Useless Study
A trial program to analyze and hopefully reduce youth shootings in two of the city’s most violent neighborhoods was endorsed today by a City Council committee.
The Chicago Youth Shooting Review would look at all shootings, fatal or otherwise, involving people under 21 in the 11th District on the city’s West Side and the 4th District on the Southeast Side, said Commissioner Evelyn Diaz, who runs the city’s Family and Support Services Department.
The effort “could make our neighborhoods safer and improve the quality of life for all Chicagoans, especially for Chicago’s school-age young people,” Diaz said.
How about crippling poverty, combined with a broken family structure, nurtured by a thriving drug trade and abetted by a complete lack of personal responsibility to anything resembling a civil society = rampant crime.
How many millions did we just save? Give us 10% and we'll call it even.
How many millions did we just save? Give us 10% and we'll call it even.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
35 Comments:
do like aroura and charge $50 each time u lock someone up....
You don't need a study, you need;
1. Better parents (Fathers actually involved with their kids)
2. Better parenting
3.Stiffer penalties for wrong doing
4.. Kill incentives that incite unwed single mothers to have multiple children with multiple families no extra govt money for extra kids.
5. Mandatory birth control shots for unwed women under 19 ( aka all of them)
Yup , how doyou protect children from themselves?
Seriously, what is there left to analyze? Hasn't enough money been thrown at the crystal ball unit already to analyze things? When does the analysis stop and the action start?
Analysis -- Paralysis
They have the answers. They know the answers. They don't like the answers and want different answers -- but the results keep coming up the same.
How stupid are these people?
The problem is it's a new urban american inner city "culture" to identify with the thug life because they don't know anything else. Keep wasting time and services for nothing and get nothing! When individuals get things for free they feel they are entitled to every thing and take what they can because they are the "victim" of a poor urban society that doesn't afford them any opportunities!
Have a couple of these university study people sit in Mt. Sinai Hospital E.R. on weekend nights and interview the victims.
Make that TRY to interview the victims. The people who come into the E.R. with GSWs (gun shot wounds) are gang members, drug dealers and have criminal histories from a whole thug "family". It is tragic, rare but still tragic when we get a truly innocent victim. Usually it is a gangbanger who will not tell us anything, or will lie to us. Often the victim is the loser in the gunfight over dope territory.
Maybe these people will interview police officers to see what is going wrong and what can be improved to prevent violence. The conclusion is likely to be: HIRE MORE POLICE. Not likely to happen since the study is being funded by the Chicago City Council it has to backup the almighty Rahm.
But, we will say it anyway.
To: Ms. Evelyn Diaz,
One of the great reasons for the violence on the streets of Chicago is attrition of police manpower over the years and failure to hire replacements.
Stay safe, and if they ask your opinion let them have it, at this point what can they do to us.
Let's do a study, at taxpayer expense of course, and then we'll have a march and make the politicians come out and march with us.
Because that's what we do.
Speaking of useless studies, did you see the one that links liquor stores to inner city violence? You mean sitting on your stoop, swilling 40's of Old E might make you prone to violence? Whodathunk it?
And as an addendum to that comment about useless studies, apparently a "new and improved" racial profiling bubble sheet is coming out at the new year. Eventually they will prove we are all racists, just let them keep tweaking the questions till they get it right. Thats one survey that just needs to die!
Got to keep the Emmanuel Crime Family running at full speed. Reelection is only three years away. Providing jobs and flow of tax dollars makes sure there will be an army of clouted workers lined up to work for your campaign. For a city so broke this mutt keeps finding ways to spend even more money. Go figure.
How about keeping really bad people in jail for a substantial amount of time? How about making them accountable for their actions?
5% of the ghetto is responsible for it being a ghetto. Keep them in jail and bring back the death penalty. Now you can cut the Department down to the size you want and we can still be safe.
The ghetto and the scum we allow to flourish are costing us too much money. They need to get some 'skin in the game' too.
UNiversity of Chicago involved again. What is their fee?
Affiliated eggheads are the cause of expanded government programs that continue to subsidize the riff raff deadbeats that patronize the corner WIC/liquor stores .
Liberals will need more funding for another study to figure out why the arab stores sell booze, single cigarettes and lotto tickets and nobody ever sees a truck delivering essential food items, maintains a steady business, and faheed drives home in a Bentley.
BTW, what ever happened to the jpud Moral Survey from UIC, are they still funding that?
What do you mean I have insufficient funds? I still have more checks.
One of the great reasons for the violence on the streets of Chicago is attrition of police manpower over the years and failure to hire replacements.
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realistically, you could hire another 500 or 5000 more cops and put them on the streets tomorrow and it would do little good unless the societal problems are addressed.
I agree the solutions that have been tried have rarely done any good and usually been counterproductive, but that does not mean that you can attack this problem successfully from the criminal justice side.
Police are not much different than garbage collectors. They pickup the mess after the fact. The more mess you have the more garbage collectors you need to clean up the mess. But, the better answer is to reduce the mess in the first place, and no amount of policing will do that.
Better policing is a part of the solution but by itself will not solve anything. And really, do any of us want to live in a society where there are enough police that good behavior can be enforced?
It's going to come to the conclusion that even more money needs to be extorted by " Ceasefire", we are all terrible racists and its not THEIR fault.
do like aroura and charge $50 each time u lock someone up....
9/29/2011 12:34:00 AM
Class-action suit waiting to happen.
Off topic what happened to good old fashioned Police work? Tactical officers filling. District lock-up with arrests that can be ANOV's I.e. Riding bike on sidewalk or drinking on public way only to obtain CB number. When ther are other crimes that merit a closer and extensive investigation.And these young guns feel great and think they have accomplished there job. WTF.
OT - Chicago Bears NFL HOFer Dan Hampton Snubs Obama, White House
Hampton gave three reasons for not attending:
1. Wives and children of the players weren't invited.
2. He says he's "not a fan of the guy in the White House."
3. "It was 25 years ago. Let it go."
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_
corner/post/Bears-Hall-of-Famer-Hampton-refuses-White-House-?urn=nfl-wp8216
I have a trial program!
It's called cutting the number of aldermen down from 50 to 25.
We've found that other major cities such as NYC is doing just fine with this level of representation.
Therefore I recommend we start immediately because time is money after all.
WRT: "do like aroura and charge $50 each time u lock someone up...."
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There's an idea..or how about we start docking the aldermens pay for failure to provide services they've been contracted for.
Dock their paychecks for each shooting and every auto theft. Not just within their wards but since we are all in this together and work as a team make it citywide across all wards.
I suggest we start at $10,000 a pop!
***POP***POP***POP
Three people get shot you pull thirty grand from each and every aldermens check!
PEOPLE OF CHICAGO - WE ARE PAYING FOR A SERVICE THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING!
do like florida, kentucky, and missouri...make them take drug tests to get their link money, and tie their kids education into it too...if we're feeding them breakfast and lunch at school it should be deducted from mamas link fund....
GO study what happens when your highly educated investment bankers bust out the global economy with fraud and not a single one gets locked up or even charged!
Study what happens when you make a mockery of the laws -- passing immigration laws and then ignoring them even demonizing them so that the politicians can play favorites with who the law applies to and who it doesn't -- like they do with the tax system.
Study that.
Study how Illinois waste money writing back-seat seat belt laws one week and then the next week the state police get a directive that says they don't really have to enforce that law.
Or study how the Fed's want the States to hold illegal immigrants with criminal histories for deportation and the State of Illinois tells the Fed's they are not going to do it!
Yeah study that and see what kind of message you send about having to follow the laws..
Broken Windows methodology my azz. What you talking about is mythology.
I think we are all about to see exactly what happens soon. That's not a threat just an observation that's all.
between keeping the progeny in school longer and having a curfew,they believe crime will dwindle. that means ma & pa can stay longer at the track or casino. there is only so many hours in a day. that leaves the weekend to vent all their frustration. and they wonder why this country is on its way to the dumpster.
i have worked for the city over two decades.i have tried to help these people with every program know to man .i have worked with the grand mothers ,the mothers and some of there fathers that came from prision you want the truth ill tell you .this generation x thats out her now days are unworkable. and un helpable .all they want is some free money from a goverment program ,some dope ,and some of them another baby .no program in this world can help them.sad to say because most of them dont want to change .im a black person writing this about my people .now there you got the real truth about that west side situation
More professional cops will catch more professional crooks and killers.
More new cops will catch more new criminals.
More older veteran cops will help both.
Give half the judges and prosecutors the rest of the year off ( and YOU know with half) and incarcerated the other half.
Have all the unemployed build jails and stop boats from China until they find their jobs again. Plus we don't need too many jails? We need some boats and buses to take them back.
AMERICANS WITHOUT CRIMINAL RECORDS IN THIS LINE.
ALL THE REST WAIT OUTSIDE!
More committes to waste more money and screw taxpayers. What phoney pieces of sht will be appointing panel members and what pieces of crap will be appointed?
Chicago Youth Shooting Review - lol
sounds like it should be the name of some magazine that covers the shooting sports. actually it might be if this wasn't the most insane place in the country
Marksmanship is a sport that is enjoyed by all ages in most states. it's even an Olympic event
Here is a news flash-only 3 police agencies out of the 174 in Illinois that applied for the COPS Federal Grant funds received approval. And CPD did not get selected!
Rockford got funding for 10, Cicero got 4, and University of Il PD got 3. That's your Federal Tax dollars at work....no help on the horizon from your President and Democrats in control......
All nonsense-- just listen to the calls in ghetto in september. " Grandmother cannot get her grandchild to go to school" -- address given.
How does anyone correct that? By the way-- Grandma is 33.
Anonymous said...
do like aroura and charge $50 each time u lock someone up....
9/29/2011 12:34:00 AM
Class-action suit waiting to happen.
9/29/2011 12:50:00 PM
Hold on there!
They are charging people for ambulance service, right?
Why not charge them for police service? You get arrested, you reimburse the city for the officers time.
Works for me!
Here is my trial program: retire, get the fuck out of Chicago, don't look back, stop reading Chicago newspapers, never ever return. Sounds good for me.
"To: Ms. Evelyn Diaz,
One of the great reasons for the violence on the streets of Chicago is attrition of police manpower over the years and failure to hire replacements."
I think part of the reason for all of the violence is lack of adequate police manpower, but as others have said it is the lack of parenting that is causing all of these problems. Most "normal" law abiding citizens cannot imagine what it would be like growing up with no responsible parent in the house teaching them right from wrong. Imagine your mom was a useless ghetto leech who was getting high every day, being with different men, and doing nothing but keeping you around for the extra welfare cash. You basically have to raise yourself, so your extended family becomes the neighborhood thugs, who are all from the same type of household. Nothing will change until the baby daddy's decide to man up and become fathers and husbands. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening as long as the government is handing out free money.
Here is a study by judge Judy
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15915
If we can't change the CULTURE that produces the criminals and addicts we deal with then all is lost. Our corrupt self serving government just wants to throw money at all these problems. But wait...Not ALL the money. First our corrupt politicians will take their share. We are doomed and we don't know it yet. How sad.
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