We Don't Need No Help
- Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said the city doesn’t need more cops as it faces a $635 million budget gap.
“So far we're showing we can get the job done with less,” McCarthy told the Tribune editorial board on Friday. “I just can’t in good conscious [sic] say that we need more when we’re not operating at peak efficiency.
The department has moved almost 900 cops to beat patrols since the end of May, due primarily to the disbanding of two specialized units and the transfer of cops from desk jobs. The move has come following a campaign pledge made by McCarthy’s boss, Mayor Rahm Emanuel, to put more than 1,000 officers on the streets. Critics contend he’s simply shuffling officers around.
Well duh. Rahm is shuffling people around. And at some point, it's going to be painfully obvious. Downtown is making asinine claims of not just double-digit reductions in crime, but double digits in the 20% and greater area. At this rate, there shouldn't be any crime in Chicago.
But there is. Lots of it. Some of the pressure is off, but no one should mistake that for crime reduction. Even McCarthy has an idea that something isn't entirely correct:
But there is. Lots of it. Some of the pressure is off, but no one should mistake that for crime reduction. Even McCarthy has an idea that something isn't entirely correct:
- McCarthy acknowledged he could cut the department’s $1.3 billion budget by eliminating the vacant posts. But he said he wants to hold on to those positions for when the economy turns around and replacements could be hired.
Remember that - remember who's saying it. When the shit hits the fan, the CPD will be all up to strength to keep everyone safe - after 6 months in the Academy.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
128 Comments:
We got us plenty o cops up in here! The district I work in is down over 100 officers. We used to have over 300, now we have just a few over 200.
Yup, plenty of police here. 1 on time due and we're down the wagon and 1 beat car.
Not a rumor but fact. People got letters to report for the academy 17 October class. One of them is a relative of a friend of mine and I saw the letter. We need more but at least its a start.
I think Rahm and the McSupe will both be looking for new jobs after the G-8/NATO riots.
Slash the number of aldermen from 50 to 25, right off the bat you will be saving well over 50 MILLION! This will never happen because the mayor still needs his rubber stamp. Just remember you reep what you sow
You know, if I were a reporter, I would request the case reports for thefts and see if they might not have really been burglaries that are reclassified.
If I were a reporter, I would requests case reports for aggravated batteries and check to see if a homicide was recorded when Pookie didn't die right away but at a later time.
On top of it, how many crimes go unreported because the police couldn't respond until much later and by that time the victim has left or no longer wants to talk to the police?
But the truth will not come out because reporters are lazy. Unless the story is handed to them in a gift wrapped box, they will not go out of their way to verify a story, or confirm the reports given to them by city hall or the brass.
Even when they are given a story, if the story does not fit with their agenda, the story does not run.
So if crime is down, why do the citizens of Chicago not feel any safer? There is an answer to this Chicago news reporters, but not one of you will really dig deep to find how the citizens are lied to in a big way by the pols and the exempts.
Hey the CPD is kciking ass and taking names. Been working very hard to make the city safer. Crime has dropped every year since our last contract. Every year it has dropped at least 10 to 20 percent. I think in the private sector with results like that the employee is appreciated and rewarded. So we should expect a rewarding contract for doing mote with less. Hello FOP keep that on the list for the battle ahead. Great job Guys and Gals and a ribbon will not suffice!!!!!
Not only do we not need more police right now... BUT rumor has it we had police Dept's from all over the country volunteering to send officers here for the May fest G8/Nato summit. But We don't need anybody. C.P.D. can handle it with our depleted man power, No thanks fellow officers, but we appreciate it. HMMM. Could be the debacle of the century, or maybe not. But these protesters are organized and modern communications only help them and hinder us.
. . . 23 minutes to get a backup here at Foster and Harlem on a 'Burglary in Progress' last week . . .
FUCK YOU Bastard.
Well Washington just awarded something like $57 million dollars to the city/county/state to be used for security of the summits.
I imagine it's a free-for-all right now with everyone trying to grab their share.
Maybe every aldermen will have their own driver now huh?
Crime is dropping all over the place they say..20% for 8 consecutive weeks now they say...yet the actions don't meet the words..
you know what I'm talking about.
See crime's down. They take down that gun ban in the city and crime is already down by 20%.
Now when we get concealed carry it will drop again. And when they decriminalize pot it will really drop.
Soon it will be like the Maytag repairman around here....they'll be nothin' to do!
The longer you say it the more people will believe it. Emmanuel can start bicycle programs, open new unneeded parks, and throw money around when it makes him look good. The city now will tolerate what they believe is an "acceptable" amount of crime...even murder. This is the new government we have. When you go out you had better be looking around 360. Relaxing in your house...better have that Glock sitting right next to you.
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
I saw the Channel 2 CBS news last night and there was a segment done with McCarthy that was horrible. The camera's were in the CompStat meeting and McCarthy was berating and chastizing a room ful of CPS commanders and others.
It was truly one of the hardest to watch news reports I have ever seen. I don't know who could work in that type of environment - it was verbally abuse and oppressive. I thought, those CPD people must live on hell working there and that must trickle down to the ranks.
Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
We're short cars too. Are they going to fix the broken vehicles anytime soon? Or is it more foot patrols? Our regular truck has been down for injectors for months now. They're now sure if they'll fix it. The repair has to be approved they say.
As everyone knows, Rahm and McCarthy are short timers. They fully intend to run this into the ground. They have 3 years and 7 months to survive here. They think the big national newsworthy, attention getting catastrophe resulting from a broken down police department will take place after they're gone.
Huge gamble.
The problem with this is that the previous administration operated under the same assumption since at least 2003 and we are now in the most dangerous time EVER for law abiding citizens and police officers alike. Hey media, instead of parroting their bullshit numbers, start asking how come the FBI doesn't trust or use Chicago crime stats?
They think Chicago is populated by stupid LINK card drones, illegals to be pandered to, and residual white trash that can be told anything.
They may be right.
I hope the FOP is renting billboards and using these types of statement as part of their, excuse me, our p.r. campaign for contract talks. If we are doing more with less, then we should reap the benefits.
i have to side a bit with the Supe on this. Yes, we need some more people. But we also need more people doing their job. Too many coppers dont do shit and dont care to do shit. They just show up, collect a check, and go on the medical each summer or some shit. Sit in on one of the compstat meetings some time. Bosses and their units clueless and lazy.
NATO G8 UNPREPAED Start the blame Game vow
For the next several years, the economy isn't going to "turn around," it's going to get worse, and worse still. This is because the incompetent buffoons in Congress keep getting re-elected, and they are ultimately responsible for our economic mess. Congress passed the laws taking tariffs off imported goods, and making it economical for U.S. companies to ship their factories overseas. Only Congress can pass the needed laws to reverse all of this, and bring the jobs back home, but they WON'T.
If McCarthy wants to agree with Rahm that we can somehow get by with less cops, let him say it. But he shouldn't add that more cops will be hired as soon as the economy gets better, because that isn't going to happen any time soon.
Where are the billions of dollars from the sale of the Skyway and the Parking Meters? Has any reporter asked Rahm The Destroyer where is all that money? Daley? And just like that, its gone!
Its a simple solution, sell our blue light cameras to cities that would actually use them.
This is how they reduce crime:
If there was a homicide on October 1, 2010 at six o'clock in the evening and there was no homicide on October 1, 2011 at six o'clock in the evening, then that means...wait for it...
A 100% reduction in crime!
All of these bean counters can kiss my hairy white ass. They help the liars in city hall keep up the farce. Meanwhile, my family is less safe in this city.
Yeah, asshole. We do more with less and had five officers killed in the line of duty last year.
That's their idea of more with less. They keep more money and we're less safe doing our jobs.
Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
10/01/2011 06:29:00 AM
Translation: I'm not a cop because I haven't worked in years. And I'm a psychologist because I got my degree in police psychology from Adler in my spare time. Now I want them to leave me alone at meetings.
I saw that segment on channel 2 I got 27 yrs on and it was hard to watch it shows what kind of leadership we have to sit there and let Mcgoofy talk to them like that it was bad.
BS crimes are down , the major Part 1 crimes are steady or up (auto theft)
This is going to bite the City Admin right in the ass big time.
Rahm might be going to prison after his behind the scenes moves in the Solyndra (sp) loan debacle come forth. Maybe his buddy Barry too. One half billion doollar loans to huge campaign contributors has gor to be illegal.
This guy has imbibed too much of Rahm's Kool Aid.
Go back East you ass wipe!
AMATEURS. That is probably the nicest label CPD should have in today's environment.
Until you get REAL leadership and not cowards or belittling idiot egos in command positions, CPD will continue to be a second-rate, no make that third-rate, organization that looks to the past for "the way it used to be".
Chicago has always been a rough town, but it had a good police department.
Now, it is getting rougher and yet the police department command structure is loaded with clouted goofs and egomaniacs that could never command in a real situation, let alone a combat situation.
If I as an outsider can see these major leadership flaws, it does not say much for your superintendent as well as the mayor.
More citizens (at least the ones who pay taxes) should demand a more professional approach with real leaders put in place and all the clouted goofs off the payroll.
We have too may Detectives too (according to him). Too bad for anyone one the current list. Looks like they will NEVER make another class
the manpower is important but what will happen next june is what I'm worried about--- the city bit themselves in the ass by giving us a five year contract--- it was done to avoid conflict with the union during an election year--- now the negotiations will be conducted before and during the nato/g8 summits and the city has come out and said they want a contract done on time--- if the city comes to the table with anything less than fair the rank and file will be grumbling and it could spell disaster for rahmbo and gmac--- a pissed off and demoralized police department about to take on thousands of anarchists and goons who want to come here and shred this town to pieces, the perfect storm....
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
10/01/2011 05:55:00 AM
Start charging the people who use/abuse our services for each time we respond. $50 Everytime we have to respond to a BS domestic. $100 everytime we have to try and get your kids to listen. Start collecting fees they use for ambulance service. Taxpayers who dint use the service are stuck paying for those who do. Time to rethink it.
Isn't it true that once the 60 or 70 new hires hit the street than 50 openings are to pop up in Public Trans siphoning off more police from patrol. Thats what we need more do nothings calling for beat cars to do there job.
To the post about where are they gonna find the revenue. Do not let yourself fall to brainwashing. The mayor and council just approved 7 mil for a nature park, they looking at spending 16 mil for boat houses on the river, bike lanes cost money. They are milking the we are broke mantra to the hilt but haven't stopped spending money. I could go on and on about expenditures from this mayor and the previous. Remember our contract. They cried broke to the media but when it came time for arbitration they didn't say they couldn't pay,which the fop showed that they were not broke and could afford it, they said they did'nt want to pay.
"Good Conscious"???? Wouldn't it be "Conscience" Buffoon!
Sure, no time due for anybody but he says we are not short. Maybe the next time mcCarthy needs time off the Mayor should deny him!!
Asshole
We are getting raises for doing such a good job, right??
The Supt. is scum like the rest of them. He gets paid to lie to the public with a straight face. Just another puppet to twist the truth. The truth hurts, so twist the facts, or just plain lie! Can't anyone ever tell the truth anymore? It is just plain sick that nobody calls him out on the shit he spews. I hope this city burns come May. Where will the fingers be pointed then?
...It was truly one of the hardest to watch news reports I have ever seen. I don't know who could work in that type of environment - it was verbally abuse and oppressive. I thought, those CPD people must live on hell working there and that must trickle down to the ranks.
...and now you know the rest of the story. The history of this department is nothing less than rampant patronage and cronyism. That along with the J-Fled debacle caused the CPD to downward spiral in an institutional shock and depression. It's not about money or benefits, it's about the sense of fairplay and the fact that cops have to work for clout heavy imbiciles who have zero managerial skills and most "have been nowhere and done nothing." This is also exacerbated by the fact that daley and now this rahm idiot have pandered to the reverends and thus the gangbangers and let them know in no uncertain terms that the "greedy polices" are the enemy of society, especialy minorities and we will take care of them for you. This all out war against the blueshirt has polarized the city and only a few "thigh holster" wearing McChumps destined for callback are "working" now. As the CPS kids pile up at the morgue,the average officer now just commutes from call to call laughing and avoiding any visible crime or handwavers like a taxicab with a fair already in the back seat. So now you know why the police will give the G8 protesters the "keys to the city" and every piece of shit from rodgers park to Englewood will seize the opportunity and distraction and the looting will be horrendous. Daley Obummer Rahm and his boys are done even without the G8, so this should fuck them real good. I don't know who in the world could ever vote these pieces of shit in offce again. But money and influence buys everything , just ask Frank (P.O.S.) Main.
isn't there an academy class starting in October?...or are they going to do what they've done in years past and pull the plug at the very last second?
When McCarthy needs to express his opinion, Rahm Emanuel will tell it to him.
Rahm will also tell McCarthy when it is OK to ask for more police officers.
Anonymous said...
Not a rumor but fact. People got letters to report for the academy 17 October class. One of them is a relative of a friend of mine and I saw the letter. We need more but at least its a start.
10/01/2011 12:21:00 AM
Yes, but let the truth be told that only 50 will be hired. The feds wanted 100 and Rahm told the academy to prepare for 64 recruits. Now they sclaed the class down to 50 recruits. Why? Also remember this new class was hired to work the CTA. 50 new recruits for street duty and 50 veterans will be reassigned to public transportation. In the meantime, the retirement rate continues.
I saw the Channel 2 CBS news last night and there was a segment done with McCarthy that was horrible. The camera's were in the CompStat meeting and McCarthy was berating and chastizing a room ful of CPS commanders and others.
It was truly one of the hardest to watch news reports I have ever seen. I don't know who could work in that type of environment - it was verbally abuse and oppressive. I thought, those CPD people must live on hell working there and that must trickle down to the ranks.
Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
WE ARE USED TO THIS !!!!!!!!!
McCarthy is a complete moron! We are 4000 police officers short and every month 20 more retire. Go back to New York and take Rahm with you! How can someone so stupid be in a position of authority! Only in Chicago!
tell me if I'm wrong but their is a backlog everyday I work in both districts I share the zone with, but Mcdummy thinks we don't need more cops.
To Rosco:
Don't know about your wagon, you could end up with one of the crappy "vagons" that you can't even hear your radio in when it's raining hard. As for cars, there's about 50 at area 1 all lined up. They are ready except for pdt mounts and license plates. According to a source of mine at the area, there's no money to buy the plates. I said take plates off of crashed cars, but supposedly the state won't let them. Stop by and check them out, they are northeast of the garage entrance. Over by some SWAT war wagon thing.
Hey, he's done good here on the north side! We are budgeted for 267 and now have about 189 cops. Way to go Chicago!!!!
To Anonymous post at 05:55 AM:
There have been suggestions on this blog about how to hire more cops, but here are my suggestions, some of which are repeated ideas:
1) Cut the number of aldermen in half, which would eliminate there salary - which one alderman has the salary of 2 new police officers - and eliminate their staffs and slush funds, which would be about the salary for a minimum of 4 officers.
2) Reduce the number of upper management personal known as exempt positions in the police department (I won't even mention the number of top heavy, clout laden employees elsewhere in other city departments). Minimally, this layer of "fat" is paid $144,000 a year, plus other perks. 25 bosses easily could be eliminated and it would not effect operations. Each exempt position cut could pay for minimally 3 new cops.
3) The inspector general can review city contracts and cost overruns on city projects when dealing with the few contractors who seem to get the bulk of city contracts. The financial numbers here are not known, despite the "transperency" and "accountability" that is suppose to be in place. For example a few years back, Millenium Park was suppose to be built for approximately $150 million dollars. Instead, it cost nearly $480 million dollars. And hardly a word was said about that in the media. O'Hare cost overruns are not discussed either. The numbers are showing several hundred million in overruns there. What could legitimate contracts save the city? Who knows, but I bet we could get conservatively speaking about 250 - 300 cops out of this.
4) TIF monies seem to be another sacred cow to the new mayor of Chicago. No one really knows how much is there, or makes sure it is used legally to benefit redevelopment in TIF districts. But the estimate is that there is between $850 million and $1 billion dollars. The wheeling and dealing on this slush fund is so secretive that I don't even think the CIA would be able to crack where these monies go to. What happens with unspent TIF monies - as if there really is "unspent" monies - anyway? How many cops could that pay for minimally were it to be transferred into the general budget? 50, 100, 150, or more new police officers?
Other ideas for tax revenue could be giving significant tax breaks or exemptions for the redevelopment of empty or abandoned parcels.
Lower sales taxes in the city to stimulate purchasing of goods, products and services within the city limits. Already, citizens on the fringe of the city shop in the suburbs. Make it more economical for the city dwellers and suburbanites to buy more in the city, e.g. lower taxes.
Others have made more suggestions that are viable and doable. Maybe the voters can start thinking before they vote, however, I am sure the ones who need to hear that message don't read blogs and stay up on the news. Politicians have to be willing to reform themselves, but without term limits, all they will care about is being professional politicians who need to constantly be re-elected to maintain their life-styles and visions of self-importance.
So, to the Poster, don't say that suggestions have not been made.
Hey Garry - How many Chicago Police Officers were murdered last year? How many police involved shootings are their every month? How many aggravated battery to po, aggravated assaults to po and resisting incidents are their every month? You sir are an idiot! Of course we need more cops, a lot more.
.if we don't need any help then there is no valid reason why comp due should be denied due to manpower.
MORE Cops, LESS Alderman.
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
10/01/2011 05:55:00 AM
triple all taxes on all of the rahmster's hamsters.
23 minutes said". . . 23 minutes to get a backup here at Foster and Harlem on a 'Burglary in Progress' last week . . ."
FUCK YOU Bastard.
How about being CFD medics and being threatened with a gun. Retreat from house to ambo and call for CPD assist. After waiting seven minutes, we just left the scene in service-available.
And seriously, what crime is down 20% McAsshat? Jaywalking, CDMV, DC??? Figures don't lie, but liars do figure!
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
10/01/2011 06:29:00 AM
But you must be a short-timer in Chicago because you are still surprised by the political organization-thug mentality. rmd and tiny dancer 9.5 are the best examples of it here in Chicago and they revere and foster the same quality in others around them, although it is not necessarily a requirement of those they hire. And some thugs, like McJOKE, do not even recognize their own acts of thuggery.
In that same interview, when questioned about how poorly he had just treated his command staff, McJOKE related his treatment was mild because he had not thrown anyone out of the room or demoted anyone or fired anyone. He sure makes for a wonderful leader, one that inspires loyalty and dedication. NOT!
And, even the most educated can be organizational thugs. Some of them can control it or hide it and are covert-thugs, commiting acts of thuggery behind the scenes. They are sneaky, but brutal. Others cannot control it and are overt-thugs. You can see the overt-thugs coming from 10 miles away. While some of the overt-thugs do not even recognize their own organizational acts of brutality, some of them do recognize it and even enjoy it.
Some recent examples of both types directly related to CPD were all educated men and women and include rmd, terry hillard, P-CHUNK cline, J-FLED weis, john townsend, john thomas, john harris, hiram grau, tom byrne, fr. ted o'keefe and barbara macdonald. All were soul-less organizational thugs, some were just able to hide it better than others and some even pretended to be religious.
The likes of td 9.5, McJOKE, dteb, brian murphy, debra kirby, tina skahill and tracey ladner have taken over where the others ended. Singularly, they are each an affliction, but combined, they are a lingering cancerous tumor within CPD.
While they're at it, we don't need no "stinking bahges" either.
Anyone know how that Light Duty Doctor Note Program is going, did they get hundreds of fakers back to full duty?
Not a rumor but fact. People got letters to report for the academy 17 October class. One of them is a relative of a friend of mine and I saw the letter. We need more but at least its a start.
10/01/2011 12:21:00 AM
Lol a start? Who are you kidding? They may put 50 in that class. 45 may actually make it and hit the streets by May 2012. By then 300-350 will probably retire. Not much of a help by my math.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
No shit? I was sure you were a cop..
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
10/01/2011 05:55:00 AM
Easy stop buying $16 million dollar kayak houses, stop the fucking multi-million dollar birdpark, stop the millions adding bike lanes(we grew up just fine without bike lanes), cut the aldermen(zero would do fine in my book since they really don't do anything), stop the flower pots, picket fences, brick roads, and a stupid fucking 33 million dollar bean. Stop raising taxes and putting it in your of your political friends pockets. Stop the overpriced contracts(were the buildings are built for shit and need constant repairs). Use the TIF money, use the revenue generated from use(parkers,movers, inpounds etc) I could go on and on but I guess my free ideas make sense. Keep voting for these criminal fucking political thieves. Thank God I can retire soon if I chose and get the hell away from here.
We're short cars too. Are they going to fix the broken vehicles anytime soon? Or is it more foot patrols? Our regular truck has been down for injectors for months now. They're now sure if they'll fix it. The repair has to be approved they say.
10/01/2011 06:35:00 A
Garry says it's about "broken windows" He never said anything about "broken vehicles" You cops ask way too much lol Now go out and write me some ANOV's , parkers and oh yea a few felony contact cards. That will keep crime down another (wait let me pull some bullshit number out of my ass for the citizens to believe)... Yea crime will be down another 20% this month. LOL
see you softballs keep bringing in those arrests and tickets.
you should be letting chaos erupt.
mccarthy's a clown. trying to do his best bill rawls impression from "the wire".
If they don't fill the openings, who is going to pay into the pension to maintain what the actuaries accouonted for? It is bad enough the city didn't pay its share, but now the predicted amount of po's paying into it is also severely reduced!!!!! If the city doesn't replace those bodies, they should not only fill their deficit into our pension, but also the deficit caused by the missing bodies!!!
McGoof has some emotional and psychological issues..Goofier than J-Fled...
Politics,again. Just what we needed.
These officers that are being hired are part of that mass transit cancellation. All they are doing is the rob peter to pay paul. The federal money given to the CTA to pay for special employment is going to be used to pay for these fifty new hires. The city won't admit it, but it is as plain as the nose on your face. Thats why you dont hear about where the money is coming from.
Get rid of 95% of the Front Desk Cops and put them back on the street.
Only Police working an Admin Position should be those on Temp Light Duty or on the Medical.
House Mouse jobs need to be staffed by ASFME or SEIU not FOP.
After putting the likes of Racoon Eyes and McGruff in power the people will get the police dept. they deserve.
>>>Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
10/01/2011 06:29:00 AM<<<
The CPD has always been one of the worst Industrial Psychologist operations in the world. It will take good working police and turn them into dogs while rewarding do-nothings. Nobody should put up with McCarty's crap, if this were any other business of the same size he would have an EEOC beef.
Stay safe and look at the comments section of the Sun-Times on this story. Looks like McCarthy's days may be numbered, maybe Rahm's too if we can all Register and Vote.
Anonymous said...
I think Rahm and the McSupe will both be looking for new jobs after the G-8/NATO riots.
10/01/2011 12:27:00 AM
Why buy (hire) cops when you can rent every one in the country when you need them. Obama will just have to print some more USC to pay for it.
Question: What about the insurance coverage for the stotes and business concerns downtown?
Maybe they should say we need more police.
1st and the 16th st.!!!!!
Robbery at gun point ...34th normal 10am this morning .
Wait for the bloodbath this week. Temperatures in the 70s with brewing conflicts all over the city. You are going to eat your words mclovin. Stay say everyone.
rahm will hire back old timers from the late 60's , early 70's
g8 protesteors will be beat with canes and walkers .
“I just can’t in good conscious say that we need more ...
I'm not impressed by McCarthy but he probably knows conscious from conscience. The Tribune is below pathetic.
This bozo is NOT out here on the front lines!
It's easy to talk shit while in the rear sitting on your gear!
What happens when beat officers need help and none comes for minutes when the fight is on? That is a long time dickhead!
Da Pelon
so can we now grow a goatee?
The people/companies that repair items or provide parts have finally decided that they will not provide their services and/or products unless they get paid by the city. It's about time that the city pay their bills instead of finding other projects to throw millions of dollars at. I don't see ComEd or Peoples Gas floating me for months at a time. And, the city wants their water and sewer bills paid on time, too.
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
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1) A Forensic Audit of the City's accounts.
2) Decrease the number of Aldermen to 25.
3) Reduce the amount spent on social programs by 30%.
The revenue is there, it's just being spent on garbage program after garbage program.
The idea is to spend the money that others generate to pay to others who do not, because the recipients will vote for the one giving out the free money.
Keep working hard. Keep writing a lot of parkers, movers, tow cars, impound cars, make arrests, and don't forget those contact cards. Oh not to mention curfews. Just keep working hard. Just watch out for yourself and no one else.
SARCASM OFF!
There is no unity in this department and everything we get from Rahm, McCarthy, the city council, etc.... We have no one to blame but ourselves.
We don't need no more police. You guys just right tickets and lock up people for weed. Less police work good fer me
We have too may Detectives too (according to him). Too bad for anyone one the current list. Looks like they will NEVER make another class
10/01/2011 09:09:00 AM
Thought there was a new class of Detectives, 30 Feb 11!! Been waiting nearly 5 years including a leap year.
1) G8 summit involves many people that have the right to assemble.
2)The super is correct that we can not hire people until the economy gets better. Without the help of industrialization like in the last depression we will be hiring more people in 30 years after this depression.
Not being sarcastic just realistic.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Off Topic: Thursday nite, I watch as a CPD wagon DRIVES around RR gates that were being lowered at the crossing at Harlem and Grand. At first I thought they were going to stop the car IN FRONT of them for doing the same. Instead, they turn into the lot to my right, park in the HANDICAPPED spot, and the passenger gets out and walks into Dunkin Donuts. Morons.
This guy is a complete MORON......
Ok so he is bitching @ Comp Stat that he isnt about to leave killers on the streets for 4 or 5 weeks, OK, then start changing the THINKING at the State's Attorney's Office, Start getting witnesses to cooperate, get rid of your stupid 48 hour rule, get rid of the duty judge, that we don't even bring the prisoner down to anymore??? WASNT THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT????
hey asshole, you don't have 1000 detectives, you have about 850, and are down about 650.......
YOU MUST BE THE SMARTEST FUCKING COP THERE EVER WAS??????
Got news for ya, it isnt you or your commanders out there working its the COPS that make up the CPD!!!!!
Hey Garrrrrrrrrrrrrry.
If crime is down where's my useless award ribbon?
009 days
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
No shit? I was sure you were a cop..
10/01/2011 12:58:00 PM
that's because you're not a psychologist.
Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
10/01/2011 06:29:00 Am
If you are talking about the compstat meeting;
That's the price you have to pay for your gold star, so don't think that we feel a bit sorry for you! All the political patronizing in our promotional system is what got us here! This was what Daley and the dummycrats wanted, a bunch of political loyalist steering the ship and trying to influence the masses. This is the same reason why we have 50 alderman aka a political democratic army. You want to get hired or promoted by Chicago, cook county or the state you better volunter your time or donate money to your alderman or some politician. That's how they keep all of these workers voting democrat! I hate this department, city , county and state. I curse my parents for relocating us here from a republican state. I wonder how many gold stars would be willing to take a lie detector test and answer if they ever recieved a meritorious promotion prior to becoming a gold star, if so how many and/ or if they ever had the answers to a promotional exam prior to taking the exam. I bet you now of them made it legit or maybe a few squeezed through the cracks.
For the next several years, the economy isn't going to "turn around," it's going to get worse, and worse still. This is because the incompetent buffoons in Congress keep getting re-elected, and they are ultimately responsible for our economic mess. Congress passed the laws taking tariffs off imported goods, and making it economical for U.S. companies to ship their factories overseas. Only Congress can pass the needed laws to reverse all of this, and bring the jobs back home, but they WON'T.
If McCarthy wants to agree with Rahm that we can somehow get by with less cops, let him say it. But he shouldn't add that more cops will be hired as soon as the economy gets better, because that isn't going to happen any time soon.
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It's a lot worse than that. The Supreme Court in
Citizens Untied v. Federal Election Commission ruled that corporate speech was the same as a person's speech and that corporations could dump as much money into the political process as they like. I don't see us regaining our manufacturing jobs anytime soon.
I agree with our esteemed and well respected super. There are plenty of police and we don't need more. Now can I have my fifth period furlo, boss??
There are 48 cpd officers over in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. I mention this because you know that these 48 are still being counted in McCoconuts' manpower math, even though they are not physically here. They are on the roster because they still have a job when they get back, but they are not here McCoocoo!
This is just one small example of how OFF the count is. And there are many officers on Leave of Absence or Disability, etc. And you know McChicks-r-me is including all these statuses in his false count.
If 007 just got an additional 100 people and crime is down 20% why is it only 6 people can take off per watch? And while we are at it how many robbery arrests have the 007th district mass trans team made? Good thing they don't have to worry about getting denied time due on the weekends since they're already off.
I believe we have enough officers. Get the cowards on the street and we wil be fine. I have 17years on, all in patrol. We have the numbers, let the cowards prove their mettle!
Anonymous said...
1st and the 16th st.!!!!!
10/01/2011 02:38:00 PM
Isn't that an intersection in Maywood?
“So far we're showing we can get the job done with less,”
Really? We could do even better without a CPD Supt. as well.
The problem is that you're not seen as revenue generators and are placed at the bottom here in Chicago.
But hey, how are those political signs you allow to be tapped into lawns working out for ya? tap tap tap
Mr. Shields you seem to be a very smart person, the ballerina is trying to lure you into his game, but you are much to smart. Study the mayor, watch his expressions,his comments, and you will be a person that will command respect.We all know what HE wants, but we are trained observers. Let's use OUR skills!!!!!!. LET'S ROLL!!!!!!
Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
10/01/2011 06:29:00 AM
He's just operating with the same attitude Emanuel exudes. He assessed Rahm's 'style' and copied it. And, so far, it's working for him.
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
Fire the Inside Do Nothings that just suck down a check and don't contribute to "Serve and Protect."
Fire the Clout Hacks and Medical Abusers and "Former Gang Affiliated" idiots.
That should free up about 2500 paychecks a month.
Anonymous said...
I think Rahm and the McSupe will both be looking for new jobs after the G-8/NATO riots.
10/01/2011 12:27:00 AM
Why buy (hire) cops when you can rent every one in the country when you need them. Obama will just have to print some more USC to pay for it.
Question: What about the insurance coverage for the stotes and business concerns downtown?
Maybe they should say we need more police.
10/01/2011 02:30:00 PM
Lots of insurance policies don't cover 'civil unrest', otherwise known as rioting.
And a lot of policies have upcoming renewals before the G8, so the exclusions will be written into the pending policies, as well.
Lots of economic pain coming for everyone in G8's path.
Chicago lost 10% of it's population since 2000.
Anonymous said...
Get rid of 95% of the Front Desk Cops and put them back on the street.
Only Police working an Admin Position should be those on Temp Light Duty or on the Medical.
House Mouse jobs need to be staffed by ASFME or SEIU not FOP.
10/01/2011 02:09:00 PM
Temp light duty? What are you smoking? How many officers are light duty for years? Hopefully the new program will force light duty officers to validate the medical reason for the light duty status.
You have to rembember, the mayor and the supt have absolute immunity and you have none. they know that but you don't. Show up for work (if you are well) drive around for the tour with the blinders on. Don't do shit. Let the city fold. They will eventually be you to work. They need you more than you need them. They just manipulate you to think otherwise. Stop listening to their bullshit. Shut it down. They can't fire you they can only threaten you. But they won't get voted in again if you make it their fault. It is always their fault but political bi-polar will say it is your fault. Stop giving in. Rise up and call it the PD Spring. Its working in the middle east.
To 10/01/2011 12:26:00
Ref: CFD 10-1's
First of all, this is not to start an argument, just stating fact.
The relay time between CFD and CPD dispatch is ridiculously unacceptable. But don't blame the coppers.
My spouse is CFD, so I take their calls seriously. I have gotten to their 10-1's less than a full minute after the call was simulcasted(sp) only to be told "We called 10 minutes ago, we are fine now". My question is why the hell did it take ten minutes? Not my fault. I was 2 blocks away, heading in their direction already and just zipped right to them. WTF?
I know a person shot needs a paramedic, but the paramedic needs us to make sure the coast is clear. We were 2 blocks south and 1 block east of a shooting, traveling northbound. Person shot call comes out, we get there, paramedics are LOADING THE VICTIM IN THE AMBULANCE!!! Someone want to tell me why such a delay to get police on scene? Our dispatch priorities are horse shit.
Just saying. And I don't even blame the dispatchers necessarily, the system sucks!
Too many Detectives? People don't realize that if they report a misdemeanor they are not interviewed by a Detective, but are sent a computer generated form letter directing them to the local branch court to acquire a summons against the offender if they know his identity. Cases without named offenders are almost automatically SUSPENDED. There is no follow up investigation by the Detective Division in such cases. This is also the manner in which many Burglaries are handled if there is no evidence recovered at the scene. A case in which an arrest is made in the geographic area of several similar incidents may result in a multiple clear-up generated administratively even if the suspect is only charged in the case for which he was taken into custody. This is done with an eye toward MOVING THE X. That expression means killing as many cases as possible to generate Progressive Statistics. This may help people understand the almost illogical drop in Crime Statistics. It happened in previous administrations and apparently EVERTHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN?
The following was written by one of Rahm's Office Trolls, not a cop.
"Anonymous said...
Get rid of 95% of the Front Desk Cops and put them back on the street.
Only Police working an Admin Position should be those on Temp Light Duty or on the Medical.
House Mouse jobs need to be staffed by ASFME or SEIU not FOP.
10/01/2011 02:09:00 PM"
This was obviously written not by a cop and not by somebody was ever around a busy station desk and certainly never worked one. ASFME and SEIU are about the only unions, with all their "New American" members that will be supporting Rahm and Pat and Barrack.
What a punk ass motherf@#ker that g-mac is. To actually come out and say that we don't need any more Police Officers when we are down to very low and dangerous level where public safety is considerably compromised as well as the safety of every Police Officer serving the City of Chicago. He is rapidly surpassing the depths that jfled took us to. Crime is down only because there are fewer Police Officers on the streets responding to and reporting the crimes. Crime is also down because nobody is out there doing proactive police work. Police Officers are going from call to call during the whole tour which leaves no time to stop and investigate on view suspicious activity. People need to wake up and realize that this is happening and bring it up to their alderman and the mayor. Do you feel safe??? I carry a gun and don't feel safe anywhere in this city.
Every TAX PAYING citizen of the City of Chicago should go to Radio Shack and buy a $49 scanner and load it with Police Zone frequencies and tune in every day. Make a posting on this site and have the FOP take out a full page add in both papers with the frequencies and what the police jargon means, explaining that by listening they will hear for themselves how short we are. List the codes and let them hear, know and understand what a RAP is and why is it every District in the city has a RAP going for most of the shift. Let them hear supervisors being assigned patrolman jobs instead of doing what they are paid to do, Supervising the troops. Thats the only way to make the public aware of the fact that their tax money is not being spent where it should be spent and the Police Department is woefully under staffed. "CRITICALLY UNDERSTAFFED!!!" FOP should take out a full page add in both the Times and the Tribe advertising this to expose the truth. Guaranteed McCarthy quit's and head's home saying he can't lie anymore for the thieving Daley regime being run by the ANOINTED ONE, Emanuel. It would be damn fucking hard to lie about not being short Police Officers then, would it not? Do it FOP, prove to us you really care AND THAT WE HAVE SOME BALLS THIS TIME AROUND. What the hell, all the gang banging thugs in the city listen to scanners and they know whats up, what's wrong with educating those that pay what's left of our BS paychecks. Makes perfect sense to me!!! The citizens deserve to know and we can get them on our side by making them aware that they ARE NOT SAFE........AND NEITHER ARE WE!!!
THE "TAX PAYING VOTING CITIZENS" WILL THEN DEMAND ACTION
Anonymous said...
Get rid of 95% of the Front Desk Cops and put them back on the street.
Only Police working an Admin Position should be those on Temp Light Duty or on the Medical.
House Mouse jobs need to be staffed by ASFME or SEIU not FOP.
10/01/2011 02:09:00 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Right!
Some more "trustworthy" "Honest" and "Hard working" civilans!
Anonymous said...
>>>Someone should give that McCarthy some training on how to motivate workers, it sure isn't by berating and abusing them. It was such a disturbing segment and a rare glimpse into the dysfunctionalism of that system.
I'm not a cop, but a psychologist.
10/01/2011 06:29:00 AM<<<
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We have too many psychos and bullies in management all over the city. They tend to promote clones of themselves ensuring more ill treatment of the workforce.
Add to this volatile mix our new mayor, a known political enforcer and thug. Idiots in this city elected him on the first ballot knowing what he was: sending dead fish to political enemies, stabbing a steak representing political opponents, confronting a congressman in the shower, and his legendary crudeness and vulgarity. Since taking office he has bullied two women who dared to question him. His wife must be living under Taliban rules since she's never seen or heard from in public.
I'm motivated to get out of here as soon as its economically feasible.
Our pensions, our family's futures, our safety. all are being greatly affected my this manpower shortage. The supt needs to stop bullshiting everybody, tell the truth and make it happen. Hire the couple thousand officers we're short.
Anonymous said...
We have too may Detectives too (according to him). Too bad for anyone one the current list. Looks like they will NEVER make another class
10/01/2011 09:09:00 AM
This is true...
Reduction of D-Unit coming! Those left without a seat at the table will be returned to patrol. He could gut the D-Unit and say he put 500 more bodies on the street. This department is so fucked up.
Wake up America! The war is coming and you'll be left fending for yourself.
YADA YADA YADA. Yeah they are not going to bite thier nose off. It dosnt help there PR.
"Anonymous said...
1) G8 summit involves many people that have the right to assemble.
2)The super is correct that we can not hire people until the economy gets better. Without the help of industrialization like in the last depression we will be hiring more people in 30 years after this depression.
Not being sarcastic just realistic.
Thank you and have a nice day.
10/01/2011 05:20:00 PM"
Another non-cop troll no doubt
Just being realistic,
about the last Great Depression...
1) BHO is no FDR
2) It took WWII to really get us out of it.
Instead of building boathouses and flowerpots built by contractors and labor from outside the city, hire 1,000 new police who will be city residents and let the money turn over here in homes and purchases.
Correcting 10:22 PM
Five most populous cities in the nation with gain/loss of population since the 2000 census in parentheses:
1. New York City..8,175,133 (+2.1%)
2. Los Angeles....3,792,621 (+2.6%)
3. CHICAGO........2,695,598 (-6.9%)
4. Houston........2.099,451 (+7.5%)
5. Philadelphia...1,526,006 (+0.6%)
With the exception of Chicago's 6.9% decrease in population, the four other top cities gained population as indicated.
another police involved shooting last night, this time in the 3rd district. but Mcdoesnthaveaclue says we have enough police and dont need anymore.
Not a rumor but fact. People got letters to report for the academy 17 October class. One of them is a relative of a friend of mine and I saw the letter. We need more but at least its a start.
Wait...these ARE the CTA paid hires to REPLACE special employment! 50 recruits hit the street and 50 spots will open in Public Transportation. NO increase on the street.
This is done with an eye toward MOVING THE X. That expression means killing as many cases as possible to generate Progressive Statistics.
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Actually, "moving the X" has nothing to do with what you say. On the old supplementary report that detectives created there were several boxes (Unfounded, Cleared Closed by Arrest, Suspended, etc.)that indicated the resolution of the case when marked by an X. When the X was put in one of the cleared or unfounded boxes the case was moved from open to a successful conclusion. Hence, the X was moved. It did not refer to multiple clearances.
What you described is the Exceptionally Cleared and Closed multiple report in which numerous cases are cleared on an arrestee who is never charged with the offenses (mainly because it can't be proven that he did them)despite a lack of evidence. These multiples were done with abandon in the 60's and the 70's until finally being exposed in the early 80's as bald face lies. They have recently enjoyed a revival in the Detective Division due to the lack of supervisory intellengence that starts in the office of the Chief and grows as it oozes down to the areas.
There are no stats that the CPD supplies that should be taken on face value. In fact any information eminating from the Fib Factory on 35th Street should be viewed askance.
Chicago lost 10% of it's population since 2000.
10/01/2011 10:22:00 PM
Don't be naive. Chicago lost ten percent of its DOCUMENTED population.
This 'sanctuary city' draws more illegal immigrants daily.
It would be great to hire additional officers but the question that no one ever answers at this site is "HOW THE HELL IS THE CITY GOING TO FIND THE REVENUE TO PAY THEM"???
Fire the Inside Do Nothings that just suck down a check and don't contribute to "Serve and Protect."
Fire the Clout Hacks and Medical Abusers and "Former Gang Affiliated" idiots.
That should free up about 2500 paychecks a month.
10/01/2011 09:28:00 PM
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In your dreams. Let's just pick a number out of thin air and see if it sticks when we throw it against the wall.
Let's remember, too, that every body on the payroll contributes toward YOUR pension. No contributors, no pension.
We have too may Detectives too (according to him). Too bad for anyone one the current list. Looks like they will NEVER make another class
10/01/2011 09:09:00 AM
Thought there was a new class of Detectives, 30 Feb 11!! Been waiting nearly 5 years including a leap year.
10/01/2011 05:02:00 PM
Don't worry!!!! You are number one on the list the day they make a class on Feb. 30th, brainsurgeon.
I believe we have enough officers. Get the cowards on the street and we wil be fine. I have 17years on, all in patrol. We have the numbers, let the cowards prove their mettle!
10/01/2011 08:35:00 PM
What is this, Beowulf? We 'prove our mettle' every day when we strap on the gunbelt and take the wheel of a blue and white.
And, wherever you work, I'm glad it's a nice, slow, undemanding spot. In the rest of the city, though, we're dangerously undermanned.
@ 10/01/2011 09:10:00 AM
"The city bit themselves in the ass by giving us a five year contract"
FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT!
Crime King shorty wanted (and got) the 5yr contracts of 2007 to 2012 and (tentatively)2012 to 2017 because he was so sure Chicago was going to get the 2016 Olympics.
The old 4yr contracts would have put him in the position of trying to piss on a disgruntled Police Department one year before the 2016Olympic money machine was going to kick into overdrive for everyone else BUT The Police.
This is probably why Daley Inc. and Rahm & Co. are so pissed at coppers...
They blame the march at City Hall for "costing" them the opportunity to have the U.S. Treasury just move the presses to City Hall and start the run of 2016 series $100,000 dollar Gold Certificates because the usual thieving assholes will be walking around with uncut sheets in oversized architect portfolios...
The theft, misappropriation, skulduggery and just plain hang-dog fuckery would have been eye watering even by the lofty standards set by the stuttering prick.
With that said...
9.5 has a calender... Why would he go along with these events (G8/NATO) during prime contract time?
He must REALLY be counting on mutual aid like a mofo or he has an end game in mind because we can't imagine him settling up and doing right by Coppers as he loves picking a fight with people he thinks won't fight back.
Interesting times ahead...
Chicago lost 10% of its population. Claiming that there are illegals here does not matter. Look at the officer per 100.000 in Houston and LA. I am sure they have at least as many illegals proportionately as the fine city of Chicago. The problems is the inept leadership. It is all politics.
Chicago lost 10% of its population. Claiming that there are illegals here does not matter. Look at the officer per 100.000 in Houston and LA. I am sure they have at least as many illegals proportionately as the fine city of Chicago. The problems is the inept leadership. It is all politics.
10/02/2011 10:18:00 PM
Can't compare LA at all; their organization is way different from ours.
And you sure CAN blame illegals. California's illegal population has been constant or even declining, because the economy has tanked and it's not so desirable to go there.
Chicago, however, has seen a HUGE INCREASE in illegals, due to Daley's currying of the potential vote with. The financial sinkhole known as 'sanctuary city' is going to destroy us. The illegal population is increasing daily; it's not static. Just because they didn't send in their census forms doesn't mean they don't require more police and more policing.
Reduction of D-Unit coming!
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Is there any evidence that for the vast majority of crimes that having detectives work on them serves any real purpose?
maybe it would be better to let most of the lesser crimes be dealt with by patrol, including what is being done by detectives now.
let the detectives worry about the more serious stuff and the stuff that is dubious.
in any case, it is a political decision, and best left there. what is going on now is not working all that well so maybe trying something different will work better. it probably cannot work much worse.
Quit coding jobs write paper make a arrest. 20 yrs on.
The only reason crime is down is because there's fewer cops on the street to bust people. It's that simple...
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