Monday, October 17, 2011

Proposed Re-Maps

Someone was kind enough to post this in the comment section.

It originally appeared on 32nd Ward Aldercreature Scott Waguespack's website. Someone said Waguespack is losing two police stations - 013 and 019. We have no idea as to the aldermanic boundaries, but this would be a helluva slap if true. That means he has no input to two of the most coveted spots any aldercreature can grant.

In any event, the borders are hard to follow but appear to show the affected districts are simply being folded directly into existing ones, which makes little sense at all. Why not just redraw the maps citywide? It hasn't been done since Summerdale and population has shifted so much that a wholesale remap might be politically viable for the first time in three generations.


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40 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It looks like Rahm is taking revenge against any free-thinking "NON-MACHINE" Alderman.

10/17/2011 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Summer dale, OW Wilson and his beat revamping came along in '61, '62, 63. Last realignment was '81 when 025 opened and as far as I'm concerned the beats are too big in taxpayer areas and too small with too much coverage in taxtaker areas.

Let those fuckers police themselves and don't let my house and family be at the mercy of the animal.

10/17/2011 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now let's get petions going to recuce wards to 11 , 2 police districts for each ward.

10/17/2011 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some one answer this question:

Say i was a successful bidder to a district that now management evaporates. Then they send me to another district in violation of my rights, can i grieve the move and receive additional compensation?

In other words, whats keeping the city from wipping out every district, thus all our bids?

10/17/2011 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to keep in mind that Alderman Waguespack is a very ineffective alderman who is one of the biggest thorns in the City Council. He is more concerned with Food Cars in the city then issues in his own ward. He has no power in the council. It is unfortunate for the people of his ward.

10/17/2011 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I still like the idea of putting 22 aldermen in the old CAPS office w/ a P.O.. Then WE can keep an eye on them and the taxpayers save all that money on renting office space for them and hiring staff.

I love the idea of the desk crew telling people 'that's not a police matter, but the alderman's office is right down the hall'.

10/17/2011 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't they remap citywide? Because the existing police brass is too stupid to know how to effectively draw it. One of the biggest reasons 019 got the axe is because the brand new alderman who defeated Shulter's prodigy gets screwed and nobody in the council cares. He is an outsider without any political capital.

10/17/2011 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I predict that some moron(s) will now suggest that each police district constitute the boundaries of one ward, totally oblivious of the fact that wards are determined by EQUAL POPULATION.

Should the 8th Dist. with nearly 250,000 people be given representation equal to the 1st Dist. with a population only 1/10 that size? NO!

The 8th Dist. alone would qualify as the second largest city in Illinois.

10/17/2011 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Realign District boundries , every district should have 15 beat cars and 3 wagons .

10/17/2011 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI, Ald. Waguespack was quoted in teh Scum Times BEFORE the "consolidations" were announced that he didn't have a problem with 013 closing. Now he's whining like a little girl that he's losing TWO districts.

BTW, when he first posted these maps, he also posted the CONFIDENTIAL power point that went with it that had the photos of the new commanders of the merged districts. And guess what, the commanders had yet to be told! I know for a fact that pulling up that link is how at least one found out!!

I'd say there's a good shot old Waguespack will be remapped out of district in the next couple of months and his ward will have horrible city services for a while. No snow plows for Wicker Park and Bucktown!

Can't help but wonder where Waggie and the SIX other alderman who have parts of their Wards in 013 been for the last ten years while the place fell further into decay? Alderman who fought for new stations -- 23 (Tunney) and 12 (no idea) are to be commended for getting those new stations built.

10/17/2011 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One alderman per district

Office in the district station

solves the cost of excessive part time positions $$$$$, need for security, office rental, and visibility.

10/17/2011 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

leave his constituents in a no-mans land. He gave tiny dancer an inch and he took a mile and broke it off in Waguespuck's ass. Something to remember for upcoming contract negotiations.

10/17/2011 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought Proco Joe 1st Ward was losing two stations as well.

10/17/2011 10:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(Not salty) says Re map all districts ! Why should most police work while others sleep ...Even the work load !

10/17/2011 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would venture that redrawing all district boundaries or every beat would take considerable work. I believe that they want to close these stations relatively soon. I agree with one writer, that beats should be larger in the high crime areas. Base the beats on population, just as the aldermanic wards are based. You can add extra manpower with cover cars and zone cars.

10/17/2011 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Say i was a successful bidder to a district that now management evaporates. Then they send me to another district in violation of my rights, can i grieve the move and receive additional compensation?

In other words, whats keeping the city from wipping out every district, thus all our bids?



Don't know. But make sure you let us know how you are enjoying Englewood on midnights.

10/17/2011 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
some one answer this question:

Say i was a successful bidder to a district that now management evaporates. Then they send me to another district in violation of my rights, can i grieve the move and receive additional compensation?

In other words, whats keeping the city from wipping out every district, thus all our bids?

10/17/2011 01:14:00 AM

Why stress yourself? The City will do what it wants. Really, you think you matter?

10/17/2011 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BREAKING NEWS!!!

This just in. . .

The districts will be assigned to three Patrol and Detective Areas as follows:

NORTH (9 dists): 011, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020, 023, 024, 025

CENTRAL (8 dists): 001, 002, 003, 008, 009, 010, 012, 018

SOUTH (5 dists): 004, 005, 006, 007, 022

The time line for district consolidations is:

019 to 023: Jan 12
021 to 001/002: MAR 12
013 to 012: JUN 12 (dependent upon completion of new 012)

There will be three Detective and Patrol area commands as follows, all in Jan 12:

North Patrol: 025 facility (existing A/5)

North Detective: 019 facility (existing A/3)

Central Patrol: 010 District

Central Detective: 002 facility (existing A/1)

South Patrol: 005 facility (existing A/2)

South Detective: 005 facility (existing A/2)


- A Supervisor Who Knows

10/17/2011 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey here is an idea put Ex-Mayor Daley (clouted) streets and San workers in a rotating day off group so when it snows you already have people working and not paying out major overtime money.

10/17/2011 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In other words, whats keeping the city from wipping out every district, thus all our bids?

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no reason they could not do so. say by realigning districts and labeling them as A, B, C, ...

10/17/2011 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree totally! Redraw the beat maps. Some areas have no houses on the existing beats. They are missing an opportunity to do things right. City bussiness as usual; just do a half @$$ job.

Beat Cop Roving On the Beat.

10/17/2011 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is the alderman losing a district Instead of being part of 13 he will be part of 12. My question here is why does everyone assume 13 and 19 lose everything. In my opinion they are not being eliminating they are merging. B boundries apply and personnel.

10/17/2011 04:18:00 PM  
Anonymous 8:27 AM said...

"One alderman per district." - 10:14 AM

I knew it. Wards (NOT police districts) must have equal populations, moron. Can you understand that concept?

10/17/2011 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waguespack's ward has to be one of the worst for potholes. The guy does not have one ally in the City Council. His dumb constituents keep reelecting him because none of them ever grew up in the city

10/17/2011 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waguspecks ward has way too many people and will be downsized to bring it to 53,900 before the next election. Right now it has over 63,000 residents.

http://robparal.com/downloads/Wards/Ward0010.htm

As for criticism of the little pencilneck geek at least he fights the good fight. He was one of the few aldermen who opposed the parking meter deal. The machine hack who ran against him in February was backed by DICK Mell.

Yeah, I'll take WAGS over those bloodsuckers any day.

At the end of the remapping process WAGS new ward boundaries may or may not include a police station.

10/17/2011 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is the alderman losing a district Instead of being part of 13 he will be part of 12. My question here is why does everyone assume 13 and 19 lose everything. In my opinion they are not being eliminating they are merging. B boundries apply and personnel.

10/17/2011 04:18:00 PM
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It makes a BIG difference when you can't walk over to the 13th district to handle your police matter (whatever it is), and have to find a way to get to 012.

It makes a difference when you live on the southwest end of 019 and now have to haul down to 023 on a Cubs game day, to handle whatever you need to.

Suddenly, these people are deprived of local services in their neighborhoods, no matter how you Rahm-planted trolls spin it.

10/17/2011 06:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Supervisor who knows...you are incorrest about the Area Three Patrol North location. It will remain at Belmont & Western. A/5 Detectives are joining as well. It does not make any sense to have so many districts North and only 5 districts south. Besides nothing has been decided just yet about the Patrol Area Locations.

10/17/2011 06:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should the 8th Dist. with nearly 250,000 people be given representation equal to the 1st Dist. with a population only 1/10 that size? NO!

The 8th Dist. alone would qualify as the second largest city in Illinois.

10/17/2011 08:27:00 AM
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Up to sixteen hours a day, the 001st district has one of the largest populations in the state.

Or, do you think all those tall buildings and that pretty Board of Trade are made of styrofoam and cardboard and put there just for your amusement?

10/17/2011 06:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Little birdie told me that Ernie Brown and Eugene Williams are leaving the job. The top contenders will be Dana Alexander for Chief of Patrol and his Executive Officer will be Wayne Gulliford. This move will leave Escalante to take over Patrol Central and Tobias will be Patrol North. I did not hear about Patrol South yet nor have they decided how many districts will be there either.

10/17/2011 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone else hear the fact that only 60% of the PO's from 19th district are moving to 23rd district? Rumor has it that anyone with less than 10 years will be shifted to the ghetto districts.

10/17/2011 06:48:00 PM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

Let's take a look at the methodology for drawing up beat boundaries within districts from 30-40 years ago. The number of beats within any district ranged from 16 to 36 beats. Each block in the city was weighted for service calls as follows:

4 points = murder, sexual assaults, robberies and aggravated batteries.

3 points = other Part I (property) crimes.

2 points = misdemeanor arrests.

1 point = all other calls for service.

It was a semiannual process with both winter and summer beat realignments.

With the proviso that the demographics of crime have changed over the years expanding from the inner city to outlying areas, back then a district such as 016 would have less than 20 beats while 002 (with the nation's largest housing projects) and 011 would have about 35 beats each.

In area, some of the beats near the city limits were 2 or 3 sq. miles large. Conversely, the smallest beat in the city was Beat 1010 bounded by Douglas Blvd., 16th St., Christiana and Trumbull Ave., only 1/64th of a sq. mile (at 15th & Homan, you could see all 4 blocks in Beat 1010.

There were several other beats only slightly larger in 002, 003, 007 and 011. The only tiny beat in the north part of the city centered on Broadway and Wilson in 020.

We would have three roll calls on each shift: early, late and "power" cars (today they are called "rapid response" cars). There were no "power" cars in the slower districts.

I believe that with some tweaks, this formula for manpower distribution made sense.

10/17/2011 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

How is the alderman losing a district Instead of being part of 13 he will be part of 12. My question here is why does everyone assume 13 and 19 lose everything. In my opinion they are not being eliminating they are merging. B boundries apply and personnel.

10/17/2011 04:18:00 PM


You can bet that not all of 019's officers will go to 023. Maybe 60% will go, the rest will go to the land of Harold's Chicken Shacks.

10/17/2011 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re-maping whould be the best plan of action, but who would do it is the problem. This would be to much like right. The last time they drew up beat maps for the whole city was 1978. I think its time.......

10/17/2011 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous 8:27 AM said...

6:39 PM

You miss the point. Aldermanic representation is based on equal RESIDENT population per ward. Many, perhaps most of the people who descend on the Loop during the 2nd watch don't even reside in Chicago.

10/17/2011 10:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Supervisor who knows...you are incorrest about the Area Three Patrol North location. It will remain at Belmont & Western. A/5 Detectives are joining as well. It does not make any sense to have so many districts North and only 5 districts south. Besides nothing has been decided just yet about the Patrol Area Locations.

It's done and already on paper....

10/18/2011 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to this OEMC website we have 4.8 officers for every 1000 residents so the 016th district who has 200,000 residents should have 960 police officers.
http://www.theiacp.org/Portals/0/pdfs/LEIM/2011Presentations/LEIM_Lewin.pdf

10/18/2011 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the 70's Police Officers were required to stay on their Beat for 8 hours .

10/18/2011 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The secret powerpoint shown to the aldermen actually has MORE sworn in the new 023 than adding together the sworn from the old 019 & 023. Same for 012 / 013. Probably Rahm's lie though, just to get them to agree to it.

10/18/2011 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous O'Brien said...

Northside is correct in his recall of the way beats used to be designed. A minor discrepancy in his narrative is that there were no power cars on the 1st Watch, and not all districts had power cars. Those power cars by the way, generally worked from 6 PM to 2 AM, except on the weekends their hours were 8Pm to 4 AM. The other thing that was tried back around that time was something called Saturation Beats. They existed in the generally slower districts, like 8 (back then). All regular beats in 8, 14 at the time, were one man, and there were 4 or 6, I don't remember which, Saturation Beats numbered in the 30's, which were also one man.

10/18/2011 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 01:14 am.............They can eliminate any unit they want and your only recourse is to bid to an opening based on seniority. So i would venture to say if you dont have 15 plus years on the job your not gonna make the bid with your fellow officers to 023.....

10/19/2011 01:57:00 PM  

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