the city. That's as good as a win for them. Throw in a few frivolous lawsuits filed by bottom-feeding opportunistic lawyers and they can declare victory on every level.
Watch yourselves boys and girls.
You know, the guys qualified to drive the Prisoner Vans?
You know...Prisoner Vans? Those big things that you can pack the prisoners into. Yes, we realize there were only two of them available up and running Saturday night. Where were the rest?
Oh, no drivers? And three hours to get a CTA bus? Driven by a CTA employee? Not too much liability there, eh?
And what was the total OT cost? For 175 arrest, most of whom were I-bonded out on BS city charges that aren't going to stick in court?
The protesters don't have to win the streets - all they have to do is tie up the manpower and bankrupt the city. That's as good as a win for them. Throw in a few frivolous lawsuits filed by bottom-feeding opportunistic lawyers and they can declare victory on every level.
Watch yourselves boys and girls.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Throw in a few frivolous lawsuits filed by bottom-feeding opportunistic lawyers and they can declare victory on every level.
Watch yourselves boys and girls.
Which is exactly why the protesters at the G-8 / NATO can have down town. Fuck Punitive Damages, and fuck this town.
I have a class A CDL. I remember asking one of the guys driving the big van if it took a phonecall to get a job driving one. He responded "Yes". I still push a beatcar, and now they can kiss my ass. Don't call me when the chips are down
Bankrupting the city.
Yeah just think if we sent 175 juvees to the lock-up
I read that it's costing us something like $170K/year to lock up a male and something like $240K/yr for a female. Don't remember the exact numbers but it was something outrageous like that.
At those rates you have to ask yourself just who is being punished here. The kids doing the crime or the taxpayers?! Hell it works out to around $500 bucks a day and the taxpayers could buy a brand new iphone and give it to them cheaper than that. I mean since that is what many of these cta snatch and grabs are about.
OT. I went to the G8 training last week and when I asked the trainer on the first day when then gas us and the protesters will we get new masks? He told me "No we only have money for new masks not replacements" Ask them about about how many PO's were IOD vs. people arrested.
How fuckin hard is this ???
"It's 11:00 pm, the park is now closed. You have 15 minutes to vacate or you'll be sprayed with a fire hose. If you still refuse to vacate the park you will be arrested. Home by 1:00 am, no o.t. required.
LOLz!
I read the part about the protesters getting let go on I-Bonds.
Retro article on I-Bonds as a license to commit small time crime and deal drugs:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-09-04/news/9003140317_1_drug-users-county-jail-i-bond
Flashback to 1990. Crazy how 20 plus years changes everything in life.
Ok, Now it’s real!!
Bid CPD lockup keepers got there walking papers. If you’re a bid officer working the lockup, time to hit the streets. If you have been doing that job for 5, 10 years, hit the streets. Little dancer boy and his bottom feeder has taken the first step in sending more cops on the street. No new CPD hires. But they sure can use some more detention aids.
If I were in the lockup position for the last ten years, I would first, file my grievance, second, decide if I should sign the paper, third, request retraining. Show me how to work the cameras in the cars, complete an AIRA report, complete an arrest report, for that matter, get at minimum a refresher on new laws, general orders, special orders, search and seizure changes, vehicle pursuit policy, traffic enforcement… the list goes on.
Now how can the department throw them out on the street like this? Not to mention a direct violation of out collective bargaining agreement! Bid spots mean nothing?
So if the mayor and the police superintendent can just change things mid stream, throw this shit out to the media and public, again in violation to out collective bargaining agreement, then why should we honor this so called agreement? We should be able to use the same loop hole and strike, protest, exercise our right to lessen our “INDEX”.
Or better yet, since the city feels that the contract means nothing, than I feel I should be able to also take extreme measures to make the best financial decision for my bottom line. I need to move out of this shit hole. I can’t afford to live here. I’m feeling a financial hardship living under these high taxes, dangerous, under manned police state. Let’s throw some skin in the game. Wanna play emergency extreme protocol games, I’ll play.
All the civil unrest in recent days has been a wake up call to our leaders, cops, and citizens that we are in real trouble. I’m not going to get in the path of hundreds of protesters wanting to exercise a right to protest. I feel what they are out there for and will just let them move on. I just went to the G8 training. BULLSHIT. Holding a stick and holding a line will last about 4 seconds. When my partner steps out to struggle with a protester who wants to break the line, i'm going with my partner. WE are going home safe. Now what’s the rest of the police line to do? I hope you follow me, because were going this way boys!! So much for the police line. Most important, our pensions, safety and well being are at steak. You can kiss my bad back, knees and ASS!! I’m not putting myself out for this department. I’ve talked to many officers in recent days and we all feel the same. To the Mayor and department.. You better take better care of us or you’re going to find yourself on your own and a major media eye sore when the country watches the police crumble under your leadership.
There are no less than 6 of those prisoner vans parked in 001 on any given night. Neither Kennedy, Tina or Tobias could make a decision until past 1 am to start locking up these idiots...They gave verbal warnings before 11pm.
Anyone with any common sense could figure out that Anov'ing them would actually force them pay instead of costing the taxpayer several thousand dollars per arrestee for processing and ot. Its a slap in the face to the protestors to get ticketed and not be arrested being that they want to be physically arrested. Anov wouldlve been much faster too.
... Hell it works out to around $500 bucks a day and the taxpayers could buy a brand new iphone and give it to them cheaper than that...
10/18/2011 12:58:00 AM
O M G ! ! !
Please don't gives these morons any ideas !
Anonymous said...
How fuckin hard is this ???
"It's 11:00 pm, the park is now closed. You have 15 minutes to vacate or you'll be sprayed with a fire hose. If you still refuse to vacate the park you will be arrested. Home by 1:00 am, no o.t. required.
10/18/2011 01:24:00 AM
Who will issue that order? No one has the nerve to make quick decisions at the scene. They had to wait 3 hours for CTA buses? They could not find one officer that was qualified to drive the non-existent prisoner vans? And this is a very peaceful protest? Tina Skahill in charge at the scene? WOW
I wonder if the call to physically arrest them came from DTEB. He has always been one to demand the physical arrest because he wants the CB number.
We used to try and explain that sometimes its better to ANOV certain people, because the city needs the money.
But NNNOOO.....
Ok, Now it’s real!!
Bid CPD lockup keepers got there walking papers. If you’re a bid officer working the lockup, time to hit the streets.....
Dude, take it easy, it's not that bad out here. The only negative really, is that sweet dark blue uniform you spent your money on. You'll be ok, it is scary out here, but we'll help you acclimate, now hit the street!!!!!!
Ha ha hah ha hah hah!!!!!!!!
The protestors in Grant Park that night were peaceful and respectful towards the police. They should never have been arrested for just sending a message to the selfish corrupt politicians and corporate moguls. The Constitution allows us freedom of speech and assembly. We have lost all of our rights over the years. Maybe time we get them back. Maybe the next demonstration won't be so peaceful.
Solution: CTA drivers already have
CDL licenses so have them drive the
prisoner-transport vans with two
officers riding shotgun. Yes it can
be done because any ordinance here
in the city can be circumvented by
the mayor or city council if and
when it suits their purposes.
The powers that be stopped letting the prisoner van officers get that ot couple of years ago. Don't need the bodies ;just the truck. Right!
For those of you bashing the delay in arrests and not issuin ANOVs, stop. The good news is you haven't dealt with these protests very often, of course the bad news is you have spent your career in a shithole.
Waiting these protestors out a little wasnt a bad idea, they have been on their feet all day, standing around, getting high, come 1 am they are beat. The officers who were there and brought in were already working and are used to be up at that time. We need to bring the advantage to our side, especially since we are outnumbered 50-1. If ANOVs would have been issued and signed, guess what they are still in the park. Second the protestors would have never signed the ANOVs, which means officers would have wasted more time writing them and then having to arrest them anyway.
Do not listen to the comments on this site saying how friendly the protestors were, how we share some of the same ideals, because they are NOT your friend. They will set you up, video you, tape you, bait you, whatever it takes to get their message out.
“Bid CPD lockup keepers got there walking papers. If you’re a bid officer working the lockup, time to hit the streets.” 10/18/2011 02:01:00 AM
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Hey F.O.P. are you listening? This is a blatant violation of the contract! A full bid person CANNOT be replaced at all. We won this right years ago. If the city arbitrarily takes these full bid P/Os out of their rightful positions there better be hell to pay. If Tiny Dancer 9.5 can just violate a contract on one point anytime he wishes without being held accountable, you better bet he will violate it in other ways.
Every officer and city employee should be upset by this even if you are not in a bid position. These are YOUR rights that this crook is violating. This violation may not affect you now, but down the road this precedent will affect you in some other way. Think about it. We need to stick together.
There are no less than 6 of those prisoner vans parked in 001 on any given night. Neither Kennedy, Tina or Tobias could make a decision until past 1 am to start locking up these idiots...They gave verbal warnings before 11pm.
Anyone with any common sense could figure out that Anov'ing them would actually force them pay instead of costing the taxpayer several thousand dollars per arrestee for processing and ot. Its a slap in the face to the protestors to get ticketed and not be arrested being that they want to be physically arrested. Anov wouldlve been much faster too.
10/18/2011 02:12:00 AM
You are clueless. Total retard.
You think people are going to leave THE PROTEST after getting ANOV'd?
What makes you think would be "forced" to pay anything?
To the many civilians who read this blog, consider one of the many ramifications that this continuing civil unrest; and the upcoming disaster in May, that will affect you personally. When you have a problem that you feel merits a police response, be prepared to handle it yourself, because the police AREN'T COMING, for obvious reasons.
Now I know that this is alresdy a reality in some parts of the city, but for the rest of you, get ready. Unless there is a life threatening need for assistance, don't bother calling.
In another time of this country's history, this might not be such a big deal, but these days a vast majority of Americans cannot wipe themselves after a crap without government review, approval, tutorial, and financial help.
To some of the wannabe hippie protesters out there, be careful what you wish for. With deference to Bob Dylan, the times aren't just changing. They're changed. And not necessarily for the good.
Lawyers for the arrested protesters in NYC want blanket dismissal of all charges or say they will demand trial in each case. This will have the effect of tying up their courts.
Bid CPD lockup keepers got there walking papers. If you’re a bid officer working the lockup, time to hit the streets. If you have been doing that job for 5, 10 years, hit the streets.
stop being a fucking crybaby...you are a police officer. Now try acting like one
2:01 am, I'm with you all the way brother--- I'm not putting my hands on anyone unless they are an assailant against me or another officer--- if I get sent down there, I will be putting on a ski mask and removing my button and name tag--- the first supervisor who tells me to take it off can start filling out the iod report---it's sad that it has come down to this, but the city will serve you up to the wolves the first chance they get--- my wife and kids will not suffer because the city won't back me up....
I have a CDL but I'll be damned if I want my name on the department's list. I paid for my training and I took the test at my expense on my own time. If they pay me a CDL stipend or out of grade, then OK, otherwise hell no.
I bonds!!!
What a joke!!!! So we (tax payer) are paying them to disrupt everyday business and to go against the grain....They have to pay absolutely nothing, just waste a little time (they have nothing but time). On the other hand, they tie up the system, cause overtime, pay no repercussions, cause traffic jams, ECT....
The city really showed them!!! I bet they wont do that again...
Seiser drives an 18-wheeler to work every day.
Gosh who would of thought that?
Maybe we should listen to what these people have to say after all.
Tea Party & OWS - part 1
Anonymous said...
There are no less than 6 of those prisoner vans parked in 001 on any given night. Neither Kennedy, Tina or Tobias could make a decision until past 1 am to start locking up these idiots...They gave verbal warnings before 11pm.
Well I'll tell you what, I'm a police officer. I'm not afraid to make a decision. The park closes at 11pm, then you must be out if the park or you will be arrested. The first arrest starts at 11. These bosses have no balls. The want their spots for the long run. Give me, a lowly PO, the chance to be a boss. Sure, another scared boss, will want me out of my position. But during my time, I will get things done. I'm not afraid of stupid political backlash. Everything is a mess politically anyway. If a boss can't make a decision for 2 hours, then they cannot lead anyone in this department. I know we can't just rush in, that would be foolish. But that's why we preplan and train. Right?
So 175 people were cited and to what end?
That we will not tolerate freedom of assembly and free speech? That the political apparatus can extort $87,000 dollars in fines from the weak members of our society because they don't have any political clouted connections?
Who's safety was being threatened? Who's rights were being violated? Who/where's the complainant?
The police departments primary purpose is to protect it's citizens.
Six people were shot Saturday night and one killed.
There was an HBT incident in progress at the time and the city leaders were amassing a little army to present a show of force for this b.s. instead -- and to what end? What purpose does it serve?
Yeah I know it's the law.
We have laws on Illegal Immigration that are much more damaging to society that are being ignored. Laws on banking frauds being ignored, union contracts signed and in writing being ignored, pension obligations being ignored...constitutional rights being ignored and superseded by corporate and political influence.
This city is losing it. They are losing their minds over the power grabs.
Save money then get rid on Commanders of Units that can be run by a LT or captain.
Now how can the department throw them out on the street like this? Not to mention a direct violation of out collective bargaining agreement! Bid spots mean nothing?
Lock up coppers are not being thrown out onto the streets. If you go to the FOP web site you will find info about that situation which states any lock up keeper will be kept inside. They also will retain their bid spot in case the city, at some future time, re-opens the closed lock ups. The only way anyone will see the streets is if they submit a TO-FROM stating that they wish to give up their bid spot.
This is in our contract, page 40. Read the last sentence,The Employer agrees not to eliminate any Unit Duty Assignments listed in this Section for the duration of this contract.
Am I missing something here? Because according to the FOP (look on their web site under Current Updates)they say that the city CAN
civilianize the lock-up keepers spot.
Section 23.9 — Filling Unit Duty Assignments.
This Section shall apply only to the following jobs within the units set forth in Section 23.8: Warrant Clerk, Summary Investigation Detective, Review Investigation Detective, Review Officers, Detective Division Administrative Desk Duty Assignment, District Desk, District Watch Relief, or Lockup only as specifically set forth below. The Employer agrees not to eliminate any Unit Duty Assignments listed in this Section for the duration of this contract.
LOL @ This City!
This city is so upside down, the law says that you need a CDl with a P" endorsement to transport a bus with 16 or more passengers, Way back a long time ago, legal affairs casts its opinion that prisoners were passengers. Not so they are just that prisoners. Our prisoner vans way less then 26,001 lbs so you do not need a CDL. But the city says you do, you can have a class A license or B, but you still need the P endorsement for the prisoner vans.
you work in 001 0r 18 and for once have to deal with some adversity and violence!I WILL PU MY MONDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT IN ENGLEWOOD AGAINST YOUR BUSIEST NIGHT IN YOUR CUSHY RETIREMENT DISTRICT ANYDAY!WOWW!
Anonymous said...
Seiser drives an 18-wheeler to work every day.
10/18/2011 01:11:00 PM
And it's name is Optimus
stop being a fucking crybaby...you are a police officer. Now try acting like one
10/18/2011 10:00:00 AM
Sorry but your missing the point here. It's not about being afraid of the street or a cry baby. It's about a direct violation of our contract. DO NOT ALLOW TINY DANCER 9.5 TO VIOLATE OUR CONTRACT!!
you work in 001 0r 18 and for once have to deal with some adversity and violence!I WILL PU MY MONDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT IN ENGLEWOOD AGAINST YOUR BUSIEST NIGHT IN YOUR CUSHY RETIREMENT DISTRICT ANYDAY!WOWW!
10/18/2011 08:54:00
WOW!....aint you just the coolest thing....let me guess..you tell your buddys stories about how you did this or got that...probally at bourbon street...WHO GIVES A FUCK!!...wait until you have to do a financial discloser when you get your first real lawsuit...hmmmm...maybe 001/018 not so bad...most of us that work in 001/018 have been there...done that...so do your time KID...and someday you will be burned out...and begging to come to the land of paradise...(001/018)...
How many have a "P" endorsement as required to operate the prisoner transport wagon. You need more than a "CDL". You have to have a CDL and the P.
Anonymous said...
From the FOP website:
New Helmets? We Already have Helmets 10/18/11
The Department has apparently discovered that there is a problem with the helmets that were issued to all Deparmtment members. The helmet shield cannot be lowered while wearing a gas mask. How does the Department intend on fixing the problem?
Those officers in voluntary units (tactical teams, etc) may be required to purchase a new helmet or be reassigned. The cost of the new helmet is upwards of $200.00.
RIOT HELMETS????
We are not wearing RIOT HELMETS. As pointed out numerous times by the Academy staff, our helmets have DOT stamped on the back. Dept of Trans. Our helmets are not to be used for riot situations. They are for riding bikes. Thats it. No impact protection from bricks, bats, etc.....
When will we be issued the proper equipment? Federal money should be there to pay for it. FOP?
Anonymous said...
The protestors in Grant Park that night were peaceful and respectful towards the police. They should never have been arrested for just sending a message to the selfish corrupt politicians and corporate moguls. The Constitution allows us freedom of speech and assembly. We have lost all of our rights over the years. Maybe time we get them back. Maybe the next demonstration won't be so peaceful.
10/18/2011 08:37:00 AM
Give em an inch, they will try for more. Enforce the ordinances as you should. If they "mayor" wants them to be allowed in the park after hours, come up with a "special after hours in the park permit". Otherwise, we shouldnt look the other way.
Hey hot shot from englewood how about you go stroke your ego elsewhere because nobody gives a shit! I'll continue pulling my State st. Robbery missions and El check events... while drinking my coffee. So go Fuck yourself. And no, not everyone made it there on phone calls. And yes it is a retirement dist. Continue having fun in a Rap and having lunches denied.
“Bid CPD lockup keepers got there walking papers. If you’re a bid officer working the lockup, time to hit the streets.” 10/18/2011 02:01:00 AM
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Hey F.O.P. are you listening? This is a blatant violation of the contract! A full bid person CANNOT be replaced at all. We won this right years ago. If the city arbitrarily takes these full bid P/Os out of their rightful positions there better be hell to pay. If Tiny Dancer 9.5 can just violate a contract on one point anytime he wishes without being held accountable, you better bet he will violate it in other ways.
Every officer and city employee should be upset by this even if you are not in a bid position. These are YOUR rights that this crook is violating. This violation may not affect you now, but down the road this precedent will affect you in some other way. Think about it. We need to stick together.
10/18/2011 08:49:00 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with this post. The silence from the FOP on this is deafening.
Regardless of whether you sympathize with the lockup keepers or not it's a blatant and clear violation of our contract. It sets a dangerous precedent if left unchallenged.
Today lockup keepers tomorrow who knows?
The FOP needs to take action and get very vocal in the media about this egregious violation of our contract at the hands of Napolean(AKA Rahm).
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